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FOT Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: John Junk on January 22, 2008, 06:03:48 PM
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That's sad. I wasn't really a fan, but this girl at the school I work at was actually in tears about it. Seemed like a good guy. I just heard about it and googled and saw those pictures of him as the joker. Yeesh! This is a pretty sad story.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01222008/news/regionalnews/heath_ledger_dead_916418.htm
This puts the new Batman in league with The Crow. Except Ledger's actually a real celebrity.
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this article does not mention that he was found in mary kate olson's apartment. scandalous, and morbidly fascinating. i need to take a breather on this whole celebrity gossip blog thing. i'm going to hell.
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The Old Grey Bearded Lady seems to think that the whole Mary Kate Olsen thing was not actually "true"
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/actor-heath-ledger-is-found-dead/index.html?hp
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Very sad.
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He was always in movies I usually wouldn't like but for some reason I did.
Not to make light of the situation but The Dark Knight is going to be HUGE....and it was already going to be huge.
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Poor thing. He was just a baby. Always sort of liked him, too. Ah well.
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That's sad. I wasn't really a fan, but this girl at the school I work at was actually in tears about it. Seemed like a good guy. I just heard about it and googled and saw those pictures of him as the joker. Yeesh! This is a pretty sad story.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01222008/news/regionalnews/heath_ledger_dead_916418.htm
This puts the new Batman in league with The Crow. Except Ledger's actually a real celebrity.
i was just talking the other day with someone about how the new Joker's make up looks really reminiscent of the Crow.
spooky.
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That really is spooky.
Something about that smudgy goth makeup. Beware.
BTW, for some reason I keep expecting something like this to happen to Jim Carrey, but he keeps bouncing back.
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Yeah I cried a little. I really liked him and when I was watching Brokeback I kinda thought he could have been the new Paul Newman or something... I remember thinking how much I was looking forward to seeing his whole career. And I don't usually sit around thinking about actors' futures.
Sad.
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I had to go down to that area of Manhattan after work, and it was awash with people.
I also just found out that the Westboro Baptist Church will be protesting his funeral.
This whole thing is really sad.
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I also just found out that the Westboro Baptist Church will be protesting his funeral.
I read that too.
I'm pretty sure those people have no souls.
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I had to go down to that area of Manhattan after work, and it was awash with people.
I also just found out that the Westboro Baptist Church will be protesting his funeral.
This whole thing is really sad.
what's they're reason?
because it was an OD? because it was a possible suicide? because they are miserable people?
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Get this: Because he made Brokeback Mountain
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ugh.
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More proof supporting my Scientologists-not-more-insane-than-crazy-christians theory.
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It wasn't even a real gay movie! It was written by a seventy year old heterosexual woman for The New Yorker originally. The adaptation was directed by Ang Lee, also hetero. The plot revolves around closeted gay rednecks, a subject matter 98% of the Westboro congregation is familiar with.
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It's no Lonesome Cowboys, but I really liked it. It's a great love story.
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More proof supporting my Scientologists-not-more-insane-than-crazy-christians theory.
Mmmm I still think they're more insane. But they're just a little bit more civilized and HUMAN than these people, who are going in my uber-hate pit. (bet you didn't even know I had one, didja? Well, I do. And they're in it.)
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The plot revolves around closeted gay rednecks, a subject matter 98% of the Westboro congregation is familiar with.
ZING!
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Maybe they're just actors playing homophobes.
I almost prefer batshit hatemongers like the Westboro Baptist types to the mainstream "hate the sin, love the sinner" fundies who mask the same kind of bigotry in more civil, politically correct discourse. Until, of course, they start shooting people.
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Apparently, he was to star in the new Terry Gilliam movie--"The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus" They just shut all production down.
Man, I feel like this guy was really on his way to becoming something fantastic. It's such a bummer. And poor Terry Gilliam. They keep shutting his movies down.
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I'm devastated, walking around in a daze. I'm trying to hold it together and carry on because I think that's what he would have wanted.
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I'm devastated, walking around in a daze. I'm trying to hold it together and carry on because I think that's what he would have wanted.
Queer.
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I'm devastated, walking around in a daze. I'm trying to hold it together and carry on because I think that's what he would have wanted.
Queer.
You totally went Brokeback Mountain on us...
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:( 1st Renfro now Ledger. Who's going to complete the celebrity death hat-trick? Britney? Lindsay?
