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FOT Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: JP on October 01, 2007, 12:40:38 AM
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So radiohead are releasing their new record via download or an $80 set. They are letting people set their own price for the digital download. For some reason this sort of bothers me because it is fine for them but I think it's going to make people think they can download anything they want now.
It also a little "Apple" for me with the surprise release thing.
Anyway, it's all very exciting and it's hard for me to cope at the moment.
JP
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as a radiohead fan, i couldn't be happier with this decision. if any band can pull off breaking away from the major label system, it's radiohead.
if it wasn't for the weak dollar and my lack of a turntable, i'd buy the disc set. i think i agree with JP about the sense of entitlement this will give bittorrent and usenet downloaders, i for one will pay over the market rate, partially out of guilt since kid a actually introduced me to napster seven years ago.
im not quite sure if this means one of 'dem "paradigm shifts" or if it's just a one-off shot by a popular yet radically independent band with the power to do such a thing.
now bring on the tour!
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What ticks me off further, and I hadn't entirely processed until now, is that the $80 version has a disk 2 with
CD 2
MK 1
DOWN IS THE NEW UP
GO SLOWLY
MK 2
LAST FLOWERS
UP ON THE LADDER
BANGERS AND MASH
4 MINUTE WARNING
that isn't available for download as far as I can tell.
What if I want these songs, why didn't they make those available to buy via download?
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The way I understand it is, all of this is going to be released in "regular" format next year (I assume disc 2 will end up as b-sides and such), but they're in effect "leaking it" themselves to beat the bootleggers (mp3leggers?) to the punch, while also giving the cheapskates/allegedly poor the chance to get the regular album for free.
I just hope the box set comes with an actual rainbow.
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What if I want these songs, why didn't they make those available to buy via download?
It appears that you're a smug music buyer.
You think they should make everything available to download... be happy with what you get. They're breaking ground by even offering the download in the first place. Most bands wouldn't go that far.
Name your own price? I have nothing to complain about here. I think it's a great idea. I'm sure if I want the b-side discs I can get my hands on them sometime next year after this has been around for a while. And if I have to order them and have a physical CD delivered to my house, then that's OK. Because I like their music so much it's worth it.
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What if I want these songs, why didn't they make those available to buy via download?
It appears that you're a smug music buyer.
You think they should make everything available to download... be happy with what you get. They're breaking ground by even offering the download in the first place. Most bands wouldn't go that far.
Name your own price? I have nothing to complain about here. I think it's a great idea. I'm sure if I want the b-side discs I can get my hands on them sometime next year after this has been around for a while. And if I have to order them and have a physical CD delivered to my house, then that's OK. Because I like their music so much it's worth it.
I guess I can't "complain" per se, I guess I just wish the new model was more complete in terms of being exactly how I wish it were. I hope that there is a time when anything that has ever been released by any band in any country is available to buy at a price that is in line with what other music costs. For example, why are the out-of-print records when they don't have to print them any more? I have a stolen copy of Bumper Crop that makes me feel guilty.
I am not into records that are exclusive or rare physical goods. I also try not to steal music so I either begrudgingly fork out the $15 to buy the one b-side song or I go without. I've just always hoped there were more people with in the middle who like music and don't care if it is "exclusive."
I think the name your own price is good fun as well, but I think people might apply that doctrine to whatever they want to - even if the band isn't interested in doing in that way. For example, I don't think I should choose "oh hey tom yeah I just downloaded hippie justice and I think it worth 4 dollars so here you are thanks!" If artists want to give people that choice then fine, but if not it isn't up to the downloaders to decide - but they might infer that if it's good enough for radiohead it's good enough for whomever else.
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JP,
if somebody wants the second disc it'll probably be ripped and made available on bit torrent or uploaded to rapidshare or megaupload, right?
You can probably get it immediately and won't have to wait a year, although I get that you don't want to have to steal it.
People already think they can download anything they want, don't you think? I don't think asking people to set their own price will contribute to this.
Why is the set $80 anyway? ridiculous. $50, maybe?
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2 vinyl 2 cd's bonus stuff. I can see a lot of people spending 80 bucks for all that. I'm not one of them, but I'll probably float 5 bucks their way for the download. I have a feeling a lot of people are going to do that and that they'll make more money than going through a retailer (especially if they get enough people to go for the 80 dollar set). A lot of people will pay nothing for it as well, but they wouldn't have bought it anyway. Everyone who was planning on buying it will pay something for it, and a lot of people who had no intention of buying it will pay something for it just to support the idea....
Economics schmeconomics. There's a new Radiohead album coming out and I don't think anyone was expecting that so soon!
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I have no use for the vinyl or artwork, so I think I'll give them about 30 bucks, download the 1st disc from them, and then "steal" the bonus disc when it hits the torrents.
Everyone wins, including the planet.
They're my very favorite band; I can't wait to hear this!
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30 bucks huh? That's more than I can afford to offer but I applaud you for going way above what most people will go.
