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Title: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Andy on March 13, 2008, 12:29:17 AM
This is the only reality show I get excited about and this years crew seems like a bunch of bad asses.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: erika on March 13, 2008, 12:43:21 AM
It's fabulous. Salty food will get you kicked off every time. (especially if you go from no salt in the quickfire to uber salt in the challenge)
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on March 13, 2008, 07:39:52 AM
Richard Blais will win this. 

I was kinda hoping that GG "Glorified Nachos" Allin would get the boot, but as Erika said, salt errors will guarantee your demise.

Great first episode.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on March 13, 2008, 07:44:03 AM
What channel is this show on? 
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on March 13, 2008, 07:44:55 AM
What channel is this show on? 

Shout!  Haha!  Bravo -- new episodes every Wednesday at 10 p.m.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on March 13, 2008, 07:46:36 AM
Thank you, Omar.  I may check it out.  So far I've avoided all the Top Chefs, but since I've been enjoying the various Ramsay offerings (though I must say I'm getting very tired of the man), I'm thinking I might get a kick out of this.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: TL on March 13, 2008, 08:36:09 AM
Argh!  I don't even have a TV for the moment, let alone cable - I'm missing one of my favorite things!
There's a restaurant around the corner from me that apparently has one of their chefs in the show.  Maybe I should see if they're watching it in the place every week, or something.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Andy on March 13, 2008, 11:59:38 AM
I would normally be rooting for richard but that was a dick move taking the other guys dep dish pan so he could have a backup.

what a wacky sentence that was.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: argyle on March 13, 2008, 01:21:43 PM
Early impression: that guy Dale seems like a complete douche. He's acting like he's part of some cage match competition with his camo threads and weird, smoldering aggression.  Get over yourself, man.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on March 13, 2008, 01:24:56 PM
Early impression: that guy Dale seems like a complete douche. He's acting like he's part of some cage match competition with his camo threads and weird, smoldering aggression.  Get over yourself, man.

He's basically Hung Huynh (though I doubt his knife skills are as good) after a few shots of "B-12" from Brian McNamee.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Andy on March 13, 2008, 06:42:00 PM
we should have top chef chat.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on March 13, 2008, 07:44:41 PM
I was kinda hoping that GG "Glorified Nachos" Allin would get the boot

Haha! I liked GG, he'll be fun to have around. Bit of an oaf. Good natured. He'll take a bottle to the skull no doubt. I'm calling him GG from now on.

I already hate Dale and And-"fuckyoufucking shit cocksucker"-rew. Andrew seems like the guy who can't get through a "good morning" without cursing you out. He acts like a dork with Tourettes who thinks he's a b-boy. He looks most likely to stab someone by accident, by impulse.

I also have a good feeling about Richard Blais. I hope he opens up a BBQ-styled joint called Blaising Saddles.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on March 13, 2008, 08:00:43 PM
I agree, my Swedish friend! We're only one episode in, and I'm already sick of Andrew and his obnoxious mannerisms. As much as I dislike him, shame on Richard for taking two pans. Dick move indeed! Also, his mohawk is kind of sad looking. It looks like a cowlick! And he's wearing Crocs, so he can go directly into my Hate Pit.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Josh on March 13, 2008, 09:40:06 PM
Didn't you guys all come around to like the person you hated last time? The mousse dude.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Andy on March 13, 2008, 09:46:01 PM
two times ago. marcelle (sp?).  I still don't like him.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: TL on March 13, 2008, 10:17:14 PM
Are you kidding me??  Are we still on Marcel?  Ilan was the biggest dick of that season - hands down.
He was a friggin' child.
(And the amount of saffron he used was way out of line.)

I did see this weeks tonight, though.  It's always a tough call who to axe first, but I probably would've gone with the "piccata" guy.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Andy on March 13, 2008, 10:22:40 PM
yeah.  how could a guy who worked in restaurants all his life not know what picatta is?

I don't know why, I just didn't like marcel.  and I loved hung.  I usual root for the heel, I just didn't like marcel.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: TL on March 13, 2008, 10:30:38 PM
I feel you - I'm not sayin' I'm "pro-Marcel," but the way those jerks started treating him - talk about Lord of the Flies!  Ilan proved himself, time and again, to be such an immature little wanker that no matter how good his cookin' wound up being, I could never get behind him.  You know what the most important ingredient in any dish is?  Love.
 :-*
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Andy on March 13, 2008, 10:41:08 PM
this is the only show I get this fired up about.  i'm actually excited.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: argyle on March 14, 2008, 08:12:40 AM
Andrew needs to stop using a spatula to portion out his coke.  Go get a project-appropriate tool, man:  one of those little spoons.

re: Ilan, it's interesting how he has completely fallen out of the Bravo universe. It doesn't seem like he's invited back to those special events, or if he is, he's declining them. 

New York magazine had a big article about the generally high failure rate of the winners of the Bravo shows, and Tom C. was quoted as saying the chefs in the Marcel-Ilan season had a really low overall talent level.  Marcel was annoying, but Ilan was a stereotypical NYC hipster asshole who didn't have enough self-awareness to know how stupid and petty he seemed, even after the pre-finale break. His face needs some serious fist therapy. 
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: erika on March 14, 2008, 09:22:00 AM
I agree that the Piccata was a complete mess, but you can't serve salty food and her shrimp scampi didn't even have tasty sauce on it!

And for the record, I'm also a fan of GG even though he put mashed potatoes in a souffle. Even I know better than that! I hope he sticks around for a while. I like his Mr. Clean look and all the tattoos.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on March 20, 2008, 12:02:53 PM
Come on, guys! Comments on last night's episode?

It killed me that Cokeboy Andrew won. Also, I almost couldn't tell him apart from Spike this week.

GG kept it low - bet he's going home soon.

Dale is still a world-class jerk, even if he was right about the 'shrooms.

"They looked like something a bear would produce, not eat!" (Who fed her that line?)
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Andy on March 20, 2008, 12:05:49 PM
I haven't seen last nights show yet, but I'm rooting for Andrew.

I told you I like the heel.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: erika on March 20, 2008, 12:14:33 PM
Andrew is an ASS.

Also, am I the only person who has no desire to eat any kind of FOAM on my food? Foam is for beer... maybe a root beer float... but last night someone took delicious creamy goat cheese and turned it into "goat cheese foam".

I hope Richard gets the boot. Guy gets on my nerves. His food needs to TASTE good and not just be creative. I find his way of cooking pretentious. Eucalyptus and chicken doesn't sound like a good combination to me.

But maybe I just have no sense of adventure.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on March 20, 2008, 12:22:35 PM
Re: Richard - I hear you. What is this, science class? But I think he'll go far. Someone needs to bash some sense in him, 's all. (GG)
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on March 20, 2008, 02:41:39 PM
Okay, you got me hooked.  Thoughts, in no particular order:

What was with all the peaches during the quick-fire round?  Maybe they were just gorgeous that day, but it made for a lot of repetition.

Andrew is a jerk, but I think a lot of it is nervousness and insecurity.  I prefer him to many of the others, especially Richard, whom I cannot stand.  All those gadgets!  The whining when his fellow molecular gastronomist didn't vote for him in the quick-fire round!  His stupid food!  The way he combines incongruous elements for the sake of novelty reminds of the worst days of nouvelle cuisine.  I mean, come on:  eucalyptus and chicken?  (And that vapor business last week was just too pretentious for words.)  He also said he was preparing legs when he was clearly braising wings.  Probably just a slip of the tongue, but it annoyed me.

Dale's irascibility sort of entertains me, but he is a bit of a prick.  Still, Nikki seemed to be bossy, and I think she bullied Dale and Spike into letting those mushrooms through. But I mean, really?  No one thought to taste the damn things after the cheese was added?  All of 'em deserve serious demerits for that.

Valerie was an idiot for thinking she could make blinis ahead of time, as was Stephanie for mixing up her crab salad too early  These are basic mistakes that I wouldn't make. 

I thought the show itself faltered near the end.  First they haul the two worst teams in and rake them over the coals for the three bad dishes.  Then they call 'em back in again, rehash the dishes' flaws, and finally give someone the boot.  It seemed like they'd come up short contentwise and had to pad it out.  Sloppy.

I'm looking forward to next week.

Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on March 20, 2008, 03:10:00 PM
Compared to someone like Marcel from s2, Richard's molecular gastronomy is pretty restrained.  The vapor and eucalyptus were certainly unnecessary flourishes, but I approve of that little smoker and, at this point, an immersion circulator for sous vide is a pretty standard technique.  I seem to recall reading a lot of advance buzz on various Web outlets about the talent level of this season, but after two episodes nobody has been particularly impressive.  Also, there are clearly too many contestants.  I think "Memo" Trevino has received about 4 minutes of screen time so far.

GG will be gone next week, but he will quickly find work as a line cook at Trump's GG-themed casino in AC.  I wish Merle was on this season instead.  I'd love to see him singe his Hitler mustache on an errant flambé.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on March 20, 2008, 03:37:30 PM
I think GG should have his own diner.  It would be a very nice diner that served real food, and he would be the lovable tattooed hulk that the waitresses (all wearing old-fashioned waitress outfits) would good-naturedly rib.  He'd give food to the homeless and perhaps get in trouble with the health board at some point for adopting a cat and surreptitiously feeding it scraps in the kitchen.  All the Top Chef contestants would go there for comfort food after they're kicked off the show, and when Andrew is going through one of his periodic crashes, GG will feed him the right stuff to take the edge off (I don't know what that might be--perhaps banana splits or the like).
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Dorvid Barnas on March 20, 2008, 03:52:28 PM
I felt bad when Valerie got kicked off but I think it was just because she reminded me of Rachel Dratch.

Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: erika on March 20, 2008, 03:54:12 PM
They should have done the Debbie Downer noise when she started cooking the blinis ahead of time.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Andy on March 20, 2008, 04:34:45 PM
I felt bad when Valerie got kicked off but I think it was just because she reminded me of Rachel Dratch.


OH NO!!!! SPOILER!!!!!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Dorvid Barnas on March 20, 2008, 05:02:30 PM
I meant that Valerie got kicked off of her chair by the contestant who got eliminated.  They were a sore loser, that person I'm not naming.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on March 20, 2008, 05:23:17 PM
GOOD SAVE DORVID!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Andy on March 22, 2008, 11:35:38 AM
somebody should have gone home for those mushrooms caps.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on March 26, 2008, 04:20:13 PM
Damn you people for getting me interested in this show.  Bravo is repeating the series with Marcel and Ilan today, and because of you I have to watch it.  Caught just the last twenty minutes of the episode that featured dishes based on the Seven Deadly Sins, and my first impression is that Ilan is a total jerk (plus he served soggy funnel cake--as a garnish for cake).  Marcel was petulant but far less offensive, and at least his little cherry concoction looked tasty enough (I gather he's overly fond of foam, but I haven't had a chance to get sick of his obsession yet).  I did enjoy the way the judges rather amusedly commented on the sniping among the chefs but kept their focus on the food, where it belongs.

It's a relief finally to have some notion of what you were talking about.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on March 26, 2008, 05:42:21 PM
Tom Colicchio commented here (http://www.radaronline.com/features/2007/10/tom_colicchio_top_chef_craft_1.php) that the judging table can last until four or five in the morning. That's a bananacakes production schedule.

I thought that harridan Betty was worse than Ilan, but I really wound up hating pretty much everyone but Marcel that season. They were so junior high in the way they ganged up on that boy. It was shameful.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on March 26, 2008, 08:57:38 PM
In the twenty minutes I saw earlier (I plan to get back to work in a moment, but I got distracted by a very long bath), she certainly seemed like an ass:  first accusing Marcel of "snapping at her" when he plainly didn't, then bad-mouthing him to the judges, and then, after she's kicked off, going on and on about how blessed she is as death rays shot out of her eyes.  I'm glad I won't be seeing more of her.

When I was seventeen (claiming to be eighteen), I worked as the assistant cook at a little hotel in Maine.  The head cook was twenty-two, one of the two waitresses was twenty-four, and the other was nineteen.  Over the course of the summer, I became the victim of the two older girls, with the third--my roommate--being pleasant enough to me in private but joining in with the others when they were around.*  It's the one and only time I've been the butt of serious bullying and remains one of the most utterly miserable, soul-sapping experiences of my life.  If that's the kind of shit Marcel had to face, I'm behind him all the way.

*I'm pleased to say that, at the end of the summer, when the two villains decided to recast me as the golden child and turn on her instead, I did not go along with their poisonous game.  My roommate, who was utterly bewildered by the turnaround, at least had the decency to apologize to me for her behavior, although she did use the poor excuse "I didn't realize how awful we were being." 
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on March 26, 2008, 11:41:52 PM
The guest judge sounded like a muppet.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Andy on March 27, 2008, 12:04:22 AM
The guest judge sounded like a muppet.
you need to give us a heads up if you're going to be posting spoilers like this.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: erika on March 27, 2008, 12:09:25 AM
(http://individual.utoronto.ca/salvo/samflag.jpg)
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on March 27, 2008, 12:15:42 AM
The guest judge sounded like a muppet.
you need to give us a heads up if you're going to be posting spoilers like this.

