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FOT Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: mackro on October 07, 2015, 11:38:03 AM
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Many FOTs like indie rock, especially from the 80s and 90s. Prog Rock has increased its presence on the Best Show in the past years. Why not suggest first Prog Rock albums for FOTs?
- Yes "Yes" the debut album (not to be confused with the third album called "The Yes Album")
This is a good bridge from jangly pop rock. The tenets of Prog are here, but certainly in a more Prog structure. "Looking Around" is a great mix tape song for this
- Can "Cannabilism I", a 1969-1974 primer. This is what hooked me into Can.
- Amon Duul II "Yeti" and "Tanz Der Lemminge"
Krautrock is overall the best bridge as a movement, I think, since heavy psych Rock is a common denominator. The roots of weird rock bands like Thinking Fellers and Polvo are found here. The former is heavier, while the latter is start-to-finish a succinct builder.
I could go on, but will let others chime in.
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This is a bit off topic, Mackro. but, did you know that the Grateful Dead's two best written albums came out in 1970?
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This is a bit off topic, Mackro. but, did you know that the Grateful Dead's two best written albums came out in 1970?
I haven't listened to enough Dead albums to agree or disagree? I know 1970 was when a lot of rock celebrity dudes discovered the Dead and were influenced by them. "Workingman's Dead" and "American Beauty" both came out that year. But I prefer "Aoxomoxoa" to either, which was from 1969. (Both the original and The 1971 REMIX, MAN)
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I'm a pretty huge Rush fan, so if someone wanted to check them out I'd suggest either 2112 or A Farewell to Kings to start with. 2112 and Cygnus X-1 are my two favorite songs from them. You get a lot of crazy time signatures and tempo changes along with some ridiculous musicianship and super nerdy lyrics. Great prog stuff there.
The Yes Album is a great place to start with Yes. It's got a couple shorter songs, along with some really catchy stuff mixed in with the longer songs on the album.
Thick as a Brick by Jethro Tull is a lot of fun too.
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Is Bang Tango considered prog?
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I think King Crimson's "Court of the Crimson King" is the best place to start with prog. Yes is kinda wimpy in comparison (sorry Jon Anderson) and Genesis isn't heavy enough to be compelling.
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Archaia - S/T (1977)
Archaia - S/T (1977) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27gT2qlqBVc#)
Eloy - Floating (1974)
ELOY - FLOATING (FULL ALBUM) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfklzCQICtQ#)
Aphrodite's Child 666
Aphrodite's Child - 666 (Full Album Part 1) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYJuGoc3oUE#)
Magma -Mëkanïk Dëstruktïẁ Kömmandöh
Comus, Gong, Catapilla, Aardvark....
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My wife and I argued last night about whether Goblin counts as prog. I always thought of the Deep Red soundtrack as a good bridge to the genre
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Dave from Knoxville seems to be a deep prog fan--had some prog spotify playlist that is delightful. More, please, DfK.
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Dave suggested Traffic was a prog-band. If that is true, I'd go with Low Spark Of High-Heeled Boys.
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Can - Monster Movie
King Crimson - Red
Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Magma - Udu Wudu
Yes - Close to the Edge
Check out the 8:05-minute mark in Magma's De Futura and thank me later: https://youtu.be/vzyOi5XRu_g?t=485 (https://youtu.be/vzyOi5XRu_g?t=485)
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I start and stop with Can. no other band is necessary.
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Can - Monster Movie
King Crimson - Red
Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Magma - Udu Wudu
Yes - Close to the Edge
Check out the 8:05-minute mark in Magma's De Futura and thank me later: https://youtu.be/vzyOi5XRu_g?t=485 (https://youtu.be/vzyOi5XRu_g?t=485)
Good list.
I'd add the following:
Faust- Faust, So Far, Faust IV
Neu! - Neu! and Neu! 75
King Crimson - Larks Tongues in Aspic, The Great Deceiver, Discipline
Can - Tago Mago, Future Days, Soon Over Babaluma
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Can - Monster Movie
King Crimson - Red
Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Magma - Udu Wudu
Yes - Close to the Edge
Check out the 8:05-minute mark in Magma's De Futura and thank me later: https://youtu.be/vzyOi5XRu_g?t=485 (https://youtu.be/vzyOi5XRu_g?t=485)
Good list.
I'd add the following:
Faust- Faust, So Far, Faust IV
Neu! - Neu! and Neu! 75
King Crimson - Larks Tongues in Aspic, The Great Deceiver, Discipline
Can - Tago Mago, Future Days, Soon Over Babaluma
No Traffic, Nec?
What about John Cale's Vintage Violence?
We need a new thread called Prog or Not Prog?
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I've never considered krautrock and prog rock to have many similarities, so seeing CAN dropped in here is surprising to me. Krautrock in general might have taken a lot of inspiration from prog but I don't see them as mutual genres past a few, fleeting stylistic overlaps. Krautrock in general is so much more freewheeling and rhythmic, while I think of prog as generally kind of more concerned with form. Does that make sense? Prog can easily be stuffy and self-interested while krautrock seems to just let it loose.
All the early GENESIS records made me a fan ("Nursery Cryme" through "A Trick of the Tail"), then SOFT MACHINE clicked, especially "Third" and "Fourth," after years in the jazz desert. Canterbury stuff is a trip, but probably not the most easily accessible.
EDIT: Cale's "Vintage Violence" is not prog. At ALL.
