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The Best Show on WFMU => Show Discussion => Topic started by: orangewhip on April 16, 2008, 12:23:07 AM
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At the same moment he said "Return to the 36 Chambers"
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At the same moment he said "Return to the 36 Chambers"
Not hearing it... http://www.wfmu.org/listen.ram?show=26936&archive=42216&starttime=1:31:13
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also, why no mention of Supreme Clientele when talking about Ghostface?
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You guys are probably taking it easier on HipHop than you should
granted I know u all are more rock people.
but to give my take
the whole friggin genre jumped the shark around '98
if Tom thinks metal is childish multiply that by 1000 for rap today.
oh yeah Tical was NOT good
and that had a definite reason in that RZA lost a lot of beats and albums in a fire/flood
including things for that album
singles were VERY good though.
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I missed all of this last night.
Wallabee Champ isn't even a real album, I feel cheated.
There's tons of good hip hop out now though, and since '98. Open your mind...
(http://static.flickr.com/51/127517993_6db2641f49_o.jpg)
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i wish I knew shit about hiphop, but I never had "that friend" who got me into it. someone recommend me something.
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Post '98 rap that doesn't suck:
The Coup - Pick a Bigger Weapon
Jay-Z - American Gangster; The Blueprint; The Black Album
Ghostface Killah - Supreme Clientele; The Pretty Toney Album (source of one of Tom's bed music instrumentals); Fishscale
DJ Muggs vs. GZA - Grandmasters
Wu-Tang Clan - 8 Diagrams
Cee-Lo - Cee-Lo Green Is the Soul Machine
Dungeon Family - Even in Darkness
MF DOOM - Operation Doomsday; MM FOOD; Viktor Vaughn: Vaudeville Villain
Ludacris - Back for the First Time
Nas - God's Son
Witchdoctor - Diary of an American Witchdoctor
Quasimoto - The Unseen; The Further Adventures of Lord Quas
This is just for starters, and I haven't gone into some of the potentially contentious love-hate dudes I like such as El-P and Lil Wayne.
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I'd add to the post 98 list:
Soul Position - 8 Million Stories
Sean Price - Monkey Barz
Redman - Malpractice
Strange Fruit Project - The Healing
That Think Differently Wu/Indie Culture album
Meth & Red - Blackout
Marco Polo - Port Authority
RZA - Digital Bullet
Kanye - Late Reg (although I'd be open to an argument that all 3 of his albums are pretty good...)
Dre - Chronic 2001
De La - Grind Date, both AOI albums
Styles P - Gangster & a Gentleman (his last album is pretty good too..)
Jadakiss - Kiss tha game goodbye
Common - Be
All the Jay Z/Beanie stuff on that Roc La Familia album is great, the rest not so much
The Beatnuts - Take it or squeeze it, Musical Massacre
Zion I - True & Livin'
Busdriver - Fear of a Black Tangent
Immortal Technique - Revolutionary's 1 and 2
Masta Ace even had a couple of good albums this decade.
I'm totally forgetting a few really good things too I'm sure. The 8 Mile Soundtrack had some cuts on it, although I know everyone hates the white boy...
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Mos Def - Black on Both Sides.
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Oh yeah, and every Roots album since then. They may not be as good as they used to be, but Things Fall Apart is top shelf, and Phrenology was a great album too. And there's always a few good cuts even now.
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Yeah, I know I'm busy at work and don't have a lot of time to schlep through my iPod but forgetting the Roots makes me feel like a Philadummy. And Kanye is a frequent visitor to my Hate Pit, but he's only there to stand at the observation deck safety railing, looking down and laughing at 50 Cent.
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I owe you a big apology, orangewhip. I agreed with Tom on the phone that you did not say Liquid Swords. I am listening now to the archive, and you totally did.
I am sorry.
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off the top of my head.
