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FOT Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: Trembling Eagle on September 02, 2008, 10:18:21 AM
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I'm not kidding this time, if I wake up to find America has elected another Republican I'm getting in my car and driving to Canada and starting from scratch.
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again?
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again?
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/miers_from_supreme_court_nominee_to_pakistan_lobbyist.php
Vancouver here I come.
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I'm moving to Canada if AP Mike becomes Mayor. I'm not fucking kidding.
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I probably know 25 people, online and real life, who swore to move elsewhere if Bush won in 2004. None of them has even moved from their town, much less out of the country.
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I don't care if we elect a Lars and the Real Girl ticket. I'm going down with the ship.
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My boyfriends parents actually tried to move to canada after the last election, but it ended up being too expensive at the time.
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My parents fled the country once. It didn't take. Much to my regret.
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I for one really agree with Lars and The Real Girls position on defense.
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My wife's parents fled the U.S. to settle in Canada. It was easier to do in the Vietnam days.
Canada has just deported a U.S. soldier who had applied for amnesty! Our government is pretty nasty these days - you might not find it any more agreeable here.
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I dunno. I'm imagining Chinese and Cuban and African immigrants who endured major misery just to come here laughing their heads off at the thought of middle-class Americans jumping ship. Especially leaving at the 'threat' of a relatively cross-partisan candidate like McCain.
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I probably know 25 people, online and real life, who swore to move elsewhere if Bush won in 2004. None of them has even moved from their town, much less out of the country.
A guy I know moved to Costa Rica after the 2004 election. But he eventually ran out of money and came back. He said "I maybe could have pulled it off if I had been able to cut out alcohol and cigarettes." Ah well. Opiates of the masses ...
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I probably know 25 people, online and real life, who swore to move elsewhere if Bush won in 2004. None of them has even moved from their town, much less out of the country.
Patton basically used this argument (all talk, no action) in his prosecution of blue states during his epic showdown with PFT on last week's Root of All Evil.
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4c/NewJersey-2004-by_county.PNG)
Red and blue counties in NJ in 2004.
I'm a proud son of the red counties.
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I probably know 25 people, online and real life, who swore to move elsewhere if Bush won in 2004. None of them has even moved from their town, much less out of the country.
I don't care if we elect a Lars and the Real Girl ticket. I'm going down with the ship.
Yeah, I don't really like McCain/Palin, but I think if I dig really deep inside myself I'll somehow be able to find the strength to swallow my pride and stand to remain in America. I don't really think shit is going to go all "V For Vendetta" just yet.
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I'm moving to Canada if AP Mike becomes Mayor. I'm not fucking kidding.
Don't forget your shinebox, gravy boat. And don't let the door hit you on the way out!
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I have a friend who is a Republican (more of an old school Republican) who was going to vote for McCain. Now that he's chosen Palin, my friend says he's just not going to vote for anyone, because the idea of this woman running the country terrifies him.
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Maybe this will encourage you to stay in the U.S.A. if McCain/Palin wins?
(http://www.kunstler.com/Grunt_SarahPalin.jpg)
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I can't speak for the rest of Sweden, but I can house a couple of you.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Palin is the devil.
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I just threw up a little red meat into my mouth.
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Palin is the devil.
Please, don't you think the devil would use a more inconspicuous disguise? You know, like Obama?
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Maybe this will encourage you to stay in the U.S.A. if McCain/Palin wins?
(http://www.kunstler.com/Grunt_SarahPalin.jpg)
SARA PALIN FOR VEEP, 2008: "If you keep looking at me like that, I will shoot you!"
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FWIW, here is the original, dunno which is worse -
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5499/originalww9.jpg)
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You guys have it all wrong. Since she's (apparently) an (ex?)-Alaskan secessionist, she's the one who leaves and we're the ones who stay. :D
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c12DfJ_J2A[/youtube]
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man, screw that I'm for real outta here
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Irrespective of party or politics, I love James Carville.
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I'm not kidding this time, if I wake up to find America has elected another Republican I'm getting in my car and driving to Canada and starting from scratch.
You really would have to start from scratch, too. Housing's crazy right now - you'll have to build your own igloo somewhere on the outskirts of somewhere else. How good are you at cutting blocks of snow?
Seriously, though, if you're going to come up here you'd better do it quickly, before there isn't shit left to do or see anymore. (http://www.cbc.ca/arts/story/2008/08/15/govt-arts-cuts.html)
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I was hoping so much that wasn't a photoshop.
