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FOT Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: Andy on November 19, 2007, 09:11:27 PM
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I had this all typed up a couple of days ago and didn't post it because I didn't want to seem dense. I've stopped caring about that:
How the fuck do vegans sustain themselves? And I'm not talking about getting enough protein, I'm talking about eating when you're not at home (or on the road, whatever the case may be) It's got to be fucking difficult. I'm thinking it might be impossible here in Oklahoma.
I gave up meat for lent a couple of years ago and it almost killed me. I've never eaten so many bean burritos and cheese pizzas.
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A little extra thought and a little extra time is all it takes.
You get used to it.
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also, I guess the point of this thread might have been missed. It's more a "holy shit I admire your commitment" than a "you guys are weird" thread.
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Are there any items at any fast food establishments that would be considered vegan? Fries made with vegetable oil?
Please forgive my ignorance. Andy really did get my curiosity going.
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I Googled it:
http://www.vegetarian-restaurants.net/OtherInfo/FastFoodRest.htm
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what TL said.
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almost every vegan i know that travels a lot is all about the taco bell.
which proves that just because its vegan doesn't mean it's good for you.
also, i believe cocoa crispies are vegan.
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almost every vegan i know that travels a lot is all about the taco bell.
Ted Leo LOVES Taco Bell.
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almost every vegan i know that travels a lot is all about the taco bell.
Ted Leo LOVES Taco Bell.
yeah, because i have so many vegan friends who like taco bell, that incident struck me as particularly amusing.
oh and do most vegans abstain from eating honey? it's about a 50/50 split with the ones i know. it puzzles me a bit, i mean, i can understand cows and chickens, but bees?
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I understand it: bees are enslaved and exploited for their honey. And if the honey is wild, it's stolen.
Excuse me, my pizza is hot: topped with peperoni and bacon, along with roasted red peppers and mushrooms.
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* Yeast is OK because it is in the Fungi Kingdom (not the Animal Kingdom).
* Fruitarians only eat raw fruit and seeds (Bryce, Unroided: "pulling a carrot out of the ground is an act of violence, man")
* If you want to be in solidarity with someone who has celiac disease (or sensitivity to gluten and casein), Tapioca bread (toasted) is not too shabby. Brown rice bread is like eating a pizza tile. The food engineer that stumbles upon a natural alternative to gluten (i.e. something that replicates the "poofy" quality of "regular" bread) will make many people very happy.
* Swamp grass is delicious (stir-fried with tofu)
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I think I've had bread made with rice flour that wasn't terrible.
I could go veggie but not vegan. Life without cheese just isn't a life I want to live. Long live lactose!
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I understand it: bees are enslaved and exploited for their honey. And if the honey is wild, it's stolen.
Excuse me, my pizza is hot: topped with peperoni and bacon, along with roasted red peppers and mushrooms.
Now really, Sarah - was that snark necessary?
:'(
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I'm just mean, TL, that's all there is to it.
(Actually, I was merely trying to point out my hypocrisy,* since I absolutely do believe that bees are exploited and enslaved or at least robbed, yet I not only eat honey but shove dead animal flesh down my gullet regularly.)
*But you probably already knew that and were just being a funny guy. Ho ho ho.
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Though I am only a vegetarian, not a full-fledged vegan, I will say: it starts as a goal, and then it becomes a change, and then it becomes a way to keep you from laziness, and then eventually it becomes a way to, like, you know, get yourself. Once I started paying attention to my input/output levels, I got a hell of a lot better at staying healthy and on point.
Yeah that's right! my choice is both environmentally friendly and completely self-involved.
Also, recently, there's been such a proliferation of natural grocery stores and excellent vegan/veg cookbooks, I think the answers are infinitely more accessible than in times past.
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how was the Tofurkey?
