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FOT Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: dania on April 16, 2008, 06:41:23 PM
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What's he, blessing potholes or some jazz? They're wasting my tax dollars throwing him a birthday party. Total kids' stuff for an 81 year old. I'm angry.
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This story is totally eclipsing the one about Martha Stewart's dog dying.
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All I can say is you'd better hope the pope gatherings are held far, far away from your house/place of business.
It didn't go so well for this one guy back in 2002. (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20030125/deboer_store_opening_030125?s_name=&no_ads=)
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What's he, blessing potholes or some jazz? They're wasting my tax dollars throwing him a birthday party. Total kids' stuff for an 81 year old. I'm angry.
I'm pretty sure he's here on a special mission to annoy you.
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he's primarily here to address the general assembly of the united nations. the pope is also a head of state, so he's also making an official state visit to the white house. the primary function of the pope is spiritual leader to one of the world's largest religions, so visiting one of the world's most populous catholic nations is also an important pastoral trip. it may seem trivial to those looking in from the outside, but it is a pretty big deal to those of us who are practicing catholics. this sort of thing only happens once every ten years or so, so indulge us for just a little bit.
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I think he's mostly just popin' around.
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he's primarily here to address the general assembly of the united nations.
And, y'know, apologize for all the kid-touching. Although it is good that he's actually acknowledging that this shit really did happen to a lot of people.
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he's primarily here to address the general assembly of the united nations. the pope is also a head of state, so he's also making an official state visit to the white house. the primary function of the pope is spiritual leader to one of the world's largest religions, so visiting one of the world's most populous catholic nations is also an important pastoral trip. it may seem trivial to those looking in from the outside, but it is a pretty big deal to those of us who are practicing catholics. this sort of thing only happens once every ten years or so, so indulge us for just a little bit.
"Important" in what way? He's gonna come, shake some hands, say some prayers, and leave. The whole thing is a big media circus over something pretty trivial.
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Eh it may be trivial to some of us (or you), but to thousands of people it isn't... He's like any leader who has followers in different countries. They go on visits every now and then. PR, baby.
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any trip by some big important guy is "trivial" and symbolic. Do you think Reagan and Gorbachev were hammering out the details of the salt treaty themselves? All the real work of politicians is done by their staff.
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he's primarily here to address the general assembly of the united nations. the pope is also a head of state, so he's also making an official state visit to the white house. the primary function of the pope is spiritual leader to one of the world's largest religions, so visiting one of the world's most populous catholic nations is also an important pastoral trip. it may seem trivial to those looking in from the outside, but it is a pretty big deal to those of us who are practicing catholics. this sort of thing only happens once every ten years or so, so indulge us for just a little bit.
"Important" in what way? He's gonna come, shake some hands, say some prayers, and leave. The whole thing is a big media circus over something pretty trivial.
i think erika put it well... it is PR. lots of important people do little visits to far away places to remind people they're there and still care about them. and there's nothing trivial about it. a big chunk of the news you see every night is a result of staged events. even if people think it's stupid, narrow minded, medieval or whatever, he's the head of my and millions of other people's church, and what he says regarding god, the environment, the war in iraq, social justice and yes 'saying sorry for the kid touching' (something that still pisses me off) means a lot to us.
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Is he holding mass at Yankee Stadium or just visiting?
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Yea, but Reagan and Gorbachev were heads of state. Sure, the Pope is TECHNICALLY a head of state, but is he really negotiating tariff prices or talking about the Vatican's oil exports? No, he's coming as a representative of the church, not President of the world's smallest city-state.
I just think "the pope's visit" is one of those evergreen news stories that don't mean anything except that people get excited whenever it happens. And most of those people are excited because they remember the LAST media circus where there was tons of news coverage. It's a self-fulfilling news story.
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To announce the launch of the Death Star.
(http://dilate.choonz.com/images/popestarwars.jpg)
Stupid Nazi pope. "Whoops, sorry about all that pedophilia for the past 40 years or so. No, we still won't allow anyone with a vagina to hand out the crackers because Jesus hated women." I love this quote from John Paul II: "I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful". Apparently, the Church isn't allowed to make a decision.
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he's primarily here to address the general assembly of the united nations. the pope is also a head of state, so he's also making an official state visit to the white house. the primary function of the pope is spiritual leader to one of the world's largest religions, so visiting one of the world's most populous catholic nations is also an important pastoral trip. it may seem trivial to those looking in from the outside, but it is a pretty big deal to those of us who are practicing catholics. this sort of thing only happens once every ten years or so, so indulge us for just a little bit.
"Important" in what way? He's gonna come, shake some hands, say some prayers, and leave. The whole thing is a big media circus over something pretty trivial.
