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FOT Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: John Junk 2.0 on July 26, 2008, 12:36:43 PM
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It's my religion, and I'm doing a project about friars and papal politics in the Age of Exploration. I'm milking Wikipedia for all it's worth, but I'm pretty much a Catholidummy. A lot of you seem much smarter than me. I know this is a long shot. Send me a PM if you can drop me some science.
Worth a shot anyway.
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Contact John Allen (a sometime WFMU DJ/host) if you haven't already. He is a papal historian/biographer.
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Sweet! Thanks.
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Try Catholic Encyclopedia.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/
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This book is pretty readable and entertaining.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes
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This book is pretty readable and entertaining.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes
That's an awesome book title.
I was honestly thinking of purchasing the "For Dummies" book. I probably will. Currently I'm mining free lectures from iTunesU, but they're all from Berkeley and not really the proper information. Though they're interesting.
I think I probably shan't bother John Allen about this.
Thanks for the catholic encyclopedia link too!
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There's also The Oxford Dictionary of Saints, which is a pretty good reference book if you need further background.
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Once upon a time, a person in your position would go to a place called the "library." There, shelved according to a logical system, were lodged all manner of objects called "books." To find books on the subject about which one sought information, one looked in a "card catalog" or, in more modern times, in a computerized listing, which would direct one to the appropriate shelf or shelves.
And they all lived happily ever after.
The End
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Once upon a time, a person in your position would go to a place called the "library." There, shelved according to a logical system, were lodged all manner of objects called "books." To find books on the subject about which one sought information, one looked in a "card catalog" or, in more modern times, in a computerized listing, which would direct one to the appropriate shelf or shelves.
And they all lived happily ever after.
The End
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I graduated to advanced snark quite a while ago, yesno, but thanks anyway!
Edit: Wait! I didn't realize you had created an entire front cover. Now I want to know where my royalties are.
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Once upon a time, a person in your position would go to a place called the "library." There, shelved according to a logical system, were lodged all manner of objects called "books." To find books on the subject about which one sought information, one looked in a "card catalog" or, in more modern times, in a computerized listing, which would direct one to the appropriate shelf or shelves.
And they all lived happily ever after.
The End
Well look at you Ms. Fancypants!
Have you been training at the feet of Emma?
I'd rather not visit my library --it's filled with hoboes and tweens playing World of Warcraft.*
* I don't know what the hell they're doing but it's annoying.
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I saw this great movie on the catholic church called Dogma.
you might want to check that out.
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Everything I know about my religion I learned from this man.
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Everything I know about my religion I learned from this man.
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/118/305304114_aff9f25c4c.jpg?v=0)
Oh, I'm sure you could learn a thing or two from that thing. I just wouldn't to spend more than, oh... twenty minutes with it.
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Well look at you Ms. Fancypants!
Have you been training at the feet of Emma?
I was cracking wise long before Emma was born. Possibly even before her parents were born.
Snark aside, I do think looking at books is a more thorough way of researching, unless you're one of the relatively rare people who don't mind reading long passages of text onscreen. And then there's being able to have six or ten books open on a table when one wants to compare and contrast stuff. Flipping among windows or several windows open at once doesn't compare. But this prejudice could be a result of my great age.
By way of apology, here's (http://www.planetpapers.com/Assets/263.php) a paper you could steal. At the very least, the short bibliography might come in handy.
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I have a theory that the internet makes bad researchers better and good researchers worse.
It can't be beat for speed, though.
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Sarah,
Thanks for the link.
I agree about books over text. My thing is, in all honesty, I went to the library at CalArts and got out like ten books, but now I'm at home, thirty miles from there, and I'm realizing that I didn't get books out on what I actually need to research. I was hoping some people could point me towards some good material because I have a habit of checking out tons of esoteric shit that I read four sentences of. For instance, a book about feminist theological issues that I checked out even though I can barely list off who wrote the gospels let alone start thinking more in-depth about the significance of Judith in the patriarchal context of her time and of today.
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You still need books because information straight off the internet is so often untrustworthy or incomplete. The internet is certainly very powerful when it comes to finding and obtaining the right books, however.
The biggest problem with a library is that a person's research potential is limited by the quality of the library(ies) they have access to.
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When I was a student at Fordham, I found the New Advent Encyclopedia (http://home.newadvent.org/) is an authoritative if not biased resource for church history.