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The triumverate's complete - you're forgetting Suzanne Pleshette!
http://news.google.com/news?client=safari&rls=en&q=suzanne+pleshette&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wn (http://news.google.com/news?client=safari&rls=en&q=suzanne+pleshette&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wn)
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In the interests of full FOT disclosure, I am a fully-vested Presbyterian. I have no interest in proselytizing, but if you're going to blanket hate people who attend church regularly, I guess I'm in your hate pit.
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In the interests of full FOT disclosure, I am a fully-vested Presbyterian. I have no interest in proselytizing, but if you're going to blanket hate people who attend church regularly, I guess I'm in your hate pit.
My boyfriend's episcopalian. I don't think anyone was getting on anyone else for being religious or even just observant. It's the crazies we're talkin about...
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In the interests of full FOT disclosure, I am a fully-vested Presbyterian. I have no interest in proselytizing, but if you're going to blanket hate people who attend church regularly, I guess I'm in your hate pit.
I don't blanket hate religious folks. I may dislike religious folks who interpret every verse and chapter of the Bible as literally true and directly from the mouth of God, but they're the people who think I'm condemned to hell. The pro-choice half-Jew Unitarian Universalist queer feminist OPTIMIST in me would like to believe these people are in the minority of American Christians, but I have a feeling that's not the case. Not everyone can be Tammy Faye.
Also, we're being generous if we're actually calling the Westboro group a church. There aren't more than 100 members in that organization, and half of them are directly related to the Phelps freaks. I think we can all agree that they're worthy of our scorn.
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Queer feminist optimists are my favorite kind of people!!! But you have to be careful; you're one short additional qualifier away from being declared officially "quirky".
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:( 1st Renfro now Ledger. Who's going to complete the celebrity death hat-trick? Britney? Lindsay?
I didnt hear about Renfro. Weird.
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Queer feminist optimists are my favorite kind of people!!! But you have to be careful; you're one short additional qualifier away from being declared officially "quirky".
She spins her own clothes, too.
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In the interests of full FOT disclosure, I am a fully-vested Presbyterian. I have no interest in proselytizing, but if you're going to blanket hate people who attend church regularly, I guess I'm in your hate pit.
what if you attend Jerk Church™, like me?
(http://kickthebobo.com//baby_main.gif)
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When I say "crazy christians" I don't mean, like, "Oh, those crazy christians!" I'm referring to particular individuals or groups within the massive christian world that are crazy. There is a history of very serious, intelligent, and very religious people in my fam (at least by Vatican II standards) and I certainly don't blanketly hate anyone who is christian or religious. In fact, I'm always finding myself defending religion in the face of dismissive postmodernist post-colonial theorists and the like at this goddamned art school. (and by goddamned I mean that God is sending all these queers to hell.)*
*That's not what I really meant.
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Yeah, ditto, JJ - I'm a dyed-in-the-wool secular humanist, but I really hate all that Dawkins/Hitchens atheist blowhardery. In some magazine a while back, Terry Eagleton - himself a Marxist scholar - did a great takedown of these guys, pointing out that their attacks on religion generally (and Christianity specifically) were addressed by theologians centuries ago.
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Terry Eagleton is the man. I read Literary Theory and it's one of the most helpful/best books I've ever read. Beyond Theory was a little too grouchy for me, but he brings up some solid points.
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Living in the Midwest, I've gotten to know my share of devout Christians. I've found most of them to be perfectly normal, friendly people - certainly not brainwashed or insane to any extent. It's forced me to re-examine some of my own prejudices toward people of faith. Like Jason, though, I can't stand militant atheists. Personally I go back and forth on the existence of a Supreme Being, but I think most atheist arguments are disingenuous, based more on the arguer's preconceived notions than anything else. I'd dare say that it's the most pious people who carry the most doubts about God's ways and means.
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I will take atheists over the Mitzvah Tank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitzvah_tank) any day, though. I always deny my Judaism when they ask me, but a (gentile) Slovakian friend of mine always says yes because he wants the free dreidels.
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You can't front on the young Lubavitchers that staff the mitzvah tanks, though. Experience has shown me they can spot a non-tefillin-wrapping Jew a block away.
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It's true. My friend John who, like me, is half-Jewish* but unlike me doesn't look it, told them "not today!" when they asked him if he was Jewish. Predictably, they had conniptions.
