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Title: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Josh Fenderman on August 11, 2008, 05:38:38 PM
In reference to the discussion about hip hop artists using horrible rock like Coldplay (which I don't is that bad) and The Police (also not really worthy of the "horrible" distinction) I would just like to say:

I am a Phil Collins fan. No irony here.  Just a fan.  Have been since I was a kid (early 80s).

Who wants to fight me? I'll go to mat for my man Phil.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3100/2754924976_8700a5e972.jpg)
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: jbissell on August 11, 2008, 05:50:53 PM
Are you a fan of his work on Disney's Tarzan?
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: KickTheBobo on August 11, 2008, 06:46:15 PM

I am a Phil Collins fan. No irony here.  Just a fan.  Have been since I was a kid (early 80s).


If you can honestly say that you saw 'Buster' when it was in theatres, then I will respect your claim as a fan.

Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Julie on August 11, 2008, 06:47:21 PM
OH GOD! I'll fight you.

Phil Collins is a major dick and his music sucks.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Fido on August 11, 2008, 06:58:30 PM
In reference to the discussion about hip hop artists using horrible rock like Coldplay (which I don't is that bad) and The Police (also not really worthy of the "horrible" distinction) I would just like to say:

I am a Phil Collins fan. No irony here.  Just a fan.  Have been since I was a kid (early 80s).

Who wants to fight me? I'll go to mat for my man Phil.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3100/2754924976_8700a5e972.jpg)

Them's fightin' words, son.  Let's go.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Spoony on August 11, 2008, 07:09:32 PM
Woof. Testing the post-FOTChan steel, eh?
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Julie on August 11, 2008, 07:51:26 PM
So what?
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Matt C on August 11, 2008, 08:39:33 PM
Phil Collins is a major dick

 ???
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: dave from knoxville on August 11, 2008, 08:49:00 PM
In reference to the discussion about hip hop artists using horrible rock like Coldplay (which I don't is that bad) and The Police (also not really worthy of the "horrible" distinction) I would just like to say:

I am a Phil Collins fan. No irony here.  Just a fan.  Have been since I was a kid (early 80s).

Who wants to fight me? I'll go to mat for my man Phil.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3100/2754924976_8700a5e972.jpg)

I got your back, Josh, we've got all the CD's, he's Carol from Knoxville's favorite singer, I DID see Buster in theaters, and we've even seen him live 2 or 3 times. I've had a fondness for the ugly little troll since I saw him at Vanderbilt in 1978 (I think) on Genesis's Wind and Wuthering tour. He's like the uncle you still like DESPITE the fact that he can be a dick at the Thanksgiving dinner. We called ours William Earle, God bless his soul.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Fido on August 11, 2008, 10:00:59 PM
Woof. Testing the post-FOTChan steel, eh?

Haha, no, just fun and games, Spoony. I thought it would be ironic juxtaposition with my violence-is-never-justified-except-in-self-defense position in a concurrent thread. I guess I just needed a moment of tough talk to feel like a real man? How sad.

Seriously, Phil Collins is just about the absolutely most irritating recording artist I can think of. I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, after all, this is coming from a guy who laughs out loud at Andy Milonakis. You can draw your own conclusions.

In fairness, I should add that I kinda liked Coldplay a lot when I first heard them. I thought, this is great! Radiohead for the masses! And then realized months later that it is really sort of music made for light rock radio. It's funny how fine that line can be sometimes, for a less-than-discerning indie rock listener such as myself. I can't say I really dislike them at this point however.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: John Junk 2.0 on August 11, 2008, 10:33:14 PM
Julie, for a second I thought you wrote this:

OH GOD! I'll fight you.

Phil Collins has a major dick and his music sucks.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Spoony on August 11, 2008, 10:39:35 PM
Now that there's no FOTChan, I was wondering when the two-fisted posting would manifest on the regular board. No outlet!

I hear you Fido. But I'm also teasing Josh. He's like a gunslinger, itchin' for a brawl... and posting the most inflammatory remark that he could. Or like dropping a brick in the pinball champ's favorite machine.

Josh can't take the peace and quiet!

I am no fan of Phil Collins. But my god, is that picture of him cracking me up.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: masterofsparks on August 11, 2008, 10:49:02 PM
I unironically like the song Easy Lover.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: yesno on August 11, 2008, 10:57:47 PM
American Psycho made me an unironic fan of Huey Lewis, Phil Collins, and pretty much everything else Bateman was into.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: John Junk 2.0 on August 11, 2008, 11:03:54 PM
American Psycho made me an unironic fan of Huey Lewis, Phil Collins, and pretty much everything else Bateman was into.

...like murder.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Shaggy 2 Grote on August 11, 2008, 11:12:25 PM
Julie, for a second I thought you wrote this:

OH GOD! I'll fight you.

Phil Collins has a major dick and his music sucks.


Wait, she didn't?

