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Title: Flawed greatness
Post by: JonFromMaplewood on November 12, 2008, 11:45:04 PM
"The Departed" is a great film.   But that last shot with the rat? Ew buoy.

Talking Heads put out seven great studio albums....and "True Stories."

Any others come to mind?
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: erechoveraker on November 13, 2008, 12:07:38 AM
Darjeeling Limited. It has things I like about it even, but it's the first Wes Anderson movie I don't flat out love or have a lot of respect for. In fact, I've only been able to sit through about half of it since I saw it in the theater the first time, just doesn't do it for me for some reason. 
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: todd on November 13, 2008, 12:34:30 AM
"The Departed" is a great film.   But that last shot with the rat? Ew buoy.

Talking Heads put out seven great studio albums....and "True Stories."

Any others come to mind?


I would hardly call The Departed a "GREAT" film. It was alright. But you're right, that last shot of the rat was way off.

I think this would be a cool on-air topic. has it come up before?
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: <<<<< on November 13, 2008, 02:32:25 AM
Another glaring flaw regarding The Departed is simply the embarassment of the Academy of having waited until this one.

Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: Come on, Jason on November 13, 2008, 02:43:29 AM
And Jack Nicholson.
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: Partymouth on November 13, 2008, 02:48:18 AM
Another glaring flaw regarding The Departed is simply the embarrassment of the Academy of having waited until this one.




Yeah, they should have shown the stories of the three uneventful academy classes before that one



Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: Chris L on November 13, 2008, 06:50:41 AM
2001: A Space Odyssey.  One of the most transcendent movies ever made, yet at times a bit too... contemplative. 
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: erika on November 13, 2008, 08:44:12 AM
Jose Saramago - he wrote Blindness, which is absolutely one of my favorite books of all time. It's detailed, personal, creepy and poetic. But in reading many of his other books, I see he gets lost in the details... there's just so much there you lose the personality of the stories and it just feels like rambling. Like he smothered his stories.

Either way, everyone should read Blindness. (Especially if you plan on seeing the movie)
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: Andy on November 13, 2008, 09:03:27 AM
The television show Dinosaurs.  Everything fit well, but it could have been totally pushed into greatness if the baby dinosaur had a catchphrase.
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: Sarah on November 13, 2008, 09:30:30 AM
You mean the show that inspired The Flintstones?
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: Emily on November 13, 2008, 09:53:39 AM
You're all a bunch of critics!
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: JonFromMaplewood on November 13, 2008, 10:06:30 AM

Another glaring flaw regarding The Departed is simply the embarrassment of the Academy of having waited until this one.

Fair enough. It is not a great movie. A solid movie perhaps?  Whatever it was, the rat brought it down several notches.
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: Chris L on November 13, 2008, 10:06:52 AM
Emily's posts are usually great but sometimes she really misses the mark.  
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: Wes on November 13, 2008, 10:55:27 AM
Can we agree that, had the rat turned and winked at the audience (with an audible winking noise, you know, that *ting* sound), that last shot would have actually improved the movie?
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: Come on, Jason on November 13, 2008, 11:07:13 AM
Wall-E could have used some boobs.  Still a good movie, though.
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: erika on November 13, 2008, 11:08:28 AM
Reeses peanut butter cups are one of the most delicious cheap candies on earth.

And yet all their other creations (fast break, those nasty cookies, ice cream bars) are nasty.
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: Stupornaut on November 13, 2008, 12:07:36 PM
Reeses peanut butter cups are one of the most delicious cheap candies on earth.

And yet all their other creations (fast break, those nasty cookies, ice cream bars) are nasty.

Reese's Pieces?
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: Omar on November 13, 2008, 12:45:33 PM
Hippy Justice.  Not that into "Kid eBay" and "Timmy von Trimble," but the rest is solid!
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: Beth on November 13, 2008, 12:54:29 PM
Reeses peanut butter cups are one of the most delicious cheap candies on earth.

And yet all their other creations (fast break, those nasty cookies, ice cream bars) are nasty.

Reese's Pieces?

Reese's Pieces are like colorful salty peanut butter turds.
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: <<<<< on November 13, 2008, 01:30:01 PM
When I think of words that describe 2001: A Space Odyssey, the word "brutal" comes to mind.

(In a good way though.)
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: jbissell on November 13, 2008, 01:39:28 PM
Wall-E could have used some boobs.
Jeff Garlin?

re: The Departed, everyone always mentions the rat, but what about Jack wielding that big purple dildo? Yikes.
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: Martin on November 13, 2008, 01:56:44 PM
Hippy Justice.  Not that into "Kid eBay" and "Timmy von Trimble," but the rest is solid!

Cold.
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on November 13, 2008, 02:50:20 PM
Can we agree that, had the rat turned and winked at the audience (with an audible winking noise, you know, that *ting* sound), that last shot would have actually improved the movie?

that's it.  i want to know where you live (who cares what you look like).  this is insane.*





*i couldnt get rid of the giggles/chuckles reading this one.
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: KickTheBobo on November 13, 2008, 03:05:17 PM
I Heart Huckabees : it's good, but flawed.
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: KickTheBobo on November 13, 2008, 03:10:29 PM
Reeses peanut butter cups are one of the most delicious cheap candies on earth.