Wale- 100 Miles and Runnin
Rhymefest- Man in the Mirror
Rhymefest- Blue Collar
Tim Fite- Under the Counterculture
Brother Ali- Undisputed Truth
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I'd add Madvillian, the Dead Prez albums/mixtapes, the Clipse albums/mixtapes, Killer Mike,
I'd also mention that the album format has never been the best fit for hiphop. Its, for the most part, been a single-based medium where albums are made only because that has been the economic reality of the music business. There are tons of amazing artists (even pre-'98) who never recorded a classic or an even album.
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Agreed. Like Young Zee. Never had a good album, but dude is probably in the top 20 emcees of all time. He's like Earl the Goat, street legend.
But yeah, everything since '98 is garbage... YIKES.
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Like I said the whole genre jumped the shark.
Chronic 2001?!
Please none of those albums you mentioned could shine the shoes of an Illmatic or OB4CL
hell none of those albums stack up next to Bhuloone Mindstate. I believe it is a question of time and trends
production techniques etc.
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All rap since 1910 is terrible.
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All rap before 1998 is garbage. "Oooh bluh bluh bloo the world is yours I can rap well" man what
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All rap before 1998 is garbage. "Oooh bluh bluh bloo the world is yours I can rap well" man what
Sometimes the whole is more than the constituents parts. It wasn't that Nas was saying such great stuff
it is the way that album was so lovingly put together, so hungry, so free of the commercialism that choked out everything that came after. Even the one track with an eye towards radio play "It aint hard to tell" would be classed as stone cold outsider lefty backpack rap by todays standards. When at the time it was the musings of that generations typical high school senior.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-_IFAt8ka0[/youtube]
compare that to the more introspective stylings of De la few years earlier
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS4r5TSTJ30[/youtube]
the hope for us heads (me anyway) was a young turk like Nas would grow into something similar
but then everything went to complete shit
and it all became a race to the bottom.
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See no OK that "old rap sux" thing was a joke. I didn't mean for this to turn into the Status Ain't Hood comments section.
I like the old shit and the new shit. I love the crap out of Illmatic but I still think "Yaaaah!" is funny. I think this means there is something wrong with my brain.
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See no OK that "old rap sux" thing was a joke. I didn't mean for this to turn into the Status Ain't Hood comments section.
huh?
I like the old shit and the new shit. I love the crap out of Illmatic but I still think "Yaaaah!" is funny. I think this means there is something wrong with my brain.
whats "Yaaaah!"? Is that some current hit on the radio? (not trying to be funny, I really don't follow stuff)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfCmYyG-yg4
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hell none of those albums stack up next to Bhuloone Mindstate. I believe it is a question of time and trends
I'm a huge De la fan, but go back and listen to Buhloone Mindstate. I hate to say it, but I can't keep it on for more than about 5 minutes now.
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At the same moment he said "Return to the 36 Chambers"
Not hearing it... http://www.wfmu.org/listen.ram?show=26936&archive=42216&starttime=1:31:13
I heard you, orangewhip.
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hell none of those albums stack up next to Bhuloone Mindstate. I believe it is a question of time and trends
I'm a huge De la fan, but go back and listen to Buhloone Mindstate. I hate to say it, but I can't keep it on for more than about 5 minutes now.
Buhloone Mindstate is the only full De La album I still listen to. I love the first 4 so much, but I found myself skipping tracks on the other 3 enough that I didn't put the full albums on my ipod.
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I love Stakes is High
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Anybody heard the new Ghostface album full of odds and ends called The Wallabee Champ, its pretty good?
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hell none of those albums stack up next to Bhuloone Mindstate. I believe it is a question of time and trends
I'm a huge De la fan, but go back and listen to Buhloone Mindstate. I hate to say it, but I can't keep it on for more than about 5 minutes now.
I hate to sound like a snob but maybe you just don't understand it. that album from front to back is a masterpiece (to me anyway) everything single space was so crafted. Nothing there is disposable, you see people treating rap as legitimate art without being preachy.