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I had this all typed up a couple of days ago and didn't post it because I didn't want to seem dense. I've stopped caring about that:
How the fuck do vegans sustain themselves? And I'm not talking about getting enough protein, I'm talking about eating when you're not at home (or on the road, whatever the case may be) It's got to be fucking difficult. I'm thinking it might be impossible here in Oklahoma.
I gave up meat for lent a couple of years ago and it almost killed me. I've never eaten so many bean burritos and cheese pizzas.
My girlfriend is able to do it... She weighs 95 lb.s Unless you cook (and love cooking) it's nigh impossible. She makes dinner sometimes and it usually tastes pretty good, but it takes her all afternoon.
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My girlfriend is able to do it... She weighs 95 lbs.
What are you, bragging?
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My girlfriend is able to do it... She weighs 95 lbs.
What are you, bragging?
Great tenth post, Hotshot.
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My girlfriend is able to do it... She weighs 95 lbs.
What are you, bragging?
Great tenth post, Hotshot.
I am following this exchange very intently. Everywhere this guy goes, Stan is there.
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But TVD's 10th post is this:
I had this all typed up a couple of days ago and didn't post it because I didn't want to seem dense. I've stopped caring about that:
How the fuck do vegans sustain themselves? And I'm not talking about getting enough protein, I'm talking about eating when you're not at home (or on the road, whatever the case may be) It's got to be fucking difficult. I'm thinking it might be impossible here in Oklahoma.
I gave up meat for lent a couple of years ago and it almost killed me. I've never eaten so many bean burritos and cheese pizzas.
My girlfriend is able to do it... She weighs 95 lb.s Unless you cook (and love cooking) it's nigh impossible. She makes dinner sometimes and it usually tastes pretty good, but it takes her all afternoon.
Stan actually quoted Josh's 552nd.
I am confused. Yet again.
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My girlfriend is able to do it... She weighs 95 lbs.
What are you, bragging?
Great tenth post, Hotshot.
Not bragging, just saying she's not a healthy weight. Gettin' a lot of hostility on these boards, everyone's gotta start somewhere, right?
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Now where do you think all that hostility comes from?
Ponder...
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Now where do you think all that hostility comes from?
Ponder...
I'm not James! I'm a friend of James, moreso friend of Tom.
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No hostility here, TVD. Don't see why you'd deserve any, regardless of your association with James/Poughkeepsie. And I agree that your girlfriend is too thin--a point I didn't realize you were making until you spelled it out, since you also claim that she "sustains" herself. Apparently, you meant "just barely."
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My girlfriend is able to do it... She weighs 95 lbs.
PS - Wanna shoot me a .jpeg?
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No hostility here, TVD. Don't see why you'd deserve any, regardless of your association with James/Poughkeepsie. And I agree that your girlfriend is too thin--a point I didn't realize you were making until you spelled it out, since you also claim that she "sustains" herself. Apparently, you meant "just barely."
My mom's about 95lbs. But she's only 4'11.
Maybe friend of james is dating a teeny tiny lady
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My girlfriend is able to do it... She weighs 95 lbs.
PS - Wanna shoot me a .jpeg?
Not really. She's pretty tiny, though.
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Maybe friend of james is dating a teeny tiny lady
Yeah, I was going to qualify what I said but then didn't bother, since TVD seems to think she's too thin, and presumably he wouldn't feel this way if she were short and bird-boned.
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I had this all typed up a couple of days ago and didn't post it because I didn't want to seem dense. I've stopped caring about that:
How the fuck do vegans sustain themselves? And I'm not talking about getting enough protein, I'm talking about eating when you're not at home (or on the road, whatever the case may be) It's got to be fucking difficult. I'm thinking it might be impossible here in Oklahoma.
I gave up meat for lent a couple of years ago and it almost killed me. I've never eaten so many bean burritos and cheese pizzas.
My girlfriend is able to do it... She weighs 95 lb.s Unless you cook (and love cooking) it's nigh impossible. She makes dinner sometimes and it usually tastes pretty good, but it takes her all afternoon.