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I'm not trying to be smug or take the moral high ground, but 30 seems like a more than reasonable price to pay for 90+ minutes of music I'll be listening to for dozens of hours, especially since more of that money is going straight to the artists. I figure a brand new double CD at Best Buy would be about 23 bucks - I just want to throw a couple of extra dollars to support this very bold, very interesting distribution model. I certainly don't care if others pay less, even if it's less than what I think the band deserves.
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Everyone wins, including the planet.
Oh wow you make a great point. I didn't even think about how environmentally responsible they're being with allowing the download and making the cd/vinyl sets "to-order". That could avoid millions in production costs and waste. I really didn't think of it that way until now but that makes me even happier about this arrangement!
I, too intend to spend about 30 bucks on the download. Anything less than 10 seems like an insult to the band (just my opinion) and I'm a huge fan so it's worth it to me to send some additional cash their way to make up for those who won't bother giving anything.
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I already had a sense of the moral high ground. Now I'm just a little more smug.
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cool beans. i'll throw a few bones their way. sure, why not.
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I've gone through my bootleg versions of those songs and it seems like virtually all of the songs that were less interesting to me ended up on the 2nd disk (interesting how that works, although I wouldn't have necessarily chosen the songs for Kid A that they did based on the 2000 bootlegs, so what the hell do I know,) - anyway, it won't be as painful to save the $72 I saved by throwing 3.5 GBP + 45p transaction fee to buy only disk one (aka the actual album.)
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I bought the discbox.
It'll put my kids through college one day.
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I'm interested in the implications of such a big band as Radiohead essentially letting their listeners decide how much they want to download their new album for. I speculated amongst some friends that if their "experiment" works, we will see an even faster erosion of record labels and a rise in bands whose primary revenue comes from live shows. This line of thought seemed to be confirmed by this story: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/09/nradiohead108.xml (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/09/nradiohead108.xml). I found it on the Drudge Report earlier, today. I'm interested in what everyone else sees coming of this, if anything.
Yes, Tom. I know that Matt Drudge is in the hate pit. I did, however, miss the show where you explained why he is in there. Something about him being a creep, or you don't like his hat... That was all I caught, though.
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I just realized that someone already started a thread about this, but my post is different enough in its focus that I think I'll just leave it up...
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I think most bands already make the majority of their revenue from touring. Thanks to the way most major-label contracts are set up, you have to really sell a lot of records before you start making money from sales alone.
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I think most bands already make the majority of their revenue from touring.
Esp when you charge 80 - 150 a ticket.
That said, if you ever have the chance to see Radiohead live -- DO IT. I did a few years back and it was the greatest concert I've ever been to. I actually cried I was so happy.
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Well, I think band loyalty is far more important to bands. What I mean by that is, I went to see U2 at Glendale Arena when they came through Phoenix on their last tour. It was the first time I ever saw them live. I paid $100 each for my wife and I to go see them. Consider: Paying $12 for their CD at Target where they probably make $5 or $6 profit, or paying $100, where they at least make half that, after expenses. AND consider the merchandising. I think I paid $30 for a shirt and $10 for a poster.
Also, I was just reading on Pitchfork that Trent Reznor is not a free agent without any label plans. Since he wanted people to download his last album for free we can all probably guess that he'll pull a Radiohead with his future albums. Not that I'm a Trent Reznor fan in any sense, but progress is progress, I say.
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Well, I think band loyalty is far more important to bands. What I mean by that is, I went to see U2 at Glendale Arena when they came through Phoenix on their last tour. It was the first time I ever saw them live. I paid $100 each for my wife and I to go see them. Consider: Paying $12 for their CD at Target where they probably make $5 or $6 profit, or paying $100, where they at least make half that, after expenses. AND consider the merchandising. I think I paid $30 for a shirt and $10 for a poster.
when you put it that way... the record companies don't sound half bad. i wouldn't pay that much even for 'floor seats'.
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Just out of curiosity, how much would you pay?
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I tried donating a few bucks for this download, but the website wouldn't accept my cc (the problem was def. on their end). I'll make up for it by buying an "In Rainbows" coffee mug or something.
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Just out of curiosity, how much would you pay?
unless U2's playing halftime while the patriots are in the super bowl... it might range into tom's 'pay me' scenario. i paid 40 dollars to see radiohead when they came to boston last year, i'd pay twice that at the most, without the merch.
as for in rainbows, i spent 10 quid (i've always wanted to pay in quid)
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Anybody think there is going to be massive problems actually getting the album tomorrow? The website is slow enough, I can't imagine what is going to happen when it comes time for everybody to download a 90-120 mb album.
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Anybody think there is going to be massive problems actually getting the album tomorrow? The website is slow enough, I can't imagine what is going to happen when it comes time for everybody to download a 90-120 mb album.
from an email update from WASTE:
THE ALBUM WILL COME AS A 48.4MB ZIP FILE CONTAINING 10 X 160KBPS DRM FREE MP3s.
So now I'm glad I didn't pay $ for these mp3s. I'll just get the higher quality album when it comes out.
