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FOT Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: KickTheBobo on August 29, 2007, 11:04:20 PM
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the ongoing battle re: Rocky Road got me thinking:
I really like mint.
(http://kickthebobo.com//mint.jpg)
I really like chocolate.
(http://kickthebobo.com//ChocolateChips.jpg)
Why in the holy heck to I despise Mint Chocolate?
(http://kickthebobo.com//mintchocolate.jpg)
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mint chocolate chip is vomit inducing and it's the wife's favorite flavor.
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You guys are nuts, mint chocolate chip ice cream is the best!
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You guys are nuts, mint chocolate chip ice cream is the best!
what she said!!
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You would change your tune if you had ice cream with brownie chunks in it. That's the best (but the worse for your health).
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You guys are nuts, mint chocolate chip ice cream is the best!
what she said!!
I third this!!
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You guys are nuts, mint chocolate chip ice cream is the best!
what she said!!
I third this!!
Fourth'd.
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Fifthed.
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I love bacon.
I love green beans.
I hate green beans with bacon. (All you southerners leave my tasty green beans alone!!)
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I love bacon.
I love green beans.
I hate green beans with bacon. (All you southerners leave my tasty green beans alone!!)
Baltimizzer is south of the Mason-Dixon line, so you are a belle. Embrace it.
Cooked vegetables (and especially green beans) are no good unless they are pulverized by the cooking process and loaded with fat. My grandmother's green beans will make a man weep with joy.
Regular green beans? Why not eat crayons?
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But I'm neutral!!!!
(Northern MD seems to still be full of Yankees, but when you get down to the southern part of the state it's more like being in VA)
I like my grean beans steamed with garlic or spicy thai style.
I also love crayons. Wanna make somethin of it???
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what are you, a Baltimoron?
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Fifthed.
Sixthed.
Also, regular greenbeans are delicious and refreshing.
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Fifthed.
Also, regular greenbeans are delicious and refreshing.
Seconded!
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I like Danes
[youtube=425,350]tIKRewNBzF4[/youtube]
And I like cooks
[youtube=425,350]LcufmQqovUQ[/youtube]
But I don't like what happens when you put them together
[youtube=425,350]yw8pg5uoWPE[/youtube]
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Wow man, I avoid Dane Cook in general, and I sometimes start to think that he can't be as bad as people say, but then I watch some video on this thread and I realize all over again that this guy eats more shit than the entire cast of Encino Man.
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I like sex
I like cats
Sex with cats: not so good
(you knew some variation of this joke was coming. I wanted to head it off in order to ensure it was a "sex with children" joke. think of this as a sort of a public service anouncement)
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I like cockfighting.
I like dogfighting.
I HATE cockdogfighting.
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Brilliant, Supercaller Dave. You win this game hands down.
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I like sex
I like cats
Sex with cats: not so good
(you knew some variation of this joke was coming. I wanted to head it off in order to ensure it was a "sex with children" joke. think of this as a sort of a public service anouncement)
ROFLMAO.
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I like sex
I like cats
Sex with cats: not so good
(you knew some variation of this joke was coming. I wanted to head it off in order to ensure it was a "sex with children" joke. think of this as a sort of a public service anouncement)
I had an amazing "cat pizza" joke, Andy, and you had to go and ruin it for everyone.
Your loss, bastard.
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I like dessert, I like $25.
I hate spending $25 on dessert.
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I like dessert, I like $25.
I hate spending $25 on dessert.
:'(
Does this mean you won't be in attendance at my super awesome party?
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I would not normally pull up this spammy a thing again, but I have to share my pride in my son, Andy from Knoxville. Dane cook came on tv doing one of his endless baseball updates, and my son says to me "I hate this guy. Lots of people at school like him, but it's just because he cusses a lot, I don't think I have ever heard him say anything funny."
So I take Andy to this very post, to show him that my opinion of Dane Cook is basically the same, and he got inspired when he saw the stack of youtube windows. He actually found a way to make Dane Cook HIGH-larious, and you can too, if you follow these simple directions.
1) Place the Dane Cook video fully on screen. Now, reposition the screen so that the command bar from the chef video is also on screen; for maximum effect, do NOT pull the screen down far enough so that you can see chef. In other words, you want to be able to control the chef video without actually seeing him.
2) Turn the Dane Cook audio all the way down.
3) Turn the chef video all the way up.
4) Hit the start button for the two videos as close to simultaneously as possible.
If you pull it off, it's almost as impressive as The Wizard of the Dark Side of the Moon.