He might have sounded more like a cartoon frog or duck! Idk!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: senorcorazon on March 27, 2008, 02:49:51 PM
Tom Colicchio commented here (http://www.radaronline.com/features/2007/10/tom_colicchio_top_chef_craft_1.php) that the judging table can last until four or five in the morning. That's a bananacakes production schedule.

I think that's a total lie -- the show is so very rigged by the producers (though I still love it). You always know that the first people off are going to be (in typical movie fashion): any black person, followed by any vegetarians, followed by almost all women on the show. Then, select one total jerk, one lovable guy, someone who is having a "personal crisis and trying to reconnect with the soul of cooking", a token woman (who is kind of steely and vaguely unlikable), and a technician and you've got your final five. My guess, following this: Andrew, Mark,  maybe Jennifer, Stephanie, and Richard. Prove me wrong, sweet Padma. 

I'm glad someone else got the Dratch connection. I'm also bothered by the Andrew because he looks a lot like a friend of mine  who is the nicest guy in the world and he's hard to watch his doppelganger be such a jerk.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on March 27, 2008, 03:07:01 PM
I'm also willing to say that last night's guest judge might have sounded a wee bit like someone doing an impression of Matthew Lisko.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: erika on March 27, 2008, 03:15:04 PM
Any black person? Have you been watching the show the whole way through? There have been plenty of black people who have made it through to almost the end... and plenty who have been kicked off as well. And they definitely deserved to be booted.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Andy on March 27, 2008, 03:21:53 PM
And they definitely deserved to be booted.

I think it's a little out of line to say that all black people deserve to be booted.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: erika on March 27, 2008, 03:26:13 PM
And they definitely deserved to be booted.

I think it's a little out of line to say that all black people deserve to be booted.

Oh do you, now, Andy? DO YOU?

Well then. I'll just let you sit over there and judge me then.

(pardon the extra capitalization. i have typing tourrettes. it's terrible I know.)
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on March 28, 2008, 08:56:54 AM
(http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8766/allinom6.jpg)

NEVAR FORGET :'(
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: erika on March 28, 2008, 10:00:17 AM
I do agree with him about mexican food. I hate when they try to take it upscale... a mexican "bistro"? Feh.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on March 28, 2008, 10:05:02 AM
Yeah, I hated that. I'm glad a couple of them dissed the very idea.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: senorcorazon on March 28, 2008, 10:12:20 AM
I do agree with him about mexican food. I hate when they try to take it upscale... a mexican "bistro"? Feh.

I thought that was a little stupid, but then I realized that his specialty at his restaurant was corndogs. The "Mexican" food we get in the states is not really Mexican, and yes, trying to make Taco Bell upscale would be dumb. And yes, only a bistro should be called a bistro. But Mexican cuisine has a full scale of difference.

 
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: senorcorazon on March 28, 2008, 10:15:57 AM
Any black person? Have you been watching the show the whole way through? There have been plenty of black people who have made it through to almost the end... and plenty who have been kicked off as well. And they definitely deserved to be booted.

Tre made it pretty far and Cliff made it pretty far but then had that whole choking thing go down.

All I'm saying is that the eliminations seem a little too scripted sometimes.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on March 28, 2008, 01:15:46 PM
"I chose not to know anything about the chefs beforehand because I wanted to go in with a completely clean slate, but Ryan had worked in our kitchen at one time and I sort of recognized him, but when he was presenting his dish to me in the Quickfire Challenge he brought up the fact that he’d worked in our kitchen for a day or two, and he did it in a total brown-nosey way, and I was so taken aback because then I remembered him and I remembered that I didn’t really care for him." -- Rick Bayless (http://www.bravotv.com/Top_Chef/season/4/blogs/index.php?blog=guest_judges_blog&article=2008/03/rick_bayless&page=1)
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on April 03, 2008, 07:23:40 AM
Mark trying to get Ryan to do a dish based on Bad Boy Bubby (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Boy_Bubby) = hilarious.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on April 03, 2008, 08:25:43 AM
Yeah, that was fun. Ryan is a real meathead.

Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on April 03, 2008, 09:53:15 AM
"I chose not to know anything about the chefs beforehand because I wanted to go in with a completely clean slate, but Ryan had worked in our kitchen at one time and I sort of recognized him, but when he was presenting his dish to me in the Quickfire Challenge he brought up the fact that he’d worked in our kitchen for a day or two, and he did it in a total brown-nosey way, and I was so taken aback because then I remembered him and I remembered that I didn’t really care for him." -- Rick Bayless (http://www.bravotv.com/Top_Chef/season/4/blogs/index.php?blog=guest_judges_blog&article=2008/03/rick_bayless&page=1)

Was it Ryan who also worked for Blanois Boulud? Not Richard, the one who said he only worked for a brief moment with Blanois because "that wasn't [his] style."

I liked their A Christmas Story dish. It was classic and cute and held true to the spirit of the movie.

White chocolate, tapioca pearls, and salmon. Oh barf.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on April 03, 2008, 09:56:09 AM
Yes, that was Ryan!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: erika on April 03, 2008, 10:01:03 AM
They did the tapioca pearls last week too! I hate how the judges were so in awe of that.

One trick pony, that Andrew.

One half of the lesbian couple needs to go home next week. I think we all know who it is...

Also, I want to eat that little dumpling with the short ribs and carmelized apples. NUMMY!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on April 03, 2008, 10:05:24 AM
Yeah, Ryan is a lunkhead. 

I'm sorry, if unsurprised, that Manuel was kicked off.  He was the most courtly of the bunch.  I know this has nothing to do with food; I just appreciated his good manners.

I hate that I get distracted by the contestants' looks and behavior.  I know I would like Richard much more if he did his hair differently--although I would still have trouble with his gadgets and self-conscious creativity.  Too bad he's going to win.

That Stephanie is proving herself to be a reliable little cook.  Of course, it appears that she's being groomed as the token female for the later rounds, so I may be responding to the biased way she's presented.

You know, if Lisa and Zoe had mentioned the fact that the two strong, vibrant women in Talk to Her are comatose, the judges might have thought more  highly of the way their dish represented the movie.

Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on April 03, 2008, 10:44:56 AM
Also, I want to eat that little dumpling with the short ribs and carmelized apples. NUMMY!

I hate using this word, but that dumpling looked hecka scrumptious. (The word I hate using is "scrumptious" by the way. I think you all know by now that I have no problem using "hella" and its variations.)
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on April 03, 2008, 10:52:45 AM
Dear Zoi,

If Daniel Boulud and every other person at the table likes it, it's probably not gross.  Start bringing it.

-o.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on April 03, 2008, 11:12:09 AM
What's the name of that gal who never ceases to go on and on about how mac & cheese, lasagna and every other goddamn kind of pasta is "just her thing", "where she's from", etc? We get it, you're Italian! Pasta is awesome! How about you start making something else for a change?!

I don't like her is what I'm saying
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on April 03, 2008, 11:18:15 AM
Nikki or Nicki. Maybe she should stick with pasta, because those stuffed mushroom caps she made looked and apparently tasted vile.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: erika on April 03, 2008, 11:58:32 AM
My prediction for the final four:

Richard (blah)
Dale
Andrew
Stephanie
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on April 03, 2008, 01:03:59 PM
Exactly what I'm thinking, erika.  I'd much rather Dale or Stephanie win than either of the other two, but they won't.  As Omar predicted at the start, Richard will win.  And it'll probably come down to a face-off between him and Andrew.

Didn't everyone just love Andrew's suggestion that his group impersonate Oompa-Loompas when they served their dish?  So clever, n'est-ce pas?
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on April 03, 2008, 01:13:46 PM
Speaking of Richard, has anyone seen the Iron Chef America episode where he lost to Batali in a chickpea battle?  I heard Dick got trounced.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on April 03, 2008, 02:04:47 PM
Regarding Andrew: I DON'T GET IT! How can a meth head possibly hold his hands steady enough to sauce a plate properly?

It's a mystery!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on April 03, 2008, 02:11:13 PM
I believe meth heads are known for their focus as long as they're not jonesing.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: erika on April 03, 2008, 02:28:18 PM
I also keep thinking about that quail egg roll and how much I want to chomp on it.

Greg watches with me and is horrified how the chef's food is picked apart, even though he realizes that's the point of the show. He says the judges are "mean" and he would never be able to make them feel so small for something silly like not putting enough salt in a dish or for shitty presentation. (He also eats sandwiches from 7-11 on a regular basis and has, on multiple occasions, tried to serve me chicken without ANY type of seasoning on it for dinner. So he has no pallette whatsoever.)

But Sarah, he had the same response to Manuel being kicked off. He was sad because Manuel "seemed like a gentleman of good character" and he felt bad for the guy.

I told him it's all in the game...

My poor sensitive boyfriend. Aw.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on April 03, 2008, 02:37:14 PM
I don't get Andrew either. To further confuse me: in the first two episodes (the first one in particular) he came across as an insane coke/meth/ADHD head who was also a nutcase childish blowhard. Now, he's on the winning teams? He's working with people? He's not picking fights? He gets along with the others? They don't shank him? What's going on here? I think maybe in the first episode he was coming down from a final binge rush, and now he's worked himself almost clean. Top Chef is his detox.

One more thing: I laughed when Mr. Pedestrian himself, Richard Roeper, said that thing about "well, I don't agree with all these experts - I love it!".
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on April 03, 2008, 05:49:38 PM
I kind of like Roeper, even if I don't agree with him 80% of the time.

I was also sad to see Manuel go. He was so nice and respectful in his farewells to his fellow contestants and in his goodbye interview! What a sweetheart.

Next week: Bitchery! Snakery! Hiss! Hiss!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Andy on April 05, 2008, 10:30:23 PM
it might just be that I'm hungry, but the dishes from this weeks show looked terrific.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on April 10, 2008, 09:27:39 AM
1.  Anyone but Richard would have been kicked for not scaling the salmon properly.  That said, I'm not sorry to see Zoe go.

2.  People swear too much.  And since Bravo bleeps out cursing, it's even more distracting.  Besides, it's lazy.

3.  I don't want to see faux caviar again.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on April 10, 2008, 12:26:03 PM

2.  People swear too much.  And since Bravo bleeps out cursing, it's even more distracting.  Besides, it's lazy.

Colicchio agrees (http://www.bravotv.com/Top_Chef/season/4/blogs/index.php?blog=tom_colicchio&article=2008/04/its_elementary_watson).

Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: ughwhy on April 11, 2008, 10:32:10 AM
That fight at the end of this week's episode was completely incomprehensible with all the bleeping and the quick editing. One of the few times I actually wanted a talking head to explain what the hell was going on.

I'm getting sucked into the Elizabeth Berkley dance show. Dancers are so accustomed to taking abuse & choreographers are so used to dishing it out--the stuff that gets said at judging is completely astonishing. Plus Jerry Mitchell doing his best Tim Gunn.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Miss on April 11, 2008, 01:43:06 PM
Richard Blais will win this.

That's my first impression, as well.

I agree that the Piccata was a complete mess, but you can't serve salty food and her shrimp scampi didn't even have tasty sauce on it!

And for the record, I'm also a fan of GG even though he put mashed potatoes in a souffle. Even I know better than that! I hope he sticks around for a while. I like his Mr. Clean look and all the tattoos.

As soon as she said what her shrimp sauce was, I said, "Ewww." aloud. Just didn't seem to work together at all. I can't remember what it was now. I too was a fan of GG, but knew he had to go early. He cooked bad homestyle type food, which isn't necessarily bad to normal people.. But those judges are BRUTAL. He just couldn't last.

As for Andrew - he gave me a bad first impression, but I actually like him now. He reminds me of annoying people I know that I can only handle sparingly, but are still nice / funny people. Also, when responding to any of the chefs (not contestants) comments about his food, he seems really genuine. You can tell when he's genuinely disappointed, when he makes a mistake he handles it well. And even better, you can tell when he's sincerely grateful by something they said about his food. I like that.

Erika - NO FOAM. I don't get it.

As for Zoi - It was about time she went home. wasn't it like four near eliminations in a row or something?
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on April 11, 2008, 03:43:14 PM
I'm getting sucked into the Elizabeth Berkley dance show. Dancers are so accustomed to taking abuse & choreographers are so used to dishing it out--the stuff that gets said at judging is completely astonishing. Plus Jerry Mitchell doing his best Tim Gunn.

I KNOW. I love it too.

I haven't heard anything horrible from the judging panel, but I did watch that "Make Me a Supermodel" UK marathon wherein a dead-eyed Rachel Hunter, a trollish modeling agency owner, and Zippy the Pinhead heaped abuse on a lady for being too fat (size 12UK/8-10 US). Uh... Why'd you cast her if you didn't want her to win, smart guys? And why did you send them out to pubs and fancy restaurant and supply them with a near limitless supply of alcohol if you didn't want them to put on weight? Assholes. So, as the judging panel calls this poor girl a fat, ugly slob who doesn't deserve to be there (again, you cast her... why?), they praise this clinically underweight teenage girl for having the ideal body.

(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/11/jen261106_228x1027.jpg)
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on April 11, 2008, 05:22:48 PM
I'm getting sucked into the Elizabeth Berkley dance show. Dancers are so accustomed to taking abuse & choreographers are so used to dishing it out--the stuff that gets said at judging is completely astonishing. Plus Jerry Mitchell doing his best Tim Gunn.