I've fought with my parents about Phil Collins.  But you know what?  "In The Air Tonight" still pumps me up like I'm wearing a lavender suit and am about to bust up a major coke buy.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: namethebats on August 11, 2008, 11:27:40 PM
He did a great job staring off into the distance in that Bone Thugs-N-Harmony video.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: JonFromMaplewood on August 12, 2008, 12:29:40 AM
I saw Phil Collins solo in concert in high school and again with Genesis on the Invisible Touch tour.  I was way into him as the drummer during the Peter Gabriel years.

I am only slightly less embarassed by that previous paragraph than I am about wetting my pants on the first day of camp when I was seven.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Dan B on August 12, 2008, 01:28:21 AM
I like that John Cale album that he drums on.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: masterofsparks on August 12, 2008, 07:05:07 AM
Whatever flaws his music has (and it has plenty of them), he IS a pretty awesome drummer.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: dave from knoxville on August 12, 2008, 09:16:24 AM
Whatever flaws his music has (and it has plenty of them), he IS a pretty awesome drummer.

It's true; check out his work on the first couple of Brand X albums. It's a style he didn't often get to work in (sort of tornadic  prog jazz rock), but he rivals folks like Cobham and Lenny White.

I am a nerd.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Bryan on August 12, 2008, 10:24:02 AM
There's an interview with him on an episode of This American Life that I thought put him in a pretty good light. He seemed nice, smart and aware of his role in the music world.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Shaggy 2 Grote on August 12, 2008, 11:04:46 AM
Oh yeah, I liked that interview a lot.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Gibby on August 12, 2008, 11:17:26 AM
PROS:
He invented gated reverb.
He did a show here in Manchester with a segment where the spotlight picks out a woman in the audience to fauxmance; he chose my mum, which pretty much made her day.

CONS:
Buster
He made Genesis suck when he sang.
He doesn't sing anymore - he just makes Phil Collins noises from his mouth.

It's a really tough call.

Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Stan on August 12, 2008, 12:05:57 PM

He invented gated reverb.
He made Genesis suck when he sang.

 He ruined Genesis and shall reside in my hate pit for all eternity.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Beth on August 12, 2008, 12:32:20 PM
Are you a fan of his work on Disney's Tarzan?

I'll have you know that song makes me cry every time.


I got your back too, Fenderman.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: senorcorazon on August 12, 2008, 12:56:39 PM
"In The Air Tonight" still pumps me up like I'm wearing a lavender suit and am about to bust up a major coke buy.

Hell yes.

Also, the Genesis video with the puppets was a joy of mine when I was a whippersnapper.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on August 12, 2008, 05:38:41 PM
"In The Air Tonight" still pumps me up like I'm wearing a lavender suit and am about to bust up a major coke buy.

Hell yes.

Also, the Genesis video with the puppets was a joy of mine when I was a whippersnapper.

that video gave me nightmares.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Julie on August 12, 2008, 07:37:53 PM
Julie, for a second I thought you wrote this:

OH GOD! I'll fight you.

Phil Collins has a major dick and his music sucks.


Maybe I'd like him better if he had, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Julie on August 12, 2008, 07:40:24 PM
Hey! I thought this was the board where all of the closet Phil Collins fans threw everyone off their track by publicly saying he sucks! You guys make no sense.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Regular Joe on August 12, 2008, 11:34:14 PM
"In The Air Tonight" still pumps me up like I'm wearing a lavender suit and am about to bust up a major coke buy.

Hell yes.

Also, the Genesis video with the puppets was a joy of mine when I was a whippersnapper.

that video gave me nightmares.

This was one of two videos that would always be playing when I'd be getting ready for elementary school. It was haunting! The other one was that George Harrison video where all the furniture in the room starts rocking along with him (which at the time the single most amazing feat of technology imaginable. I would wonder to myself "how is he making the chest of drawers dance ?! Is this sorcery?").
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: jamesp on August 12, 2008, 11:51:01 PM
"In The Air Tonight" still pumps me up like I'm wearing a lavender suit and am about to bust up a major coke buy.

Hell yes.

Also, the Genesis video with the puppets was a joy of mine when I was a whippersnapper.

that video gave me nightmares.

This was one of two videos that would always be playing when I'd be getting ready for elementary school. It was haunting! The other one was that George Harrison video where all the furniture in the room starts rocking along with him (which at the time the single most amazing feat of technology imaginable. I would wonder to myself "how is he making the chest of drawers dance ?! Is this sorcery?").

Yeah that "Land of Confusion" video gave me the creeps. Those puppet faces are just too frightening. But I loved that George Harrison video for "I Got My Mind Set on You."

I was never a Phil Collins fan, but I do like the Police and Coldplay. I just don't think any of the three mix well with hip hop. What was the last good rap/rock collaboration that wasn't just a mash-up?
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: JonFromMaplewood on August 13, 2008, 02:10:19 AM
Imagine if you will:

You are fifteen or so and do not yet care whether a musical artist has hipster cred.
Lights finally go down at Madison Square Garden.
Crowd goes insane.
Drums beat in the dark. No other instruments. Just drums.
Lights at stage level shine up at the drum risers. The two drummers' shadows loom a good 40-feet high on the white curtain behind them.
The drummers are Phil Collins and Chester Thompson, banging away the opening of "I Don't Care Anymore."
The experience is overwhelming.