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What about Beefheart? Or Zappa? They're not considered "prog rock" artists, but they're arguably more progressive than any of the aforementioned bands.
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Cale's "Vintage Violence" is not prog. At ALL.
Good. I played it today and thought it sounded kind of country.
Maybe we need a thread "Country or Not Country."
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All the early GENESIS records made me a fan ("Nursery Cryme" through "A Trick of the Tail"), then SOFT MACHINE clicked, especially "Third" and "Fourth," after years in the jazz desert. Canterbury stuff is a trip, but probably not the most easily accessible.
Soft Machine Fourth is one of my all time favorite records but I always assumed it was outside of the prog canon because of how jazzy it is.
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I've never considered krautrock and prog rock to have many similarities, so seeing CAN dropped in here is surprising to me. Krautrock in general might have taken a lot of inspiration from prog but I don't see them as mutual genres past a few, fleeting stylistic overlaps. Krautrock in general is so much more freewheeling and rhythmic, while I think of prog as generally kind of more concerned with form. Does that make sense? Prog can easily be stuffy and self-interested while krautrock seems to just let it loose.
Interesting points. Maybe the connection between prog and krautrock (I hate that name) is more superficial, like (1) songs are whatever length they need to be and (2) songs often have multiple sections, movements, etc. Not always, of course, but often.
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Close to the Edge was the first prog album I ever heard and it made me a fan for life. I tell anyone who will listen to get that album.
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this is a great Krautrock comp:
http://www.finderskeepersrecords.com/shop/cloud-cuckooland/ (http://www.finderskeepersrecords.com/shop/cloud-cuckooland/)
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What about Beefheart? Or Zappa? They're not considered "prog rock" artists, but they're arguably more progressive than any of the aforementioned bands.
This is really splitting hairs on how to define prog, I think. Arguing someone is "more progressive" than the others means that, like, Diamandas Galas is more progressive than YES because they're still using traditional time signatures and a guitar/bass/drums combo, even if they're dropping past the verse/chorus/verse form.
All the early GENESIS records made me a fan ("Nursery Cryme" through "A Trick of the Tail"), then SOFT MACHINE clicked, especially "Third" and "Fourth," after years in the jazz desert. Canterbury stuff is a trip, but probably not the most easily accessible.
Soft Machine Fourth is one of my all time favorite records but I always assumed it was outside of the prog canon because of how jazzy it is.
I think it's probably where the first big wave of artists pushed up against their influences and started to go more into exploring one influence over the other? That feels incoherent, but, like, Soft Machine drops so much on that record and just goes for it. But all of the Canterbury stuff I've heard (Soft Machine, Gong) seem much more willing to incorporate jazz into the mix and when I think prog I guess RUSH would never cop to having Don Cherry and Ornette Coleman as influences. I guess more thorough definitions are just needed?
I feel like I don't have a TON of knowledge on prog (certainly not as much as the poster talking about MAGMA), but to me it boils down to, like:
THIS IS PROG:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne317y_eOYs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne317y_eOYs)
THIS IS KRAUTROCK:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=390Nz5Gm8Hw&index=12&list=RD8QLL2j8ZtxE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=390Nz5Gm8Hw&index=12&list=RD8QLL2j8ZtxE)
I don't know. They're so different to my ears.
Yes I know this is the most message board-y post of all time.
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I'm a fan of From Genesis to Revelation.
Once you've been inculcated to Yes, the first two sides of Tales from Topographic Oceans are killer.
I also really love this band Dzyan and their album Electric Silence
Future Days by Can is the greatest, but yeah I think of it as Krautrock, not prog.
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I think it's probably where the first big wave of artists pushed up against their influences and started to go more into exploring one influence over the other? That feels incoherent, but, like, Soft Machine drops so much on that record and just goes for it. But all of the Canterbury stuff I've heard (Soft Machine, Gong) seem much more willing to incorporate jazz into the mix and when I think prog I guess RUSH would never cop to having Don Cherry and Ornette Coleman as influences. I guess more thorough definitions are just needed?
I feel like I don't have a TON of knowledge on prog (certainly not as much as the poster talking about MAGMA), but to me it boils down to, like:
THIS IS PROG:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne317y_eOYs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne317y_eOYs)
THIS IS KRAUTROCK:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=390Nz5Gm8Hw&index=12&list=RD8QLL2j8ZtxE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=390Nz5Gm8Hw&index=12&list=RD8QLL2j8ZtxE)
I don't know. They're so different to my ears.
Yes I know this is the most message board-y post of all time.
I feel like the later Soft Machine definitely gets more "Proggy," which is to say that to my ears, there's a definite shift from Fifth to Bundles and Softs. Those latter records definitely have the jazz influence that you mention, but they're totally in the same genre as quintessential Yes and ELP. I also think they're great and profoundly underrated.
I would also agree with there being a definite distinction between kraut rock and prog generally, but there's definitely some overlap in the venn diagram, and I'm thinking of a lot of the Guru Guru records would inhabit that liminal space between the two genres.
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Dave from Knoxville seems to be a deep prog fan--had some prog spotify playlist that is delightful. More, please, DfK.
Will do! And I stand by Traffic as a proggy band, at least.
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I stand by Traffic as a proggy band, at least.
Please define "proggy."
You owe me a phone call, David.
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I stand by Traffic as a proggy band, at least.
Please define "proggy."
Prog-like? Having properties of prog?
You owe me a phone call, David.