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The Best Show on WFMU => Mike And His Ilk. => Topic started by: B_Buster on November 30, 2009, 05:31:50 PM
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The new season kicks off tonight. Intervention features a crazy pill popper and a foot chase after the intervention (always a good sign) while Hoarders features a bunch of formerly "missing" flattened dead pet cats. Good stuff!
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You can stack the cats better when they're flattened.
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Hoaders have become so mainstream that the Today Show did a story on a woman who had so much stuff she didn't know if opossums lived in her house.
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There were some good British hoarders on the How Clean Is Your House that I've seen on BBC America.
Also, have you seen this:
http://www.vimeo.com/603058
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Mike, I didn't tune in this week. Was it worth it? Should I watch online? Last season of Intervention just didn't *grab* me the way the classics do... I look to you for guidance.
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Last night's episode was worth seeing, Erika. It featured a former Hollywood extra with Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome (a rare disease that causes joint dislocation) who got hooked on fentanyl "lollipops" (I love how Intervention keeps finding people hooked on stuff you've never heard of before). The fentanyl had made her completely insane and paranoid. Also, when her hips went out of whack, she would get down on the ground, no matter where she was (in one scene she's on a neighbor's lawn), and spread her legs as far as she could (very peculiar behavior!). There was also a long-suffering brother (the hero of the show), a deluded Mom, screaming, and a foot chase through a parking lot! What else could you ask for?!
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Jesus! I can't wait. I may have to watch during my lunch break! Fentanyl lolipops!
Is Van Vonderen back this season for good??
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I don't know, Erika. I just assume it's one day at a time for all of them.
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The only part of that show that didn't make me want to gargle salt water was when her brother, who had been waiting on her hand and foot for eight years and was walking the razor's edge himself, was the one to tackle her in the parking lot.
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Hoarders is a cheap replacement for Obsessed. I'm just sayin.
Also, I once had a hoarding room. You could walk in it, but it was pretty fucking bad. I also had a stack of magazines that took up an entire dining room table. The shame these people feel is real. It's like you can't stop piling the stuff on, but the piles give you anxiety (I used to have nightmares about my own stuff) and you are too embarrassed to have anyone come and help you clean it up. I eventually just threw everything away.
My husband keeps me clean now.
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The only part of that show that didn't make me want to gargle salt water was when her brother, who had been waiting on her hand and foot for eight years and was walking the razor's edge himself, was the one to tackle her in the parking lot.
Excuse me, I quoted too soon, I missed the part where the dad read his letter. That was by far the best intervention letter!
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Last night, I watched Hoarders for the first and, most likely, last time. The entire episode was disturbing, but when they discovered the first flattened cat, I had to change the channel.
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The entire episode was disturbing, but when they discovered the first flattened cat, I had to change the channel.
Wow. I have never read a better reason to watch Hoarders. Thanks for the recommendation, nec.
one man's poison is another man's dessert.
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The entire episode was disturbing, but when they discovered the first flattened cat, I had to change the channel.
Wow. I have never read a better reason to watch Hoarders. Thanks for the recommendation, nec.
one man's poison is another man's dessert.
Glad to help.
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The ones where the character is so obviously deranged are the tough ones. However, she was also milking the insanity. My nonexistent medical degree allowed me to make this diagnosis.
Plus that's the longest consecutive bleeping in the history of Intervention. Also, the screaming.
I like when the older brother was yelling at her. I would have yelled at her nonstop every day. That would be how I would intervene.
I guess it's really hard to look at your kid and say, "My daughter is an absolutely batshit insane, extremely manipulative drug addict." Much easier to pretend that the stereo speakers sometimes cause her joints to dislocate.
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Yeah, I have known at least 2 hoarders who were not obviously deranged, or who at least held down jobs and wouldn't seem deranged if you had only a superficial relationship w/ them (going to their homes was something of a shock).
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I watched Hoarders for the first time today. My naive, rainbow-colored belief that hoarders are tidy (even when their houses are filthy, as perforce they must be) was shattered.
I liked the skunk in the garage full of dead cats.
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My post was referring to last week's Intervention, I should have made that more clear.