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Track-by-track Preview! (http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/16654550/radioheads_in_rainbows_trackbytrack_preview)
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I got my e-mail. It's downloading. I"m about to listen. I'm freaking out.
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I got my e-mail. It's downloading. I"m about to listen. I'm freaking out.
I'm halfway through track two. Safe bet for favorite album ever.
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HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT
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Yep. Favorite album ever.
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wow... outstanding album, definitely their best since kid a. i don't think they could have done 'nude' any better.
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I never received my email this morning so I still had to "steal" it.
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I would have to say that I like this album AT LEAST as much as Hail to the Thief, but given time, I could love it more.
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Hmm...I don't think it's anywhere near as good as OK Computer, KID A or Amnesiac. The 160kbps quality is noticeable as well.
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I was one of, I guess, few people who liked Hail to the Thief more than Kid A and Ok Computer, but I truly think this new one tops them all.
In terms of production and songwriting, I'm not even sure it's close. They're at the top of their game.
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So of course there's the other issues, but I adore the new record.
Right now I'm thinking:
1. Kid A
2. Amnesiac
3. In Rainbows
4. OKC
5. HTTT
6. Bends
7. Etc.
The only song I really am not enjoying is All I Need. I guess the violins are a little unnecessary on Faust Arp too.
JP
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Me like.
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The only song I really am not enjoying is All I Need. I guess the violins are a little unnecessary on Faust Arp too.
JP
Wait, they covered a Jack Wagner number?
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I paid to download it. I listened to it once.
Eh.
I'll listen again tomorrow.
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I got my e-mail. It's downloading. I"m about to listen. I'm freaking out.
I'm halfway through track two. Safe bet for favorite album ever.
Radiohead fans are very committed.
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I went back and listened to that Cuts record that Evan Funk Davies and Terre t said to buy last year. Very refreshing.
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Radiohead are the Napoleon Dynamite of music.
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Holy crap, "Nude" is an amazing track.
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i like it better than Hail to the Thief. It sounds like a good mixture of Kid A and the Bends, though not quite as good as either. Overall, i think it's a great album.
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I think I'm the only one who still likes HTTT better than In Rainbows. I have to listen to it in my car though, as it seems that's where I absorb music the best...
Right now it's just falling a little flat for me. But historically that happens with almost every Radiohead disc and eventually, after listening to it for a while, I get used to it and start to love it. But I think there were more tracks on the past 3 albums that really stood out to me as being insanely good, as opposed to this one where there are very few so far.
But Radiohead's my favorite band so I can be tough on them.
PS. Nude is, indeed, an AMAZING track.
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I agree with you Erika. Even Nude doesn't blow me away that much and there were about 3-4 tracks off of HTTT that were absolutely great. Like Myxomatosis and The Gloaming. Nothing on In Rainbows compares to those songs.
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I'm late to this thread 'cause I don't like Radiohead, but yay to JP for the Cuts mention. All 3 LPs are aces.
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Their recent secret club show is now archived here. (http://current.com/items/88817592_watch_radiohead_s_93_feet_east_london_gig_in_full)
Hot stuff, Jack.
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scan of this month's Q Magazine (http://www.sendspace.com/file/mgv99z):
The Complete Radiohead. A massive 32-page special devoted to Britain's most adventurous rock band, containing the stories behind every song they've ever recorded.
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The R-Head Thread
Back From Tha Dead
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scan of this month's Q Magazine (http://www.sendspace.com/file/mgv99z):
The Complete Radiohead. A massive 32-page special devoted to Britain's most adventurous rock band, containing the stories behind every song they've ever recorded.
We got floah seats! WE GOT FLOAH SEATS!
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scan of this month's Q Magazine (http://www.sendspace.com/file/mgv99z):
The Complete Radiohead. A massive 32-page special devoted to Britain's most adventurous rock band, containing the stories behind every song they've ever recorded.
We got floah seats! WE GOT FLOAH SEATS!
perfect.
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Going to see them May 9 in Charlotte. Got rained out last time in Centerville, VA. Cross fingers.
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I thought this was pretty cool:
http://www.vimeo.com/1109226?pg=embed&sec=1109226
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I think I'm the only one who still likes HTTT better than In Rainbows. I have to listen to it in my car though, as it seems that's where I absorb music the best...
Right now it's just falling a little flat for me. But historically that happens with almost every Radiohead disc and eventually, after listening to it for a while, I get used to it and start to love it. But I think there were more tracks on the past 3 albums that really stood out to me as being insanely good, as opposed to this one where there are very few so far.
But Radiohead's my favorite band so I can be tough on them.
PS. Nude is, indeed, an AMAZING track.
I prefer Hail to the Thief as well. Rainbows starts out strong but kind levels off after that. There is something very soothing about it though; it comes in handy during late night work sessions.
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I just read that U2's manager, Paul McGuiness is publicly trashing Radiohead's internet release.
Careful dude, you're really closing doors to Bono's next duet options.