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Remember Harry Truman? Well, neither do I, but I've read all about him. McCain's choice of Palin brings him to mind. Franklin Delano Roosevelt chose him as a running mate in 1944 allegedly without a great deal of thought -- actually, it was part of a Democratic party compromise -- and proceeded to basically ignore his Vice President for the rest of his term (and his life), just as he had largely ignored Truman throughout Truman's Senate career. FDR passed away in 1945, and Truman assumed the Presidency, remarking at the time that when FDR died, "I felt like a bale of hay fell on me." He went on to conduct his administration in a manner that did not always win popularity with Americans, but that many historians regard as quite successful. Unfortunately, he is remembered by many Americans as the man who dropped the H-bomb on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
Well, McCain is nothing like FDR. Could Sarah Palin be the next Truman? Maybe, but probably not. Truman had been a big city pol, as a county judge in Kansas City, and U.S. Senator representing Missouri with recognition far outside Missouri. Palin has been the mayor of Wasilla, Alaska and governor of Alaska for a year and a half. What's interesting is the reputation she has gained for combatting the remarkably extensive corruption in the Alaska Republican Party and its elected leaders in the state, truly a maverick stance, right? Is this what McCain saw in Palin?
Apparently so, or at least it's an after-the-fact rationalization of his pick. No one can miss the fact that she is a woman. The choice seems like pandering to women, with Republicans hoping to capitalize on dissatisfaction among Democrats and independents who favored Hillary. Her credentials as an NRA member, pro-life opinion, and Christian conservative background seem to have offered the opportunity for McCain to shore up his weak support among that segment of the party and bring some excitement to a party that can't seem to muster a lot of enthusiasm for its candidate.
Her nomination says a great deal about McCain. What seems astonishing is his consideration of a person whose resume is so thin. McCain is reputed to have a low opinion of the importance of the Vice Presidency. Many talented leaders of organizations have an unfortunate tendency to overestimate their own abilities, and McCain's decision appears to show that deficiency. For anyone at the age of 72, the state of his health is a very realistic concern. Responsible corporations have succession plans for their leader that factor in a succession plan should the Chairman/CEO be unable to continute to lead. Has that been considered here, or have those considerations taken a back seat to the votes that McCain's team believe Palin could bring? Palin has no foreign policy experience or time in Washington, making it doubtful that she would be capable of effectively assuming the reigns of leadership if the worst were to happen to McCain, as it did to FDR in 1945. Doubt about this decision might just focus on McCain's judgement rather than arguments that it represents "pandering to women or the Christian right," both claims that could easily backfire with a lot of voters. At the same time, these are considerations that most voters are unlikely to miss. Instead, the argument could be made that this choice is a huge gamble and a risky decision, and similar to the reckless arrogance of the decision making of the Bush-Cheney administration.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c12DfJ_J2A[/youtube]
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man, screw that I'm for real outta here
Tom should be invited to comment on current events, since he has his own radio talk show & all.
Am I right people?
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c12DfJ_J2A[/youtube]
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man, screw that I'm for real outta here
Tom should be invited to comment on current events, since he has his own radio talk show & all.
Am I right people?
lol
is there a show tonight?
I know he's a staunch supporter of Republican politics, maybe he can tell us all the ways this is a great pick.
/facetiousness
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Intrade market sees 14.6 pct chance Palin withdrawn (http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN0240046620080903)
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This reminds me a lot of McGovern picking Eagleton as VP. Within 2 days, he drops him because it comes out that Eagleton underwent shock therapy when he was younger.
I feel like Palin is already a bad person because she knew her 17-year old daughter was pregnant and still went ahead with her ambitious political career. Now the girl is basically a huge laughing stock/talking point and it's really unfair.
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This reminds me a lot of McGovern picking Eagleton as VP. Within 2 days, he drops him because it comes out that Eagleton underwent shock therapy when he was younger.
Good sequence about this in 'Gonzo (http://areyougenehackman.blogspot.com/2008/08/dont-judge-taco-by-its-price.html)', the Hunter S. Thompson doc from the guy that made 'Enron: Smartest Guy in the Room'.
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This reminds me a lot of McGovern picking Eagleton as VP. Within 2 days, he drops him because it comes out that Eagleton underwent shock therapy when he was younger.
I feel like Palin is already a bad person because she knew her 17-year old daughter was pregnant and still went ahead with her ambitious political career. Now the girl is basically a huge laughing stock/talking point and it's really unfair.