*Let it be known, I'm half-Irish but don't observe those holidays either
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I will take atheists over the Mitzvah Tank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitzvah_tank) any day, though. I always deny my Judaism when they ask me, but a (gentile) Slovakian friend of mine always says yes because he wants the free dreidels.
Wow, I didn't know about these. Do they also hand out FREE chocolate gelt??
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In the interests of full FOT disclosure, I am a fully-vested Presbyterian. I have no interest in proselytizing, but if you're going to blanket hate people who attend church regularly, I guess I'm in your hate pit.
what if you attend Jerk Church™, like me?
(http://kickthebobo.com//baby_main.gif)
Bobo, when is the Jerk Church (tm) Tank coming to Brooklyn?
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I will take atheists over the Mitzvah Tank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitzvah_tank) any day, though. I always deny my Judaism when they ask me, but a (gentile) Slovakian friend of mine always says yes because he wants the free dreidels.
Wow, I didn't know about these. Do they also hand out FREE chocolate gelt??
I'm floored that you don't know about these guys. I believe they do, but really I'm just going on my friend Pavol's say-so.
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Terry Eagleton is the man. I read Literary Theory and it's one of the most helpful/best books I've ever read. Beyond Theory was a little too grouchy for me, but he brings up some solid points.
Is this something a relatively well-rounded math guy like me should try to read?
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Dave, I'd suggest starting with his articles - if you Google his name and either Dawkins' or Hitchens' (if memory serves he goes after them both) you should be able to find that article. If you like that, well, dig in!
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I'd dare say that it's the most pious people who carry the most doubts about God's ways and means.
What about people who don't talk about their religion at all because they think it should be private?
Sorry folks, I'm an atheist. And I don't really discuss the fact that I am an atheist, mostly because people hear that word, and assume I'm completely valueless and all of my opinions are null and void. Something like less than 5% of people in the US describe themselves as not believing in any kind of god.
Though it doesn't play a role in my lack of belief in a god, I've been severely judged for it by all kinds of people. Most of which try to use my illness as a reason I should believe. I've been told (many times), 'No wonder you're sick. You need to pray.'
I want to make it clear that I'm not judging religion in it's entirety, by any means. I know religious people and I get along with them. Our friendship is based on things besides our spiritual beliefs.
I also know that religion or a lack of religion doesn't necessarily determine who a person is.
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I'm sorry you've been judged that way, Swiss. Just to confirm, I have no problem with anyone's faith or lack thereof - I know plenty of atheists and agnostics, and usually fall into the latter category myself. I guess I was thinking more of those whose atheistic arguments are based on false premises and presume believers to be stupid, delusional and anti-modernity. I don't believe you (or the majority of atheists!) fall into that category.
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A good percentage of devout Christians wish that non-Christians would ignore the crazy ones. Unfortunately, the Christian leaders in place are borderline crazy Christians that don't denounce them. But, you need to know that they are being denounced by pastors and followers who don't have as big of a voice. It's sad to me that crazy Christians have led to crazy Atheists and there's a whole lot of people in the middle asking what happened.
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Honestly, how can you ignore them? And why should you? They're dangerous. I don't tend to like to ignore danger....
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Honestly, how can you ignore them? And why should you? They're dangerous. I don't tend to like to ignore danger....
Yeah it's difficult to ignore them when they're involved in politics.
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It's sad to me that crazy Christians have led to crazy Atheists
Hm. You know... sometimes people get to where they're going on their own.
The religious shouldn't necessarily credit themselves with having had "religion gone crazy" create atheism, or "crazy atheists," as a simple reaction that, all other things being equal, wouldn't have happened otherwise. Unlike Sherri Sheppard, surely we all know that varying opinions on whether or not there is a god or gods have existed as long as humanity, which is longer than our modern religions.
Again - not passing any judgement here - just sayin'...
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Yeah, I meant no insult to atheism generally. Even when I agree with Christopher Hitchens, I hate him, especially for drunkenly vomiting all over the indoor/outdoor carpeting in my hate pit and not chipping in for the cleaning.
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Honestly, how can you ignore them? And why should you? They're dangerous. I don't tend to like to ignore danger....
Oh I know. I just wish they'd disappear.