You've just offended me. I'm going to explode myself really close to your house or car, so you might get hurt too.
My dad is Mr. Lapsed Catholic. He did not miss the fact that the Supreme Court upheld stiff death penalty standards and then went from there to share cocktails with the pope, one of the world's most prominent anti-capital-punishment dudes.
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To announce the launch of the Death Star.
(http://dilate.choonz.com/images/popestarwars.jpg)
Stupid Nazi pope.
Pope yes, stupid, Nazi, no. Not expecting everyone to love Catholicism, or any religion at all, but come on.
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I've got to agree that casting him as a Nazi is totally unfair. He was legally required to join Hitler Youth, and 80%-90% of his peers were also members. It wasn't his fault that he was a teenager in a fascist state.
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teenager in a fascist state.
That's my favorite doo wop song.
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The pope is the spiritual leader of like 1+ billion people.
Imagine the flash mob he could call up if he wanted to?
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I've got to agree that casting him as a Nazi is totally unfair. He was legally required to join Hitler Youth, and 80%-90% of his peers were also members. It wasn't his fault that he was a teenager in a fascist state.
I understand that for every other person and it's excusable, but this is supposed to be God's #1 guy on the planet. The Big Guy with the Beard couldn't have picked one of the 10-20% who dissented?
That, and the being the puppet master for the last pope in all the evil ways for the last 20 years is a little disappointing.
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I wonder if they stick homeless people on buses to random cities during a papal visit like they do during the Olympics?
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It's perplexing that the spiritual head of Buddhism, a religion that has been around far, far longer than Catholicism, would get such a low amount of attention from the media compared to the Pope. Why am I not surprised.
He's only the head of Tibetan Buddhism.
He's only the head of Roman Catholicism.
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I heard he wanted to go to Beatlefest but his handlers got the date wrong.
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Oh, here it is:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/alembic14/poster19447577.jpg)
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Yes, why would the pope come here?
I'm sure after seeing the funny prank pictures some of you made he will head straight back to vatican city.
Send that stuff in to Jay Leno, you'll make a mint.
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I'm an atheist and I find much of the church's teachings to be offensive and wrong. Nevertheless, unlike some strains of American fundamentalist christianity, the catholic church has taken a progressive and commendable stance on a number of issues, from the death penalty, to economic justice, the environment, and war.
For instance, the pope has even spoken out against the cruelty of factory farms:
http://www.goveg.com/pdfs/PopeAdEaster.pdf
I'm sure most people reading this board know all of this, but I sometimes find it strange to see the catholic church so readily equated with the wrongs of American cultural conservatism. The church has its own set of peculiar evils and problems.
When people I often disagree with come out with something good, I want to commend them, rather than point out where we still disagree in an obnoxious way.
It's perplexing that the spiritual head of Buddhism, a religion that has been around far, far longer than Catholicism, would get such a low amount of attention from the media compared to the Pope. Why am I not surprised.
He's only the head of Tibetan Buddhism.
He's only the head of Roman Catholicism.
My point wasn't that the pope is more important than the the dalai lama. Just that he's got the numbers on his side. There are around a billion catholics, and maybe 350-400 million buddhists of all stripes, with Tibetan buddhists some small fraction of that. I don't really think it's media bias that explains the different levels of coverage.
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I was startled to see how few Buddhists there are and so, of course, had to check the figure. This led me to the even more startling discovery that apparently there are only fifteen million Jews worldwide, approximately one-third in Israel and one-third in the U.S.
I also note that there are only 32,200,000 million people in Canada--another reason to wish I lived there.
P.S. I got up at 4:30 today.
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It's perplexing that the spiritual head of Buddhism, a religion that has been around far, far longer than Catholicism, would get such a low amount of attention from the media compared to the Pope. Why am I not surprised.
Keep in mind the Dalai Lama is here a lot. Granted he's in exile but you can't expect the national news and our collective attention span to roll out the red carpet every time His Holiness is in Bethlehem, PA for 6 days (July 10-15).
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My brother, who works at the Department of the Interior, had to go out to the local radio shack to buy a cable and walked right into a huge crowd chanting Hallelujah as the Pope Mobile drove by. Kirk insists that the Pope winked at him when he loudly wished him Happy Birthday.
That run on sentence is just dying to be FIXED! Have at it.
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DAMNED PONTIFF HAS TAKEN OVER EVERY CHANNEL ON TV TODAY.
Listen Pope, I just want to watch a little bit of basketball. Just give me that. I've got all these snacks.
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I'm an atheist and I find much of the church's teachings to be offensive and wrong. Nevertheless, unlike some strains of American fundamentalist christianity, the catholic church has taken a progressive and commendable stance on a number of issues, from the death penalty, to economic justice, the environment, and war.