I like Danes
[youtube=425,350]tIKRewNBzF4[/youtube]
And I like cooks
[youtube=425,350]LcufmQqovUQ[/youtube]
But I don't like what happens when you put them together
[youtube=425,350]yw8pg5uoWPE[/youtube]
In case my instructions were unclear, you're running the chef audio while viewing only the Dane video.
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I have to admit that the cat pizza joke is clearly vastly superior to my cat/sex joke.
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I like Democrats. I like parties. I hate the Democratic Party.
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I like posters. I like children.
But i just heard the Tom vs. Poster Children episode (2/14/06), and GAAAHH - those two are the WORST!
What a couple of passive-aggressive, humorless blowhards.
Holy moly.
I know I'm 20 months late on this topic, but still.
I'll take ten pinkhamsters over that Rick guy, any day.
GAAAHH.
His music must be really good to carry that 'tude.
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I like posters. I like children.
But i just heard the Tom vs. Poster Children episode (2/14/06), and GAAAHH - those two are the WORST!
What a couple of passive-aggressive, humorless little blowhards.
It's my impression that this was the prevalent mentality of the entire "indie" community from 1989 - 1995. I could be so completely off-base.
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Well alright, I posted that before hearing the part where they apologized, but still. GAAAHH.
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I like Florida.
I like state universities, at least the one I attended.
I hate FSU.*
* Tonight, I had the distinctly nauseating experience of speed-dialing the Cambridge PD while the sound of some poor schlub's ribs getting broken by a pair of FSU-affiliated Doc Martens was echoing in the background. And I'm not talking about Florida State University. Oi, oi, shitheads.
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I like Florida.
I like state universities, at least the one I attended.
I hate FSU.*
* Tonight, I had the distinctly nauseating experience of speed-dialing the Cambridge PD while the sound of some poor schlub's ribs getting broken by a pair of FSU-affiliated Doc Martens was echoing in the background. And I'm not talking about Florida State University. Oi, oi, shitheads.
Are those boneheads still around? "Friends Stand United" - what a bummer. And now they're "skins?"
Didn't they used to all be jock-ish straight edge posi-core thugs?
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As long as we're on the topic of moronic skinheads (Are there any other kind? No), can someone please explain SHARPs to me? I don't get it, especially since they're apparent not SKAGs*... Ugh.
Also, while you're at it, explain gay skinheads to me, too. Although I will admit, I have never met a gay skinhead. I think it's probably just a porno invention.
*Skinheads Against Gaybashing, not Winesack!
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(http://www.skinhead.no/images/museum/allen/skinhead.gif)(http://c.myspace.com/Groups/00000/09/19/9190_l.jpg)
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(http://www.skinhead.no/images/museum/allen/skinhead.gif)(http://c.myspace.com/Groups/00000/09/19/9190_l.jpg)
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ZUNG!!
(http://static.othermusic.com/release/175/4143.jpg)
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I should also mention the state university I attended was in RI, not Florida.
(That gang*) is still around. I don't know the details of its history, but Boston has long been a stronghold for them. A woman I know who bartends at a place I frequent told me recently that she was asked to leave a party for espousing anti-(that gang) opinions. "We don't want to have to kick your ass," one affiliate apparently told her. So they've learned some social graces, evidently.
It has become a lot more covert, at least where I live. But they are still out there. I suspect that a few of my co-workers are involved, but it has never been talked about openly.
It sucks, because the ones that I suspect are involved are generally good people, and as employees of a frequently volatile entertainment venue, we all have to watch each other's backs. I'll take (and have taken) a punch from any drunk, out of control douchebag; at a venue that (stupidly) is willing to book shows that draw the LCD, it's inevitable. I'd never work there if there weren't so many tough mofos on hand to deal with the bad trash. Last night's episode, however, occurred after work. I was very close to entering the fray myself, because I don't like seeing my friends get assaulted. I don't know why I took out my phone instead. Maybe because I had already put my glasses in my back pocket a few too many times earlier that night.
As for the SHARPs, eew boy. I'm f*cking 36 years old. I don't get it. I didn't get it when I was half my age. The whole skinhead thing is retarded as far as I'm concerned. Why affiliate yourself with a movement if you need to constantly distinguish the fact that you're a non-racist type? There are some things that, like it or not, will always have ugly baggage. It's like trying to reclaim the swastika from Hitler. Futile.
* yeah, there is an edit coming; some of these thugs know how to type on the internet
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As for the SHARPs, eew boy. I'm f*cking 36 years old. I don't get it. I didn't get it when I was half my age. The whole skinhead thing is retarded as far as I'm concerned. Why affiliate yourself with a movement if you need to constantly distinguish the fact that you're a non-racist type? There are some things that, like it or not, will always have ugly baggage. It's like trying to reclaim the swastika from Hitler. Futile.