I'm sorry for getting hot under the collar about this, but this is just silly. It's not "nigh impossible" at all - I've been vegetarian for 20 years, and vegan for the last ten of them, and obviously not cooking myself every friggin' meal in that time; and if I haven't been personally weighing in on this, it's just that I'm a little tired of talking about it - especially around the holidays. So please forgive me, also, for that. But ultimately, it's a really simple equation: things to eat = everything except animal products, and it works really well for me.
:-*
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this is just silly. It' not "nigh impossible" at all -
absolutely. it's just a matter of cooking this recipe rather than that recipe... And of course it's easier to cook plant based foods than it is animal based foods. Forget about tofurkey and the like... It hardly takes all afternoon to cook a good pot of lentils with brown rice, or any number of vegetables, which you can steam, sauté... not to mention about a million ways to dress pastas with various sauces. ....yep. ::)
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I had this all typed up a couple of days ago and didn't post it because I didn't want to seem dense. I've stopped caring about that:
How the fuck do vegans sustain themselves? And I'm not talking about getting enough protein, I'm talking about eating when you're not at home (or on the road, whatever the case may be) It's got to be fucking difficult. I'm thinking it might be impossible here in Oklahoma.
I gave up meat for lent a couple of years ago and it almost killed me. I've never eaten so many bean burritos and cheese pizzas.
My girlfriend is able to do it... She weighs 95 lb.s Unless you cook (and love cooking) it's nigh impossible. She makes dinner sometimes and it usually tastes pretty good, but it takes her all afternoon.
I'm sorry for getting hot under the collar about this, but this is just silly. It's not "nigh impossible" at all - I've been vegetarian for 20 years, and vegan for the last ten of them, and obviously not cooking myself every friggin' meal in that time; and if I haven't been personally weighing in on this, it's just that I'm a little tired of talking about it - especially around the holidays. So please forgive me, also, for that. But ultimately, it's a really simple equation: things to eat = everything except animal products, and it works really well for me.
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don't apologize. I get annoyed just reading the title of this thread.
non vegans need to stop weighing in on how easy or hard it is to be vegan.
I've been vegan for three years and the only hard thing about it is dealing with non vegans and their questions or opinions of veganism.
If you're genuinely interested in becoming vegan, I'd love to answer questions but if its just to look at me like some kind of curiosity then you can go fuck yourself.
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Anyone here been to The Sunflower? (http://www.crystalsunflower.com/Vienna/index.htm)
Should any of you vegetarians find yourselves in Northern Virginia, this is the place. (It's mostly vegan, too.)
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If you're genuinely interested in becoming vegan, I'd love to answer questions but if its just to look at me like some kind of curiosity then you can go fuck yourself.
Why is curiosity a reason to go fuck ourselves?
So I guess since I don't want to become vegan there's something wrong with me asking "Where do you get most of your protein? Do you rely mostly on beans or do you dig all the soy products that are out there?" and also "Do you ever crave meat? I had a vegetarian friend who went back to eating meat after years of having a craving for a handburger. I'm wondering if those cravings happen to everyone..."
So I won't ask those questions...
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If you're genuinely interested in becoming vegan, I'd love to answer questions but if its just to look at me like some kind of curiosity then you can go fuck yourself.
Why is curiosity a reason to go fuck ourselves?
So I guess since I don't want to become vegan there's something wrong with me asking "Where do you get most of your protein? Do you rely mostly on beans or do you dig all the soy products that are out there?" and also "Do you ever crave meat? I had a vegetarian friend who went back to eating meat after years of having a craving for a handburger. I'm wondering if those cravings happen to everyone..."
So I won't ask those questions...
you're allowed to have your curiosity but you have understand that those kind of questions are not just curiosity. By having no intention of being vegan you're saying you have no intention of really understanding why we're vegan. Thats the problem I have.
So why are you asking these questions? its none of your business how i get protein and asking if i crave meat is a way of undermining me. these kinds of questions are meant to make us look stupid because you don't think what we're doing is right.
so yes. i stand by my statement.