I KNOW. I love it too.

I haven't heard anything horrible from the judging panel, but I did watch that "Make Me a Supermodel" UK marathon wherein a dead-eyed Rachel Hunter, a trollish modeling agency owner, and Zippy the Pinhead heaped abuse on a lady for being too fat (size 12UK/8-10 US). Uh... Why'd you cast her if you didn't want her to win, smart guys? And why did you send them out to pubs and fancy restaurant and supply them with a near limitless supply of alcohol if you didn't want them to put on weight? Assholes. So, as the judging panel calls this poor girl a fat, ugly slob who doesn't deserve to be there (again, you cast her... why?), they praise this clinically underweight teenage girl for having the ideal body.

(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/11/jen261106_228x1027.jpg)

oh, what do you mean...she's not underweight.  she obviously has a weird fin disease.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on April 24, 2008, 07:56:00 AM
"The asparagus were supposed to be erect?"

Let's get this thread going again!

Also: next week I will start a new Top Chef drinking game.  Every time Lisa says "f--ked" I will chug a Michelob Ultra Lime, which, sadly, appears to be the brew of choice for the show. 
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on April 24, 2008, 09:54:03 AM
1.  Richard may be a decent chef, though a little too self-consciously quirky for my tastes, but I hated that he described himself as very witty.  That's almost as bad a Tracy Ullman calling herself an old soul.

2.  Dale couldn't make his own curry without a machine?  Pathetic.

3.  I wanted Spike and Andrew to win, even though Dale and Richard's dish was more original.  I mean, Colicchio called it the most perfectly seasoned dish that had been prepared thus far--doesn't that merit a top score?

4.  I want a Vita-Prep blender.  Robot Coupes look pretty nifty, too.

5.  I hate all the contestants.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on April 24, 2008, 10:13:22 AM
How about the interview clips where Richard's faux-hawk was, for lack of a better term, flaccid.  Yikes. 
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: erika on April 24, 2008, 10:55:47 AM
1.  Richard may be a decent chef, though a little too self-consciously quirky for my tastes, but I hated that he described himself as very witty.  That's almost as bad a Tracy Ullman calling herself an old soul.

I actually almost yelled at my TV when he did that.

It's like someone saying "I've got a great personality, you guys". Ugh.

Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on April 24, 2008, 11:57:24 AM
How about the interview clips where Richard's faux-hawk was, for lack of a better term, flaccid.  Yikes. 

Haha! I loved that! What an idiot!

I like Dale more and more.  :o
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on April 25, 2008, 12:09:40 PM
yikes is an understatement, omar.  and michelob ultra lime...i know, its sad.  but why are you punishing yourself?



p.s. dale, spike, and andrew=new favorites...lisa and jennifer=too bitter and negative, vote 'em off!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on April 25, 2008, 05:21:21 PM
I want to yank out Lisa's stupid eyebrow ring so badly!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: erika on April 30, 2008, 10:03:09 PM
I'm watching this right now and if I had a shirt that said "Team Stephanie" I would be wearing it. True story.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on May 01, 2008, 07:52:42 AM
I'm watching this right now and if I had a shirt that said "Team Stephanie" I would be wearing it. True story.

"Stephanie: Peanut butter, tomato, chicken, and couscous, actually sounds bad but tasted great. She put combinations together like a child would but it had great flavor." -- Art Smith (http://www.bravotv.com/Top_Chef/season/4/blogs/index.php?blog=guest_judges_blog&article=2008/04/art_smith) on Stephanie's Elimination Challenge dish. 

Very odd that they did not air any of his positive comments about this dish since Tom and Gail essentially ripped it as being disgusting.  I think the only thing I heard Smith say about it was that the couscous was a "pile of mush." 

In the same interview, Smith says that Mark's curry had "nice flavor."  How did Lisa survive this one? 
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: erika on May 01, 2008, 09:58:56 AM
Eh, I think they just had it in for Mark.

I was worried though. Stephanie totally missed the mark on kid-friendly food.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: senorcorazon on May 01, 2008, 03:26:08 PM
select one total jerk, one lovable guy, someone who is having a "personal crisis and trying to reconnect with the soul of cooking", a token woman (who is kind of steely and vaguely unlikable), and a technician and you've got your final five. My guess, following this: Andrew, Mark,  maybe Jennifer, Stephanie, and Richard. Prove me wrong, sweet Padma.

Crap - I'm down another!

PS - Why oh why has someone not done a March Madness style bracket for this show?!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on May 01, 2008, 04:08:33 PM
Swap Dale for Mark and Antonia for Jennifer, and you've got it.

I liked Dale again this episode, but I see from the coming attractions that he's due for a tantrum next week.

Nikki makes the cut once more--amazing.  Her meal seemed pleasant enough, but I think it's ridiculous that the story she told about its origins should have counted in its favor.  It also annoyed me that she was also the only one who didn't let her kid talk when Tom asked what was what in the kitchen.

Mark deserved to go: he should have been able to do more for ten dollars, curry was a silly choice for this challenge, neglecting to provide a reasonable amount of protein in the dish was dumb in this context, and at least some of the judges didn't think much of the flavor.

Did everyone love Richard's statement that he wanted to go home and make babies, "little Blaises"? 

Note:  All the cooking shows I've been watching lately inspired me today to make my own panko breadcrumbs (a term that bothers me for the same reasons "shrimp scampi" does).  I'm going to use them to bread some pollack this evening.  I wonder if I'll be a convert to their virtues or decide all the hype about them is, well, hype?
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: erika on May 01, 2008, 04:17:02 PM
Panko's ok. Nothing spectacular. I prefer cornflake crumbs. Salmon, egg, yellow mustard, cornflake crumbs, and some onion make fabulous salmon cakes. Bread them in more crumbs and fry them in a little oil.

Delicious and way cheaper.



Richard is growing on me. Naturally, if he talked less I would like him more.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on May 01, 2008, 04:25:09 PM
I've always used fresh crumbs made with my own bread.  As far as I can tell, the only difference between them and panko is that they are made by chopping, while  panko are made by grating.  So, to make them all I needed to do was use the grating attachment on my ancient Cuisinart instead of the blade.  They do seem much airier.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Andy on May 01, 2008, 04:59:02 PM
andrew. andrew. andrew. andrew.

I knew you guys would come around.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on May 01, 2008, 10:08:26 PM
Hmmmm. He was 200 lbs. Now he's a skinny, twitchy dude. I'm still assuming he's a total meth head!

I liked Mark and wanted him to stay. I'm sorry, but a dish that has good flavors trumps a dish that's bland and flavorless. Also, the more I see her sour face, the more I want to reach through the television screen and yank out that stupid little eyebrow. HAAAAAATE. And I suspect the editors hate her, too, because why else would they open the show with her looking awful and sucking on a cigarette? High five, editors!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: erika on May 01, 2008, 10:24:47 PM
Andrew said "Culinary boner"
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on May 02, 2008, 02:39:36 AM
Hmmmm. He was 200 lbs. Now he's a skinny, twitchy dude. I'm still assuming he's a total meth head!

He's on a meth diet!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on May 08, 2008, 01:39:02 PM
Thrilling episode! Right contestant to go! (Finally!)

I got a big laugh out of Andrew when he said he could stay up all night, no problem. Yeah, no shit no problem for you, mister 24/7-coke-meth dude!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on May 08, 2008, 01:46:27 PM
Thrilling episode! Right contestant to go! (Finally!)

I got a big laugh out of Andrew when he said he could stay up all night, no problem. Yeah, no shit no problem for you, mister 24/7-coke-meth dude!

He said "culinary boner" again!

Richard is about 4 million times better than anyone else on the show at this point.  If Stephanie can regain her earlier form, she is a legit contender, but I think he'll have to set himself ablaise with his smoker to lose. 
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on May 08, 2008, 01:57:14 PM
He's also the most professional of the bunch, and a solid team player (even if he tends to dominate). He never loses his cool and is seemingly very organized and open to most challenges. I think stuff like that matters in the long run. His fancy-pants behaviour in the first couple of episodes is also much more toned down now.

He will have to accidentally brutally cut off his own head while combing his faux-hawk to lose at this point.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on May 08, 2008, 02:11:52 PM
I got a big laugh out of Andrew when he said he could stay up all night, no problem. Yeah, no shit no problem for you, mister 24/7-coke-meth dude!

I KNOW! I thought the same thing! Meth-heads can stay up for weeks on end.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on May 08, 2008, 03:37:59 PM
Yeah, I'm liking Richard more, partly, I think, because he's a little more humble these days.  I also choose to believe that giving his win to Stephanie was at least halfway sincere (and I think it was quite proper of her to accept but offer to share).

Chance--if chance it truly was--certainly skewed the teams, didn't it?  The four strongest against the four weakest (although Dale is arguably better than or at least as good as Andrew).

I'm hoping Spike is the next to go.  Lisa is annoying, but he's worse, particularly because he thinks he's so charming.

Did anyone notice the absolutely enormous bite of cake Colicchio wolfed down?
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on May 08, 2008, 03:46:31 PM
Did anyone notice the absolutely enormous bite of cake Colicchio wolfed down?

(http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/8526/col1qe1.jpg)

(http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5536/col2ct6.jpg)

(http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/1003/col3dp0.jpg)

(http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3415/col4jt6.jpg)

Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on May 08, 2008, 03:49:09 PM

Did anyone notice the absolutely enormous bite of cake Colicchio wolfed down?


I thought Gale Gand was going to have to administer abdominal thrusts.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on May 15, 2008, 07:35:46 AM
Lisa thinks the personalities of some of her competitors "suck ass." 
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: erika on May 15, 2008, 08:26:02 AM
No more culinary boners!

Stephanie Dale and Richard will be in the finale.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on May 15, 2008, 08:49:49 AM
Lisa thinks the personalities of some of her competitors "suck ass." 

I KNOW. Projecting much, Lisa?
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on May 15, 2008, 09:51:54 AM
Spike denounced Richard's repeated queries of "Question of the Day: Do you like burritos?," but I found it amusing in a vaguely Wursterian way, echoing Zebe's recent "Do ya love Deicide?"

They should have just eliminated Meth Boy, Spike, and Lisa last night, and let the remaining quartet battle it out for a few extra weeks.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on May 15, 2008, 09:58:58 AM
From the New York mag "Grub Street" blog:

Platt: That was a fearsome smackdown of the loathsome Lisa there at the end. You have to give the producers credit for breeding such discontent and hatred among the kitchen slaves.

Platt: Why the noodle-headed Spike survived is, again, a mystery to me. Chicken salad with olives and grapes?!?!

Ozersky: I know! It's like they're determined to have the most unjust ejection every week.

Platt: As usual, on this show, only the loathsome, and the truly talented, survive. If the producers are lucky, they’ll get both qualities in one character, à la that feckless midget, Dale.

Ozersky: That's all right for Dale, but what cause can there be for The Gorgon continuing to haunt me from week to week? Do you really believe someone else burned her rice? That was projection at its most naked.

Platt: The Gorgon survives to haunt us all, my shaggy friend! She is evil incarnate! Pulling that “who turned up my stove and screwed up my already shitty and unredeemable rice dish” was particularly low.

Platt: But who was that giant-size guest judge with all the thumb rings? He looked like he’d just emerged from some alien spacecraft.

Ozersky: That was former cheftestant Sam Talbot. That's why no one seemed to care what he thought about anything.

Ozersky: By the way? Could the food have been less appetizing-looking? Who the hell watches a show like this to see vegetarian sushi wraps? Get back to real cooking, you nimrods!

Platt: Get back to real cooking, you nimrods!

Ozersky: I would ask you who's going next, but obviously, this show has lost all sense.

Platt: I say it’s Spike or the Gorgon for the glue factory. But I’ve been saying that for weeks now.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on May 15, 2008, 10:39:13 AM
They should have just eliminated Meth Boy, Spike, and Lisa last night, and let the remaining quartet battle it out for a few extra weeks.

My feelings exactly.  The next couple of weeks are going to remind me of playing out a game of solitaire whose conclusion is already clear.  I'll be glad when they're over and we've seen the last of sneaky Spike and unpleasant Lisa.

I'm happy today because Bravo's replaying most of season 3, so I can have another marathon.  I already know who won, but no matter.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: dave from knoxville on May 15, 2008, 11:32:56 AM
I want to yank out Lisa's stupid eyebrow ring so badly!

I want to do that with every single eyebrow ring I ever see. I want people to start super-gluing marbles to their face next to demonstrate their "individuality". Yah, like no one else is doing that, you ground-breaker!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on May 15, 2008, 12:37:52 PM
Oh, Dave, I don't have a problem with piercings and tattoos. I intend to get at least eight bird tattoos, probably worked into a sleeve/backpiece/chestpiece combo. It will be glorious. I'm going to wait until I'm a little older, but this is something I've wanted for several years now. I also used to have a scrumper piercing. Wheeeeee.

Seriously, though, eyebrow piercings are extremely passé. Septum piercings, like Scarlett Johansson's, continue to be popular.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on May 15, 2008, 12:45:56 PM
I dislike piercings, tattoos, fancy hairdos, attention-seeking makeup/clothing--indeed, exhibitionism in pretty much all its forms.  Whether a particular manifestation is passé or not doesn't concern me. 

