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The Best Show on WFMU => Show Discussion => Topic started by: Tom Scharpling on November 02, 2008, 12:18:32 AM
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People have called for a formal endorsement so here it is.
Go and vote for Barack Obama.
Everybody.
Don't vote for anyone else. Seriously.
Don't be a dick.
Vote.
Tom.
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Done.
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I CAN NOT WAIT TO VOTE!
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I just got my absentee ballot today and am afraid it wont get from NYC to Massachusetts in time to be counted (I know Obama is pretty much a shoe-in in MA but I can't risk it.). I really have no idea how fast the USPS gets stuff done. Does anyone who's mailed more than 5 things in their lifetime know if there's still a chance it will get there by Tuesday?
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I just got my absentee ballot today and am afraid it wont get from NYC to Massachusetts in time to be counted (I know Obama is pretty much a shoe-in in MA but I can't risk it.). I really have no idea how fast the USPS gets stuff done. Does anyone who's mailed more than 5 things in their lifetime know if there's still a chance it will get there by Tuesday?
1) Fill out your ballot
2) Go to a post office Monday
3) Ask them to ship it OVERNIGHT
You will pay a lot of money, but you're an idiot for waiting this long. So suck it up and DO THE RIGHT THING.
P.S. I voted absentee in Missouri since its a swing state. LET'S FUCKIN' WIN THISSSSSSSSSSSS
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I think I blew it. I've only voted once before and I registered when I was going to school in San Francisco. Didn't know I had to re-register when I moved from the county. But if I can still vote in San Francisco I might make a road trip.
GIMME YOUR OPINION:
Is it worth it to drive 2-3 hours to vote in a state that will PROBABLY go to Obama anyway?
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I think I blew it. I've only voted once before and I registered when I was going to school in San Francisco. Didn't know I had to re-register when I moved from the county. But if I can still vote in San Francisco I might make a road trip.
GIMME YOUR OPINION:
Is it worth it to drive 2-3 hours to vote in a state that will PROBABLY go to Obama anyway?
My opinion? Yep. You blew it. I think that in CA if you move to a new county you need to re-register. If you drove to your old polling place I am pretty sure you would not be on the voter roll. Please flog yourself accordingly.
But the good news is that you still have time to call ten people you know who are considering voting for McCain and try to turn their vote for Obama. And if they live in a swing state, even better. Consider it a kind of penance for dropping the ball.
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Done.
Ditto.
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Done.
Ditto.
Thirded. And, not to give myself undue credit, but my vote's extra-important since Ohio is one of the highly-contested states that could go either way. And I waited in line 3 hours to do it.
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I would if I could.
If this endorsement doesn't sway the undecided I don't know what will.
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I would if I could.
If this endorsement doesn't sway the undecided I don't know what will.
Just keep it under your hat until after election day... because we all know Sweden is socialist.
Being from the limousine liberal stronghold of Massachusetts, my vote is inconsequential, but checking the Democrat ticket is the Hardhat thing to do this year.
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I would if I could.
You're not voting? What a dick.
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I think I blew it. I've only voted once before and I registered when I was going to school in San Francisco. Didn't know I had to re-register when I moved from the county. But if I can still vote in San Francisco I might make a road trip.
GIMME YOUR OPINION:
Is it worth it to drive 2-3 hours to vote in a state that will PROBABLY go to Obama anyway?
in some states you can show up at your local polling place with your drivers liscense and vote EVEN If you are not registered, they still have to take your ballot and then, after the fact, they will figure out if you are eligible or not. i'd look into seeing if you can do this in california. and in CA, it's especially important to vote so we can strike down Prop 8!
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I think I blew it. I've only voted once before and I registered when I was going to school in San Francisco. Didn't know I had to re-register when I moved from the county. But if I can still vote in San Francisco I might make a road trip.
GIMME YOUR OPINION:
Is it worth it to drive 2-3 hours to vote in a state that will PROBABLY go to Obama anyway?
in some states you can show up at your local polling place with your drivers liscense and vote EVEN If you are not registered, they still have to take your ballot and then, after the fact, they will figure out if you are eligible or not. i'd look into seeing if you can do this in california. and in CA, it's especially important to vote so we can strike down Prop 8!
I don't think I've ever even shown my driver's license at a polling place. Not once that I can recall. All this voter qualification crap is just so antidemocratic that it's pathetic.
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I think I blew it. I've only voted once before and I registered when I was going to school in San Francisco. Didn't know I had to re-register when I moved from the county. But if I can still vote in San Francisco I might make a road trip.