And abortion!
Wait
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Pope's a good guy, I'm not disputing that, but he's not Gyod (that's my way of spelling G-d). Why do people act as if he were Gyod? That's the real kicker for me, when a person can have that much influence over that many people, it's scary and shocking especially when I hear him speak and I can barely understand anything he's saying and it wouldn't take a genius to come up with any of that stuff anyhow and I say to myself, "is this a run-on sentence?"
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Dania, I think what you're trying to say is that he sounds stupid and he should go shop for a coffin.
He's supposed to be the voice of Gyod on Earth. It's a big deal. He's supposed to literally be God's mouthpiece on Earth. It's a lot of power. Martin Luther didn't like it either. Many consider the Pope the Antichrist.
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Pope's a good guy, I'm not disputing that, but he's not Gyod (that's my way of spelling G-d). Why do people act as if he were Gyod? That's the real kicker for me, when a person can have that much influence over that many people, it's scary and shocking especially when I hear him speak and I can barely understand anything he's saying and it wouldn't take a genius to come up with any of that stuff anyhow and I say to myself, "is this a run-on sentence?"
you have something in common with conservative jews, who also refuse to write the name of god... although i suspect for different reasons
i don't believe people treat the pope like a god... just the head of his church. i think the frenzy has a lot to do with this age of celebrity, 24 hour media coverage, and also that he's the head of the world's largest religion... that's a pretty powerful combination.
i think the main reason you can't understand him is his thick bavarian accent and that he's 81 years old. benedict xvi is in fact a very learned man who speaks in ten languages and has two doctorates. he has been criticized for writing encyclicals that are in fact too academic and scholarly and that go way over most people's heads. his homilies are much simpler so that might be the reason why you don't think they are that original, but nonetheless they are based in pretty profound theology.
i can understand how you don't get why people are making such a big deal about it... i don't get phish and nascar, but they have lots of fanatical followers, and i don't suppose anybody can explain to me why they're so popular. and i guess the pope and his fans are a hard thing to explain to you.
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Pope's a good guy, I'm not disputing that, but he's not Gyod (that's my way of spelling G-d). Why do people act as if he were Gyod? That's the real kicker for me, when a person can have that much influence over that many people, it's scary and shocking especially when I hear him speak and I can barely understand anything he's saying and it wouldn't take a genius to come up with any of that stuff anyhow and I say to myself, "is this a run-on sentence?"
you have something in common with conservative jews, who also refuse to write the name of god... although i suspect for different reasons
i don't believe people treat the pope like a god... just the head of his church. i think the frenzy has a lot to do with this age of celebrity, 24 hour media coverage, and also that he's the head of the world's largest religion... that's a pretty powerful combination.
i think the main reason you can't understand him is his thick bavarian accent and that he's 81 years old. benedict xvi is in fact a very learned man who speaks in ten languages and has two doctorates. he has been criticized for writing encyclicals that are in fact too academic and scholarly and that go way over most people's heads. his homilies are much simpler so that might be the reason why you don't think they are that original, but nonetheless they are based in pretty profound theology.
i can understand how you don't get why people are making such a big deal about it... i don't get phish and nascar, but they have lots of fanatical followers, and i don't suppose anybody can explain to me why they're so popular. and i guess the pope and his fans are a hard thing to explain to you.
What, no fourth edit?
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What, no fourth edit?
Stan, by revealing how often and how frequently you've visited this thread, you've zung Chris L with what I could only call a suicide zing; you've zung yourself in the process. But I like you, so I'll make this into a suicide zing myself: it's like when Mister Fantastic chases Galactus off with the Ultimate Nullifier.
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What, no fourth edit?
Stan, by revealing how often and how frequently you've visited this thread, you've zung Chris L with what I could only call a suicide zing; you've zung yourself in the process. But I like you, so I'll make this into a suicide zing myself: it's like when Mister Fantastic chases Galactus off with the Ultimate Nullifier.
Does this mean the thread will fold in upon itself and disappear?
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What, no fourth edit?
Stan, by revealing how often and how frequently you've visited this thread, you've zung Chris L with what I could only call a suicide zing; you've zung yourself in the process. But I like you, so I'll make this into a suicide zing myself: it's like when Mister Fantastic chases Galactus off with the Ultimate Nullifier.
I've fallen on my sword and I can't get up.
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He's supposed to literally be God's mouthpiece on Earth.
Gyod's secondary mouthpiece
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Gyod's secondary mouthpiece
I thought Bob Odenkirk was a genius for creating the Cursing Preacher on Mr. Show, but I guess he stole that one. Creflo Dollar has nothing on this guy.
If I remember correctly, I think the priest at my church used to instruct us to "repeat it after me, bitch".