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Meat, meat, meat, meat, meat, meat. And cheese. Also milk and ice cream. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM. Nummy.
Sorry.
Actually, it's really easy to get enough protein without animal products. For one thing, we don't need half as much as we consume. Americans overdose on protein; it's ridiculous. I make a sprouted whole grain bread two slices of which can provide me with half the RDA of protein. Last year, I went through a brief stretch of eating carefully, and just one or two small adjustments would have been required to make my diet completely vegan. I like the things on the list in my first paragraph too much to have done that, however, and so then and now I prefer(red) to continue to live with my hypocrisy instead (hypocrisy because all the reasons for eating vegan make perfect sense to me, and I frequently feel evil for eating the way I do).
That said, gosh, so much prickliness from you vegan folks! I'm sure it gets boring fielding questions from mystified meat eaters, but is this thread really so offensive? Or is it just a straw/camel kind of thing?
edit: Colin, I think the questions in this thread are prompted by people's thinking that this board is friendly enough for those who never felt comfortable asking the vegans in their lives what they want to know to think that now they finally have a chance to try to understand. I have no doubt whatsoever that erika had no intention to be undermining when she asked if you craved meat. I know if I asked it, it would reflect more a kind of wonder and respect that you can eschew something that I seem helpless to give up. And how you can assume that people are trying to "make [you] look stupid because you don't thing what we're doing is right" just mystifies me.
Maybe I better go sit in the dark, too.
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when did i say i disagreed with what you're doing???? show me that quote. and then get the fuck over yourself. i was genuinely curious.
just because i say something isn't for me, doesn't mean i'm saying it's wrong for all people.
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I don't mind the veganism, its the windmilling and kick-boxing that annoys me.
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If I'm being an asshole for not want to slaughter and torture animals then I guess I am.
sorry if that confuses you.
I'm not looking to piss everyone off but frankly I'm sick and tired of people acting like I'm the abnormal one.
also, there may be some meat eaters out there who do genuinely look at us with admiration and respect and all i have to say to them is "what are you waiting for?"
everyone else, keep it to yourself. I don't ask you how you can enjoying eating dead things, so stop questioning me.
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If I'm being an asshole for not want to slaughter and torture animals then I guess I am.
sorry if that confuses you.
I'm not looking to piss everyone off but frankly I'm sick and tired of people acting like I'm the abnormal one.
also, there may be some meat eaters out there who do genuinely look at us with admiration and respect and all i have to say to them is "what are you waiting for?"
everyone else, keep it to yourself. I don't ask you how you can enjoying eating dead things, so stop questioning me.
WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT
NOOO WE AIN'T GONNA TAKE IT
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Colin, no one is calling you an asshole because you disagree with animal slaughter.
But I think telling someone who is merely curious about a very different lifestyle from their own that they should "fuck off" is incredibly unkind and uncalled for.
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Aw, all this fighting on Thanksgiving, it's like the FOT are a real family!
If I can intervene here, although I do think Erika's inquiries are perfectly innocent, I also think context matters. There's a real difference between saying, "I'm considering vegetarianism and can someone help me out with some questions or resources" and asking, "how do you guys manage that?" By way of comparison, it would be pretty rude to ask a person in a wheelchair questions about their mobility unless you knew them pretty well, or to ask a gay person questions about their sex life, unless it was in some sort of fairly intimate or therapeutic context.
Though I do kinda think it's a little unfair that she/you is/are getting the brunt of a lot rage from a lot of other peoples' annoying questions. And Colin, assuming that you're interested in promoting veganism (which you might not be), don't you think it would be more constructive to point Erika or others like her to a web resource, like TL recently did with me about vegans and Guinness (thanks for that, TL, BTW)?
Anyway I think I'm going to go eat an orange. Feel free to ask me all about it later.
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Jasongrote-
You are really stepping up to the plate with your nice-guy business lately. Huzzah!