Who did that happen to?  Ha ha. No, not me. That guy was Mitch Cumstein...my roommate.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: John Junk 2.0 on August 13, 2008, 04:36:07 AM
Imagine if you will:

You are fifteen or so and do not yet care whether a musical artist has hipster cred.
Lights finally go down at Madison Square Garden.
Crowd goes insane.
Drums beat in the dark. No other instruments. Just drums.
Lights at stage level shine up at the drum risers. The two drummers' shadows loom a good 40-feet high on the white curtain behind them.

Sorry, but my fifteen year old self would've already recognized this as lame.

But it's okay for other people to enjoy themselves, I guess.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: <<<<< on August 13, 2008, 07:03:49 AM
I was fairly close-minded about music at fifteen.

Phil Collins out, Iron Maiden in.

I mean, c'mon, Phil didn't even have hair.   :D
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: JonFromMaplewood on August 13, 2008, 08:15:00 AM
I was fairly close-minded about music at fifteen.

Phil Collins out, Iron Maiden in.

I mean, c'mon, Phil didn't even have hair.   :D


I'm starting to get the feeling that we have an age difference here.  I am 39-years-old.  John Junk and Angstrom, I assume that you are younger.  When I saw Phil in concert, he actually did have a little artistic credibility still lingering. It was waning, but still there.  Any semblance of credibility was mostly due to pre-"Invisible Touch" Genesis.  That reputation had been slowly slipping away with each album since Peter Gabriel left..."A Trick of the Tail" is great if you are a fan of early Genesis, but by the time of their self titled album, it was getting hard to justify listening.

In sum, Phil Collins had more hair when I was fifteen than when you were fifteen.

(And btw, I'm bald.  What you got against us bald folks, Junior?)   : )
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Bryan on August 13, 2008, 10:04:24 AM

But it's okay for other people to enjoy themselves, I guess.

This is clearly untrue.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Shaggy 2 Grote on August 13, 2008, 10:35:40 AM
Sorry, but my fifteen year old self would've already recognized this as lame.

But it's okay for other people to enjoy themselves, I guess.

This reminds me of one of my more ridiculous marital arguments - I insisted to my wife that, even at 9 years old (or whenever it was), the familial relationship triangle between Darth Vader, Luke Skywalker, and Princess Leia was contrived.  She was not hearing it, in no small part because I was insulting her 9-year-old self, who thought it was an awesome reveal.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on August 13, 2008, 11:29:14 AM
my 9 year-old self considered it strange and confusing.  lots of new feelings.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: gravy boat on August 13, 2008, 11:44:57 AM
Sorry, but my fifteen year old self would've already recognized this as lame.

But it's okay for other people to enjoy themselves, I guess.

This reminds me of one of my more ridiculous marital arguments - I insisted to my wife that, even at 9 years old (or whenever it was), the familial relationship triangle between Darth Vader, Luke Skywalker, and Princess Leia was contrived.  She was not hearing it, in no small part because I was insulting her 9-year-old self, who thought it was an awesome reveal.

I wonder if she was lucky enough to see it on the first day.  That news swept through my elementary school like pinkeye. 

BTW - my wife -- who otherwise had a pretty normal upbringing-- has steadfastedly refused to ever watch any of the Star Wars movies because she doesn't like sci-fi.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Shaggy 2 Grote on August 13, 2008, 12:00:11 PM
Sorry, but my fifteen year old self would've already recognized this as lame.

But it's okay for other people to enjoy themselves, I guess.

This reminds me of one of my more ridiculous marital arguments - I insisted to my wife that, even at 9 years old (or whenever it was), the familial relationship triangle between Darth Vader, Luke Skywalker, and Princess Leia was contrived.  She was not hearing it, in no small part because I was insulting her 9-year-old self, who thought it was an awesome reveal.

I wonder if she was lucky enough to see it on the first day.  That news swept through my elementary school like pinkeye. 

BTW - my wife -- who otherwise had a pretty normal upbringing-- has steadfastedly refused to ever watch any of the Star Wars movies because she doesn't like sci-fi.