As long as we're on the topic of moronic skinheads (Are there any other kind? No), can someone please explain SHARPs to me? I don't get it, especially since they're apparent not SKAGs*... Ugh.
Also, while you're at it, explain gay skinheads to me, too. Although I will admit, I have never met a gay skinhead. I think it's probably just a porno invention.
*Skinheads Against Gaybashing, not Winesack!
It's all true, what you say, and this is a very long and pointelss discussion, but in a nutshell, though I'm not going to go out on the idiotic limb of saying that MOST are not morons, skinheads are not ALL morons - I know quite a few decent folks who fit the bill.
As far as explaining it, Laurie, there's a certain sartortial component that attracts tough morons (and let's face it - the look was never about peace and love) and a certain cultural adherance to misunderstood "working class origins" that provides an excuse for people to use the sartorial components to remain morons; and even though skinhead style has West Indian origins and was explicitly non-racist and apolitical when it began, whatever people claim, once it moved beyond those origins in the late 60s, where it was a very specific cultural identifier for a very specific segment of the British population, the dificulty in defining just what exactly is "skinhead" should tell you that it's become mostly a style-vessel waiting to be filled by an ideology, and as with anything like that (which is pretty much any "style" at all, I guess), it's easily cöopted and twisted to accomodate racists and MORE morons - in fact, it LENDS itself to cöoptation by morons, including morons who will beat the shit out of someone for being racist, then beat the shit out of someone else for being gay. And obviously, that sucks.
But DAMN does it look good!
As for gay skinheads - it's not just a porno invention - they're real, too.
Now as for Skag Winesack's dealings with gay racist skinhead gangs in Memphis, well... apparently, they've got their hands in a number of different pies, so they make great informants. And you really can't hold that against him - they guy's got a job to do!
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You're right, TL, on all the historical stuff re. skinheads. FSU is a slightly different conundrum. A lot of the people who end up on their receiving end completely and absolutely deserve it, but more often than not they end up getting far more punishment than they deserve. Where do you draw the line? I know the guy who was wearing the boots that were quite literally breaking the (initially deserving) other clown's ribs, and as much as I like him as a friend, he was definitely out of line (not to mention drunk as hell and pissed off for reasons that have much more to do with his fucked up personal life than any stupid infraction that the recipient of his blows was guilty of). Nobody was right. Everybody was wrong. The worst thing about it was seeing people who had nothing whatsoever to do with whatever conflict started the thing getting swept up in the mayhem and literally being left with no choice but to throw punches to get out alive. It was horrifying.
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Here's a video from a band with a singer who has been frequently threatened by FSU thugs:
[youtube=425,350]x0IKZQaAX5c[/youtube]
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[...]cöopted [...] cöoptation
But DAMN does it look good!
What, are we The New Yorker here?
And regarding the sartorial aspect -- yeah, I get that. I remember reading this NSFW blog entry (http://www.queerty.com/queer/the-totally-frightful-issue/the-totally-frightful-issue-gay-skinheads-20061016.php) on QUEERTY, but it still confuses me. I mean, I can look at a Bruce LaBruce picture of two skinheads making out, and I find that incredibly hot, okay? I really like this one heavily pierced German skinhead/gay porn star. But, you know, actually espousing skinhead views instead of just dressing up as them because you like their style? That, well, I dont get it.
Apparently the fellow who runs Skinheads.net is a major closet case. Go figure.
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But, you know, actually espousing skinhead views instead of just dressing up as them because you like their style? That, well, I dont get it.
But that's just it - it's hard to say what "skinhead views" are. Racists have racist views, jerk-offs act like jerk-offs, and the look unfortunately attracts jerk-offs. And though I'd never attempt to suggest there's not rampant and prevalent brutishness and thuggery under the skinhead umbrella (even if I wanted to do that, which I don't and can't, my own dear wifey, who was repeatedly beat up by area skinheads in highschool for being a "CRASS-hole" would turn me out, so...), I also know a bunch of straight up lovely people who also fall under that umbrella who'd give ANYONE who needed anything the Ben Shermans off their backs.
(Yawn.)
On a different note, though, of course, you're right that it's not at all surprising that one so given to outward signs of machismo would be a classic closet case.
And so it goes...
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I've done alot of anti-racist activist stuff in the past and have know many SHARPS and RASH* skins. I'd like to say there's a lot of good ones in the bunch but I really can't. it's been said already but the skinhead thing attracts a certain kid of person and they are generally, dumb, thuggish and completely narrow minded. e.g. I've known so many "left wing" skins who won't hesitate to call a Nazi a faggot. They are so obsessed with reclaiming their style that they lose sight of how they are making life miserable for everyone else around them.
also FSU "the gang" just got like a ten page article in the last rolling stone. weird!