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Thanks, Forrest. I've been in a pretty good mood lately now that the show is over (though it might be transferring to an open-ended commercial run, everyone keep your fingers crossed) and I've had a few days off from teaching. This is, like, the regular me.
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By way of comparison, it would be pretty rude to ask a person in a wheelchair questions about their mobility unless you knew them pretty well, or to ask a gay person questions about their sex life, unless it was in some sort of fairly intimate or therapeutic context.
I should hedge my questions about someone's dietary habits they way I would treat a question about a disability (wheelchair) or their sex life, which is something uniquely personal? It's that sort of delicate topic?? You nice guys need to toughen up a bit.
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Anyone see Nightline the other night? It was about this guy called 'Fergus the Forager' AKA 'the Roadkill Chef' http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2985074&page=1 (http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2985074&page=1)
I consider myself a pretty hardcore vegan but I like what that guy's all about. heres his website - http://www.wildmanwildfood.co.uk/index.html (http://www.wildmanwildfood.co.uk/index.html)
For me the choice to become a vegan was for ethical reason and everything this dude does seems to be under that same credo but he takes it to the extreme!
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Anyone see Nightline the other night? It was about this guy called 'Fergus the Forager' AKA 'the Roadkill Chef' http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2985074&page=1 (http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2985074&page=1)
I consider myself a pretty hardcore vegan but I like what that guy's all about. heres his website - http://www.wildmanwildfood.co.uk/index.html (http://www.wildmanwildfood.co.uk/index.html)
For me the choice to become a vegan was for ethical reason and everything this dude does seems to be under that same credo but he takes it to the extreme!
who0aaaaaa, i'd be just like that guy if i didn't hate being outside so goddamn much.
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By way of comparison, it would be pretty rude to ask a person in a wheelchair questions about their mobility unless you knew them pretty well, or to ask a gay person questions about their sex life, unless it was in some sort of fairly intimate or therapeutic context.
I should hedge my questions about someone's dietary habits they way I would treat a question about a disability (wheelchair) or their sex life, which is something uniquely personal? It's that sort of delicate topic?? You nice guys need to toughen up a bit.
OK, then how about asking someone about keeping Kosher, or Halal? Wouldn't you handle that with a modicum of respect for the dignity of the person you're asking? The fact is, overreaction or no (and I thought it was - I was actually defending you) nobody likes to be treated like a curiosity. Let's take something completely neutral, like reading comic books - I would find it annoying if one person after another kept asking questions that made the normal set of assumptions about comic fans, like "when did you learn to read real books?" or "aren't you worried about getting laid?" In fact, I do find that annoying, but I spend so many of my waking hours in the company of other nerds that it rarely comes up.
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I DIDN'T TREAT HIM LIKE A CURIOSITY!
I asked two very legit questions. Not about his [personal] reasons for being a vegan. But I wanted to get a general feel for whether or not some vegans still enjoy the TASTE of meat (aka eating soy fake meat products vs beans and grains) because I know that when I go for vegetarian food, I *don't* go for those foods. I tend to eat the veggie burgers that don't taste like meat, because I'm looking for something different.
I was curious. If I kept kosher and people were curious about it, I would tell them and I wouldn't make them feel like a monster for asking about it. When I was the only jew of all my college friends, some of whom were religious christians, and they asked me questions, I answered them with respect. I didn't tell them to fuck off. And I was, most certainly, a curiosity to them.
I appreciate you defending me, Jason, but even comparing me asking a question like "Hey my buddy always used to crave meat -- do you have the same problem?" to asking someone about a disability, their sexuality or something rude like that still makes me feel like a dick. And I don't think I deserved that.
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I eat meat and fish, but I respect vegetarians and vegans and understand their dietary choices enough not to (backhandedly or otherwise) ridicule them for it (unless I have unwittingly done so, which might just be part of the issue here).