I had it spoiled pretty early too, by an uber-nerd uncle who was doing stuff like going to ComicCon before it was-- well, not cool exactly, but whatever it is now.  She's from rural Indiana, and back then stuff would move pretty slowly through the cultural pipeline.  Luckily for me, she loves sci-fi and fantasy and even likes comics (though not to my insane degree).  Arguably she has better taste in comics than me, in fact; every Christmas she pops into the comic shop and gets me something that catches her eye, which is how I've gotten into stuff like the Norwegian cartoonist Jason or the French cartoonist Lewis Trondheim.  She hates Westerns, James Bond, and sports to a semi-irrational degree, but I can live without most of those.  Every so often I've got to talk her into some classic Western that I feel like an ignoramus for not having seen, but otherwise: smooth sailing!
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on August 13, 2008, 12:03:49 PM
its hard to find girls (who arent socially inept) who are into sci-fi, relatively speaking.  but when you do, its awesome. 
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: <<<<< on August 13, 2008, 12:26:42 PM
(And btw, I'm bald.  What you got against us bald folks, Junior?)   : )

Nah, not in the least.  Just was making light of how long hair corresponded with being "badass" when I was fifteen is all.  There is an age difference, but it really isn't too bad.  (I'm 33.)   ;D
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Shaggy 2 Grote on August 13, 2008, 12:32:52 PM
Yeah, I should stress here that my wife is not, like, dressing up as Boba Fett and going to conventions and stuff.  She just likes the movies.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: John Junk 2.0 on August 13, 2008, 04:53:45 PM
I'm 30.  I will concede that my  6-year-old-self may have been thrilled if he went to this concert with your 15-year-old self.  At age 6 I had yet to even enter my big-fan-of-CATS-the-musical phase.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: moderate rock on August 13, 2008, 05:12:56 PM
Phil Collins fooled a lot of us as youngins..
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: dave from knoxville on August 13, 2008, 05:17:31 PM
Phil Collins fooled a lot of us as youngins..

No more than Stiv Bators or Richard Hell, really. It's only in hindsight that you can look back and have the necesary perspective to judge which musicians had lasting talent, and which just happened to be pushing all of your right buttons as you struggled with your adolesence.


I would challenge you to reassess the collected works of Anne Murray, now that you're no longer obsessed with "cool".

And Roger Whitaker.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: masterofsparks on August 13, 2008, 05:43:18 PM
Hall & Oates, too. They rule.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Spoony on August 13, 2008, 05:49:54 PM
I can't believe this Phil Collins thread has made it to 4 pages.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Gibby on August 13, 2008, 05:52:36 PM
I can't believe this Phil Collins thread has made it to 4 pages.

Yacht Rock is big news again in 2K8.5
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on August 13, 2008, 06:08:33 PM
I can't believe this Phil Collins thread has made it to 4 pages.

and dip its toe into sci-fi.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: senorcorazon on August 13, 2008, 06:20:49 PM
I can't believe this Phil Collins thread has made it to 4 pages.

and dip its toe into sci-fi.

C'mon......






















PAGE 5?















PLEASE?
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: senorcorazon on August 13, 2008, 06:28:00 PM
How 'bout this -- remember the Phil Collins song "Another Day in Paradise" that has his big statement about homelessness? I was on a bus in Italy once a guy was singing that to the American girls as a ballad. Missed the point but made the song better than ever.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: senorcorazon on August 13, 2008, 06:28:21 PM
Crap. Still not five pages?!
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Steve of Bloomington on August 13, 2008, 07:24:58 PM
I liked Phil Collins in the 80s.  Nothing wrong with that.

I went to a show on the 'Invisible Touch' tour.  Something wrong with that.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on August 13, 2008, 08:20:29 PM
Crap. Still not five pages?!

maybe...now?
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Tim K in DC on August 13, 2008, 09:07:02 PM
So I just went down to the friendly neighborhood Walgreens to purchase discounted vitamin-rich beverages and guess what song was playing on the satellite radio? Hmm?

"Paperlate" by Genesis.

Which I thought (mistakenly) was a solo Phil Collins song (it's got that whole peppy "Susudio"-ish horn thing, etc.).

Which I thought (also mistakenly) was called "Keep Her Late."

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Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: jbissell on August 13, 2008, 10:12:06 PM
Crap. Still not five pages?!

maybe...now?

NOW.

nevermind
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Allen Towne on August 13, 2008, 10:31:34 PM
Maybe the dumbest thing I ever read was in a mid-1990s Rolling Stone ellipsis-ridden column that went something like:

"Phil Collins' Tarzan soundtrack is being released in 11 different languages. Why? His voice is unmistakable…"

Think about that for a second.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: emma on August 13, 2008, 10:52:29 PM
I would challenge you to reassess the collected works of Anne Murray, now that you're no longer obsessed with "cool".

And Roger Whitaker.

DFK, have you ever read Lester Bangs' Anne Murray reviews? You should.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Regular Joe on August 14, 2008, 12:46:10 AM
I'm 30.  I will concede that my  6-year-old-self may have been thrilled if he went to this concert with your 15-year-old self.  At age 6 I had yet to even enter my big-fan-of-CATS-the-musicalLittle-Shop-Of-Horrors phase.

- RegJoe

PS: Page 5. You did it!
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Spoony on August 14, 2008, 02:14:09 AM
You animals.

I wish I had a dog. I'd name him "Rollins Band" and sick him on you adult contemporary rockers.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: dave from knoxville on August 14, 2008, 09:05:22 AM
I would challenge you to reassess the collected works of Anne Murray, now that you're no longer obsessed with "cool".