Sometimes I really hate those people.
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Addicts are hard to love. They are so dishonest, untrustworthy, and manipulative, they can almost seem a different species.
Hoarders strike me as assholes, too (I just watched a second episode; I'm creepily fascinated).
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I see hoarders as more pathetic than a-holes, unless they are stealing stuff from family and friends to put on top of their hoard piles.
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I see hoarders as more pathetic than a-holes, unless they are stealing stuff from family and friends to put on top of their hoard piles.
How is it that we have all these landfills and all these hoarders and we can't let one problem take care of the other?
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Yes, they are pathetic. Pathetic assholes. (I see glimmers of hoarderdom in myself, so I'm allowed to be this harsh.)
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How is it that we have all these landfills and all these hoarders and we can't let one problem take care of the other?
Americans create more waste than all the hoarders and landfills together can hold.
We need an economy based on something other than growth.
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Decay?
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I think our economy should be based on assholes.
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I think our economy should be based on assholes.
How many assholes for that pack of smokes?
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None, asshole. These smokes are MINE.
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I'm not too keen on this new economy.
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How is it that we have all these landfills and all these hoarders and we can't let one problem take care of the other?
Americans create more waste than all the hoarders and landfills together can hold.
We need an economy based on something other than growth.
Yes. A real waste-based economy. Garbage could become our new currency.
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Hoarders is on right now and it's on my TV. The scariest thing about that is that I know Mike and I are watching the same thing right now.
They're talking about the woman's legs not being amputated, which is... good?
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Hooray! Intervention visits the South.
Best moment in the intro: "Now he's like Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs crazy.
ADDENDUM: Oh, hell. Knightdale. Knightdale is 45 minutes away.
Oh, hell again. He's falling for 413 scams.
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(http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2007/10/08-15/nick-nolte.jpg)
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I'm with you on that, buffcoat. I also like when Intervention heads to the South (Brittany, the Dilaudid addict, was also from the South). Great family dynamics down there. Greg, the morphine addict/internet sucker, was like Big Daddy from Cat on a Hot Tin Roof if Big Daddy ate morphine all day and fell prey to internet scam artists.
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I just hate that they don't seem to get the hoarders enough therapy. Two days is kind of a ridiculous time frame for emptying out the houses, really.
Also, not a fan of the four-foot pile of dirty adult diapers.
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Nick Nolte looks like he's had a lot of work done, but he looks net better. I can't tell you how shocking that is for me.
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Hoarders has inspired me. Today, I went through my two-drawer filing cabinet and ruthlessly disposed of many of the papers there. In days to come, I hope to tackle the crap that's hanging around upstairs (mainly, boxes and boxes of books I no longer feel attached to). My dream is to be able to fit my personal life into a small box labeled "Please burn upon my death."
Anyone know where one can recycle old videotapes?
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Hoarders has inspired me. Today, I went through my two-drawer filing cabinet and ruthlessly disposed of many of the papers there. In days to come, I hope to tackle the crap that's hanging around upstairs (mainly, boxes and boxes of books I no longer feel attached to). My dream is to be able to fit my personal life into a small box labeled "Please burn upon my death."
Anyone know where one can recycle old videotapes?
If they work I'll take 'em.
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The shipping costs are a little daunting. I've got several hundred.
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Although it might be worth it, to get rid of them.
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One thing I gotta say about this show is that it's amazing motivation for cleaning the house.
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Maybe I'll go through the 37 gallon bag of "things" I took out of my car when I had to clean out the trunk last year... Now that I live with a neat guy I hide my hoarding/messes in bags and boxes around the house. It's pretty much under control but still feels silly to have a bag with various things in it that haven't been touched for a year. I think there's even an old cable box in there. Why? I have no fucking idea.
(Sarah, check this site out: http://www.greendisk.com/)
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Thanks, erika. I think I found that site before but then had hopes of finding something local. I may end up going that route--although if I'm going to spend that kind of money, I might as well send everything down to New Port Richey.
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Greg, the morphine addict/internet sucker, was like Big Daddy from Cat on a Hot Tin Roof if Big Daddy ate morphine all day and fell prey to internet scam artists.