C'mon this is the internet
we can tell it like it 'tis
No fucking way Palin or McCain knew about this until VERY recently. This is grade-A damage control /cover up. McCain claims he knew about this a week ago, Palin people's said they found out over the weekend. McCain said he did a vetting, reporters that have shown up in Alaska to look over records are told they were the first ones there. On and on, the FBI background check they claimed that never happened. It's clear this whole mess was an impulsive pandering move from McCain. Palin probably didn't even know enough to say: no, thank you. Politics being what it is in America they STILL have at least a 50/50 shot of winning this thing, the American South and lower Midwest aint voting for a Democrat no matter what.
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It'll be interesting to see if any changes take place if Obama wins the popular vote by a significant margin and still loses the election. I think that has a good chance of happening.
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we can only hope.
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I'm not kidding this time, if I wake up to find America has elected another Republican I'm getting in my car and driving to Canada and starting from scratch.
OK, you've convinced me... I'm definitely voting for McCain now.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c12DfJ_J2A[/youtube]
I like when the second lady starts her comment with "Now, I'm a comedian..."
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Here's another CNN video, with Campbell Brown going for the jugular. I'm not used to seeing her behaving like an actual journalist. McCain's spokesman squirms like crazy here:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jRhN5Et9QQ[/youtube]
There is something essentially Newbridgian about this whole situation - the way more and more ridiculous details keep emerging. I like it.
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And as a consequence of that, McCain has now cancelled his appearance on Larry King Live.
"How dare you ask legitimate questions about our candidate!"
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And as a consequence of that, McCain has now cancelled his appearance on Larry King Live.
"How dare you ask legitimate questions about our candidate!"
When you can't withstand a grilling by Larry King you're in real trouble.
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I'm not kidding this time, if I wake up to find America has elected another Republican I'm getting in my car and driving to Canada and starting from scratch.
OK, you've convinced me... I'm definitely voting for McCain now.
OUCH! I hereby nominate ChrisF for President...of SLAM-OLOGY! Boo-yah!
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jRhN5Et9QQ[/youtube]
Wow, that's nuts. McCain's people have lost their minds.
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And as a consequence of that, McCain has now cancelled his appearance on Larry King Live.
"How dare you ask legitimate questions about our candidate!"
When you can't withstand a grilling by Larry King you're in real trouble.
Another reason why Paris Hilton would make a better Prez.
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I'm not kidding this time, if I wake up to find America has elected another Republican I'm getting in my car and driving to Canada and starting from scratch.
OK, you've convinced me... I'm definitely voting for McCain now.
OUCH! I hereby nominate ChrisF for President...of SLAM-OLOGY! Boo-yah!
I figured Obama/Biden pretty much have Massachusetts sewn up, so I'm going to cast a protest vote against Ultimate Fighting and Wyclef Jean.
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I figured Obama/Biden pretty much have Massachusetts sewn up, so I'm going to cast a protest vote against Ultimate Fighting and Wyclef Jean.
It's MIXED MARTIAL ARTS.
Why must the media be so condescending?!
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Thank you. What did you guys think of my Ask Jeeves zinger?
Working on that one all week....
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This is almost crazy enough to be planned. I'm half-expecting a bait-n'-switch--McCain gathers the commitment of conservative middle America with Palin, and then kicks her off the ticket and appoints someone else just before the polls open. Stranger shit has happened.
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Thank you. What did you guys think of my Ask Jeeves zinger?
Working on that one all week....
(http://erechoveraker.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/sosad.jpg)
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oops, hot mic
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrG8w4bb3kg[/youtube]
when Peggy Noonan calls bullshit you know that it is.
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Palin:
"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."
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Oh, puke.
Wolf Blitzer on CNN just gushed, "And Jack Cafferty, Sarah Palin just might be the most intriguing woman in America!"
For christ's sake, Wolf, stick to reporting the news, you shithead.
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oops, hot mic
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrG8w4bb3kg[/youtube]
when Peggy Noonan calls bullshit you know that it is.
Oh my.
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Whoops-a-daisy!
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who is more intriguing?
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I'm strangely intrigued by Jack Cafferty, actually.
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oops, hot mic
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrG8w4bb3kg[/youtube]
when Peggy Noonan calls bullshit you know that it is.
Oh my.
Wow.
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I'm strangely intrigued by Jack Cafferty, actually.