Seriously, though, can we add this one to the "can we stop.." file? Because the one thing I am taken aback about from this whole thread is the level of real anger flying back and forth. This is one of the only online forums I keep coming back to because of the respect people show each other here. This isn't the Noiseboard or Lemmingtrail, this is the FOT. Animosity is (or at least was) never an issue, and it fucking shouldn't be. We all should strive to keep it that way, regardless of what we choose or choose not to eat.
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(http://kickthebobo.com//trainwreck.jpg)
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(http://kickthebobo.com//trainwreck.jpg)
That's one way to stop it.
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Fellow FOTs, please stop fighting. You're tearing me apart! It is kind of a pain to have to answer questions about my lifestyle as a vegan but it doesn't offend me that someone is curious. If I don't feel like answering I don't. That's why I've stayed away from this thread. Asking a vegan or fruitarian or whatever about their lifestyle is not analogous to asking a homosexual or handicapped person personal pointed possibly painful questions. That's silly.
To answer the question about craving meat - I do not crave meat but I do get a mighty hankerin' for cheese and I haven't found a satisfying vegan alternative yet. Sometimes I'll dream that I have eaten meat and I get angry/disapointed with myself but then I wake up and am relieved it was all just a dream.
P.S. If you like/are interested in that Forager guy, you might be interested in freeganism. It sounds cool but I am too germaphobic to go rooting around in the garbage for my dinner.
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I respected vegans for their choice before this thread, now I hate them. All of them.
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To answer the question about craving meat - I do not crave meat but I do get a mighty hankerin' for cheese and I haven't found a satisfying vegan alternative yet. Sometimes I'll dream that I have eaten meat and I get angry/disapointed with myself but then I wake up and am relieved it was all just a dream.
Thank you Sploops. :)
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I third or fourth the general affection for the boards and the congenial atmosphere here, and I don't want to beat the topic into the ground. I actually don't even care that much. But, just for the sake of my own credibility, I do want to be clear that I wasn't accusing Erika of treating Colin or TL or any other vegan as curiosities. Nor did I mean to draw any kind of equivalence between veganism and disability, sexuality, or comic book fandom. I was just trying to explain why I thought Colin got so pissed off and assumed (possibly incorrectly) that I could do some sort of neutral peacemaker thing. I honestly don't think anyone's being a dick here, really.
Ugh. This is turning into one of those solipsistic threads about the thread itself. Fucking kill me now. Anyway, I'm out, I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving.
Though another thing I like about this board is that we're all pretty good at forgiving each other for being dicks once in a while, which I think is actually a much healthier attitude than some kind of oppressive niceness. So there's that.
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Shut up Lamont, you big dummy.
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Shut up Lamont, you big dummy.
Do not... take bait... Ng...
Aw, fuck, I posted. Thanks a lot, Lamont.
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Shut up Lamont, you big dummy.
Clearly I didn't mean anything by that, I was just padding out to this, my three hundredth post.
Thank you all for coming and good night.
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I was just padding out to this, my three hundredth post.
Amateur.*
*In this case, mind you, "amateur" may mean "saner person."
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Wow - I missed quite a hoe-down here yesterday, huh?
People - I'm sorry if I contributed to the contentiousness of this thread, but it's an example of why I was saying I'm tired of talking about it, and maybe that's irresponsible and avoidance on my part, but I just feel like it's not the right forum for something that gets so emotional for a lot of people - it's really hard to have a productive conversation about this that's not done face to face, and it's not like "vegan" was just invented yesterday, so I (and others, apparently) get touchy about the "how do you get your nutrients" and "don't you have cravings" questions, but at the end of the day, it's just ideological fatigue (with more than just "vegan issues") and thus, ultimately, laziness, I guess, that keeps me from giving a truly thorough answer here. So sue me - I'm lazy like everybody else.
But give Colin a break for these same reasons, please - it's 2007 and we still get looked at like freaks even by our closest friends sometimes, so...
