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The Best Show on WFMU => Show Discussion => Topic started by: bruce on July 16, 2007, 08:10:23 PM
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Watch out PBR with that Stones album of yours
http://www.sdreader.com/php/cover.php?mode=print&id=20070705
It's funny cause there are certain labels I totally recognize from a pals old record store.
FYI anyone who actually pays for a bootleg is a chump. It's so easy to find most things online in the CD quality versions (dimeadozen)
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Yes but, I remember as a lad living in Milwaukee a place devoid of much of anything at all, the ability to get live albums or demos by bands I loved was so damn exciting. I know now the internet provides no shortage of information and opportunities to check stuff out, but once upon a time bootlegs kicked ass.
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but once upon a time bootlegs kicked ass.
Yeah before these cd sellers were charging like 30 - 40 bucks a pop. Now I'm off to listen to some Heaven & Hell aka Dio's Black Sabbath from a few months ago.
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but once upon a time bootlegs kicked ass.
Yeah before these cd sellers were charging like 30 - 40 bucks a pop. Now I'm off to listen to some Heaven & Hell aka Dio's Black Sabbath from a few months ago.
Last Sunday, I bought 15 Led Zeppelin bootlegs for Fifteen bucks at a Flea Market. I thought it was quite a score.
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Have you ever read the book "Bootleg: The Secret History of the Other Recording Industry" by Clinton Heylin? It's a pretty interesting read on the bootleg record underground, including the stories behind famous bootlegs like Dylan's "Great White Wonder." It also has quite a bit to say about those copyright gap "import" releases and the loopholes in the law that allowed them.
As someone who used to work in a record shop that specialized in these sort of quasi-legit releases (they got busted a few years ago and closed down their storefront but still operate via mail order) I have mixed feelings about bootlegs. On one hand, they are obviously stealing money from the artists and you're potentially buying something that could be really shitty in both sound and packaging. On the other hand, there is a demand for them that is small but fervid and no major label could possibly fufill their desires. If some guy wants a recording of every Who live show and outtake he can possibly get his hands on, theres just no way that MCA could justify putting them out. It just wouldn't be profitable. (Though legit archival releases have obviously become more popular in recent years.) And there are definitely fans like that. At the aforementioned record store, we used to get these Beach Boys bootlegs that were double CDs of each legit Beach Boys album. Each of these bootlegs contained every single take of every song from their respective album i.e. 9 versions of "Help Me Rhonda" on the "Beach Boys Today!" boot. I believe there was even an entire CD of different outtakes and individual tracks from "Good Vibrations." Yeah, a whole CD of one song. Not exactly my idea of great listening but we would sell dozens of them. The hardcore Beach Boys fans were eating it up. Of course, I don't know how many were pressed and sold in total but I suspect it wouldn't be enough for Capitol.
I did manage to pick up a few neat things there myself, like a very nicely packaged and excellent sounding version of "Smile" (this was before Brian Wilson's redux a few years ago) and a "European" CD of the entire ? and the Mysterians discography (which, for legal reasons, has never been reissued in the state.) Of course, there was a good amount of CD-Rs with ugly xeroxed covers obviously made in some guy's basement and who knows about the sound quality. It's always caveat emptor when you're dealing with guys on the wrong side of the law eh?
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yeah I've read bootleg a few years ago very interesting read. Also I know exactly of those cds you talk about of things of just one track over and over. I don't get it. Sure I've got studio outtake stuff but it usually a cd filled of different material. Hell I'm still waiting for that freakin Archives Box set thats been promised for close to 20 years from Neil Young. I'll just make due with the fans versions of it.
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Have you ever read the book "Bootleg: The Secret History of the Other Recording Industry" by Clinton Heylin?
A fabulous book!
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Have you ever read the book "Bootleg: The Secret History of the Other Recording Industry" by Clinton Heylin?
A fabulous book!
It is indeed a fabulous book. I did find some of the bits of legal mumbo-jumbo at bit tired (especially in the later chapters) but overall it was a fascinating read.
Has anyone read Heylin's latest "Babylon's Burning?" I loved "From the Velvets to the Voidoids" but I've this "sequel" is nowhere near as good. If you have read it, your two cents would be appreciated.
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yeah I've read bootleg a few years ago very interesting read. Also I know exactly of those cds you talk about of things of just one track over and over. I don't get it. Sure I've got studio outtake stuff but it usually a cd filled of different material. Hell I'm still waiting for that freakin Archives Box set thats been promised for close to 20 years from Neil Young. I'll just make due with the fans versions of it.
This trailer is pretty exciting: http://www.repriserecords.com/neilarchives/
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yeah I've read bootleg a few years ago very interesting read. Also I know exactly of those cds you talk about of things of just one track over and over. I don't get it. Sure I've got studio outtake stuff but it usually a cd filled of different material. Hell I'm still waiting for that freakin Archives Box set thats been promised for close to 20 years from Neil Young. I'll just make due with the fans versions of it.
This trailer is pretty exciting: http://www.repriserecords.com/neilarchives/
Good God, a reason to live
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Whoa.
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yeah I've read bootleg a few years ago very interesting read. Also I know exactly of those cds you talk about of things of just one track over and over. I don't get it. Sure I've got studio outtake stuff but it usually a cd filled of different material. Hell I'm still waiting for that freakin Archives Box set thats been promised for close to 20 years from Neil Young. I'll just make due with the fans versions of it.
This trailer is pretty exciting: http://www.repriserecords.com/neilarchives/
Good God, a reason to live
Delayed again till 2008 I know your shocked
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Back from the dead with more info about the Neil archives, including pricing and tracklistings:
http://neilyoungarchives.warnerreprise.com/shop/vol1/
He's pushing the Blu-Ray version pretty hard. I don't have a player and I'm still not sure the format's going to last, so I'm torn.
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yeah I've read bootleg a few years ago very interesting read. Also I know exactly of those cds you talk about of things of just one track over and over. I don't get it. Sure I've got studio outtake stuff but it usually a cd filled of different material. Hell I'm still waiting for that freakin Archives Box set thats been promised for close to 20 years from Neil Young. I'll just make due with the fans versions of it.
This trailer is pretty exciting: http://www.repriserecords.com/neilarchives/
Good God, a reason to live
I think I'm WAY WAY more excited about this than I should be. I have no idea what a "blue wray" is, but I see they've finally gotten wise and are releasing real cd's. I did, however, hear two new NY songs (aside from the 3 I heard a concert late last year), and wow.....wowowoowoww. Horrific. I'm talking about the single most mindblowing songwriter I can think of, my north star, my everything....the obelisk of knowledge for me....and I was nearly puking from laughter. IT. WAS. SO. FUCKED.
Where'd the money go, where'd the money go---that was the lyric. Over and over again. Just the worst.
Clinton Heylin's book "Babylon's Burning" is actually pretty good. Nowhere near his Dylan work, or Velvets to the Voidoids, but still a pretty compelling read. Worth picking up at the used book store, for sure. I have NOT read the bootleg book, though--thank you all very much for the rec. on this one.