He has this air of "playing out the string". It is like he almost doesn't want to be there.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1vPYbRB7k[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k84m2orSOaM[/youtube]
I'm telling you...in the car and I'm taking the hell off. (in jebus name)
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The most intriguing woman in America plans to zing Obama in her speech tonight:
Contrasting her resume with that of the Democratic presidential nominee, she says: "I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a 'community organizer,' except that you have actual responsibilities."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/03/palin.speech/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/03/palin.speech/index.html)
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The most intriguing woman in America plans to zing Obama in her speech tonight:
Contrasting her resume with that of the Democratic presidential nominee, she says: "I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a 'community organizer,' except that you have actual responsibilities."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/03/palin.speech/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/03/palin.speech/index.html)
My Fiance (who was a community organizer) is going to go through the fricking roof.
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I've been trying really hard to not hate her, but that quote makes it all but impossible.
I can't wait to see Joe Biden tear her a new one.
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I'm strangely intrigued by Jack Cafferty, actually.
I dunno, I think he lacks the je ne sais quois of Ernie Anastos.
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Let the poorly executed YouTube parodies begin!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2gxrQrMGv0[/youtube]
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ugh. she's worse than Sarah Palin.
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I'm strangely intrigued by Jack Cafferty, actually.
I dunno, I think he lacks the je ne sais quois of Ernie Anastos.
And Keith Hernandez as well.
http://www.friendsoftom.com/forum/index.php/topic,1211.105.html (http://www.friendsoftom.com/forum/index.php/topic,1211.105.html)
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As a life-long democrat, I have to say that this woman is the biggest threat to come along in a while. The New York Times is doing everyone a disservice by pointing out what they deem to be skeletons in her closet. It is a waste of time. No single skeleton they have uncovered is enough to bring this person down. These skeletons will all be overlooked in the long run, much like Cheney's. The Right will rally around her, seeing her as "running the gauntlet of the liberal media" and surviving.
The most we can hope for is that she slips up somewhere on the campaign trail or during the debate with Biden. OR maybe her popularity and strength makes McCain look weak.
Her speech tonight left me very, very concerned. The Right may have their next Reagan.
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As a life-long democrat, I have to say that this woman is the biggest threat to come along in a while. The New York Times is doing everyone a disservice by pointing out what they deem to be skeletons in her closet. It is a waste of time. No single skeleton they have uncovered is enough to bring this person down. These skeletons will all be overlooked in the long run, much like Cheney's. The Right will rally around her, seeing her as "running the gauntlet of the liberal media" and surviving.
The most we can hope for is that she slips up somewhere on the campaign trail or during the debate with Biden. OR maybe her popularity and strength makes McCain look weak.
Her speech tonight left me very, very concerned. The Right may have their next Reagan.
Bend over Abigail Mae, here comes the Palin pipe! Don't even THINK of factchecking her!
Bravo to Harry Reid for already putting out a boneheaded response though.
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As many of you may already know, I've pretty much given up on American Democracy. Having said that: I hate this lady, but it's really a bummer to listen to liberal friends try and drum up alarm about her alleged attempts to pressure someone to fire her sister's ex-boyfriend or whatever. Seriously? How about the part where she's a proselytizing religious kook who conflates politics and religious destiny? Oh that's right, one of those is president already. That's right, never mind. Yeah, make a zinger about abstinence programs!
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I'm strangely intrigued by Jack Cafferty, actually.
I dunno, I think he lacks the je ne sais quois of Ernie Anastos.
Yes, he *does* lack the je ne sais quoi of ernie anastos.
Since everyone seems to be talking about how offended they are about something someone has said or done in this race, while lobbing grenade's in the other party's direction, I'll agree with tomkaters that the disparaging remarks about community organizers were not too cool. Not too cool at all. In my world, that's one of the most honorable and often thankless jobs that anyone can do. I hope to hear some acknowledgement of this.
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Finally! Somebody sticks it to the community organizers. They've gotten a free ride for too long. \
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How about the part where she's a proselytizing religious kook who conflates politics and religious destiny? Oh that's right, one of those is president already.
They aren't religious kooks. The only God they know is the one that gets them elected but in reality they have no personal relationship with any God. They run on the Republican ticket and use their favorite catchphrase "pro-life" to win, but, we all know that Roe v. Wade will never be overturned because then normal people wouldn't have a reason to vote Republican anymore. We had a conservative house/senate/presidency/supreme court 6 years ago. Amazing that Roe v. Wade wasn't overturned.... not really. I know a lot of people who I thought were educated, smart people and they still vote on abortion alone.
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This is almost crazy enough to be planned. I'm half-expecting a bait-n'-switch--McCain gathers the commitment of conservative middle America with Palin, and then kicks her off the ticket and appoints someone else just before the polls open. Stranger shit has happened.