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Yeah, it gets boring having to explain the same thing over and over again. I, for example, get tired of telling the story of why/how I ended up here. More recently, endlessly repeating the tragic tale of my finger got very tedious very fast.
I think a problem here, too, is that vegans make meat eaters feel a little defensive, and meat eaters do the same to vegans, so emotions run high very quickly. It's a grand illustration of how fucking difficult it is for people to get along and how miraculous it is that the human race hasn't killed itself off yet.
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look, I'm sorry this thread took went down this road. its mostly my fault i'm afraid.
I'm done posting on it so all i'm gonna say is I feel stupid for getting so serious on something thing thats supposed to be fun for all of us. FOTs need to stick together, I'm sorry for taking my frustration out on all of you. Thanksgiving can be a tense time for me.
anyone have any picture of cats to liven this shit up??
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You're a class act, Sarah.
And Colin? In honor of the biggest and dumbest shopping weekend of the year...
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Hey, my sister told me yesterday that apparently there's a plan afoot to make the Monday after Thanksgiving the Internet shopping equivalent of Black Friday. Doesn't that just warm the cockles?
P.S. Je rougis, TL.
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A warning to any vegans, vegetarians, and anyone with functioning tastebuds : I just opened a bag of Grandma Utz's Handcooked Potato Chips that someone here had purchased. I ate one chip and said hmm, this tastes like s-hit. Check the ingredients and it sez - cooked in lard. cooked in lard. lard. cooked in. who cooks with lard? the taste lingers on even after a strong ginger beer rinsing. I feel ill.
(http://www.taquitos.net/im/sn/Utz-GUPC.jpg) = (http://www.badmovies.org/sideshows/random/barf.jpg)
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I know what you Vegans are saying. I can't tell you how many times I have had to answer the question "How did you get so fat?" I mean, if you're not interested in being as fat as me, why should I share my strategies?
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the taste lingers on even after a strong ginger beer rinsing. I feel ill.
There are many BSB (Best Show Bit) references to GG Allin, here is documentation.
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I know what you Vegans are saying. I can't tell you how many times I have had to answer the question "How did you get so fat?" I mean, if you're not interested in being as fat as me, why should I share my strategies?
this is why Dave from Knoxville is a supercaller.
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I know what you Vegans are saying. I can't tell you how many times I have had to answer the question "How did you get so fat?" I mean, if you're not interested in being as fat as me, why should I share my strategies?
We should compare notes. And just you wait: in a little while I'm going to have a food report that will knock your socks off.
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I know what you Vegans are saying. I can't tell you how many times I have had to answer the question "How did you get so fat?" I mean, if you're not interested in being as fat as me, why should I share my strategies?
What I'm really interesting in are your strategies for looking like George Saunders in my mind's eye. Do tell!
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Here's that food report I promised. I quite like the hilarious inappropriateness of posting it in this thread. No offense intended, TL, Colin, Sploops, et al.
Here 'tis: Today, finding myself with some ganache on hand, I carried out the grand experiment of making a grilled bacon-almond butter-chocolate sandwich. Sorry to report that it was nothing special. Oh well, what's a little artery clogging in the name of food science?
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I know what you Vegans are saying. I can't tell you how many times I have had to answer the question "How did you get so fat?" I mean, if you're not interested in being as fat as me, why should I share my strategies?
Whatever, Dave. I didn't start this conversation and I've apologized and given my reasons for not really getting into it, but going with your own example here, you don't owe anyone an answer to that question or an explanation of your strategies, nor should people feel they have the right to expect one. The same applies to the actual situation at hand.
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I was joking. My strategies for getting this fat are public domain!
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I was joking. My strategies for getting this fat are public domain!
O.k. Sorry for reading too deeply.
You should think about selling those strategies, though...
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all you vegans talking about your way of life and argueing with the fine fine people of this board. well let me ask you this one.
whats the most a vegan ever lost in a coin toss?
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whats the most a vegan ever lost in a coin toss?
The privilege of being first in line to give you a noogie.