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religion
science
Irony!
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You may have looked into this already, but I imagine that checkout privileges at CalArts also means you have access to any number of journal/periodical databases via CalArts--probably some you can even access remotely. Kinda like the Internet only smarter. You might consider calling up the reference desk and posing your question to the folks there, they might have some suggestions to help you narrow your searches.
I mean, my mother's a darn college librarian and she talks this stuff up all the time but I only just realized that my New York Public Library card gave me access to databases. So I feel like it's a thing a person overlooks. And you can do it in your jammies!
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Didn't we have a pretty good Catholicism thread way back in the beginning of FOTchan, when you could still chose whether to be anonymous or not?
(Or does my memory wear rose-colored glasses?)
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You may have looked into this already, but I imagine that checkout privileges at CalArts also means you have access to any number of journal/periodical databases via CalArts--probably some you can even access remotely. Kinda like the Internet only smarter. You might consider calling up the reference desk and posing your question to the folks there, they might have some suggestions to help you narrow your searches.
I mean, my mother's a darn college librarian and she talks this stuff up all the time but I only just realized that my New York Public Library card gave me access to databases. So I feel like it's a thing a person overlooks. And you can do it in your jammies!
I second this suggestion- I've made a lot of research papers sound more impressive than they were by searching journal databases instead of Google.
As far as I can tell from various friends, Catholicism seems like less fun Judaism. Though that observation probably won't help your research much.
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In my quest to find more "referency" sites for you, I came across this article, "Navigating your relationship during a recession" accompanied by this great graphic:
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m47/hippocatgeek/couplerecession1.jpg)
on this site: http://www.bustedhalo.com/features/PureSexPureLove72RelationshipsRecession.htm
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Maybe this audio book/lecture could be useful:
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/100000710&tab=holdings
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As far as I can tell from various friends, Catholicism seems like less fun Judaism. Though that observation probably won't help your research much.
Mardis Gras and a hundred other celebrations are originally catholic... sounds fun to me. Plus stuff like the "Bad Popes" is great. A Cadaver Synod is called for now and again, frankly. My personal experience is that catholic wedding receptions tend to feature a lot more drunkenness and silly dancing than protestant ones-- I'd be curious as to how a jewish one rates on the debauchery scale. And we all know what the Red Hot Chili Peppers taught us about Catholic school girls.
and for certain values of "fun"--
I generally think that a lot of smart westerners tend to underrate the interestingness and depth of catholic/christian religious thought: from the psychedelic meister eckhart to the insanely systematic aquinas, from the asceticism of thomas à kempis to the seriously interesting life of st. francis: heck, from ignatius of loyola and josemaría escrivá to cardinal newmand and gk chesterton, there are many interesting writers, thinkers and lives bound up in the church. I think that because it's so close to us, we sometimes have a harder time seeing it, whileas the tripitaka or something seems removed from politics and history.
(And in case you don't remember from older threads-- and why would you?-- I'm a pretty determined atheist. I just find this stuff interesting. Not to mention the sheer dungeons and dragons-like pleasure to be had from actually parsing out the specifics of catholic theology like limbo and transubstantiation.)
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the borgia popes are fun and historical
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Didn't we have a pretty good Catholicism thread way back in the beginning of Chinatown, when you could still chose whether to be anonymous or not?
(Or does my memory wear rose-colored glasses?)
Indeed it does not, sir. (http://www.friendsoftom.com/forum/index.php/topic,2276.0.html)
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One starting point for your research might be checking out some general histories of the religious orders with ties to evangelization in the "new lands," - like the Franciscans, the Dominicans, and maybe the Jesuits? My copy of "A Concise History of the Catholic Church" mentions "A History of the Franciscan Order from its Origins to the Year 1517" (by John Richard Moorman) as a good general history of that order.
And do you have "Jon Stamos Has a Black Eye" t-shirts available on Cafe Press yet?
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Ha! I'll get to work on that.
I think Jews and Catholics are in a dead heat w/r/t wedding fun. I can attest to actually having fun at my grandpa's Irish Catholic wake. And no, his name is not Finnegan.
I'm going to the book store today, so I'm gonna make a list of some of these books you guys mentioned. Bad Popes is at the top.
I agree, it's much more fun to learn about this stuff now that I'm removed from the structure of the church proper and am not expected to actually believe that these people are touched by the hand of god and whatnot.