I was sorta hoping the story would come full circle and Greg would become an internet scam artist of his own.
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I'm taking a seminar on the representation of addiction in America next semester and "Intervention" is on the syllabus. Is Mike guest lecturing that week?
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I'm with you on that, buffcoat. I also like when Intervention heads to the South (Brittany, the Dilaudid addict, was also from the South). Great family dynamics down there.
It was a true horrific moment in my life when I was watching this episode, and saw that the family was driving directly past the exit to my house on the way to get Brittany from downtown Birmingham. Not to mention the cheap motels right up the road where she would go to...perform.
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Article in NYT Magazine about Hoarders this weekend.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/20/magazine/20FOB-consumed-t.html?_r=1&sq=hoarders&st=cse&adxnnl=1&scp=1&adxnnlx=1261416798-w/4h30lggSTVOOu/OSjx4A (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/20/magazine/20FOB-consumed-t.html?_r=1&sq=hoarders&st=cse&adxnnl=1&scp=1&adxnnlx=1261416798-w/4h30lggSTVOOu/OSjx4A)
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I'm not surprised at all that Hoarders drew a higher rating than Mad Men. It's a better show. Boing!
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On tonight's show, Rob is so high he doesn't realize he wrote a Vaselines song.
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Hahaha, I saw that. I got a big kick out of that. Btw, Rob was a melodramatic dick.
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Hoarders is a little annoying. Why don't they give these people a week to clean out and some more extensive therapy? It's like Intervention meets Obsessed with this weird touch of Extreme Home Makeover. Except with Intervention and Obsessed, they at least get some level of extended therapy to fix their crazy brains.
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You're right, Erika. The time constriction on Hoarders is annoying. That's why I suggested to Tom that Hoarders be converted into a game show. Each week someone, preferably a family member, is zipped up into a Hazmat suit and buried beneath the piles of a hoarder. The first person to unearth the buried person wins a thousand dollars.
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You're right, Erika. The time constriction on Hoarders is annoying. That's why I suggested to Tom that Hoarders be converted into a game show. Each week someone, preferably a family member, is zipped up into a Hazmat suit and buried beneath the piles of a hoarder. The first person to unearth the buried person wins a thousand dollars.
I'd play if I could use one of those garbage spikes like the park maintenance people use.
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You're right, Erika. The time constriction on Hoarders is annoying. That's why I suggested to Tom that Hoarders be converted into a game show. Each week someone, preferably a family member, is zipped up into a Hazmat suit and buried beneath the piles of a hoarder. The first person to unearth the buried person wins a thousand dollars.
That is an especially great idea as the prize could be not money but rather all of the losers' stuff.
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You're right, Erika. The time constriction on Hoarders is annoying. That's why I suggested to Tom that Hoarders be converted into a game show. Each week someone, preferably a family member, is zipped up into a Hazmat suit and buried beneath the piles of a hoarder. The first person to unearth the buried person wins a thousand dollars.
Most of the hoarders would rather keep their junk than save a family member. That's how mentally ill they are.
I was surprised by the bed bug family last night. It really seemed the guy was more lazy about cleaning than anything else. He didn't put up much of a fight.
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Tonight's Intervention features one of the worst families I've ever seen.
"Go ahead and kill yourself."
"You deserved to be raped."
Tough times.
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Yeah, but that Amy was really annoying.
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I have to agree with Sarah here, buffcoat. I think Amy's family had been pushed to their limits and said some regretable things in anger. It happens. I didn't get a sense that they were hateful people.
Last night's episodes of Intervention and Hoarders were very distressing. The fallout from child abuse is always hard to watch.
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The fallout from child abuse is always hard to watch.
What is the percentage of young women with eating disorders or addictions on the show who weren't either sexually abused or raped? Very, very low. The "and/or" is absentee or shockingly unemotional fathers.
These monsters have no idea the damage they do, not only to their victims but to the victims' families and the people they later have relationships with, as well.