I don't mean this as a slam against you, Laurie.  Just shaking my curmudgeonly cane again.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: dave from knoxville on May 15, 2008, 12:49:02 PM
I dislike piercings, tattoos, fancy hairdos, attention-seeking makeup/clothing--indeed, exhibitionism in pretty much all its forms.  Whether a particular manifestation is passé or not doesn't concern me. 

I don't mean this as a slam against you, Laurie.  Just shaking my curmudgeonly cane again.

As usual, Sarah, I think I love you.

So what am I so afraid of?
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: erika on May 15, 2008, 12:59:46 PM
I think tattoos are pretty. I have a bunch of little hidden ones... they're super cute.

I can't bring myself to get any that anyone could actually see when I was fully clothed. I think it has something to do with my father's reaction to them. I can't stand to see the man disgusted with me and he was NOT happy about the first one.

That eyebrow ring is atrocious though. I'm not a big fan of any piercings other than an occasional nose sparkle, earrings, and MAYBE a belly button ring.

I am also not a fan of people who say "Bro". (spike)
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on May 15, 2008, 01:18:48 PM
So what am I so afraid of?

My cane?
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on May 15, 2008, 07:02:01 PM
They should have just eliminated Meth Boy, Spike, and Lisa last night, and let the remaining quartet battle it out for a few extra weeks.

My feelings exactly.  The next couple of weeks are going to remind me of playing out a game of solitaire whose conclusion is already clear.  I'll be glad when they're over and we've seen the last of sneaky Spike and unpleasant Lisa.

Omar is a wise man.

But I was still surprisingly disappointed seeing Andrew leave, I hate the other two jerks and would rather have seen either of them go. And to think I used to hate Andrew! He's like co-cain - you learn to like it. But ew brother, his food looks awful for the most part.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on May 15, 2008, 07:04:16 PM
Yeah, I would rather have seen either of the other two go, but he really lost that challenge resoundingly. 

Season 3 is coming along nicely.  I was sorry to see soft-spoken Tre go.  I like little Hung (he reminds me of my cat Cruz).  And I want to kick Howie's teeth in.  So, fun.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on May 15, 2008, 07:33:59 PM
Sarah, I ate at Howie's restaurant several times before Top Chef 3 aired, since it's only a few minutes away from my place. Then I watched him sweat into all of his food and gagged at the thought of consuming his special seasoning (sweat, you preverts!)

If memory serves, Howie was fired as executive chef at The Food Gang because he didn't tell his boss he was going away for three months to participate in a reality television show.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: joanna on May 15, 2008, 08:20:11 PM
They should have just eliminated Meth Boy, Spike, and Lisa last night, and let the remaining quartet battle it out for a few extra weeks.
yes! i thought the exact same thing. the next few weeks are so unnecessary. just lose them now.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on May 15, 2008, 10:30:01 PM
Season 3 is coming along nicely.  I was sorry to see soft-spoken Tre go.  I like little Hung (he reminds me of my cat Cruz).  And I want to kick Howie's teeth in.  So, fun.

Season 3 is awesome.  Some of the early exits -- like, say, Lia, who worked with Tommy Keller at Per Se -- could kick the ass of the remaining s4 contestants.  Season 4 was largely populated with mediocre ash oles.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on May 16, 2008, 12:06:10 PM
Unfortunately, Bravo chose not to air the first six episodes yesterday, so I never saw Lia in action.  Still, the caliber of the contestants seems to have been much higher in season 3.  Of the six remaining in season 4, really only Richard gives me any feeling of confidence that he could perform reliably day after day as an executive chef preparing up-market food in a successful restaurant.  I think a lot of his food is gimmicky and silly, but apparently it tastes good, and he's the only one who seems like he could actually run a kitchen (without being murdered, that is).
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on May 16, 2008, 12:17:03 PM
Unfortunately, Bravo chose not to air the first six episodes yesterday, so I never saw Lia in action.  Still, the caliber of the contestants seems to have been much higher in season 3.  Of the six remaining in season 4, really only Richard gives me any feeling of confidence that he could perform reliably day after day as an executive chef preparing up-market food in a successful restaurant.  I think a lot of his food is gimmicky and silly, but apparently it tastes good, and he's the only one who seems like he could actually run a kitchen (without being murdered, that is).


Circa '03, non-faux-hawked Blais!

(http://www.atlantacuisine.com/NewFiles/chefs/richardblais.jpg)

Also, here's a link to the dinner menu for his new restaurant, which opened last month:

http://www.h2sr.com/menus/home_dinner_menu.pdf
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on May 16, 2008, 12:30:13 PM
Oh, I get it now:  he lost a little weight, and this led him to make a foolish grooming decision, as frequently happens.

His menu is much less tricksy than I expected; in fact, it's sort of mainstream.  I wish he'd left out the extraneous i in his cutesy "bouilliablais."
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on May 16, 2008, 12:56:29 PM
I wish he'd left out the extraneous i in his cutesy "bouilliablais."

Also, "home" fries, "dumplings" peppermint jelly, slow cooked pork "short rib" collard, etc.

You know, "home", because he doesn't actually live in the restaurant.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on May 16, 2008, 01:13:28 PM
Oooooohhhh.

I'll start with the buttermilk pancakes foie, have the crispy fried chicken w/ macaroni & cheese as the entree, and I'll finish up with that red velvet dessert.

I only like red velvet recipes that use beets for sweetening and color and forgo cocoa. DO NOT PUT COCOA IN MY RED VELVET, THANKS!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on May 16, 2008, 01:38:05 PM
I only like red velvet recipes that use beets for sweetening and color and forgo cocoa. DO NOT PUT COCOA IN MY RED VELVET, THANKS!

maybe thats why i despise red velvet cake.  it was TOO sweet, making me swear off all cakes.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on May 16, 2008, 04:27:51 PM
Come on, crimestick.  He's trying to be clever with his silly little pun, and he doesn't even spell correctly the word he's punning.  (I find all his stupid little plays on his surname very tiresome.  All in all, he reminds me of any number of people I've met who think they're hilarious and most emphatically are not.  If he'd just be the person I think he really is--a fairly ordinary, decent, stolid citizen, who really wants to sport a conventional haircut and switch those pink shoes for something more staid--I'd like him much better.)
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on May 16, 2008, 04:37:51 PM
I like his pink shoes.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on May 16, 2008, 04:41:05 PM
I like his pink shoes.

They go well with his skin tone.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on May 16, 2008, 04:41:52 PM
I just don't think he does.  Not really.  They strike me as part of a not-very-successful performance.

Wow, I just read that Richard has competed on Iron Chef America.  He lost against Batali.  I'm not surprised.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: joanna on May 16, 2008, 04:48:45 PM
richard after the challenge with the kids saying that he wanted to go home and make some little blaises made me awww. i'm a sap. i was already in the richard camp but that sealed the deal. if he doesn't win, it better be stephanie. if dale wins, i'm fixin to have a hissy.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on May 16, 2008, 05:41:11 PM
Come on, crimestick.  He's trying to be clever with his silly little pun, and he doesn't even spell correctly the word he's punning.  (I find all his stupid little plays on his surname very tiresome.  All in all, he reminds me of any number of people I've met who think they're hilarious and most emphatically are not.  If he'd just be the person I think he really is--a fairly ordinary, decent, stolid citizen, who really wants to sport a conventional haircut and switch those pink shoes for something more staid--I'd like him much better.)

I wasn't being sarcastic at all, apologize if it came across that way - I was wholeheartedly agreeing with you, he should lay off the comedy. But in addition to that, I really really hate people who use quotation marks like that.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: senorcorazon on May 16, 2008, 07:15:45 PM
Wow, I just read that Richard has competed on Iron Chef America.  He lost against Batali.  I'm not surprised.

Alas, Iron Chef America is heavy-handed with the rigging.

Or maybe I just think that no one should ever buy Bobby Flay's bluecorn bullshit.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on May 17, 2008, 07:07:19 AM
Please forgive me, crimestick.  The rest of the menu had already faded from my memory when I read your post, so I didn't even remember the quotation marks.  I hate them, too, as well as the generally erratic punctuation.  Plus it's "andouille."

Senorcorazon, I find Iron Chef entertaining not for the competition but for all the ridiculous gadgets and cooking methods.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: senorcorazon on May 17, 2008, 12:24:25 PM
Senorcorazon, I find Iron Chef entertaining not for the competition but for all the ridiculous gadgets and cooking methods.

Yes, if there is a marathon on I'll watch it until my eyes cross. This is why I'm not allowed to have cable.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on May 17, 2008, 01:19:39 PM
There's one coming up this week!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on May 18, 2008, 01:59:19 AM
Neigborhoodies has a bunch of Top Chef tee-shirts  (http://www.neighborhoodies.com/readymades-chef-c-39_66.html). I want the "I tasted it in my head and it came out the way it did" shirt. Also, the "I would rather it had tasted good" shirt. And maybe also the "This is inedible" shirt. And definitely the Hung! shirt.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on May 22, 2008, 08:55:28 AM
Wait... whaaaaaaaaat? ...are the judges smoking?
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on May 22, 2008, 09:03:25 AM
Wait... whaaaaaaaaat? ...are the judges smoking?

I would have booted both Dale and Lisa, but if I had to pick one, it would be Lisa for botching two dishes and "being Lisa."  It was fun to see Antonia/Blais/Stephanie deliver such an ass-kicking. 
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on May 22, 2008, 09:11:44 AM
I fucking hated Spike's smarmy little smirk at the judges' table. What a douche!

If Lisa had won that goddamn coin toss, she'd be gone.  :'(
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Andy on May 22, 2008, 09:36:46 AM
I was upset that andrew got kicked off until I found out how close he was to spike.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on May 22, 2008, 09:38:30 AM
I was upset that andrew got kicked off until I found out how close he was to spike.

Ha! Too true.

Gawwwd, I can't wait for The Gorgon, as the folks at New York Magazine call Lisa, gets the boot. And hopefully her eyebrow piercing yanked out.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on May 22, 2008, 11:26:09 AM
I think Dale was booted because the producers decided keeping nasty Lisa in the mix would make for better television.  Unfortunately, because Spike very cannily kept away from the kitchen for the most part, kicking him wasn't an option.  Too bad--of the remaining chefs, he is by far the worst.

Antonia has been growing on me for a while. 
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Andy on May 22, 2008, 12:07:50 PM
spike still being there is a crime.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on May 22, 2008, 12:33:18 PM
The judging generally seems to assign more of the blame to the Executive Chef in the team challenges.  Dale was essentially finished when he won the coin toss because there was obviously no way that his team would defeat the A/B/S juggernaut.  There was nothing he could have done to prevent Lisa's campfire cauldron and vomit w/ wood chips.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on May 22, 2008, 03:33:50 PM
Yeah, I know they picked him because he was the exec.  Damn his foolish pride.    I liked the little fellow, esp. in his interviews, where the silly gangster mannerisms did not surface.  His crying because he was going to miss Stephanie, Richard, and Antonia was cute, too (Antonia's farewell hug was quite heartfelt--did you notice?).

Watching Top Chef has inspired me to watch various other cooking shows, to buy new knives, and to take more interest in cooking in general.  (I loved cooking for years and years and then lost a lot of my oomph about ten years ago.  It's nice to want to make stuff again.  Today, for example, I made a nice chocolate-ricotta pie [recipe from Giada De Laurentiis's show; she's pretty annoying, but there's not much to choose from on the Food Network (though I'm very fond of Jamie at Home)].)
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: jbissell on May 22, 2008, 03:49:41 PM
I'd be fine with Bourdain filling in for Tom permanently.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on May 22, 2008, 05:32:18 PM
The judging generally seems to assign more of the blame to the Executive Chef in the team challenges.  Dale was essentially finished when he won the coin toss because there was obviously no way that his team would defeat the A/B/S juggernaut.  There was nothing he could have done to prevent Lisa's campfire cauldron and vomit w/ wood chips.

I agree with this and everything else you guys just said!

Just watched the episode and I'm pretty upset. Dale was left on a sinking ship.

Spike's smirk, Lisa's bandana and crossed arms... gah
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on May 22, 2008, 05:34:41 PM
(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4385/lisaoq1.jpg)
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: joanna on May 22, 2008, 09:38:23 PM
no one has mentioned butterscotch scallops yet? dude lost his mind, i'm convinced of it.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on May 22, 2008, 10:18:45 PM
(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4385/lisaoq1.jpg)

Lisa looks like a cross between Chim-Chim from Speed Racer, Paul Goddard from the Atlanta Rhythm
Section, and Deion Sanders if he really let himself go.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: joanna on May 22, 2008, 11:10:30 PM
petulant. i fully expect that when she's finally kicked off, she's going to pout and throw things around a la paul rudd in wet hot american summer.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Andy on May 22, 2008, 11:16:48 PM
ok, I just watched this weeks show.   it's bullshit that Dale went home.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on May 22, 2008, 11:37:51 PM
no one has mentioned butterscotch scallops yet? dude lost his mind, i'm convinced of it.