GIMME YOUR OPINION:
Is it worth it to drive 2-3 hours to vote in a state that will PROBABLY go to Obama anyway?
in some states you can show up at your local polling place with your drivers liscense and vote EVEN If you are not registered, they still have to take your ballot and then, after the fact, they will figure out if you are eligible or not. i'd look into seeing if you can do this in california. and in CA, it's especially important to vote so we can strike down Prop 8!
I am from CA (now living in OR) and, if I remember right, you are assigned a polling place based on your address. If, for some reason you can not make it to your polling place on election day, you have to send in an absentee ballot. Or you can go to another polling place with an ID and cast a "provisional ballot" which is not counted until your eligibility can be proved. If you show up without an ID, you are given a "provisional ballot" as well. So, lets say you show up and say that you are registered even though you do not show up on the roll, you can vote but, once they do a check for your eligibility and find out you didn't register, the vote is thrown out.
Here in Oregon, we vote by mail and only by mail. We have no polling places, only these mail box type of things that you can drop your ballot into if you don't trust the USPS. I must say that I do like the convenience but I also miss the overwhelming feeling of knowing that I am being a good citizen by going in that voting booth. Sounds a bit corny, I know, but it is true.
I actually cast my vote two weeks ago. But then again no one knows if I filled in the ballot myself or let my dog do it for me.
And yes, 8 has to go. THE reason to vote in CA this year really. Thanks for bringing that up, gedgengras.
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Done.
Ditto.
Thirded. And, not to give myself undue credit, but my vote's extra-important since Ohio is one of the highly-contested states that could go either way. And I waited in line 3 hours to do it.
My friend said he spent 5 hrs. in line in Columbus. I said I'm just glad I don't live in a college town in a swing state.
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I can only pray that my vote tips the scales in Obama's favor in New York.
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People have called for a formal endorsement so here it is.
Go and vote for Barack Obama.
Everybody.
Don't vote for anyone else. Seriously.
Don't be a dick.
Vote.
Tom.
Tom is absolutely right. YOU MUST VOTE THE AMERICAN WAY !!! Voting for McPain and that DESPERATE HOUSEWIFE will be UNACCEPTABLE !!!
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I'm a little worried about Fort Greene. Will a neighborhood of middle-class African-American families and overeducated aging white hipsters bring themselves to pull the lever for Obama?!
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Don't be a dick.
Vote.
Tom.
Who's that?
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http://www.nme.com/news/ramones/40796
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Is anyone else scared to death?
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Is anyone else scared to death?
Yes. I am very, very concerned. Anyone who thinks this is a done deal is insane.
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I saw this comment on a conservative legal blog and it rang true to me (apart from his incorrect use of "badly"):
I keep getting forwarded e-mails from my parents that say that Obama was born in Kenya, he took the oath of office with the Koran, he is a muslim, hates America, he's bestest buds with Billy Ayers, he lied about whether he attended Wright's church, etc.
I have debunked each of these claims point by point. The last e-mail from my Mom had 13 separate easily falsifiable lies. When I asked her why she believes lie #14 from e-mail correspondents who lied 13 times before, she said "There are so many things, there must be something there. I have never heard so much bad stuff about a candidate before. Something's fishy."
These claims are targeted at the low-information voter and are designed to give remnant racism a morally palatable "reason" to vote against Obama - even if the person can't name one of McCain's positions on the actual issues.
I feel badly for McCain - if he does manage to pull out a victory tomorrow it will be on the backs of racists and idiots. (NB to McCain supporters: yes, yes, I know YOU have good issue-based reasons to support McCain - I'm talking about the idjits who are "undecided" today and will go to the polls and vote for the white guy.
This makes me sad - I like McCain and think he'd be a reasonably competent president. I just don't like how he is going to win.
http://volokh.com/posts/1225701081.shtml#475259
My tenuous faith in democracy is hanging on by a thread.
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My tenuous faith in democracy is hanging on by a thread.
Seriously, this is why I declined an invitation to go to the celebration they've got planned in Chicago tomorrow night. If Obama were to lose that would be the absolute last place I'd want to be.
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I went to the Air America party in 2004 on Election Night, right after my show.
I got to watch the light go out in Sam Seder's heart that night as he watched the election slip away.
If I could handle that, I can handle anything.
My post-show election plans will be announced on the air, depending on how things shape up/down. People in JC, please let me know where The Party is.
Tom.
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http://www.nme.com/news/ramones/40796
The infighting between Johnny and Joey continues beyond the grave.
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I'm significantly less distressed about this election than I was 2004.