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I have to agree with Sarah here, buffcoat. I think Amy's family had been pushed to their limits and said some regretable things in anger. It happens. I didn't get a sense that they were hateful people.
Yeah, I posted that having only seen the first half. I still felt like the family were a bunch of weirdos, and stunted emotionally, but they gathered round her at the end and did the right thing.
She looked and sounded so much different with 12 more pounds on her and without a fifth of blueberry vodka in her that she hardly seemed like the same person.
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What happened to Obsessed? That was the best one.
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. . . I suggested to Tom that Hoarders be converted into a game show. Each week someone, preferably a family member, is zipped up into a Hazmat suit and buried beneath the piles of a hoarder. The first person to unearth the buried person wins a thousand dollars.
For a kid's show angle, you might consider Tom's suggestion for you to pose as a garbage monster that scares the hoarding grandma with the second house out of hoarding. My kids thought that was the funniest thing ever.
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Last night's Intervention wasn't particularly unique except for the appearance of a side character, Freddy, the proprietor of a handjob emporium. I'm hoping A & E doesn't look that gift horse in the mouth and gets to work on a spinoff show, pronto.
Last night's Hoarders featured an 11-year-old named Sam who gets my vote for the Saddest Kid Alive.
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Last night's Intervention wasn't particularly unique except for the appearance of a side character, Freddy, the proprietor of a handjob emporium. I'm hoping A & E doesn't look that gift horse in the mouth and gets to work on a spinoff show, pronto.
Last night's Hoarders featured an 11-year-old named Sam who gets my vote for the Saddest Kid Alive.
I kept waiting for a too-literal shot of the dad standing in a closet.
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Yes. That was the unacknowledged white elephant in the room.
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Last night's Intervention wasn't particularly unique except for the appearance of a side character, Freddy, the proprietor of a handjob emporium. I'm hoping A & E doesn't look that gift horse in the mouth and gets to work on a spinoff show, pronto.
Only if it's sponsored by Jergens.
Last night was actually my first time watching Intervention. I noticed the girl looked a lot like an older Marilyn Chambers.
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Very astute of you, Chris. Does this make you a MILF-Man?
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Very astute of you, Chris. Does this make you a MILF-Man?
I refuse to watch this show until there is an episode about people hoarding electric football games.
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Very astute of you, Chris. Does this make you a MILF-Man?
I refuse to watch this show until there is an episode about people hoarding electric football games.
Do you mean the old handheld games where you were a light avoiding other lights, or the games with the metal field that vibrated, causing the players to move around at random (how did one ever 'win' that?)?
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Very astute of you, Chris. Does this make you a MILF-Man?
I refuse to watch this show until there is an episode about people hoarding electric football games.
Do you mean the old handheld games where you were a light avoiding other lights, or the games with the metal field that vibrated, causing the players to move around at random (how did one ever 'win' that?)?
Metal baby Metal>
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I refuse to watch this show until there is an episode about people hoarding electric football games.
One of last night's hoarders couldn't remember where all his firearms were, so there was the extra danger that someone might accidentally get shot! Now that's what I call suspense!
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Very astute of you, Chris. Does this make you a MILF-Man?
Nah, just a guy familiar with the later work of the late Ms. Chambers via Skinemax back in the day. I can't say I'm proud.
I do feel bad for Freddy, though. He sent her a bear and STILL got the axe.
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Correction: He sent her a bear and some other "shit."
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True. Plus he did just basically cram it into the box. Not the proper way to present a bear.
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Freddy had a great voice... for a serial killer.
Seriously, though, Check in his crawlspace.
The oldest sister was good looking.
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Freddy had a great voice... for a serial killer.
Seriously, though, Check in his crawlspace.
It was the strangest discussion of a rape that I've ever seen - just "When I was 14, I took 8 hits of acid and I got raped." Then the whole family seemed to think she was lying or wouldn't have any idea if she had been. Then they went to the hospital. And there was no more information about it.
The thing is, the description for the episode was that she started being an addict after she got raped, while the episode indicated that it might have gotten worse then but that she was already on the way to addiction.
Come on, TV. You can't leave these types of question unanswered. However wrong and simplistic you might be.