Actually, there's a miso-butterscotch pork belly at Tailor in New York, and it's quite good. Dale just didn't execute it very well. Tailor is another one of those restaurants that plays with sweet & savory. I loved it so much that I went there twice during one New York vacay. I think I preferred the root beer short ribs with vanilla smoked carrots.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: joanna on May 22, 2008, 11:44:57 PM
that makes much more sense for pork because red meat works well with sweet-ish sauces, like a port wine reduction. but his butterscotch looked like dessert, and scallops are best complemented with delicate flavors. but whatever.

so what i'm saying is that you're right that he executed it wrong. dead wrong. disgusting.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on May 22, 2008, 11:48:38 PM
I don't know, I recently had mussels in a sweet cream sauce. It was really good.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: jbissell on May 29, 2008, 01:42:34 AM
I don't know why the final 4 couldn't have just been a top 3 like in season 1. Lisa clearly does not belong anywhere near the end.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Stan on May 29, 2008, 01:47:20 AM
I don't know why the final 4 couldn't have just been a top 3 like in season 1. Lisa clearly does not belong anywhere near the end.

 Seriously, a happy ending for me would have been fisticuffs between Lisa and Spike in front of the judges at the end, resulting in disqualification for both. Keep making that angry Rosie O'Donnell face Lisa, see where that gets you.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on May 29, 2008, 07:21:49 AM
Say what you will about Spike's culinary skills, but the guy really knows how to take advantage of those Quickfire victories!

I'd like to think they planted those frozen scallops to see if this dope would bite.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on May 29, 2008, 08:36:47 AM
Turns out I disliked Spike more than I dislike Lisa, because my pleasure at seeing the back of him more than outweighed my sorrow at knowing she'd be sticking around for another week.  Maybe it's because she was less obnoxious in this latest episode, anyway (maybe the absence of Dale sweetened her).  Or perhaps I just feel sort of sorry for her now, since there's no way in hell she can win and she has to know it. 

Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on May 29, 2008, 08:38:32 AM
Seriously, a happy ending for me would have been fisticuffs between Lisa and Spike in front of the judges at the end, resulting in disqualification for both.

Lisa would kick Spike's ass, except he'd play dirty.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on May 29, 2008, 09:19:28 AM
Guys, Spike says he has "a lot of strive." !!

Hoo boy.

I really wish they sent both of them packing. How dare Lisa raise her stupid pierced eyebrows at Colicchio.

ALSO, HER HAIR!! In the preview. Oh wow. Did someone get there before I did and took a weed whacker to her head? I'm jealous.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on May 29, 2008, 09:24:56 AM
Guys, Spike says he has "a lot of strife." !!


I thought he said "strive," which is still odd since it's not a noun.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on May 29, 2008, 09:26:34 AM
Yeah, that's what I heard, too, Omar.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on May 29, 2008, 09:40:04 AM
Sorry, you're right! I mistyped!

He has "a lot of strive." And I rewound and listened and said, "That's a verb, son."
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on May 29, 2008, 11:33:42 AM
As always, I'm a couple of hours behind (stupid time diff!), and as always, I agree with everybody. Thank dog the three real chefs made it; if any one of them would've missed out on the final I would've turned this place into a carwash. And I like my apartment fine.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: erika on May 29, 2008, 11:35:45 AM
STEPHANIE! STEPHANIE! STEPHANIE! STEPHANIE!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on May 29, 2008, 03:55:05 PM
i dont care whos in the final three anymore.

GET.  RID.  OF!  LISA!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: joanna on May 29, 2008, 06:56:25 PM
when spike made that comment about "it's your walk-in," i knew he was going. what a grade a moron. yeah, insult the guest judge. that is just an excellent move.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on May 30, 2008, 11:55:10 AM

I'd like to think they planted those frozen scallops to see if this dope would bite.

From The Stew (http://leisureblogs.chicagotribune.com/thestew/2008/05/says-tramanto-r.html):

"Their [Bravo's] team purchased all the food and put it in the coolers,” he explained, saying he felt that most people realized it was part of the challenge. He just wants to set the record straight. "They put those in the mix to see ... who would use them or not." And certainly Spike went for them. "It’s interesting that he had first choice and he obviously didn’t have to use them" but he did anyway.

*****

Spike's exit interview (http://nymag.com/daily/food/2008/05/banished_cheftestant_should_ha.html):

Why weren’t you wearing any hats in the episode?

I wanted to show a more professional side of myself, since it was the last episode [before the finale]. I do wear hats in kitchens a lot, but I wanted to let the public know that I am a professional chef.

Were you criticized too much for using the frozen scallops?

It was a tricky thing. I had a very short amount of time to pick my proteins. I heard there were scallops in the walk-in and I wanted them. When I saw they were frozen and torn-up, my heart just sank. I overthought it. I spent way too much time soaking water out of the scallops. I didn’t concentrate on my garnish, flavors, textures for that dish. That dish was a mess. I wasn’t proud of it, and I would never serve it again.

What can a chef actually do with frozen scallops?

Throw them out. Dredged scallops should be banned, honestly. It was a wet scallop, but maybe I should have done a seviche, something with acid and liquid, rather than trying to sear them. It would have been really worth my time if I had just sat down for ten minutes and thought it out.

Given the odds, do you think Richard has chance of winning?

Richard is the strongest competitor and the best chef of the group. Stephanie is very, very talented; she’s a great chef herself. But Richard is on a different playing level: He’s 35 years old. Something that comes along with being a great chef is experience, and he has it. He’s the older generation. He’s worked at El Bulli, he’s worked for Thomas Keller, he’s worked for Daniel Boulud.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: joanna on May 30, 2008, 12:14:11 PM
Quote from: dumbass
It was a wet scallop, but maybe I should have done a seviche, something with acid and liquid, rather than trying to sear them. It would have been really worth my time if I had just sat down for ten minutes and thought it out.

no! you should not have done a ceviche! you should have ignored them altogether and gone with a different protein!

the dude gets kicked off the show for this and he still hasn't learned his lesson?
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Stan on May 30, 2008, 02:10:01 PM
Quote from: dumbass
It was a wet scallop, but maybe I should have done a seviche, something with acid and liquid, rather than trying to sear them. It would have been really worth my time if I had just sat down for ten minutes and thought it out.

no! you should not have done a ceviche! you should have ignored them altogether and gone with a different protein!

the dude gets kicked off the show for this and he still hasn't learned his lesson?

 At least he left the hats behind. This is Spike we're talking about- Baby steps, Joanna. Baby steps.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on May 30, 2008, 02:13:39 PM
Quote from: dumbass
It was a wet scallop, but maybe I should have done a seviche, something with acid and liquid, rather than trying to sear them. It would have been really worth my time if I had just sat down for ten minutes and thought it out.

no! you should not have done a ceviche! you should have ignored them altogether and gone with a different protein!

the dude gets kicked off the show for this and he still hasn't learned his lesson?

its hard not looking at your avatar/icon after reading, "...and he still hasnt learned his lesson?"
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: joanna on May 30, 2008, 02:15:50 PM
the dude gets kicked off the show for this and he still hasn't learned his lesson?

its hard not looking at your avatar/icon after reading, "...and he still hasnt learned his lesson?"

i figured that avatar would come in handy for certain posts on the fot board.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on May 30, 2008, 02:16:30 PM
So, did he pick the scallops before he looked at them and got stuck with that protein? Either way, it's a dumb decision. He's an idiot if he saw that they were frozen and picked them anyway, or he's an idiot if he chose the scallops without actually looking at them first.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: joanna on May 30, 2008, 02:20:58 PM
So, did he pick the scallops before he looked at them and got stuck with that protein?

i can watch that part of my torrent again if anyone wants to know FOR SURE but i'm almost positive that he was in the walk-in and said something to effect of: "i know i saw scallops in here!" and then he grabbed the scallops, noticed they were frozen, and still walked out with them. i'm pretty confident there was a point when he could have changed his mind.

grade a moron.

also, i know i've said it before, but lisa's face at judges table really makes me want to punch her. so petulant!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: joanna on May 30, 2008, 02:42:12 PM
um. i'm compulsive, so i rewatched that part of the torrent.

spike on choosing the scallops:

"i had my mind on scallops, so i saw a bag of frozen scallops and i grabbed them." it shows him picking up the bag, looking them over, and walking out with them.

then richard: "he took those fucking frozen scallops?"

you're welcome!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: erika on May 30, 2008, 02:43:32 PM
Yeah spike is a moron. And I don't find his food very creative at all. Not that it HAS to be, but if you have a shit attitude and limited skill, you should be making some tasty shit.

Why DO they have 4 people going to the finale? I did like it much more when they only had 3... I can't remember why they changed it though.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: joanna on May 30, 2008, 04:51:07 PM
you guys!!!

check out what harold said about anthony bourdain in his blog:

Quote from: Harold
Yeah, it’s interesting to hear Bourdain and Padma critique the food, but it was a little much for me. I didn’t particularly enjoy seeing Anthony inside a chef’s coat walking around the kitchen. I just didn’t. It’s just not how I think of him. The guy’s not known for being a famous chef; his credibility does not lie in food. But the guy has never created amazing food, that’s not what he’s known for. He’s known for being a great book writer. While at Les Halles, he made bistro food and there is nothing wrong with that because it’s good but it’s not the type of stuff that gives you mass credibility and unquestioned knowledge from a food standpoint. Tom’s the head judge because he has multiple three-star restaurants and a James Beard winner. That’s why he does what he does and why Anthony does what he does.

HELL YES! i hate anthony bourdain! i want to kiss harold full on the mouth for writing this.

(though i admit that bourdain's brutal honesty sometimes makes his criticisms the most enjoyable to watch, but it still bothered me that they chose him to fill in for tom. tom is all about the food, whereas bourdain seems to feed and feed off of their interpersonal drama and character flaws.)
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on May 30, 2008, 04:55:48 PM
you guys!!!

check out what harold said about anthony bourdain in his blog:

Quote from: Harold
Yeah, it’s interesting to hear Bourdain and Padma critique the food, but it was a little much for me. I didn’t particularly enjoy seeing Anthony inside a chef’s coat walking around the kitchen. I just didn’t. It’s just not how I think of him. The guy’s not known for being a famous chef; his credibility does not lie in food. But the guy has never created amazing food, that’s not what he’s known for. He’s known for being a great book writer. While at Les Halles, he made bistro food and there is nothing wrong with that because it’s good but it’s not the type of stuff that gives you mass credibility and unquestioned knowledge from a food standpoint. Tom’s the head judge because he has multiple three-star restaurants and a James Beard winner. That’s why he does what he does and why Anthony does what he does.

HELL YES! i hate anthony bourdain! i want to kiss harold full on the mouth for writing this.

(though i admit that bourdain's brutal honesty sometimes makes his criticisms the most enjoyable to watch, but it still bothered me that they chose him to fill in for tom. tom is all about the food, whereas bourdain seems to feed and feed off of their interpersonal drama and character flaws.)

i enjoy anthony bourdain.  he embodies the hard criticism that tom colicchio executes.  in my opinion, who cares what he's cooked and hasnt, he has a well-rounded palette.  and this principal applies to more than just anthony bourdain.

there are a number of producers who cant play a single instrument who make good producers, directors who dont know how to act, etc.  i think whether or not hes a chef is irrelevant. 
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on May 30, 2008, 06:28:27 PM
I like Bourdain, too.  I think he'd be a great companion on an all-nighter.  And he does seem to be a good and adventurous eater, which is a fine qualification for judging food, it seems to me.

On another subject, was anyone else horrified that Stephanie sang the praises of sweetbreads by likening them to chicken McNuggets?  Of course, this is the gal who grimaced when she tasted $25/pound crab.  Don't get me wrong--she's clearly a good cook--but she does seem to lack a certain worldliness when it comes to her palate (although I'm remembering now that during the Common Threads challenge she talked about how she was raised eating upper-crust food--what, one wonders, is her definition of "upper-crust"?).

Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on May 30, 2008, 06:36:58 PM
I thought Harold's comments about Bourdain were extremely bizarre.  I actually had to read them several times to make sure I wasn't missing something.  Bourdain graduated from the Culinary Institute of America and spent the next 20 years running various kitchens in NYC restaurants, including the highly-respected Les Halles.  Not to mention traveling around the globe sampling world cuisines for the past five years or so.  The notion that he has no credibility in assessing the food on a reality television program because his highest-profile post was at a bistro-style restaurant is absurd.  Plus, Bourdain (and guest judge José Andrés) injected some life into the proceedings, unlike the increasingly narcotized Colicchio, barking out the same old notes about improper seasonings and other minor quibbles, often with an annoying 'tude.  Harold is very talented, and by all accounts his restaurant is top-notch, but he, like Hitler, is a grade. A. JERK.  I do agree with him regarding Padma's food critiques.  I'd rather listen to Stevie Blue serenade Lisa with "Chocolate-Covered Hearts" than listen to Padma's commentary.  Then again, she's probably better than Gail Simmons.  Ew buoy.

Also, is it just me or are they really starting to overdo the looped-lines voiceover.  It seemed particularly bad this week. 
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on May 30, 2008, 07:17:16 PM
(although I'm remembering now that during the Common Threads challenge she talked about how she was raised eating upper-crust food--what, one wonders, is her definition of "upper-crust"?).