Not as easy as it sounds. Once she's confirmed as VP nom at the convention, McCain can't change the ticket without the approval of the Republican National Convention. The 168 members of the RNC would vote to find a replacement.
See this article for more info:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200809u/palin-eagleton
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Roe v. Wade will never be overturned because then normal people wouldn't have a reason to vote Republican anymore.
True. The GOP relies upon its enemies to define itself, which is why it's such a negative party. George I's presidency basically evaporated once Communism fell. The "Liberal media" became the new Communism after that, a project they worked on the entirety of the 90s.
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How about the part where she's a proselytizing religious kook who conflates politics and religious destiny? Oh that's right, one of those is president already.
They aren't religious kooks. The only God they know is the one that gets them elected but in reality they have no personal relationship with any God.
If you go by rhetoric alone, Obama is a pretty intense religious "kook."
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How about the part where she's a proselytizing religious kook who conflates politics and religious destiny? Oh that's right, one of those is president already.
They aren't religious kooks. The only God they know is the one that gets them elected but in reality they have no personal relationship with any God.
If you go by rhetoric alone, Obama is a pretty intense religious "kook."
Exactly, he lays on the religious rhetoric as thick as anyone.
I'm going to be just a cynical as Giily and hazard the guess that joining a Chicago neighborhood church was just another networking opportunity for the previously faithless Obama. and once his faith became a liability, he threw his Pastor under the bus.
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I'm going to be just a cynical as Giily and hazard the guess that joining a Chicago neighborhood church was just another networking opportunity for the previously faithless Obama. and once his faith became a liability, he threw his Pastor under the bus.
My cynical view are that they're all willing to do what it takes to get elected, and that they see religion as a convenient tool to keep people in check. I think the last time Congress passed anything unanimously was when it voted to keep "under God" in the pledge of allegiance.
My charitable view is that I think that a lot of politicians "believe in belief." I.e. they don't actually believe in the underlying doctrines, but they think it's a good idea if everyone pretends to.
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As a life-long democrat, I have to say that this woman is the biggest threat to come along in a while. The New York Times is doing everyone a disservice by pointing out what they deem to be skeletons in her closet. It is a waste of time. No single skeleton they have uncovered is enough to bring this person down. These skeletons will all be overlooked in the long run, much like Cheney's. The Right will rally around her, seeing her as "running the gauntlet of the liberal media" and surviving.
The most we can hope for is that she slips up somewhere on the campaign trail or during the debate with Biden. OR maybe her popularity and strength makes McCain look weak.
Her speech tonight left me very, very concerned. The Right may have their next Reagan.
I felt that way watching her speech. But it contained lots of lies (her stance on the Bridge to Nowhere, that the only relevant experience is executive experience) and it didn't say anything new about her.
As far as uncovering the skeletons in her closet and all that, while I agree that I am tired of legitimate questions about a person being spun in the media as surviving the gauntlet, there is a lot to work with as long its not done by Obama or the Obama people. If Obama and Biden stay on message that McCain = Bush and attacks are made by not-Obama to portray Palin as an irresponsible choice (who uses her retarded baby as a prop), then I think the Dems will win.
Whats scary to me, though, is that I wouldn't compare her to Reagan so much as she is exactly what Bush made his image into.
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My mother, who keeps the TV tuned to Fox News 24 hours a day, and has never met a conspiracy theory she didn't like, thinks that the GOP is sandbagging this election because they know, to paraphrase, "the economy is going to be shitting blood for the next 4 years." Then, bum-bum-bum, they'll come back in a few years on their white horses. She thinks the selection of Palin was like starting your fourth-string quaterback if the loss will help you get a better draft pick (yes, she used that analogy!).
Thought I'd share.
Godspeed, all.
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For some reason I can't get enough of written commentary about this election recently.
http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/sarah_palin.php (http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/sarah_palin.php). In that op-ed James Fallows makes some good points, namely that all of those speeches, Palin's especially was aimed at the Republican base and not at the independent white female voters who everyone tells me are the key.
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Whats scary to me, though, is that I wouldn't compare her to Reagan so much as she is exactly what Bush made his image into.
I agree, her appeal seems exactly like Bush's appeal.
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My mother, who keeps the TV tuned to Fox News 24 hours a day, and has never met a conspiracy theory she didn't like, thinks that the GOP is sandbagging this election because they know, to paraphrase, "the economy is going to be shitting blood for the next 4 years." Then, bum-bum-bum, they'll come back in a few years on their white horses. She thinks the selection of Palin was like starting your fourth-string quaterback if the loss will help you get a better draft pick (yes, she used that analogy!).