And Roger Whitaker.

DFK, have you ever read Lester Bangs' Anne Murray reviews? You should.

Maybe when they were written, especially if it was for Creem, which I read religously as a teen. I don't remember them though. Are they collected in a handy book form?
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Julie on August 15, 2008, 10:35:46 PM
You guys probably tear up when you hear Lady in Red.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: dave from knoxville on August 15, 2008, 11:06:35 PM
You guys probably tear up when you hear Lady in Red.

Tear up what?
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: AllisonLeGnome on August 15, 2008, 11:08:22 PM
I wouldn't be afraid to admit I liked uncool artists if I did, but the thing is I just don't. Often they're uncool for a reason- because they're terrible.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: dave from knoxville on August 15, 2008, 11:08:58 PM
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Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Fido on August 15, 2008, 11:32:34 PM
That brings up a good question-- uncool bands that are actually kind of good.  I have to think about it, but this has got to be worthy of a thread.  Remember, by listing a band that is uncool but kinda good, you're not saying that you like them, only that they're uncool and you kind of have to respect them musically, but you don't have to listen to them.

Prog rock bands should be disqualified from consideration, however, that their whole reason for existence is to demonstrate musical prowess and "elevate the genre." (And it's a genre I don't particularly care for)
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: JonFromMaplewood on August 16, 2008, 12:47:17 AM
I wouldn't be afraid to admit I liked uncool artists if I did, but the thing is I just don't. Often they're uncool for a reason- because they're terrible.

Wait, AllisonLeGnome.  Are you saying that every band you listen to is cool, and every band you know but do not listen to is uncool?  You've got to admit that's a wee bit...well...Ronald Thomas Clontle.

And why does a band have to be cool to be listened to?  In another thread, I mentioned that the song "Time" by Alan Parsons Project does not get turned off by me when it comes on the radio.  I can think of few less cool bands and less cool songs than that, but I totally enjoy hearing it. I totally disagree with the "not cool = terrible" equation.

Never mind. This is getting dangerously close to Stephen King's "Cool/Not Cool" article in EW.


Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: AllisonLeGnome on August 16, 2008, 01:36:24 AM
I wouldn't be afraid to admit I liked uncool artists if I did, but the thing is I just don't. Often they're uncool for a reason- because they're terrible.

Wait, AllisonLeGnome.  Are you saying that every band you listen to is cool, and every band you know but do not listen to is uncool?  You've got to admit that's a wee bit...well...Ronald Thomas Clontle.

And why does a band have to be cool to be listened to?  In another thread, I mentioned that the song "Time" by Alan Parsons Project does not get turned off by me when it comes on the radio.  I can think of few less cool bands and less cool songs than that, but I totally enjoy hearing it. I totally disagree with the "not cool = terrible" equation.

Never mind. This is getting dangerously close to Stephen King's "Cool/Not Cool" article in EW.

Of course not- that's not what I said at all. But I actually don't listen to... maybe this is too regional a reference, but Stop & Shop music. Or Adult Contemporary radio. Celine Dion, Phil Collins, that sort of stuff. As I said, I would have no problem admitting to it if I did. Trust me, I've long ago resigned myself to uncoolness. I don't mean "not cool = terrible" at all- precisely the opposite. Terrible artists are often uncool because they're terrible, not the other way around.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: emma on August 16, 2008, 02:14:03 PM
I would challenge you to reassess the collected works of Anne Murray, now that you're no longer obsessed with "cool".

And Roger Whitaker.

DFK, have you ever read Lester Bangs' Anne Murray reviews? You should.

Maybe when they were written, especially if it was for Creem, which I read religously as a teen. I don't remember them though. Are they collected in a handy book form?

I do believe the best one's in here. (http://www.amazon.com/Mainlines-Blood-Feasts-Bad-Taste/dp/1852428236/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1218910346&sr=8-2)
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Julie on August 16, 2008, 04:20:49 PM
You guys probably tear up when you hear Lady in Red.

Tear up what?

No, dave from knoxville who teaches math, I didn't say tear up, I said tear up!
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: dave from knoxville on August 16, 2008, 05:14:13 PM
You guys probably tear up when you hear Lady in Red.

Tear up what?

No, dave from knoxville who teaches math, I didn't say tear up, I said tear up!

Teaching math just pays the bills. I'm a (Phil Collins apologist) musicologist!
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Julie on August 16, 2008, 06:10:45 PM
You guys probably tear up when you hear Lady in Red.

Tear up what?

No, dave from knoxville who teaches math, I didn't say tear up, I said tear up!

Teaching math just pays the bills. I'm a (Phil Collins apologist) musicologist!

I'm glad you cleared that up, because for a minute you sounded well rounded.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: buffcoat on August 16, 2008, 06:28:01 PM

You've got to admit that's a wee bit...well...Ronald Thomas Clontle.



Butt-head: I like stuff that's cool.  I don't like stuff that sucks.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Shaggy 2 Grote on August 16, 2008, 06:37:49 PM
You guys probably tear up when you hear Lady in Red.