Crème brûlée?
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on May 30, 2008, 07:21:06 PM
Funny Laurie.  In response, I offer these gems from the Top Chef blogs:

From Team Top Chef:  "I've never tasted Dave Martin's famous mac 'n cheese, but this certainly cut the mustard." 

From the comments thereto:  "I was sick to my stomach tonight when wonderful Spike was voted off from frozen scallops, not his fault"  [if not his, whose?]
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on May 30, 2008, 08:14:54 PM
I thought Harold's comments about Bourdain were extremely bizarre.  I actually had to read them several times to make sure I wasn't missing something.  Bourdain graduated from the Culinary Institute of America and spent the next 20 years running various kitchens in NYC restaurants, including the highly-respected Les Halles.  Not to mention traveling around the globe sampling world cuisines for the past five years or so.  The notion that he has no credibility in assessing the food on a reality television program because his highest-profile post was at a bistro-style restaurant is absurd.  Plus, Bourdain (and guest judge José Andrés) injected some life into the proceedings, unlike the increasingly narcotized Colicchio, barking out the same old notes about improper seasonings and other minor quibbles, often with an annoying 'tude.  Harold is very talented, and by all accounts his restaurant is top-notch, but he, like Hitler, is a grade. A. JERK.  I do agree with him regarding Padma's food critiques.  I'd rather listen to Stevie Blue serenade Lisa with "Chocolate-Covered Hearts" than listen to Padma's commentary.  Then again, she's probably better than Gail Simmons.  Ew buoy.

Also, is it just me or are they really starting to overdo the looped-lines voiceover.  It seemed particularly bad this week. 

Can I just say I really liked this post? Thanks.

(And yes on the looping, gets worse every week.)
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: joanna on May 30, 2008, 09:57:11 PM
I thought Harold's comments about Bourdain were extremely bizarre.  I actually had to read them several times to make sure I wasn't missing something.  Bourdain graduated from the Culinary Institute of America and spent the next 20 years running various kitchens in NYC restaurants, including the highly-respected Les Halles.  Not to mention traveling around the globe sampling world cuisines for the past five years or so.  The notion that he has no credibility in assessing the food on a reality television program because his highest-profile post was at a bistro-style restaurant is absurd.  Plus, Bourdain (and guest judge José Andrés) injected some life into the proceedings, unlike the increasingly narcotized Colicchio, barking out the same old notes about improper seasonings and other minor quibbles, often with an annoying 'tude.  Harold is very talented, and by all accounts his restaurant is top-notch, but he, like Hitler, is a grade. A. JERK.

i don't think that harold was saying that bourdain wasn't qualified to be a judge; i think he was saying that he wasn't qualified to replace tom specifically.

as far as his chops are concerned, bourdain does a truly excellent job in his own book of convincing you of how undeserving he is of his success: he says he graduated CIA when it wasn't competitive at all and anyone could graduate; he fully admits to the fact that he lucked into all of his early executive chef positions when he wasn't ready yet; and he's never owned his own restaurant so he's never created his own menu from scratch (which several top chef contestants have) -- he was mostly just cooking other people's recipes, which is what any competent sous chef can do.

i have several friends in nyc who are chefs, and none of them are grade a jerks, and they all share harold's opinion of bourdain.

bourdain is just a personality.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: joanna on May 30, 2008, 10:02:05 PM
sorry to get all worked up about this, by the way. bourdain is who i wanted to call in with on tuesday and say that i would never trade lives with*, so i was already ramped up about this.



*sorry, bourdain and jared leto. so no one get me started about jared leto!

Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: mokin on May 31, 2008, 02:58:08 AM
Let's not forget that you are a vegan, Joanna, and Anthony Bourdain is the Vegan Anti-Christ.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: jbissell on May 31, 2008, 03:39:52 AM
I do agree with him regarding Padma's food critiques.  I'd rather listen to Stevie Blue serenade Lisa with "Chocolate-Covered Hearts" than listen to Padma's commentary.  Then again, she's probably better than Gail Simmons.  Ew buoy.

Surely the Katie Lee Joel era has not been forgotten? She was the absolute worst. It's funny, when I go to check the episode info on my cable, they still list her as host of the show.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: joanna on May 31, 2008, 11:03:10 AM
Let's not forget that you are a vegan, Joanna, and Anthony Bourdain is the Vegan Anti-Christ.

if i had gotten started on his idiot opinions, i could have gone all day.

he's an ABBA-hater, you know. it's even in his wikipedia entry.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on May 31, 2008, 11:25:06 AM
I do agree with him regarding Padma's food critiques.  I'd rather listen to Stevie Blue serenade Lisa with "Chocolate-Covered Hearts" than listen to Padma's commentary.  Then again, she's probably better than Gail Simmons.  Ew buoy.

Surely the Katie Lee Joel era has not been forgotten? She was the absolute worst. It's funny, when I go to check the episode info on my cable, they still list her as host of the show.

I said in the chat that I would not trade places with Katie Lee Joel. I would trade places with Padma, now that she's divorced ol' Rushdie.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: jbissell on June 04, 2008, 11:50:23 PM
"congratulations, you won the fucking bronze medal"

I've really warmed to Richard of late.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Andy on June 05, 2008, 12:13:41 AM
this is totally off topic, but:

this year the voice overs are ridiculous.  they're so obviously edited in, it's like they didn't even try.

and I like Bourdain, although I used to find him unbearable.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: erika on June 05, 2008, 01:10:11 AM
Fucking Lisa of the Nasty Chins!



She's got such a 'tude and not enough talent to allow one to dismiss it.

GOOOOOO STEPHANIE! (Richard is warming to me too but I still like Stephanie more.)
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: jbissell on June 05, 2008, 02:17:22 AM
GOOOOOO STEPHANIE! (Richard is warming to me too but I still like Stephanie more.)

Yes, I hope Stephanie pulls it out but I have a bad feeling that she is going to make some mistake that costs her in the end.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on June 05, 2008, 07:25:48 AM
Perhaps they edited out additional Judges' Table criticisms of Antonia's dishes, but I don't see how undercooked peas and an ill-advised plating decision are greater offenses than Lisa's medley of mishaps. 

Spike was very likable in this episode.  One of Richard's skills is bringing out the best in other chefs (e.g., Dale during the Improv challenge.)
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on June 05, 2008, 07:56:11 AM
"congratulations, you won the fucking bronze medal"

I've really warmed to Richard of late.

Non-meth-feuled Quote of the Season.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on June 05, 2008, 10:14:43 AM
ive been trying to figure out this ENTIRE season why (oh why! oh why!) has Lisa survived when she obviously possesses a bad attitude, can only make semi-decent dishes, and is constantly pissed or sulking. 



to top it off, she's ugly.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: jbissell on June 05, 2008, 10:59:06 AM
ive been trying to figure out this ENTIRE season why (oh why! oh why!) has Lisa survived when she obviously possesses a bad attitude, can only make semi-decent dishes, and is constantly pissed or sulking. 

to top it off, she's ugly.

The judges claim that the only thing considered is the food produced by the chefs and anything that happens in the kitchen personality-wise never factors in their decision. I have a really hard time believing this. Honestly, even if Lisa was a much better chef than she appears to be, would anyone ever want to work for or with her? I think not. 
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on June 05, 2008, 11:16:31 AM
ive been trying to figure out this ENTIRE season why (oh why! oh why!) has Lisa survived when she obviously possesses a bad attitude, can only make semi-decent dishes, and is constantly pissed or sulking. 

to top it off, she's ugly.

The judges claim that the only thing considered is the food produced by the chefs and anything that happens in the kitchen personality-wise never factors in their decision. I have a really hard time believing this. Honestly, even if Lisa was a much better chef than she appears to be, would anyone ever want to work for or with her? I think not. 

i agree on all accounts considering a few weeks ago both Tom and Padma commented on Lisa's apparent attitude problem, her habit of blaming anything that goes wrong on EVERYBODY else, and her inability to take any kind of criticism. 

BOOoooo.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on June 05, 2008, 01:03:04 PM
I felt so strongly that the decision to keep Lisa had nothing to do with cooking and everything to do with injecting a little suspense into the whole affair that I can't really care.  If Antonia had stayed--and I wish she could have--I would have been perfectly content no matter who won.  Now, I'll at least be rooting against Lisa.

P.S.  II thought Stephanie was amazing to Dale when she found out he'd neglected to refrigerate the pork belly.  Can you imagine what Lisa would have done?
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on June 05, 2008, 01:04:41 PM

P.S.  II thought Stephanie was amazing to Dale when she found out he'd neglected to refrigerate the pork belly.  Can you imagine what Lisa would have done?

That was a great moment.  He left the pork belly to rot overnight, and her response was "That's ok."  Love it. 
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Miss on June 05, 2008, 02:34:14 PM
I honestly thought Antonia would win. I really was convinced she would've won the whole thing.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Miss on June 05, 2008, 02:36:34 PM
I thought Harold's comments about Bourdain were extremely bizarre.  I actually had to read them several times to make sure I wasn't missing something.  Bourdain graduated from the Culinary Institute of America and spent the next 20 years running various kitchens in NYC restaurants, including the highly-respected Les Halles.  Not to mention traveling around the globe sampling world cuisines for the past five years or so.  The notion that he has no credibility in assessing the food on a reality television program because his highest-profile post was at a bistro-style restaurant is absurd.  Plus, Bourdain (and guest judge José Andrés) injected some life into the proceedings, unlike the increasingly narcotized Colicchio, barking out the same old notes about improper seasonings and other minor quibbles, often with an annoying 'tude.

Who talked smack about my Tony? Harold's going down!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on June 05, 2008, 04:29:27 PM
As always, I'm a day behind but I just caught up with this week's episode and I'm shocked. It's bullshit. Like Sarah, I'm suspecting executive foul play. At least to some extent. What does the disclaimer during the credits say now? The judges can be influenced by the producers or something? No?

PS. Two revelations in this episode (or I haven't been paying attention): Steph has known Dale for ten years, and Lisa is jewish.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on June 05, 2008, 04:33:07 PM
I'm guessing Lisa is a Sephardi.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: erika on June 05, 2008, 04:35:55 PM
I'm guessing Lisa is a Sephardi.

mmmm a little pale for that. I'm guessing Russian origin.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on June 05, 2008, 04:38:22 PM
To confuse things further, her last name is Fernandes.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: jbissell on June 05, 2008, 04:49:13 PM
PS. Two revelations in this episode (or I haven't been paying attention): Steph has known Dale for ten years, and Lisa is jewish.

I thought the fact that she's known Dale for so long was the main reason she wasn't more upset about him leaving out the pork bellies. If it had been Spike or someone else maybe it would've been more of an issue for her.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on June 05, 2008, 05:29:46 PM
To confuse things further, her last name is Fernandes.

That's why I'm guessing Sephardi!

I know a lot of pale Jewbans and folks from Spain.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: joanna on June 05, 2008, 09:08:55 PM
people, can we please address the real issue that this episode raised?






lisa is putting stuff in her hair to make it look like that? that's a choice?


anyway, i'll be happy whether stephanie or richard wins. they're both talented, professional, calm, kind people. obviously it would be refreshing if a woman won top chef, but i think they're equally deserving.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on June 06, 2008, 10:44:10 AM
PS. Two revelations in this episode (or I haven't been paying attention): Steph has known Dale for ten years, and Lisa is jewish.

I thought the fact that she's known Dale for so long was the main reason she wasn't more upset about him leaving out the pork bellies. If it had been Spike or someone else maybe it would've been more of an issue for her.

she did say she works best under pressure, and i think it worked out for the best.  the chicharrones salad looked delicious.  and she even thanked dale for the idea. 

it was pretty endearing to see dale upset about what happened.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on June 06, 2008, 11:09:36 AM
I was surprised by how happy I was to see Dale again.  I had grown fonder of him than I realized.  He really was very likable in his interviews. 

Speaking of the interviews, I felt quite sorry for poor old Andrew when he was talking about how his way of dealing with people who speak languages not his own usually backfires. 
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on June 06, 2008, 11:12:10 AM
Well, at least he didn't talk louder than he usually does. I hate it when people do that! Speaking loudly does not make it easier for others who don't understand your language!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on June 06, 2008, 11:45:16 AM
I just remembered that Erika vowed to not eat ever again (or something to that effect) if Lisa made the top three... so how's that working out?
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: erika on June 06, 2008, 11:52:21 AM
I just remembered that Erika vowed to not eat ever again (or something to that effect) if Lisa made the top three... so how's that working out?

Haha I said I would give up on food. Aaaaand I said I was very drunk at the time. (this was on AST, right?)

Plus, we all know about my willpower or lack thereof ;)
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: joanna on June 06, 2008, 12:35:33 PM
should we guess who the guest chef will be for the last challenges? it's usually someone crazy famous, like eric ripert.

i'm so excited!!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on June 06, 2008, 12:37:06 PM
should we guess who the guest chef will be for the last challenges? it's usually someone crazy famous, like eric ripert.

i'm so excited!!