I would be more concerned about a stolen election if Republican luminaries hadn't been falling all over themselves to endorse Obama the last two weeks or so.
The Republican party is in such a state of utter disarray, it literally makes me feel a little better about the outlook for humanity.
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No matter the outcome, the right cannot possibly make me any more afraid than they have made me in the recent past. The day after Bush secured it for the second time was the worst day in America I've lived through short of 9/11, bar none.
Of course I'd be crushed if we didn't pull it out this time, just not even so much because the GOP won, as for the potential evolution we'd lost. Thankfully, this will not come to pass. Conservatives would have to summon Satan himself (not that they aren't trying) to give McCain even a CHANCE at winning this thing now, Bradley effect be damned.
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If Obama doesn't win, I'm going to go be a dick at Martin's apartment. He's got the skin for it.
No, seriously, if he doesn't win...(sigh). Tomorrow: voting, then Heartless Bastards show, drinking, and watching the results with old friends, jumping from house to house. im going to make it memorable the nite we write history.
i can't wait to hear what Tom has for opening tracks tomorrow nite.
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If Obama doesn't win, I'm going to go be a dick at Martin's apartment. He's got the skin for it.
My doors are open.
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Conservatives would have to summon Satan himself (not that they aren't trying) to give McCain even a CHANCE at winning this thing now, Bradley effect be damned.
You're such a Pollyanna, JSP.
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The day after Bush secured it for the second time was the worst day in America I've lived through short of 9/11, bar none.
Yes, that was awful for me too. I will never forget it. I was living in San Francisco at the time, a true liberal "bubble". I saw a Democratic win as a sure thing. Would have bet everything I owned on it. Seriously. My wife and I went down to a tavern to watch the results come in because we didn't have a TV. The mood swing of the crowd from when we got there (around 6:00) to the time we left (midnight or so) was incredible - from ear splitting cheers at the beginning to crushed silence by the end.
From that I learned that there is truly no such thing as a "sure thing". However that does not diminish my optimism for an Obama landslide...
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No matter the outcome, the right cannot possibly make me any more afraid than they have made me in the recent past. The day after Bush secured it for the second time was the worst day in America I've lived through short of 9/11, bar none.
So true. In 2004, we watched the results come in at our friends' house. We put the kids to bed, drank, and watched the tube. The merriment slowly died down, and when the Ohio results came in, we all went to bed. I lay down between my son and daughter in the dark, looked at them sleeping, and I teared up. What the fuck were we doing to their future?
We seriously did not hang out with those friends again for several months. Both families were so upset by the events of Nov. 4, 2004, that even thinking about the other family made us nauseous. These are our best friends! We are, of course, hanging out again. But out of superstition, we have no plans to hang out tomorrow night.
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I just read that Obama's grandmother died today. I know everyone knew it was coming, but still so very sad.
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Conservatives would have to summon Satan himself (not that they aren't trying) to give McCain even a CHANCE at winning this thing now, Bradley effect be damned.
The Republicans don't really seem to be trying. They've all but abandoned McCain in the interest of trying to shore up a few congressional seats at this point, I think.
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Conservatives would have to summon Satan himself (not that they aren't trying) to give McCain even a CHANCE at winning this thing now, Bradley effect be damned.
The Republicans don't really seem to be trying. They've all but abandoned McCain in the interest of trying to shore up a few congressional seats at this point, I think.
Yes, that's true. My hyperbole got the better of me. That and I just generally assume right wingers lick their wounds by using secret, dark, summoning magics.
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I'm with you. I've had to pinch myself several times in order to come to terms with the idea that they might actually be vulnerable. I'm more accustomed to evil genius on their part than I am Democrat-worthy levels of incompetence.
Sad thing is, I never would have literally used the word "evil" in regards to the Republicans until Bush/Cheney. And I was never formally registered as a Democrat until then either.
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I'm really sad about Obama's grandma also. I suppose it just strikes me in the same place that I felt my own grandmothers' passing. They were both very important people in my life, but probably not nearly as influential as Barack's grandmother was to him. Yet in his case, it means that she could not be around to see her grandson elected president (if that happens), which would be such an important historical moment in our country. It just ain't fair.
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I can only pray that my vote tips the scales in Obama's favor in New York.
Hey Forrest, there was a Marist College poll a week ago that showed Obama leading McCain in New York state by 65 to 29. So you have to go vote for Obama, and let's hope that 36 other people do the same.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ny/new_york_mccain_vs_obama-343.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ny/new_york_mccain_vs_obama-343.html)
Or are those numbers percentages? **rimshot**
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Fellow Slobs,
Make sure you only fill-out a provisional ballot as a LAST RESORT.