Thought I'd share.
Godspeed, all.
Is your mom Raad_Man? I want to party with her.
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My mother, who keeps the TV tuned to Fox News 24 hours a day, and has never met a conspiracy theory she didn't like, thinks that the GOP is sandbagging this election because they know, to paraphrase, "the economy is going to be shitting blood for the next 4 years." Then, bum-bum-bum, they'll come back in a few years on their white horses. She thinks the selection of Palin was like starting your fourth-string quaterback if the loss will help you get a better draft pick (yes, she used that analogy!).
Thought I'd share.
Godspeed, all.
Is your mom Raad_Man? I want to party with her.
Totally. Raad_Mom sounds like a blast. I'll bring the Goldshlager.
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Whats scary to me, though, is that I wouldn't compare her to Reagan so much as she is exactly what Bush made his image into.
I agree, her appeal seems exactly like Bush's appeal.
Actually, that wasn't ericluxury, that was me.
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Thanks for sharing the Fallows article, Eric.
The more I think about it, the more that speech left me feeling really cold. All the negativity and attacking everyone else -- just what I've come to expect from the Christian right. It tires and saddens me a lot.
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Whats scary to me, though, is that I wouldn't compare her to Reagan so much as she is exactly what Bush made his image into.
I agree, her appeal seems exactly like Bush's appeal.
Actually, that wasn't ericluxury, that was me.
I said the important part, you sheep!
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I got confused. Sorry.
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It tires and saddens me a lot.
That's the key distinction. The Republican machine is built to attack enemies (real or imaginary), not help people.
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Oh look, he finished his speech by saying "fight" thirty times. Imagine that.
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Finally! Somebody sticks it to the community organizers. They've gotten a free ride for too long.
Andy Kindler was on Letterman two minutes ago and repeated that almost word for word. Is he an FoT?
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Finally! Somebody sticks it to the community organizers. They've gotten a free ride for too long.
/quote]
Yeah, I love that terrible childish logic of "If someone I don't like did something once, everyone who does and ever did that thing is stupid and bad, too!"
I've said it before and I'll say it again: SHE WILL MAKE A GREAT PRESIDENT.
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God bless those 4Chan creeps, because sometimes they do do the Lords work.
http://gawker.com/5051193/sarah-palins-personal-email-account-hacked
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God bless those 4Chan creeps, because sometimes they do do the Lords work.
http://gawker.com/5051193/sarah-palins-personal-email-account-hacked
lol
Somehow I think Palin like Bush is teflon. Still doesn't make stuff like this any less enjoyable.
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God bless those 4Chan creeps, because sometimes they do do the Lords work.
http://gawker.com/5051193/sarah-palins-personal-email-account-hacked
lol
Somehow I think Palin like Bush is teflon. Still doesn't make stuff like this any less enjoyable.
I suspect you're right, unfortunately. Did anyone see Maureen Dowd's column today? Scary stuff. A lot more fundamentalist Christian nonsense and meanspiritedness. Admittedly, a lot of this stuff is guilt by association, delivered in Ms. Dowd's own special style, but then you're judged by the company you keep. Ideally at least, that ought to be the case.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/opinion/17dowd.html?hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/opinion/17dowd.html?hp)
But I have a sneaking suspicion that none of what's being printed about her darker side is going to have much of an impact in the current climate. In any event, I think the right argument for the Democrats to be making about the selection of Palin is that it shows very poor judgment on the part of Senator McCain.
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In any event, I think the right argument for the Democrats to be making about the selection of Palin is that it shows very poor judgment on the part of Senator McCain.
I thought so too, but if people love her, then this won't hold any water. This selection is starting to seem more like evidence of very sharp judgement on McCain's part.
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I think the Republicans took all the dumbest parts of the Obama phenomenon ("Yes We Can" videos and the like) and discovered the right wing mirror image of the stupid-person's Obama. In other words, someone who is attractive mostly based on being sexy, young, "exciting" for being sexy and young, and different for being not old and not a white man. We should remember that a long time before Palinmania there was all that stupid Obama Girl shit and the like. Both teams are exploiting the total idiocy of the populace here.
As for Palin, specifically, I'm starting to think of her as a modern day Andrew Jackson. She could probably get us all psyched about genocide, no problem.
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I thought this article/editorial had some good info in it:
http://www.crosscut.com/politics-government/17341
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Her numbers are plummeting:
(http://wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/palinchart.jpg)