I hope it's Ripert again.  He just launched a new blog:

http://aveceric.com/
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on June 06, 2008, 12:45:35 PM
anthony bourdain and eric ripert are the only two judges i look forward to seeing.

ripert first, of course.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on June 06, 2008, 12:48:18 PM
Is there going to be a reunion show?? There fucking well better be!!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on June 06, 2008, 12:56:53 PM
Is there going to be a reunion show?? There fucking well better be!!

Yes!  It will air on June 18th.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on June 06, 2008, 01:01:12 PM
THANK CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope they provide copious amounts of liquor. Remember when Stephen the Sommelier got drunk???

I hope Stephen's restaurant is open the next time I head to West Palm Beach to see a rock and roll show!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: jbissell on June 06, 2008, 01:16:42 PM
should we guess who the guest chef will be for the last challenges? it's usually someone crazy famous, like eric ripert.

i'm so excited!!

It'll be celebrity chef Rachel Ray. Yum-o!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on June 06, 2008, 02:00:26 PM
Hold up, they're airing the finale before the reunion? That's crazy! I guess they didn't want to fly everyone out to Puerto Rico.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on June 06, 2008, 03:29:51 PM
(http://www.ourblogoflove.com/images/content/rileyBLOG007.jpg)

More pics:

http://www.ourblogoflove.com/index.cfm?postID=143
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on June 06, 2008, 03:35:25 PM
Grub Street blog re this NYD interview (http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/food/2008/06/06/2008-06-06_lisa_fernandes_is_last_new_yorker_standi.html?page=0):

"The Daily News’ Rachel Wharton dared the fates and sat down with Lisa “The Gorgon” Fernandes for an interview in today’s paper — and the results are predictably frightening. Wharton’s questioning starts off with a few softballs about fellow cheftestants Stephanie and Dale (the former is “an amazing person”; the latter is not a friend, but “we get along”). Then she gets to the heart of the matter: why everyone despises her with a white-hot passion. (Of the 40 comments on our Top Chef chat, the vast majority are screeds against her.) The Gorgon shrugs off all blog hostility: “Oh, no, I don't read the blogs — you couldn't pay me to read the blogs. I don't want to know what people who can't even afford to eat in my restaurant, let alone know how to cook, have to say about me,” she says, feeding the fires of loathing. Lisa's gift for inflaming the dislike of blog readers is almost preternatural; only she would think to claim that no one who reads blogs can afford to eat at Mai House, a not especially expensive Asian restaurant well within the range of people who use computers. The result was predictable: The outrage on the Daily News comments board is even more vitriolic than on ours (and, in some cases, simply hateful). But then, our readers only experience the Gorgon's hostility when it's directed at other chefs."
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on June 06, 2008, 03:44:09 PM
(http://www.ourblogoflove.com/images/content/rileyBLOG007.jpg)

More pics:

http://www.ourblogoflove.com/index.cfm?postID=143

HE MADE A BLAISY!!

(Ew.)
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on June 06, 2008, 03:57:05 PM
I'm mildly perturbed that you found the Blais baby pictures, Omar, but even more bothered at the thought of Richard engaging in sex (you remember that scene in Nathan Barley when he's composing a sexy rap as he's working on Claire?) and, worse, being a father.  Unless his off-screen self is massively different from his TV persona, he's going to be one awkward daddy.

And Lisa apparently really is a turd; it's not just the editing that makes her come off that way.  What do you know.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on June 06, 2008, 03:59:22 PM
Grub Street blog re this NYD interview (http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/food/2008/06/06/2008-06-06_lisa_fernandes_is_last_new_yorker_standi.html?page=0):

"The Daily News’ Rachel Wharton dared the fates and sat down with Lisa “The Gorgon” Fernandes for an interview in today’s paper — and the results are predictably frightening. Wharton’s questioning starts off with a few softballs about fellow cheftestants Stephanie and Dale (the former is “an amazing person”; the latter is not a friend, but “we get along”). Then she gets to the heart of the matter: why everyone despises her with a white-hot passion. (Of the 40 comments on our Top Chef chat, the vast majority are screeds against her.) The Gorgon shrugs off all blog hostility: “Oh, no, I don't read the blogs — you couldn't pay me to read the blogs. I don't want to know what people who can't even afford to eat in my restaurant, let alone know how to cook, have to say about me,” she says, feeding the fires of loathing. Lisa's gift for inflaming the dislike of blog readers is almost preternatural; only she would think to claim that no one who reads blogs can afford to eat at Mai House, a not especially expensive Asian restaurant well within the range of people who use computers. The result was predictable: The outrage on the Daily News comments board is even more vitriolic than on ours (and, in some cases, simply hateful). But then, our readers only experience the Gorgon's hostility when it's directed at other chefs."

Oh, honey. I can afford to buy "your" middling little restaurant. Go fuck yourself, Lisa.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on June 06, 2008, 04:05:24 PM
If this (http://www.myriadrestaurantgroup.com/MHmenu3-6-08.pdf) is its menu, then even I could afford to eat there occasionally, and I'm quite poor.

I like that one of the offerings is "nem sausage."
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on June 06, 2008, 04:07:56 PM
Don't worry, guys. She put her peanut butter mashed potatoes on the menu. I'm not buying a restaurant that has that on the menu, although it is tempting -- I mean, I'd love to buy it and fire her. And then hire, I don't know, Dale or something.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on June 06, 2008, 04:09:49 PM
No, no, in this fantasy you're wealthy enough to give it to Dale.  Okay?
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on June 06, 2008, 04:11:34 PM
Fantasy?
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: jbissell on June 06, 2008, 04:43:06 PM
If this (http://www.myriadrestaurantgroup.com/MHmenu3-6-08.pdf) is its menu, then even I could afford to eat there occasionally, and I'm quite poor.

I like that one of the offerings is "nem sausage."

So do Spike and Lisa work at the same place? Because I see him listed as Chef de Cuisine.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on June 06, 2008, 04:45:15 PM
Excuse me, "fontasy."  Or, if your question was other, I was trying not to play the Laurie-the-rich-kid card.  Which was silly, really, since Laurie was playing it herself. 

Never mind.

jbissel, I just came across this (http://eater.com/archives/2008/05/eaterwire_spike.php).  Riveting stuff, no?
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: jbissell on June 06, 2008, 05:03:37 PM
jbissell, I just came across this (http://eater.com/archives/2008/05/eaterwire_spike.php).  Riveting stuff, no?

Hahahahhahahahaha, oh man. I'm confused as to how anyone could watch her on the show and think "I really need to hire this person. She is universally hated by everyone on the show and is consistently in the bottom 2, but I just hate Spike's hats so fucking much."
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on June 06, 2008, 05:04:19 PM
im surprised no one has brought up Lisa's snide remark at the end, "you guys could have said congratulations"...or along those lines.


the television almost lost its life to my rage
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on June 06, 2008, 05:09:22 PM
It was very telling indeed that this courtesy slipped the minds of those two very well-mannered people, so shocked were they by Antonia's dismissal.  Listening to Lisa get all petulant about it was quite funny.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: jbissell on June 06, 2008, 05:12:41 PM
im surprised no one has brought up Lisa's snide remark at the end, "you guys could have said congratulations"...or along those lines.


the television almost lost its life to my rage

Well, that is what Richard's bronze medal quote was referencing so it was indirectly mentioned.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on June 06, 2008, 05:24:38 PM
im surprised no one has brought up Lisa's snide remark at the end, "you guys could have said congratulations"...or along those lines.


the television almost lost its life to my rage

Well, that is what Richard's bronze medal quote was referencing so it was indirectly mentioned.

i thought it was brilliant he said that...i just wish it would have been to her face and not during the interview.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: senorcorazon on June 09, 2008, 09:30:42 PM
select one total jerk, one lovable guy, someone who is having a "personal crisis and trying to reconnect with the soul of cooking", a token woman (who is kind of steely and vaguely unlikable), and a technician and you've got your final five. My guess, following this: Andrew, Mark,  maybe Jennifer, Stephanie, and Richard. Prove me wrong, sweet Padma.

Crap - I'm down another!

PS - Why oh why has someone not done a March Madness style bracket for this show?!

Two out of three! Does that mean I get a congratulations for the Silver?
 "The outcome may be influenced by the producers blah blah blah". Lisa fills the spot for Dread Queen ("Congratulations not in order for Lisa" says angry fiancee)

How much Glad does it take to make that Corolla?

And finally, please please please Eric Ripert.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Regular Joe on June 09, 2008, 10:01:17 PM
im surprised no one has brought up Lisa's snide remark at the end, "you guys could have said congratulations"...or along those lines.


the television almost lost its life to my rage

Well, that is what Richard's bronze medal quote was referencing so it was indirectly mentioned.

My favorite part of that was the incredulous look Stephanie gave Lisa right before catching herself and going "oh yeah... sorry... congrats... mumble mumble...". I expected a blow out too, but the look was somehow enough.

Now for your Top Chef moment of zen:

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=kDJl9lDnNa8[/youtube]
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Andy on June 10, 2008, 12:00:58 AM
those kind of obviously staged photos of everyday occurances (or special events, like the baby) where they try to make them look like natural shots but they are obviously from a professional photographer, always freak me out.  they're so dumb.  like when the presidential candidates have black and white pictures of themselves sitting contemplatively at a typewriter while they were in college.  nobody fucking does that.  the mere fact that they thought to take a picture like that is creepy.

I'm all into being artsy with it, but that one with the teardrop?  come on.  on some level that shit was staged (either by Richard or by the photographer and Richard together.)

All that being said:  Go Richard.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on June 10, 2008, 06:37:30 AM
Oh, that's what you're talking about.  I was very confused.

Don't you think staging the photographs is exactly something Richard would do?  He strikes me as a very unspontaneous man.  I'm still amazed he let his guard down enough to do the necessary to produce a kid.

And, Reg. Joe, yes, that was a great moment. 
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: pmuse on June 11, 2008, 09:30:14 AM
I just woke up from a nightmare where Lisa ended up winning Top Chef.  Let's hope I don't have some sort of precognitive ability, because I've also had dreams where dinosaurs and humans co-exist.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on June 11, 2008, 12:20:41 PM
should we guess who the guest chef will be for the last challenges? it's usually someone crazy famous, like eric ripert.

i'm so excited!!

Guest judge confirmed: Eric Ripert!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on June 11, 2008, 12:25:00 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on June 11, 2008, 12:30:59 PM
should we guess who the guest chef will be for the last challenges? it's usually someone crazy famous, like eric ripert.

i'm so excited!!

Guest judge confirmed: Eric Ripert!

awesome.

ive got to call my mom!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: joanna on June 11, 2008, 03:29:01 PM
should we guess who the guest chef will be for the last challenges? it's usually someone crazy famous, like eric ripert.

i'm so excited!!

Guest judge confirmed: Eric Ripert!

HELL YES! oh i cannot wait!

i don't have cable and have to download the torrents on thursday afternoon and it's going to be so hard for me to stay away from top chef threads on this board and the cooking board that i frequent. oh man.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on June 11, 2008, 04:10:41 PM
I'm looking forward to tonight's episode, but I'll be sad when it's over.  The moronic and vicious Hell's Kitchen--itself nearing conclusion--and the so-far-pretty-lousy The Next Food Network Star cannot compensate for its loss.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on June 11, 2008, 04:23:01 PM
i use the following month as a buffer between "the end of top chef" and "the start of project runway"
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on June 11, 2008, 04:24:32 PM
I don't think I can bring myself to watch that one.  It's the connection to food that makes the reality format palatable for me.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on June 11, 2008, 04:48:49 PM
So, season 5 of Project Runway is going to air on Bravo, and then it jumps to Meredith Baxter-Birney HQ for season 6? That makes no sense.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on June 11, 2008, 05:01:33 PM
So, season 5 of Project Runway is going to air on Bravo, and then it jumps to Meredith Baxter-Birney HQ for season 6? That makes no sense.

hm.

apparently, the company that "owns" project runway has partnered up with lifetime, hence, the move.  nbc (owner of bravo) is suing them.  i hope they win. 

i love heidi, but im not watching lifetime- the commercials alone will kill me.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: jbissell on June 11, 2008, 05:12:43 PM

i love heidi, but im not watching lifetime- the commercials alone will kill me.

Yeah, I think the best option will be downloading a torrent that already has all the commercials edited out.  That being said, my enjoyment of PR has really slipped over the last two season with the most recent one being pretty boring overall.  It could be that a change of networks will pump some new life into the show, but I'm guessing they're really going to regret leaving Bravo for a network derided by most people.

PS. On the slim chance that Lisa pulls off the most improbable victory in reality TV show history, I will no longer watch Top Chef. GO STEPHANIE.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on June 11, 2008, 05:18:31 PM
On the slim chance that Lisa pulls off the most improbable victory in reality TV history, I will no longer eat food. GO STEPHANIE! (I don't want to do a hunger strike.)
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: senorcorazon on June 11, 2008, 05:21:59 PM
Yes yes yes! Ripert. I do adore you. Though I ate in your new "bistro" in DC and was sorely disappointed.