I don't think there are that many "crazy" Christians in office. If a crazy Christian is somebody who is socially conservative then yeah there are tons. I don't think that makes them crazy though since a large percentage of the country have the same ideals. They just aren't the same ideals that you and I have. That's not crazy, that's democracy. You can't shove progressive thought down someone's throat just like you can't pound Christianity down someone's throat. But, neither side is crazy.
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But, neither side is crazy.
Or maybe both sides are crazy. haha
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Swissmiss is right. Funny thing about belief systems? No one's is right.
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Swissmiss is right. Funny thing about belief systems? No one's is right.
Does that mean that this bottle of whiskey here, is NOT gonna get me drunk? 'Cause that's pretty much all I believe in right now...
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I think KicktheBobo needs to come in here and start making fun of everybody.
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Swissmiss is right. Funny thing about belief systems? No one's is right.
I'm right: I believe I don't know.
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And yet you do know, Sarah. A mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in Lubec!
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Protesting anyone's funeral should be made illegal. It's somewhere around 1.5 steps below gravedigging on the offensive and/or shocking scale if you ask me. I even got mad when people protested Jerry Falwell's funeral. The person is dead. What are they protesting? I can only imagine a conversation between someone from Westboro Baptist Church and, say, someone they work with going something like this:
"So, you have big plans for this coming weekend?"
"Oh, just going to a protest."
"What are you protesting?"
"Someone that died"
".....Eh heh.."
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On a lighter note though, I think we can all find inspiration in the website of Stephen Baldwin (aka Stevie B!):
http://www.stephenbaldwin.com/bio.htm
I had no idea he was a born-again (or should I say born-anew?)
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awwww!!!!
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No one wants to be found dead in one’s apartment of a possible overdose, but if it should ever happen to me, I certainly hope it isn’t by my “massage therapist.”
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What about that nun that found pope John Paul the 1st dead, that was a bit scandalous.
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Well it wasn't me, if that's what you're implying. I'm not even a real nun.
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Puppy Bowl is just around the corner. I can't wait.
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Please keep this thread on topic!
If you don't I'm gonna have to start looking elsewhere for news. For example, have you guys seen this shocking development (http://tinyurl.com/24gnx6) regarding the late actor's relationship with Ms. Olsen?
I worked with that dog in a production of Tennessee Williams' Summer and Smoke.
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Protesting anyone's funeral should be made illegal.
I'm going to start protesting births. Who's with me?
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I just made the mistake of reading an article about the official ruling on the cause of Heath Ledger's death (I ghoulishly followed a link on my Google page), and if he didn't commit suicide I'm really annoyed with him. The death was ruled accidental, but he had OxyContin, Vicodin, Valium, Xanax, Restoril, and Unisom in his system--this at a time when he was suffering from pneumonia. If he wasn't trying to kill himself, he was a fucking idiot.
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or a fucking prescription-drug junky! (case closed)
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But an idiotic prescription-drug junkie (believe me, some are smarter than others).
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The only person I know who's on lots of conflicting prescription drugs is certainly unconsciously trying to kill himself.
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...OxyContin, Vicodin, Valium, Xanax, Restoril, and Unisom
Aren't these the lyrics to a Queens of the Stone Age song?
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I thought it was from "We Didn't Start the Fire"
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Granted: any junkie is at least unconsciously suicidal. Consciously, however, they are careful to varying degrees, and the more careful try to exercise some judgment in what they mix (something that can be done much more precisely when prescription drugs are involved).
It occurs to me, though, that I may be maligning Mr. Ledger: perhaps his brain was addled by the pneumonia.
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I'm just sad about it.
The fact that people can go to many different doctors and get oodles of prescription meds that have bad interactions with one another is a problem... you hope that the people taking them will know better, but that's not always the case.
What a waste.
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I have not the slightest doubt that Ledger knew that mixing them would get him high(er). He probably also knew doing so was dangerous and potentially fatal and chose to take the risk What he might not have known, however, is how having a compromised respiratory system might contribute to the danger, although he'd have to be pretty dumb (or feverish or jonesing too hard) not to figure that out. What I don't believe for a second is that this was a tragic case of someone not understanding that some or all the drugs in his possession might interact badly if taken together.
Don't get me wrong--I think it's too bad he died. But knowing how much he had in his system casts his death in a different light.
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A lovely tribute article by Rolling Stone. (http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/18355273/heath_ledger_1979_8211_2008)