Find out where to vote here. (http://www.vote411.org/pollfinder.php)
Also, know your rights. (http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/vig_06/general_06/pdf/42_pgs191_info_voterbillofrights.pdf) (.pdf link)
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No matter the outcome, the right cannot possibly make me any more afraid than they have made me in the recent past. The day after Bush secured it for the second time was the worst day in America I've lived through short of 9/11, bar none.
that was a pretty bad day...
but it's nothing compared to the day i worked a 16 hours only to be carjacked/kidnapped by a huge drunk guy outside a liquer store not 10 minutes after leaving work who then forced me to drive him around LA while he did some drugs deals. every time we parked he took my keys so i coudln't escape. also he repeated tried to solicit oral sex from me, which i respectfully declined.
i eventually managed to ditch him at a cvs
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No joke, Colin? That's one of the worst stories I've ever heard.
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but it's nothing compared to the day i worked a 16 hours only to be carjacked/kidnapped by a huge drunk guy outside a liquer store not 10 minutes after leaving work who then forced me to drive him around LA while he did some drugs deals. every time we parked he took my keys so i coudln't escape. also he repeated tried to solicit oral sex from me, which i respectfully declined.
What? Why the hell would you stay in the car if he was out of it? Did he also put a backwards B on your face because of your bumper stickers?
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but it's nothing compared to the day i worked a 16 hours only to be carjacked/kidnapped by a huge drunk guy outside a liquer store not 10 minutes after leaving work who then forced me to drive him around LA while he did some drugs deals. every time we parked he took my keys so i coudln't escape. also he repeated tried to solicit oral sex from me, which i respectfully declined.
That sounds just like that episode of 6 Feet Under.
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Looks like Patton will be doing some liveblogging tomorrow night for Comedy Central.
http://blog.indecision2008.com/
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but it's nothing compared to the day i worked a 16 hours only to be carjacked/kidnapped by a huge drunk guy outside a liquer store not 10 minutes after leaving work who then forced me to drive him around LA while he did some drugs deals. every time we parked he took my keys so i coudln't escape. also he repeated tried to solicit oral sex from me, which i respectfully declined.
That sounds just like that episode of 6 Feet Under.
Except that guy wasn't huge.
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Looks like Patton will be doing some liveblogging tomorrow night for Comedy Central.
http://blog.indecision2008.com/
good to hear.
his live facebook status updates during the debates were the stuff of legend.
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I vouted* absentee, and always do, to my most recent residence in the US, midcoast Maine.
I voted for Obama but against a couple of bizarre statewide referendums such as whether a Nevada-based casino developer should be granted permission to not just operate the $100 million facility, but be granted a statewide monopoly of casino gambling on a vast plot of farmland in Oxford, Maine.
Even if people had extra cash to gamble, it's still dirty money.
I think not. *Boing* (http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/91532.html) NO on Question 2!
Also, a referendum about whether to attach a "luxury tax" on beer, wine, soda and other beverages, to the tune of a dime a gallon, to finance a unique (and much maligned) state-run health care plan called Dirigo. Many Mainers are furious that the state wants to tax their bubblies in order to "redistribute wealth" (they say indignantly).
I say cool, let 'em tax Diet Dr. Pepper's for health care for kids, at least it might spark a statewide dialogue about how to pay for health care.
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I am so nervous about the outcome of the election. It sucks nuggets being the whipping boy of Dubya out here in Helstinki all the time.
*That's how they pronounce "voted" in Finland........... Why?
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I just got back from voting and I can't tell you how nice it was to vote for someone I actually like.
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I voted . . . against a couple of bizarre statewide referendums such as whether a Nevada-based casino developer should be granted permission to not just operate the $100 million facility, but be granted a statewide monopoly of casino gambling on a vast plot of farmland in Oxford, Maine. . . .
Also, a referendum about whether to attach a "luxury tax" on beer, wine, soda and other beverages, to the tune of a dime a gallon, to finance a unique (and much maligned) state-run health care plan called Dirigo.
May the angels smile upon you, Mark. The people for the casino and against the picayune tax on sodie have way more money than their opponents, and the ads from their camps have been endless. I have a horrible feeling that they're going to win.
So, did you vote for Allen?
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I voted . . . against a couple of bizarre statewide referendums such as whether a Nevada-based casino developer should be granted permission to not just operate the $100 million facility, but be granted a statewide monopoly of casino gambling on a vast plot of farmland in Oxford, Maine. . . .