*red anarchist skin heads
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But that's just it - it's hard to say what "skinhead views" are. Racists have racist views, jerk-offs act like jerk-offs, and the look unfortunately attracts jerk-offs. And though I'd never attempt to suggest there's not rampant and prevalent brutishness and thuggery under the skinhead umbrella (even if I wanted to do that, which I don't and can't, my own dear wifey, who was repeatedly beat up by area skinheads in highschool for being a "CRASS-hole" would turn me out, so...), I also know a bunch of straight up lovely people who also fall under that umbrella who'd give ANYONE who needed anything the Ben Shermans off their backs.
Geez, where did your girlfriend go to highschool, inside a February 1987 issue of Maximum Rock n' Roll?
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Geez, where did your girlfriend go to highschool, inside a February 1987 issue of Maximum Rock n' Roll?
Yes - think "Scene Reports: Providence."
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Skins are lunkheads, but is there some way to rationalize listening to oi? It's moronic music made mostly by morons, but there are some classic shout-a-longs by Blitz, 4 Skins, and others.
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Skins are lunkheads, but is there some way to rationalize listening to oi? It's moronic music made mostly by morons, but there are some classic shout-a-longs by Blitz, 4 Skins, and others.
Remember when Tom went through his Aerosmith phase?
Don't overthink it - Blitz's "All Out Attack" EP is the greatest punk record ever recorded.
Shout along, by all means!
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I like food. I like Rutgers. I hate Rutgers food.
Except maybe fat sandwiches. I usually hate myself after those.
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Re: skinheads - as long as we're getting pedantic here (and actually Laurie, this is not The New Yorker, but FOT: An Irregularly Published Journal of Tom and Tom Culture), there's an excellent book that I sometimes teach by Dick Hebdige, Subculture: The Meaning of Style*, in which he expounds at great length of the origins of proto-skin culture in 1960s Britain. I won't bore you all with the details, but basically he characterizes it as a form of co-optation of working-class culture by youth too underprivileged to become hippies. American skinhead culture is, by comparison, totally decontextualized, as the American working class never really dressed like that. The look is associated with violence, et al in the popular imagination, but honestly it could be anything; style is given context by the wearer.
I guess there's sort of an analog to the jock look of the FSU - like, repurposing the costume of the American teenager.
The whole FSU thing seems sort of sad to me. I'm Jewish and was sort of peripherally into the NJ hardcore scene in the mid-80s (I went to the all-ages shows at Shitty Gardens pretty regularly for a couple of years), so I feel a sort of peripheral relief at their anti-racist views. I used to like kids like that. And on some level I have a sort of vaguely-defined Leninist fantasy of organizing the FSUs into a small army. But I'm old enough to know that thuggishness is usually just thuggishness, and tends to follow its own imperatives.
Re: Rutgers - yeah, fat sandwiches, ew brother.
*I'm sure most of you already know about it, but just to throw it into the mix
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Man, I am totally kicking myself now for trading my Slapshot t-shirt to Dave from MDC for one of his band's shirts (he tried in vain to set it afire) many summers ago. I probably coulda got a few hundred for some vintage Hahd-coah gear like that if the documentary from this label/ film studio/ website is any indication:
(Featuring the above-mentioned Friends Stand United)
Boston Beatdown: See The World Through Our Eyes-Volume II (http://www.crosscheckrecords.com/web/page.asp?pgs=product&catid=28&id=599)
Note: the word "brutal" is used four times on that one page.
...aaaaaand a clip:
[youtube=425,350]mOMcf9eQIhY[/youtube]
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As long as we're on the topic of moronic skinheads (Are there any other kind? No), can someone please explain SHARPs to me? I don't get it, especially since they're apparent not SKAGs*... Ugh.
Also, while you're at it, explain gay skinheads to me, too. Although I will admit, I have never met a gay skinhead. I think it's probably just a porno invention.
i happen to be very close friends with a gay puerto rican skinhead. he's kind of a local legend here in new brunswick, he has a long-running show on WRSU, and he does lots of spoken word performances at punk shows and stuff. he's very smart and highly entertaining.
edit: and the only way i can possibly explain this to you is by stating that once upon a time "skinhead" wasn't synonymous with "white supremacist" or whatever.
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I like food. I like Rutgers. I hate Rutgers food.
Except maybe fat sandwiches. I usually hate myself after those.
i love fat sandwiches (only once in a while, tho) but yeah, the food here stinks. i understand that not all pizza places can be New Haven-quality, but.... yeah. food that only tastes good when it's 3am and you're drunk doesn't cut it for me. (partially because i don't drink.)