In my opinion Stakes is High was De La doing a normal market driven rap album, good for the time, but not transcendent. All the subsequent albums fell deeper and deeper in the hole.
I want nothing to do with that stuff that Samir posted
it just shows how far things deteriorated into absolute trash, I'm depressed somebody got me to watch that
I usually avoid all that crap.
This was a "hit" rap song in 1992
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04Z8R5vRIJM[/youtube]
when you read all the youtube comments
kids only know it as the song from the NBA video game
damn, now I'm depressed
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I was 16 when TROY hit. It changed everything. Chills whenever I hear it, to this day.
Remember "hip hop don't play no R&B"? Phife said that, in 1991.
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This was also a hit in 1992.
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=_x4TS5LQnO4[/youtube]
This was a hit last year.
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=t3PgZ9bqShc[/youtube]
There's always been commercial garbage-ass bullshit bumping elbows with legit stone classics. Do you really want to be the Little Steven of rap?
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This was also a hit in 1992.
This was a hit last year.
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=t3PgZ9bqShc[/youtube]
There's always been commercial garbage-ass bullshit bumping elbows with legit stone classics. Do you really want to be the Little Steven of rap?
what was the 2nd thing?
I'm a miserable old man I'm at peace with that.
Still at one time there use to be a balance between the crap and the decent now inmates run the asylum. The whole thing is garbage.
Part of the reason I'm so happy the entire music industry is in the crapper
It would be a beautiful thing to see every major record label go bankrupt in the next 20 years.
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I believe the second video is UGK (feat. Outkast) "Int'l Player's Anthem.
On a related note, I urge everyone on this thread to check out Big Boi's "Royal Flush" feat Raekwon and Andre 3000 if they haven't already.
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I believe the second video is UGK (feat. Outkast) "Int'l Player's Anthem.
On a related note, I urge everyone on this thread to check out Big Boi's "Royal Flush" feat Raekwon and Andre 3000 if they haven't already.
uggh "player anthem"?
20 yrears later these morons are still stuck in rapping about same nonsense and not in a partucularly clever way.
boooooo
I'm so sick of crap like that
I'd encourage everyone NOT to check out that stuff
Metallica is more redeeming.
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I believe the second video is UGK (feat. Outkast) "Int'l Player's Anthem.
On a related note, I urge everyone on this thread to check out Big Boi's "Royal Flush" feat Raekwon and Andre 3000 if they haven't already.
uggh "player anthem"?
20 yrears later these morons are still stuck in rapping about same nonsense and not in a partucularly clever way.
boooooo
I'm so sick of crap like that
I'd encourage everyone NOT to check out that stuff
Metallica is more redeeming.
Did you listen to the actual song? I think it's more than a stretch to call Andre's verse "nonsense" and somebody like Bun B a "moron".
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On a related note, I urge everyone on this thread to check out Big Boi's "Royal Flush" feat Raekwon and Andre 3000 if they haven't already.
Seconded. I'm so glad Andre 3000 started rapping again.
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So, Derrick Colemans sneaker store. I had no idea he owned one, but after Tom asked me about it I wondered "I wonder if it's that SNYX place I drive by every other day?". I asked around and....It is. Still haven't been there though. He owns this whole little strip of stores. There is also a barbershop and a Hungry Howies Pizza. It looks like a nice store though.
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So, Derrick Colemans sneaker store. I had no idea he owned one, but after Tom asked me about it I wondered "I wonder if it's that SNYX place I drive by every other day?". I asked around and....It is.
Whupdie-damn-do! Though in all seriousness, do all of the shoes feature React Juice?
(Am I the only one who remembers D.C.'s animated Converse ads? I hope not cause that is what I'm referencing here.)
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Well if you ask me, I think all damn sneakers jumped the shark back in '98 too.
I hope that by the next 20 years, everyone has to go barefoot!