Also, a referendum about whether to attach a "luxury tax" on beer, wine, soda and other beverages, to the tune of a dime a gallon, to finance a unique (and much maligned) state-run health care plan called Dirigo.
May the angels smile upon you, Mark. The people for the casino and against the picayune tax on sodie have way more money than their opponents, and the ads from their camps have been endless. I have a horrible feeling that they're going to win.
So, did you vote for Allen?
Ayuh! (spoken by official flatlander)
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I just voted and exit polls show there will be a congestion charge in Manchester now to fund the building of the Metrolink. Whoop!
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I just voted and exit polls show there will be a congestion charge in Manchester now to fund the building of the Metrolink. Whoop!
vote YES on proposition 12 - "is cristiano ronaldo a giant twat?"
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I VOTED!
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I've got a busy day ahead racing between Starbucks, Ben & Jerry and Krispy Kreme to get my free stuff. Oh, and I gotta vote first.
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Vote Cast (for Obama).
Here's hoping the Good Guys Win in 2008.
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Bad Guys Die '08!!!!
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Prediction:
Obama - 390
McLame - 148
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Massachusetts' Question 2 proposes to make possession of up to an ounce of marijuana a civil offense punishable with a $100 fine and confiscation instead of the current criminal offense. I haven't smoked pot since college, so I'm don't know what an ounce of pot is worth or even what it looks like, but isn't an ounce of marijuana over $100 worth and a sizable bag? I still voted Yes, but I would have been a little more comfortable, if not a little shocked, to see "dime bag" or "eighth" on the question instead of "ounce".
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I just got back from voting and I can't tell you how nice it was to vote for someone I actually like.
amen. it's going to be a totally new experience for me since the only non-bush choices i've had in the last 8 years have been, well... shit awful. about to head over to the voting pad in a few though i need to keep things in perspective and remind myself that every polling place in the country is not going to have the same outpouring of obama support as you'd find in northwest philly. this thing is not over in the least. i'm very hopeful that he can pull it off, but i'd be lying if i said i won't be chewing 'nem nails all day long until a decision is reached. i really hope the stupid people of america do the right thing and vote for the guy with a soul. i hope they ignore all of the terrorist, socialist, inexperienced, tax-you-to-death shit we've been cynically bombarded with over the past 16 months (they really give people no credit at all, do they?) and see that this is a decent man who, i believe, has the best of humanity's interests at heart. he's making an effort to right the wrongs of the past and though that is a concept often championed by politicians, they rarely, if ever, put it into action. at the risk of sounding all soap-boxy: vote for obama or stay the fuck home.
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Drudge Report's title tag says "DRUDGE REPORT 2009" right now. Conspiracy?!
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Massachusetts' Question 2 proposes to make possession of up to an ounce of marijuana a civil offense punishable with a $100 fine and confiscation instead of the current criminal offense. I haven't smoked pot since college, so I'm don't know what an ounce of pot is worth or even what it looks like, but isn't an ounce of marijuana over $100 worth and a sizable bag? I still voted Yes, but I would have been a little more comfortable, if not a little shocked, to see "dime bag" or "eighth" on the question instead of "ounce".
Yeah, an ounce does seem like a pretty large amount, but it's still in the realm of "for personal use" (or at least one guy buys & splits it up with some buddies) rather than real dealing.
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guys, i am so fuckin excited
tonight, i will be drinking - but it will be happy drinking, not 2004 drinking
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im excited about the hijinks going on today.
this morning on the way to work i saw a bride and groom standing on the corner holding up signs supporting PROP 102 (in short, no gay marriage) and it looks like someone had the day off with nothing better to do.
they looked ridiculous...but no pictures, sorry.
guys, i am so fuckin excited
tonight, i will be drinking - but it will be happy drinking, not 2004 drinking
i'll be with you in spirit.
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Having been forced to do absentee ballot for Maine, I am missing the excitement of going to place an actual vote in a polling place, but I am excited for the first time about politics and this election. I never used to care whatsoever (i was naive!) but this is truly an exciting time.
I just pray to god we aren't all getting our hopes too high only to be let down...
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I've got a busy day ahead racing between Starbucks, Ben & Jerry and Krispy Kreme to get my free stuff. Oh, and I gotta vote first.
What's this about? Do I need proof of having voted or something? Is this happening in NY/NJ?
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I've got a busy day ahead racing between Starbucks, Ben & Jerry and Krispy Kreme to get my free stuff. Oh, and I gotta vote first.
What's this about? Do I need proof of having voted or something? Is this happening in NY/NJ?