Lisa hatred at it's best, by a funny coworker of mine:
http://www.maxsilvestri.com/index.php/2008/05/29/how-i-feel-about-last-nights-top-chef/

So sad I'll have to hound someone for a DVR of this finale!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on June 11, 2008, 07:16:35 PM
Grub Street's Top 5 Moments from this season:

We can’t easily express how sorry we are to see Top Chef go. But at least we can say, as we look back at the most bizarrely enjoyable Top Chef season yet, that it’s had more than its share of memorable moments. Here are five of them that come to mind as we head toward the twilight. In reverse order:

5. Padma Lakshmi, with the languid gravity that only she can summon, looking Erik in the face and asking, “Did you really think that was a successful corn dog?” The self-described "soul chef" had failed miserably to produce the simplest of crispy fried treats, presenting in its stead a sadly flaccid and soggy sample.
 

4. Spike completely flubbing his Quickfire advantage by selecting soggy frozen scallops from the walk-in in Tramonto’s Steak and Seafood, and then calling out the chef at judges’ table for having them in the refrigerator to begin with. And then, of course, Scallopgate ensued with Spike's subsequent eternal banishment from the show. Eventually, it was determined that Top Chef producers had planted the offending scallops — but it was Spike, in his folly, who selected them despite their manifest mediocrity.
 

3. Mark prefacing his ejection by telling the judges, in an act of catastrophically ineffective reverse psychology, that “Tom doesn’t like me.” That only works when it’s not true, Mark. But the Kiwi chef from Public had borne the brunt of the lead judge for several weeks running and thought he could reverse course with a pity-play confrontation. Alas, he too found his way on the shoe-leather express.
 

2. Lisa “the Gorgon” Fernandes's somehow surviving over the elimination of Antonia in last week’s challenge, much to the undisguised horror of her fellow cheftestants. Of course, she then compounded their hatred by demanding to know why they didn’t congratulate her on her hideous, demoralizing victory. Antonia, though guilty of undercooking her pigeon beans, was so obviously a better cook — and, dare we say, person — than the dreaded Gorgon, as our feisty commenters will attest.
 
And our No. 1 Top Chef (by a country mile): The unforgettable duel of blame and hatred played out by Dale and Lisa during the “Restaurant Wars” episode, which, in its almost Beckett-like purity and austerity, destroyed all our better notions of human nature. Seeing the two most hate-filled and emotionally unstable cheftestants paired together in a pressure situation was a recipe for catastrophe, and the resultant bloodbath was a high point in Top Chef drama. Particularly after the Gorgon’s inevitable win, and Dale’s subsequent emotional breakdown.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on June 11, 2008, 11:05:11 PM
OH THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: erika on June 11, 2008, 11:07:24 PM
OH THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!

I was so nervous!! That was great!!!!!!!

!!!!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on June 11, 2008, 11:08:26 PM
I KNOW! I totally had butterflies in my stomach.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Andy on June 11, 2008, 11:29:00 PM
NO SPOILETTES!!!!!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on June 11, 2008, 11:41:16 PM
OH THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!

If I'd been the first person to post after seeing the results, this is exactly what I'd have said.  (God, I hate rooting for things:  can't stand the stress, and pleasure when my choice wins in no way outweighs my distress when my fave loses.)

Andy, if you can't resist looking at this thread till you've seen the show, you deserve to be spoiled.  But I'll be somewhat discreet even so.  So:  I felt very sorry for poor Richard, who was on the verge of tears almost throughout (and, come on, banana scallops for a third time?  I couldn't believe none of the judges commented on that).  Lisa, on the other hand, was all smugness and certainty.  Only Stephanie was more or less herself, although I wanted to smack her when I learned that she hadn't thought to come prepared with a decent dessert.

More tomorrow, I'm sure . . .
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Spoony on June 12, 2008, 01:05:23 AM
I just watched this last episode tonight. I've never watched this before, but at my ladyfriend's place tonight, she insisted that we watch this.

I didn't bring this up at the time because I didn't want to rock the boat, but does that bald guy always look like he's about to but his head down and charge like a bull at the nearest person?


SPOILER ALERT:

He did.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: jbissell on June 12, 2008, 01:42:06 AM
I was just waiting for Lisa to say "congratulations, you won the fucking bronze medal".
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Miss on June 12, 2008, 02:16:16 AM
I'm looking at the menu that was linked - I think it's Lisa's restaurant, and have one comment.

 Pho Ga? More like Pho-gly! Sorry that was dumb but deserved.

It just should never cost someone $11 to get a great bowl of pho, especially when it's CHICKEN not beef.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on June 12, 2008, 04:46:34 AM
Yes! I'm more relieved than excited at this point.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on June 12, 2008, 09:09:32 AM

Only Stephanie was more or less herself, although I wanted to smack her when I learned that she hadn't thought to come prepared with a decent dessert.


This was definitely bizarre, and I feared it would lead to the Nightmare Scenario, especially since Lisa's dessert was a big hit.  From the AV Club's recap (http://www.avclub.com/content/tvclub/top_chef/finale_pt_2):

"So why did Stephanie have problems with dessert all of the sudden? With her gorgonzola cheesecake during Restaurant Wars and her full-on cake for Wedding Wars, it seemed off that she was out of sorts in that area tonight. Why oh why don’t contestants ever show up with at least one dessert in their back pocket? And with six months of downtime before the finale, too?"
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: jbissell on June 12, 2008, 10:07:49 AM
Probably my favorite moment of the whole night was seeing Ripert watch Richard using the liquid nitrogen. Class act.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on June 12, 2008, 04:01:32 PM
I loved that.  At first he's watching from across the kitchen, looking like a little kid wishing he could join the basketball game, and then he's up close and full of wonder.  It really made me like him.

So what's the reunion show going to be like?  Lots of clips and "where are you now?" interviews?
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on June 12, 2008, 04:52:51 PM
I hope the reunion show is good. I thought the wrap up of the finale felt very cut-off.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: joanna on June 12, 2008, 05:41:41 PM
YAAAAAAAAAY!

is all i have to say.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Regular Joe on June 13, 2008, 12:26:20 AM
I hope the reunion show is good. I thought the wrap up of the finale felt very cut-off.

I think it will be good, there are some explosions I'm looking forward to this season. I really don't like how they changed the final contestants from 2 to 3. If there was anyone I ever wanted to see get done like Flavor did New York, it's the gorgon. All the same, I'm pleased to see it turn out the way it did! Such a well deserved win.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: jbissell on June 13, 2008, 01:41:18 AM
The Salon.com Conversations podcast posted an interview with Chef Tom.  I haven't listened to it yet but it's 30min. so might have some interesting stuff.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on June 13, 2008, 07:43:09 AM
Stephanie A.V. Club interview (http://www.avclub.com/content/interview/stephanie_izard?utm_source=from_tag).
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Omar on June 13, 2008, 08:53:51 AM
"From my limited interactions with her I can honestly say she is not nearly the ogre she was made out to be." -- T. Colicchio (http://www.bravotv.com/Top_Chef/season/4/blogs/index.php?blog=tom_colicchio&article=2008/06/a_womans_place).
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: jbissell on June 18, 2008, 11:58:26 PM
My favorite quote from the reunion: Andrew "I haven't played Advanced Dungeons & Dragons in years"

Richard's dream about having sex with his wife and then Mark walking in was the creepiest.

Stephanie!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Andy on June 19, 2008, 08:09:38 AM
too much spliced in laughter in not-that-funny poaces in the show. 
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: jbissell on June 19, 2008, 01:12:22 PM
One other thought...bromance?

really? i don't like this term and it needs to stop immediately.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on June 19, 2008, 01:14:13 PM
It was way too anti-climactic. This would have been muuuuuch better if they did it before the finale. They were all in Puerto Rico, apparently! They could've done it right there. You can bet, with Lisa still in the running, there would have been a lot more bitchery.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Martin on June 19, 2008, 01:25:14 PM
Agreed, Laurie.

How about that love connection? I'm sure her connect ran out and she needs to hook up with a new "conductor".

Stephanie: the people's champion!
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on June 19, 2008, 01:36:14 PM
It was way too anti-climactic. This would have been muuuuuch better if they did it before the finale. They were all in Puerto Rico, apparently! They could've done it right there. You can bet, with Lisa still in the running, there would have been a lot more bitchery.

i agree, Laurie.  reunion before the finale is always better.  you can see the bitterness in each of their smug faces while talking about why they were judged off the show and no-goods like Lisa are still on.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Laurie on June 19, 2008, 01:46:55 PM
And no one was obviously drunk!! Remember when Stephen the Sommelier got hammered? That was great.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: jbissell on June 19, 2008, 02:07:48 PM
And no one was obviously drunk!! Remember when Stephen the Sommelier got hammered? That was great.

That was really the only Bravo reunion show I've enjoyed.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Sarah on June 19, 2008, 08:35:15 PM
I didn't know what to expect, and I didn't like what I got.  Although I thought Dale was cute talking about his mummy and church.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Regular Joe on July 22, 2008, 05:09:44 AM
Top Chef Junior (http://eater.com/archives/2008/06/death_to_societ.php)

Quote
From the release: 'With 'Top Chef Junior' we're reaching a growing market and are developing a series that will teach and test the skills of younger aspiring chefs and appeal to the whole family."

I can't wait to see Gail Simmons shattering the dreams of a squadron of 14 year olds.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: jbissell on July 22, 2008, 08:37:02 AM
Top Chef Junior (http://eater.com/archives/2008/06/death_to_societ.php)

Quote
From the release: 'With 'Top Chef Junior' we're reaching a growing market and are developing a series that will teach and test the skills of younger aspiring chefs and appeal to the whole family."

I can't wait to see Gail Simmons shattering the dreams of a squadron of 14 year olds.

Sounds like it'll pair nicely with  Sarah Jessica Parker's 'American Artist'  (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i1da5db18eb0203bbeb07d4d8fee26254).

No thanks.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: senorcorazon on July 22, 2008, 11:57:34 AM
Top Chef Junior (http://eater.com/archives/2008/06/death_to_societ.php)

Quote
From the release: 'With 'Top Chef Junior' we're reaching a growing market and are developing a series that will teach and test the skills of younger aspiring chefs and appeal to the whole family."

I can't wait to see Gail Simmons shattering the dreams of a squadron of 14 year olds.

Sounds like it'll pair nicely with  Sarah Jessica Parker's 'American Artist'  (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i1da5db18eb0203bbeb07d4d8fee26254).

No thanks.

This is the blurst thing ever.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: Regular Joe on July 22, 2008, 04:16:08 PM
Sounds like it'll pair nicely with  Sarah Jessica Parker's 'American Artist'  (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i1da5db18eb0203bbeb07d4d8fee26254).

No thanks.

Potential "Pack your knives and go" catchphrases for that show:

* "Your self expression is meaningless. Toodle-oo."

* "Get the the hell out of my loft."

* "Go wash your beret."
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: senorcorazon on July 23, 2008, 08:50:34 AM
* "Get the the hell out of my loft."

I think we have a winner. Possible others:

* "Your trust fund... is cashed out"
* "Get your palette knife and go back to the temp agency"
* "Prepare for an office job that will crush any dream you had of supporting yourself through making art." (Okay, not very catchy)
* (If this were made 5 years ago): "Your PBR is warm and you got crabs from that one-night stand with the guy from The Strokes"
* "Take your free copy of the Sex and the City movie and leave"
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: jbissell on July 24, 2008, 11:09:16 AM
Has anyone been watching the new season of PR? Between Blayne, Suede, and Debbie Downer Stella, this might be the most annoying season ever and it's only 2 episodes in. At least it'll be easy to stop watching the show once it moves to Lifetime.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on July 24, 2008, 11:24:27 AM
ive already decided that once it moves to lifetime i'll probably stop watching.  i cant help it; the channel makes my stomach ache.

ive come to expect certain (annoying) behavior from 2-3 contestants as a given.  i hate to admit it, but i kind of like Stella.  she reminds me of Sweet Pea, but less Sweet (and less talented), but she seems genuine.  Keith, Korto, Daniel, and Korto can stay; im okay with this season's designers. 

at the same time, i cant stand most of them. 
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: jbissell on July 24, 2008, 11:28:59 AM
Stella reminds me of Rachel Dratch's Debbie Downer. That being said, I'll take her seemingly genuine love of leather over Suede's third person speech and Blayne's "licious" and tank tops any day.

I thought Amelie over at the AV Club made a great point about Bravo pretty much burying the show this season.  The only time I watch Bravo is when Top Chef is going but I noticed that they really weren't advertising much for PR. Hell, I didn't even know it had moved to 8pm/c.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on July 24, 2008, 11:44:34 AM
Stella reminds me of Rachel Dratch's Debbie Downer. That being said, I'll take her seemingly genuine love of leather over Suede's third person speech and Blayne's "licious" and tank tops any day.

I thought Amelie over at the AV Club made a great point about Bravo pretty much burying the show this season.  The only time I watch Bravo is when Top Chef is going but I noticed that they really weren't advertising much for PR. Hell, I didn't even know it had moved to 8pm/c.

oh yeah, Blayne...what a twerp.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: ughwhy on July 24, 2008, 09:50:26 PM
I love Stella. Can't stand what she designs (how last night's Trash & Vaudeville creation get into the top three?) but I love every single Queensborn word that comes out of her mouth. I think she'll be this year's Elisa--just batty enough to keep around for half a season.
Title: Re: Top Chef Chicago
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on July 25, 2008, 10:26:34 AM
yeah, but even Elisa grew on me- like moss.