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As far as I can tell from various friends, Catholicism seems like less fun Judaism. Though that observation probably won't help your research much.
Mardis Gras and a hundred other celebrations are originally catholic... sounds fun to me. Plus stuff like the "Bad Popes" is great. A Cadaver Synod is called for now and again, frankly. My personal experience is that catholic wedding receptions tend to feature a lot more drunkenness and silly dancing than protestant ones-- I'd be curious as to how a jewish one rates on the debauchery scale. And we all know what the Red Hot Chili Peppers taught us about Catholic school girls.
and for certain values of "fun"--
I generally think that a lot of smart westerners tend to underrate the interestingness and depth of catholic/christian religious thought: from the psychedelic meister eckhart to the insanely systematic aquinas, from the asceticism of thomas à kempis to the seriously interesting life of st. francis: heck, from ignatius of loyola and josemaría escrivá to cardinal newmand and gk chesterton, there are many interesting writers, thinkers and lives bound up in the church. I think that because it's so close to us, we sometimes have a harder time seeing it, whileas the tripitaka or something seems removed from politics and history.
(And in case you don't remember from older threads-- and why would you?-- I'm a pretty determined atheist. I just find this stuff interesting. Not to mention the sheer dungeons and dragons-like pleasure to be had from actually parsing out the specifics of catholic theology like limbo and transubstantiation.)
Speaking more of the day-to-day observation of it, most Jewish occasions are intended to be joyous. Even Shabbat is a day of celebration. I'm kind of the classic archetype of a Jewish-raised atheist and I've never had a "world religions" class that went beyond the most superficial aspects of anything, so I fully acknowledge that I don't know much about the history or theology of either branch of Chistianity. As far as I can tell (and I'm no expert in Jewish theology either- the fact that I can fluently read Hebrew phonetically but can't actually understand a word of it is telling) Judaism tends to celebrate survival, whether in the sense of defeating a literal enemy or giving thanks for the harvest, while Christianity celebrates things I don't understand.
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Christianity celebrates things I don't understand.
Read some Nietzsche. (Or don't.) He tackles this very topic.
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History of the Catholic Church = The Romans made Christianity lame.
Same goes for Paul of Tarsus. Way to the fun outta everything, you turd.
St. Augustine also sounds like he became FWD in his later years.
I do think St. Patrick's and the Apostles of Ireland's brand of Catholicism was probably pretty cool, though.
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History of the Catholic Church = The Romans made Christianity lame.
Same goes for Paul of Tarsus. Way to the fun outta everything, you turd.
St. Augustine also sounds like he became FWD in his later years.
I do think St. Patrick's and the Apostles of Ireland's brand of Catholicism was probably pretty cool, though.
Um, while I respect your right to have an opinion and express it on a public forum, are you being an offensive ignorant bigot on purpose, or are you just playing the caricature of one for fun?
A little tolerance and respect of divergent beliefs goes a long way toward fostering world peace and understanding.
Whereas spouting off the unsubstantiated (and historically suspect) ephemera of bigotry breeds contempt.
(FART!)
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History of the Catholic Church = The Romans made Christianity lame.
Same goes for Paul of Tarsus. Way to the fun outta everything, you turd.
St. Augustine also sounds like he became FWD in his later years.
I do think St. Patrick's and the Apostles of Ireland's brand of Catholicism was probably pretty cool, though.
Um, while I respect your right to have an opinion and express it on a public forum, are you being an offensive ignorant bigot on purpose, or are you just playing the caricature of one for fun?
A little tolerance and respect of divergent beliefs goes a long way toward fostering world peace and understanding.
Whereas spouting off the unsubstantiated (and historically suspect) ephemera of bigotry breeds contempt.
(FART!)
Here is my formal apology to every Roman that lived from AD 313 to 476. Some of my best friends are Romans from 313 to 476. I am also truly sorry that I inadvertently threw St. Paul and St. Augustine under the bus, making me look like a bigot - calling St. Paul a turd and St. Augustine a FWD was a little extreme, I know that now and I'm sorry. I hope that they can accept my apology and practice some of that forgiveness that your friend and mine, the Christ Jesus, was always talking about. I still, however, think that St. Patrick and co. are pretty bitchin'.
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just this...
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Wow... mylo's really bringing the goods.
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This book is pretty readable and entertaining.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes
That's an awesome book title.
It's also an awesome potential band name.