Starbucks was promising a free coffee to anyone who came in and said they voted, but then election officials told them that it is against some(?) state election laws to offer anything in for a vote (for anyone). So now they're just giving out coffee to anyone who asks... Or something. (http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/11/04/vote-and-get-free-coffee-donuts-and-a-felony/) I'm glad there's no Starbucks here, because it's creepy when the baristas ask your name there... Hey, just pour the coffee.
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Thanks!
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I got free coffee at Starbucks today in MO. They did check my "I Voted" sticker, but otherwise no problem.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSTRE4A24Q620081103?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews&rpc=69
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(http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/elections/images/i-voted.gif)
No problems at my polling place. It all went swimmingly.
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Worst thing about voting in my district: I never get an "I Voted!" sticker.
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I'm reasonably optimistic that Obama's gonna have this thing wrapped up by about 8:30 p.m. central time. If A.P. Mike is announced as the mayor-elect of Newbridge by 10 p.m. central -- and I'm much, much more cautious about my hope in this arena -- I will be drunker than I have ever been by 11:37 p.m.
I'm trying not to pin absurdly high expectations on Obama, but good lord it's going to be nice to not be completely embarrassed by this country's leadership for a change.
(Unfortunately, my beloved but misguided Texas is set to remain solidly red 'n' stupid this year and for the foreseeable future, despite our best efforts here in Austin.)
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I'm reasonably optimistic that Obama's gonna have this thing wrapped up by about 8:30 p.m. central time. If A.P. Mike is announced as the mayor-elect of Newbridge by 10 p.m. central -- and I'm much, much more cautious about my hope in this arena -- I will be drunker than I have ever been by 11:37 p.m.
I'm trying not to pin absurdly high expectations on Obama, but good lord it's going to be nice to not be completely embarrassed by this country's leadership for a change.
(Unfortunately, my beloved but misguided Texas is set to remain solidly red 'n' stupid this year and for the foreseeable future, despite our best efforts here in Austin.)
Austin is the exception to the "Don't Mess With Texas" rule...majority of the time.
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I'm reasonably optimistic that Obama's gonna have this thing wrapped up by about 8:30 p.m. central time. If A.P. Mike is announced as the mayor-elect of Newbridge by 10 p.m. central -- and I'm much, much more cautious about my hope in this arena -- I will be drunker than I have ever been by 11:37 p.m.
I'm with you on both counts. This will be a great day if Obama and A.P. Mike win.
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Vote for Barack OBama!
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P.S. I voted absentee in Missouri since its a swing state. LET'S FUCKIN' WIN THISSSSSSSSSSSS
ME TOO! high five.
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this morning on the way to work i saw a bride and groom standing on the corner holding up signs supporting PROP 102 (in short, no gay marriage) and it looks like someone had the day off with nothing better to do.
they looked ridiculous...but no pictures, sorry.
the best thing to do when you see something like that is go right up to them and kneel down while making the sign of the cross. make no eye contact whatsoever the entire time. when they finally ask what it is you're doing, tell them you're praying (real hard) that the good lord blesses them with a gay child. actually, i would never wish creeps like that on a gay child. they're likely the kind of folks to kick a kid out of the house at 17 for "choosing" that lifestyle. honestly, are people really still this outraged over the whole gay marriage thing? still? c'mon... not supporting it is one thing. going out of your way to influence the way other people live their lives is another. and by that i mean it's stupid.
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I gotta say, I will be extremely bummed out if it doesn't go the way I want it, but there's a few things that I will hold onto:
I maintain that I basically lost faith in the people of the U.S.A. in 2004, so if Obama wins, this will restore my faith, but if he loses, it'll just be more of the same. I've gotten used to expecting nothing, but four years ago I was pretty surprised when everyone sold their core values up the river.
Also, I still feel that this election was all about Obama, and that the Republicans are a mess either way. McCain would probably be a "good guy" but a shitty president, as opposed to an evil guy and an evil president. If he dies and Sarah Palin takes over, well, yeah, we're fucked, but it's important to remember that if McCain/Palin loses, Palin's gonna be around for awhile anyway. We're stuck with her, and there's a small army of Sarah Palins behind her. We're stuck with all these ignorant goons no matter who wins, so we deal with them now, or we stave them off for a bit and then deal with them again in four years.
This sounds so pessimistic but it's weirdly the stuff I'm trying to comfort my nerves with! I still have hope, and that kinda scares me.
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Yeah, people are that outraged about gay marriage. The ballot proposition in California banning gay marriage just might pass, and I think the prospects for the same in Florida and Arizona are probably pretty good.