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The oldest sister was good looking.
Yeah, I thought she looked nice in her clamdiggers during the intervention.
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The oldest sister was good looking.
Creepcoat?
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The oldest sister was good looking.
Creepcoat?
Playa hater?
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The oldest sister was good looking.
Creepcoat?
I can't say someone is "good looking"?
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The oldest sister was good looking.
Yeah, I thought she looked nice in her clamdiggers during the intervention.
Ugh is this the girl with the blonde streaks and constant stinkface?
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The oldest sister was good looking.
Yeah, I thought she looked nice in her clamdiggers during the intervention.
Ugh is this the girl with the blonde streaks and constant stinkface?
No, the other one. I didn't like that one.
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The oldest sister was good looking.
Creepcoat?
I can't say someone is "good looking"?
I apologize, Buff. I was feeling prudish. It may have been the whiskey.
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The oldest sister was good looking.
Yeah, I thought she looked nice in her clamdiggers during the intervention.
Ugh is this the girl with the blonde streaks and constant stinkface?
No, the other one. I didn't like that one.
Good. Because blondie was a little bulldoggish.
This season of Intervention is shaping up quite nicely!
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I guess they've been around since the fall, but yesterday I first spied a HOARDERS taxi:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2668/4146554037_f17c652cda.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2652/4147309836_2a4ee1e704.jpg)
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I'd hate to see the Intervention cab.
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Jackie, the rich weepy wino featured on last night's Intervention, was a bit of a bore. Same goes for Joel, her thieving/gambling nephew.
Is it just me or are well-to-do addicts naturally unsympathetic? It's hard for me to feel for an addict holed up in a beautiful house.
Hoarders was also no fun. Linda, the hoarder constantly berated by her foul-mouthed daughter, was a drag. And nerdy Todd reminded me of Quentin Tarantino if Quentin Tarantino had a penchant for making knives and his own beer.
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A hoarder would stack those papers neatly. At least one who I knew did that.
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Did they even mention where Jackie's ex was in all this? I missed that part....
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Did they even mention where Jackie's ex was in all this? I missed that part....
Jackie's ex was M.I.A. Obviously, he chose not to participate.
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Is it just me or are well-to-do addicts naturally unsympathetic? It's hard for me to feel for an addict holed up in a beautiful house.
I think that may be because they seem to have nicer family around, too, so you see the addict's behavior as more hurtful or confounding. On an Intervention from last year or two, there was a well-off, middle-aged alcoholic -- I think from Georgia -- and she had the sweetest aunt and a good family. Lot less sympathy there than for other people I've seen, like the girl who was an addict and had been sexually abused. Her parents knew about it but did not want to press charges or confront the person who did it and thought she should just get over it.
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Last night's Hoarders featured an 11-year-old named Sam who gets my vote for the Saddest Kid Alive.
Yes. Crying when the cleaners left. Poor damaged thing.
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There's a killer rerun of intervention on right now. A complete train wreck. I can't remember if this one has a happy ending, but... wow...
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Jackie, the rich weepy wino featured on last night's Intervention, was a bit of a bore. Same goes for Joel, her thieving/gambling nephew.
Is it just me or are well-to-do addicts naturally unsympathetic? It's hard for me to feel for an addict holed up in a beautiful house.
Hoarders was also no fun. Linda, the hoarder constantly berated by her foul-mouthed daughter, was a drag. And nerdy Todd reminded me of Quentin Tarantino if Quentin Tarantino had a penchant for making knives and his own beer.
Watching this now. I thought the horrible interaction between Joel and Jackie was top notch - think of your favorite non-nuclear relative, now think about you both being addicts and supporting each other's addictions. Nuts!
In addition, I believe these people are also from North Carolina. Fascinating to watch the contrast between the suburban rich NCites and the "outside of Knightdale middle of nowhere" poor family (with the guy who was being taken for a ride by the Nigerians).
I know far more people from the first crowd. This family was pretty typical in their awfulness. When you read about the weird stuff coming out of the Southern Baptist Convention about the wives submitting to the husbands and boycotting Disney World causa the gays, remember that it's THESE folks behind it, for all their college educations and BMWs, not the poor rednecks.