You're right, I totally tear shit up every time I hear Lady in Red:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3084/2768517135_5aeefb250a.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Julie on August 16, 2008, 08:44:49 PM
 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPhVgczrxLg

Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on August 16, 2008, 10:17:09 PM
before i even hit play...i said, "am i going to regret this?"
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Julie on August 17, 2008, 08:51:29 AM
before i even hit play...i said, "am i going to regret this?"

i could have told you.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: JonFromMaplewood on August 17, 2008, 08:36:44 PM

You've got to admit that's a wee bit...well...Ronald Thomas Clontle.



Butt-head: I like stuff that's cool.  I don't like stuff that sucks.

Did I get called a butt-head? 

Now to push this one page further, I heard "In Too Deep" by Genesis today.  That is terrible, uncool, not cool, and terrible.

Sorry to question your post earlier, AllisonLeGnome. Just a healthy debate, like rabbis around the Talmud.  :)
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Emily on August 17, 2008, 08:38:55 PM
You guys probably tear up when you hear Lady in Red.

You're right, I totally tear shit up every time I hear Lady in Red:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3084/2768517135_5aeefb250a.jpg?v=0)

What the fuck is this a picture of and can I go to it?
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: <<<<< on August 17, 2008, 09:00:23 PM

It is cool to like uncool things, but only cool uncool things, not uncool uncool things, ie. preferrably uncool things that reflect favorably upon established cool things.

It's really, really easy, or so I hear, since I'm totally uncool and any claims to the contrary I will deny wholly.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Shaggy 2 Grote on August 18, 2008, 11:11:21 AM
You guys probably tear up when you hear Lady in Red.

You're right, I totally tear shit up every time I hear Lady in Red:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3084/2768517135_5aeefb250a.jpg?v=0)

What the fuck is this a picture of and can I go to it?

It's the intern dance party at The O'Neill!  And unfortunately it's long past, but if you want to make it up to Connecticut, I think the Cabaret Conference is still happening, if you like your entertainment on the really, really gay side (not that there's anything wrong with that).
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on August 18, 2008, 12:06:48 PM

It is cool to like uncool things, but only cool uncool things, not uncool uncool things, ie. preferrably uncool things that reflect favorably upon established cool things.

It's really, really easy, or so I hear, since I'm totally uncool and any claims to the contrary I will deny wholly.


trust me...

(I'm 33.) 

...you'll get no claims from me.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Julie on August 18, 2008, 07:10:59 PM

It is cool to like uncool things, but only cool uncool things, not uncool uncool things, ie. preferrably uncool things that reflect favorably upon established cool things.

It's really, really easy, or so I hear, since I'm totally uncool and any claims to the contrary I will deny wholly.


trust me...

(I'm 33.) 

...you'll get no claims from me


I like you. You are funny. Like a funny show on tv.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: dave from knoxville on August 20, 2008, 08:49:55 AM
I am finally getting around to organizing my music collection for the first time since AFK was born. Just for Julie, here's one little chunk of it

Cockburn, Bruce   Waiting For a Miracle
Cockburn, Bruce   You Pay Your Money and You Take Your Chance
Cockburn, Bruce   You've Never Seen Everything
Cocteau Twins   Blue Bell Knoll
Coldplay   X and Y
Cole, Lloyd   Negatives, The
Collins, Edwyn   I'm Not Following You
Collins, Phil   12"ers
Collins, Phil   Both Sides
Collins, Phil   But Seriously
Collins, Phil   Face Value
Collins, Phil   Hello I Must Be Going
Collins, Phil   No Jacket Required
Collins, Phil   Serious Hits Live
Colvin, Shawn   Fat City
Colvin, Shawn   Few Small Repairs, A
Comets on Fire   Avatar
Confront James   Ill Gotten Hatred
Conti, Bill   Rocky Original Motion Picture Score
Cooder, Ry   Jazz
Cooder, Ry   Johnny Handsome

Of course, the RIAA will be pounding on my door with an injunction of some sort 10 minutes after I hit "send". Did you hear they shut down muxtape?
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: JonFromMaplewood on August 20, 2008, 10:23:15 AM
You have "But Seriously Folks?!"  You are hardcore, Dave.  I had jumped from the Phil Collins ship a few years earlier.

Phil Collins should personally write and thank every fan who stuck with him from his art rock days up through his Disney days, because there are likely very few of them.  I am pretty sure if you looked at the makeup of his fans across his career, it slowly morphed from rope-smoking long-hairs to Republican soccer moms with the biggest shift occuring around "But Seriously Folks."  But Dave, you stuck with him all the way through! Kudos!
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: dave from knoxville on August 20, 2008, 10:46:20 AM
My wife is a Republican soccer mom. She loves Phil Collins. We also have 45 Elton John cds/vinyls.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: senorcorazon on August 20, 2008, 12:40:17 PM
My wife is a Republican soccer mom. She loves Phil Collins. We also have 45 Elton John cds/vinyls.