I thought we were moving beyond this, when polls initially showed that California voters were likely to reject this measure. However, polls typically undercount support for anti-gay marriage measures, meaning that if 49% of California voters polled say they support it, as was the case in a recent poll, the real amount of support on election day is likely to be well upwards of 50%. A true "Bradley effect."
It really saddens me to see this happen. I married my partner in California this August, which was one of the best days of my life. It meant so much to be able to do this finally. Sadly, that right may be taken away, just months after it became a reality. Thanks for reading -- I acknowledge that this post really, truly belongs in the humorless politics thread.
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chin up, Fido. i'm of the mind that if i want something bad enough, i do what i need to do. it's not always the right/easy choice, but if what you truly want is not in CA, head for greener pastures.
of course, that's the (very) short answer that holds no regard for most people's reality.
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Yeah, keep hope alive, Fido.
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Gay marriage is one of the few issues that I think actually warrants considering moving to Canada. We got gay marriage, we had a cynical re-consideration of it (kind of like California is having today) and we kept it!
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Jersey's got gay marriage, Fido! We can add that to the Jersey wins list, though I hope Prop. 8 goes down in flames. It might have even had the unexpected effect of driving up Democratic turnout.
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Yeah, people are that outraged about gay marriage. The ballot proposition in California banning gay marriage just might pass, and I think the prospects for the same in Florida and Arizona are probably pretty good.
I thought we were moving beyond this, when polls initially showed that California voters were likely to reject this measure. However, polls typically undercount support for anti-gay marriage measures, meaning that if 49% of California voters polled say they support it, as was the case in a recent poll, the real amount of support on election day is likely to be well upwards of 50%. A true "Bradley effect."
It really saddens me to see this happen. I married my partner in California this August, which was one of the best days of my life. It meant so much to be able to do this finally. Sadly, that right may be taken away, just months after it became a reality. Thanks for reading -- I acknowledge that this post really, truly belongs in the humorless politics thread.
ugh... that's just sickening. so they'll just make null and void all of the previous marriages if this thing passes? like they never happened? that ain't right... i wish you all the best fido.
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This sounds so pessimistic but it's weirdly the stuff I'm trying to comfort my nerves with! I still have hope, and that kinda scares me.
Yup. Except only recently have I seen hope's fragile rebirth in me. To feel it again after so many, many years only to have it die? A prospect too awful to contemplate--so I'm contemplating it as much as I can, just in case.
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Yeah, people are that outraged about gay marriage. The ballot proposition in California banning gay marriage just might pass, and I think the prospects for the same in Florida and Arizona are probably pretty good.
I thought we were moving beyond this, when polls initially showed that California voters were likely to reject this measure. However, polls typically undercount support for anti-gay marriage measures, meaning that if 49% of California voters polled say they support it, as was the case in a recent poll, the real amount of support on election day is likely to be well upwards of 50%. A true "Bradley effect."
It really saddens me to see this happen. I married my partner in California this August, which was one of the best days of my life. It meant so much to be able to do this finally. Sadly, that right may be taken away, just months after it became a reality. Thanks for reading -- I acknowledge that this post really, truly belongs in the humorless politics thread.
ugh... that's just sickening. so they'll just make null and void all of the previous marriages if this thing passes? like they never happened? that ain't right... i wish you all the best fido.
Actually most legal experts are saying that the existing gay marriages won't be invalidated, though it will surely be tied up in court for months, if not years. I'm a big fan of civil unions for everyone, and people can handle marriage in whatever personal or religious way they want. My wife and I had an awesome godless ceremony where we read Rilke and Octavio Paz, though I think I made a remark about Jewish tradition just to rattle my new father-in-law.
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it's important to remember that if McCain/Palin loses, Palin's gonna be around for awhile anyway. We're stuck with her, and there's a small army of Sarah Palins behind her. We're stuck with all these ignorant goons no matter who wins, so we deal with them now, or we stave them off for a bit and then deal with them again in four years.
I'm not so sure she'll amount to anything if they lose. I know, she seems really popular right now, but think of the losing ticket's running mate from the past 30 or so years of presidential elections and think about where their political careers are now. Edwards? Lieberman? Kemp? Quayle? Ferraro? Mondale? (I omitted the dead guy in the interest of tact) All more or less done. I know Palin's a new type of animal, but I don't think she'll go very far if they lose. I also think she'll get scapegoated as the reason for the loss.
Want to know what scares me the most of about the possibility of a McCain victory? Three words - "Attorney General Giuliani."
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I also think she'll get scapegoated as the reason for the loss.