Just found out they're from the Charlotte suburbs. That explains a lot, a lot, a lot.
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I liked Vinnie, the less than dynamic crack addict with Daddy issues featured on last night's Intervention. He seemed like a good guy. Like a guy you knew in high school who just never got his shit together. I wish him well.
I stayed away from Hoarder's for the most part last night. From what I saw, it was boilerplate Hoarders: sad, lonely ladies and their sad kids.
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I liked Vinnie, the less than dynamic crack addict with Daddy issues featured on last night's Intervention. He seemed like a good guy. Like a guy you knew in high school who just never got his shit together. I wish him well.
I stayed away from Hoarder's for the most part last night. From what I saw, it was boilerplate Hoarders: sad, lonely ladies and their sad kids.
I thought the food hoarder Jill from WI was particularly disturbing. The way she rationalized letting containers of yogurt get puffy before throwing them out especially. I cleared out my whole fridge that night. Also, the duct tape holding her fridge door closed was a nice touch.
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I'm surprised that this thread dropped to the second page, considering how crazy Hoarders started to get towards (what I'm guessing was) the end of the season. The retired cop with the massive quantity of guns, his incredibly abrasive wife, and their daughter who snapped and ran down the street hitting herself in the head? The last episode almost seemed scripted, what with the dad/husband popping back up at just the right moment to unleash a tidal wave of drama... yeesh. My ladyfriend and I were amazed at how each episode seemed to trump the previous in terms of sheer craziness.
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I reached my voyeuristic limit. Or, more accurately, I exhausted the show's capacity to inspire me to tidy, and so watching became all about voyeurism, which soon enough sickened me and made me stop tuning in.
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Intervention has been showing repeats for the past few weeks and, of course, they had to show the Allison the Huffer episode yet again last night (c'mon, A & E, can you give that episode a rest? I'm still waiting for the Mike the Rageoholic episode to pop up again). The second repeat had a surprise coda, however. It was the Chris the Gay Alcoholic episode. Right after his partner visited him at the rehab and the two of them were enjoying a beautiful sunset and commenting on how hopeful they were for the future, the update informed us that Chris had committed suicide last August. So, there you go. You just never know what unusual and terrible turns a life may take.
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Off-topic and a cheap shot to be sure, but this looks like an offshoot idea of Horders. Car Hoarders:
(http://i.imgur.com/tU4KH.jpg)
I, too, would like to reunite with the Mike the Rageoholic episode.
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Tonight I finally saw the famed Gabe the gambler. This was the first Intervention I heard about -- I think it was Aimee Mann who was talking about Gabe.
Good lord. What a world.
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They just started showing Hoarders on one of the digital channels here in Australia tonight. Which I think inspired a sort of "all the other kids at school are watching it and finally my parents are letting me stay up late to see it" excitement in me. My partner has never heard the Best Show, but has been determined her whole life to only keep the most necessary and meaningful things and gets a bit sad whenever an end table starts getting cluttered, so she got to gasp and cringe for an hour.
It was alright! I may watch it again! Now let me join in your fascinating discussion --
I reached my voyeuristic limit. Or, more accurately, I exhausted the show's capacity to inspire me to tidy, and so watching became all about voyeurism, which soon enough sickened me and made me stop tuning in.
-- aw, hell. You guys all got burned out already?
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Just me, I think. Others are still going strong.
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A good episode of Intervention was this kid who smoked crack, did coke and hung out in a bar all day but the intervention was for his rage problem. Weird. He threw a bench at his dad.
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Yeah, I believe that's the Mike: The Rageoholic episode. I'm still trying to track that one down. Heard a lot about it. Anyone got a boot they can pass on to me? People are bootlegging Intervention, right?
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Yeah, I believe that's the Mike: The Rageoholic episode. I'm still trying to track that one down. Heard a lot about it. Anyone got a boot they can pass on to me? People are bootlegging Intervention, right?
I quit watching the show because it was "too predictable."
If they'd had more of the Mike: The Rageaholic type episodes, I might have toughed it out.