This makes me think of John Mulaney's bit about riding around with his mom and having her listen to terrible music, with her saying proudly "This is MOM'S music, this is only for Mom! Yay!"
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Pat K on August 20, 2008, 02:13:39 PM
I remember a long time ago they posted a clip on Beware of the Blog of Genesis playing on an old TV show, and at the end of the song Phil Collins does a bunch of crazy stage moves and leans over and you can see he’s wearing a thong. It was pretty funny. Did anybody else ever see that?




I keep hoping Raad_Man will chime in on this thread.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: JonFromMaplewood on August 20, 2008, 04:30:51 PM
I tried looking up "phil collins thong" in Google Images and got a lot of horrible, horrible things...none of them addressing Pat K's post.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on August 20, 2008, 04:33:23 PM
im curious.  but im at work.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Stan on August 20, 2008, 05:08:32 PM
I remember a long time ago they posted a clip on Beware of the Blog of Genesis playing on an old TV show, and at the end of the song Phil Collins does a bunch of crazy stage moves and leans over and you can see he’s wearing a thong. It was pretty funny. Did anybody else ever see that?




I keep hoping Raad_Man will chime in on this thread.

 You're probably thinking of this:

http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/SW/his_bum.mpg (http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/SW/his_bum.mpg)

 It's actually Peter Gabriel.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Julie on August 20, 2008, 06:34:22 PM
DFK, can you explain the importance of cataloguing your music? I am not trying to argue, I just don't understand it at all. I think my husband gets really irritated that I'm such a slob about it. He photographs his LP covers and sometimes spends a whole day organizing his records. I am tempted to reorganize them sometimes, but that would really be cruel. It would be as bad for him as if a stranger kicked my dog.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on August 20, 2008, 08:39:24 PM
currently, i dont have proper shelves to put my records, so they lay unalphabetical, if anything.  but once upon a time, i did have them set in (various) order.  it helps when i want to look for something.  there is a less likely chance that i'll skip/miss it.

note: Julie, i know im not Dave- i apologize to you both for stepping on his toes.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Pat K on August 20, 2008, 08:42:00 PM
I remember a long time ago they posted a clip on Beware of the Blog of Genesis playing on an old TV show, and at the end of the song Phil Collins does a bunch of crazy stage moves and leans over and you can see he’s wearing a thong. It was pretty funny. Did anybody else ever see that?




I keep hoping Raad_Man will chime in on this thread.

 You're probably thinking of this:

http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/SW/his_bum.mpg (http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/SW/his_bum.mpg)

 It's actually Peter Gabriel.

Ah, that's it! As you can see, I know a ton about Phil Collins.

Still, I got someone to google "phil collins thong". I'm prouder of that than I should be.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: mokin on August 20, 2008, 10:41:21 PM
DFK, can you explain the importance of cataloguing your music? I am not trying to argue, I just don't understand it at all. I think my husband gets really irritated that I'm such a slob about it. He photographs his LP covers and sometimes spends a whole day organizing his records. I am tempted to reorganize them sometimes, but that would really be cruel. It would be as bad for him as if a stranger kicked my dog.

Now I'm imagining Julie's husband as Todd Louiso (Dick) from High Fidelity.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: masterofsparks on August 20, 2008, 11:15:19 PM
currently, i dont have proper shelves to put my records, so they lay unalphabetical, if anything.  but once upon a time, i did have them set in (various) order.  it helps when i want to look for something.  there is a less likely chance that i'll skip/miss it.

note: Julie, i know im not Dave- i apologize to you both for stepping on his toes.

Yeah, not having things in order makes it horrible pain in the ass to find what I want. My wife just built some new record shelves and now I can find everything right away. Check it out:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/kokoblue/shelves.jpg)

She also framed my Best Show poster. Did I mention she's great?

(Oh, and I second Baron's apology for stepping on toes)
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: dave from knoxville on August 20, 2008, 11:23:12 PM
DFK, can you explain the importance of cataloguing your music? I am not trying to argue, I just don't understand it at all. I think my husband gets really irritated that I'm such a slob about it. He photographs his LP covers and sometimes spends a whole day organizing his records. I am tempted to reorganize them sometimes, but that would really be cruel. It would be as bad for him as if a stranger kicked my dog.

I did it/am doing it to satisfy homeowner's insurance requests. But I am also fond of being able to find stuff, and I am ADHD/OCD.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: AllisonLeGnome on August 21, 2008, 02:26:47 AM
I have all my records documented (not super in-depth- I gave up on pressing numbers, etc. pretty quickly) but my CDs and DVDs are just (mostly) alphabetized for my own convenience.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Shaggy 2 Grote on August 21, 2008, 03:16:53 AM
I tried looking up "phil collins thong" in Google Images and got a lot of horrible, horrible things...none of them addressing Pat K's post.

what do you mean?