Already happening. She's more popular with the party than McCain but less popular with the electorate, which really underlies serious problems within the Republican party. Seriously, these people first need to learn how to be human again.
Want to know what scares me the most of about the possibility of a McCain victory? Three words - "Attorney General Giuliani."
Dear god no...
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Yeah, Grote is right (again). Same-sex marriages already performed are unlikely to be invalidated by this law. That's why there has been a rash of gay marriages in Cali in the last few weeks. There was an article about this in the Times today actually.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/04/us/04marriage.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/04/us/04marriage.html)
So don't worry about me, I'm one of the lucky ones (assuming you think a marriage of any kind is actually a blessing). I'm just steamed that the supposedly most-progressive state in the country appears poised to kill this gay marriage thing. Which suggests that hope lies in the courts (although the Massachusetts state assembly deserves a little bit of credit).
If you're gay, you can get married in Connecticut now also. And Jersey gets props for allowing civil unions, along with Vermont and NH. And you can get married or enter into a civil union in Canada and most western European countries, although few U.S. states recognize same-sex marriages performed abroad.
If all this makes people you know uncomfortable, you can tell them that it doesn't affect them materially one iota.
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Surprising:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/10/ward-connerly-t.html
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No matter the outcome, the right cannot possibly make me any more afraid than they have made me in the recent past. The day after Bush secured it for the second time was the worst day in America I've lived through short of 9/11, bar none.
Of course I'd be crushed if we didn't pull it out this time, just not even so much because the GOP won, as for the potential evolution we'd lost. Thankfully, this will not come to pass. Conservatives would have to summon Satan himself (not that they aren't trying) to give McCain even a CHANCE at winning this thing now, Bradley effect be damned.
I second Joe - I've been wearing black for 8 years now, I'm ready for a change
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Done and done!
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Shamblers voted! ;D
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but it's nothing compared to the day i worked a 16 hours only to be carjacked/kidnapped by a huge drunk guy outside a liquer store not 10 minutes after leaving work who then forced me to drive him around LA while he did some drugs deals. every time we parked he took my keys so i coudln't escape. also he repeated tried to solicit oral sex from me, which i respectfully declined.
What? Why the hell would you stay in the car if he was out of it? Did he also put a backwards B on your face because of your bumper stickers?
people keep asking me that. it's a decent question.
honestly, i didn't want to come back to find my tires slashed and windshield smashed out or worse. it's kind of like The Bicycle Thief, my car is my crucial to my livelihood, i would rather ride it out on the assumption i'd get out of it unscathed than sacrifice something i need to survive. plus i live in LA, do you expect me to walk home?
and yes Fido, it's a real story and it was fucking scary.
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I voted today. It was a provisional ballot because I am a fuck up. But hopefully it winds up counting.
To make up for it, I honked for Obama at an intersection.
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Voted in a voting booth, live, for Obama. Whoo hoo!
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Wow, Colin, that is fucking scary. When I first read your post, I thought your story might have been just a story, because we all love to make up stories around here. And then I reread it and thought differently. I'm glad you made it out of that experience okay and are still my fellow Friend of Tom. :)
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BEST SHOW BUMP!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU, TOM!!!!!
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WE DID IT!!!!!!!!
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You did it, America! Clearly the Best Show endorsement was instrumental.
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Total Best Show bump in play.
Tonight I went to a party hosted by The Onion and got to see Morgan Murphy, Aziz Ansare and the one and only Patton Oswalt do stand up for a post-election crowd. It was glorious. Patton O is a master crafstman. I gotta say I was impressed by Ansari as well (btw, fuck if I know how to spell his name). After the show I thanked P.O. and M.M. but I didn't have the cajones, or the time, to involve the Best Show in any explanations of my admiration. For real, though, I really wanted just to thank them for making it a memorable occasion and for ushering the new era in with class. They were cool about it. Seriously, people, Patton Oswalt is a cut above all the rest. It's incredible.
Also, wtf how cool is it that we have the first black president?
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good guys win.
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The country seems fine, but at what price in Newbridge?
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Sent this morning:
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I was working last night, but I'm looking forward to listening to Tuesday's show.
(Best part of the morning: seeing my boss dejected and trying to engage people in a discussion about Barack Obama's missing birth certificate.)
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Sent this morning:
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Right on brotha. Cracked me up.
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Sent this morning:
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Priceless.
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Sent this morning:
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Wonderful!
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Yeah, Grote is right (again). Same-sex marriages already performed are unlikely to be invalidated by this law.
This was just reported on MSNBC as well, so of course it must be true.