(http://blogs.kansascity.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/03/27/thong.jpg)
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: dave from knoxville on August 21, 2008, 09:10:48 AM
Now it can be told! Why I was fixated on Anne Murray (and Roger Whitaker) for a few weeks. Amateur musicologist report starts here

http://gaughin.edublogs.org/2008/08/21/the-virgin-encyclopedia-of-seventies-music/ (http://gaughin.edublogs.org/2008/08/21/the-virgin-encyclopedia-of-seventies-music/)

Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: gravy boat on August 21, 2008, 09:19:44 AM


Phil Collins is semi-featured on this week's "This American Life" podcast -- The Break Up.  He graciously talks to a girl who is trying to get over being dumped, and comments on the song she has written about it.  The girl seeks him out because she and her -ex used to sing Phil Collins' songs together.  Phil talks about how his wife leaving him led him out of his jazz-rock thing to writing "Against All Odds," for his first solo album.

 
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Pat K on August 21, 2008, 09:23:34 AM
I tried looking up "phil collins thong" in Google Images and got a lot of horrible, horrible things...none of them addressing Pat K's post.

what do you mean?

(http://blogs.kansascity.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/03/27/thong.jpg)

Wait, so is that this Bill Collins guy everybody has been talking about?
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: yesno on August 21, 2008, 09:30:27 AM

Yeah, not having things in order makes it horrible pain in the ass to find what I want. My wife just built some new record shelves and now I can find everything right away. Check it out:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/kokoblue/shelves.jpg)


Hey, MOS, could you tell me your street address?  Also, when are both you and your wife away from work?

Is there a U-Haul rental place in your town?

Seriously, I'm on board the digital train to futureville, but man I wish I had a cool-looking vinyl room.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Bryan on August 21, 2008, 09:39:39 AM
Now it can be told! Why I was fixated on Anne Murray (and Roger Whitaker) for a few weeks. Amateur musicologist report starts here

http://gaughin.edublogs.org/2008/08/21/the-virgin-encyclopedia-of-seventies-music/ (http://gaughin.edublogs.org/2008/08/21/the-virgin-encyclopedia-of-seventies-music/)



Wow, Dave! I'm amazed.  You weren't kidding about being OCD.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: masterofsparks on August 21, 2008, 10:55:39 AM

Yeah, not having things in order makes it horrible pain in the ass to find what I want. My wife just built some new record shelves and now I can find everything right away. Check it out:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/kokoblue/shelves.jpg)


Hey, MOS, could you tell me your street address?  Also, when are both you and your wife away from work?

Is there a U-Haul rental place in your town?

Seriously, I'm on board the digital train to futureville, but man I wish I had a cool-looking vinyl room.

You'd probably be less enthusiastic about hauling those away when you got a look at some of the titles, but I agree that it does look cool.
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: Julie on August 22, 2008, 03:25:01 PM
currently, i dont have proper shelves to put my records, so they lay unalphabetical, if anything.  but once upon a time, i did have them set in (various) order.  it helps when i want to look for something.  there is a less likely chance that i'll skip/miss it.

note: Julie, i know im not Dave- i apologize to you both for stepping on his toes.

No, I appreciate your help. So it's for finding things? Do you think you would forget you had things, too?
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on August 22, 2008, 04:18:03 PM
i dont forget i have albums really; there are times when i dont know what i'm in the mood for so i browse, and that's when i forget i have an album that would be perfect for my mood (which is usually settled because i saw something else first).  the order of my collection switches with what i feel like doing at the time; not all of my organization attempts have been successful.

im usually the laziest about putting the new, recently acquired albums i buy into the shelves.  they normally lay about the house like coasters, staying wherever i left them when i was reading the liner notes/lyrics. 
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: dave from knoxville on August 26, 2008, 09:55:40 AM
Now it can be told! Why I was fixated on Anne Murray (and Roger Whitaker) for a few weeks. Amateur musicologist report starts here

http://gaughin.edublogs.org/2008/08/21/the-virgin-encyclopedia-of-seventies-music/ (http://gaughin.edublogs.org/2008/08/21/the-virgin-encyclopedia-of-seventies-music/)



Wow, Dave! I'm amazed.  You weren't kidding about being OCD.

Thanks!

There's a follow-up; I got a comment puzzled about the fact that Jack Bruce as a solo artist is ranked above Led Zeppelin. It reads a little funny, because a table melted down on me and I haven't had time to fix it yet, but here's the result of a special investigation

http://gaughin.edublogs.org/2008/08/25/jack-bruce-vs-led-zeppelin/ (http://gaughin.edublogs.org/2008/08/25/jack-bruce-vs-led-zeppelin/)

Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: colonel panic on August 26, 2008, 11:53:43 AM
dfk: i just checked out (and subscribed to) your awesome blog:  :o
Title: Re: On Phil Collins...
Post by: dave from knoxville on August 26, 2008, 01:45:03 PM
dfk: i just checked out (and subscribed to) your awesome blog:  :o

Thank you, todbot, I don't post frequently, but it's quality over quantity, right?