And yet all their other creations (fast break, those nasty cookies, ice cream bars) are nasty.

I disagree. THIS was the bomb:

ok, two seconds of after-the-fact research shows me that PB Max was a Mars, Inc creation rather than Hershey.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbd-jzQU4EM[/youtube]
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: erika on November 13, 2008, 04:26:03 PM
I should revise my original statement to include the fact that the Pumpkin, Snowman, Easter Egg and other forms of reeces peanut butter cups are as good as the regular ones. As are the mini ones.

It's all their other products that just don't hit the mark.
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: Come on, Jason on November 13, 2008, 05:49:58 PM
The new Reese's Crispy Crunch bar is awesome.  It's like a butterfinger with peanut butter and nuts.
(http://www.thechocolatereview.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/2008-06-06-39429.jpg)
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on November 13, 2008, 05:53:40 PM
no way.  its a cavity creep.  i prefer the nougat-filled fast break:

(http://www.ekmpowershop7.com/ekmps/shops/statesidecandy/images/fast_break_%5B800x600%5D.jpg)
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: Bryan on November 14, 2008, 10:15:39 AM
According to the packaging, the Fast Break features multiple nougats. Impressive!
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on November 14, 2008, 11:25:14 AM
no way.  its a cavity creep.  i prefer the nougat nougats-filled fast break:
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: jbissell on November 14, 2008, 11:50:13 AM
no way.  its a cavity creep.  i prefer the nougat nougats-filled fast break:

The Fast Break is awesome.  Although sometimes I feel sick after eating it.
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: JonFromMaplewood on November 14, 2008, 11:52:18 AM
What exactly is/are nougat(s)? 
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: jbissell on November 14, 2008, 11:57:21 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nougat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nougat)

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There are two basic kinds of nougat: white and brown. White nougat is made with beaten egg whites and is soft, whereas brown nougat (called nougatine in French) is made with caramelized sugar and has a firmer, often crunchy texture.
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: samir on November 14, 2008, 12:35:49 PM
According to the packaging, the Fast Break features multiple nougats. Impressive!

Is this going to become on those annoying things that annoying people say, like The Internets? I hope not.
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on November 14, 2008, 12:41:59 PM
According to the packaging, the Fast Break features multiple nougats. Impressive!

Is this going to become on those annoying things that annoying people say, like The Internets? I hope not.

or "Sonics" (fast food). 
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: JonFromMaplewood on November 14, 2008, 04:00:53 PM
According to the packaging, the Fast Break features multiple nougats. Impressive!

Is this going to become on those annoying things that annoying people say, like The Internets? I hope not.

or "Sonics" (fast food). 

Or "Eddie Vedder and the Pearl Jams?"*


*Okay, I heard that once, from Anthony Kiedis, and I will admit to chuckling.
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: <<<<< on November 14, 2008, 07:24:26 PM
My old apartment building had a problem with nougats.  Had the place sprayed.
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: Martin on November 19, 2008, 07:17:03 PM
Last night's Daily Show. The John Oliver/CNN segment was amazing, one of the best they've done this season. Then: "Please welcome our guest tonight, Denis Leary!"
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: samir on November 19, 2008, 07:35:56 PM
Last night's Daily Show. The John Oliver/CNN segment was amazing, one of the best they've done this season. Then: "Please welcome our guest tonight, Denis Leary!"

"It's good to be King"
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: Steve of Bloomington on November 19, 2008, 11:54:16 PM
2001: A Space Odyssey.  One of the most transcendent movies ever made, yet at times a bit too... contemplative. 

I love the long drawn out parts.  Space travel ultimately would be boring, like long flights, only longer.  Also in Tartovsky's Solaris, I think there is like a 15 minute cab ride filmed in its entirety.  Also brilliant.
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: John Junk 2.0 on November 20, 2008, 01:38:02 AM
Last scene in There will Be Blood kinda burns up a lot of good will.  Still a great movie, but not super-awesome because of the bowling alley thing, even with the pop culture lexicon barnstormer "I drink your milkshake!"
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: jbissell on November 20, 2008, 02:09:30 AM
One movie that could've been fantastic but fell apart at the end: Danny Boyle's Sunshine.
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: John Junk 2.0 on November 20, 2008, 02:34:12 AM
Last night's Daily Show. The John Oliver/CNN segment was amazing, one of the best they've done this season. Then: "Please welcome our guest tonight, Denis Leary!"

That's funny, cause I thought that John Oliver thing was a total dud.
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: Martin on November 20, 2008, 06:25:06 AM
WELL YOUR A DUD  >:(
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: JonFromMaplewood on November 20, 2008, 10:14:48 AM
Last scene in There will Be Blood kinda burns up a lot of good will.  Still a great movie, but not super-awesome because of the bowling alley thing, even with the pop culture lexicon barnstormer "I drink your milkshake!"

Amen brother.
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: Chris L on November 20, 2008, 10:29:15 AM
Last scene in There will Be Blood kinda burns up a lot of good will.  Still a great movie, but not super-awesome because of the bowling alley thing, even with the pop culture lexicon barnstormer "I drink your milkshake!"

That ending grew on me, but I would still trade it for the mystery ending behind door #2, or whatever the Deal or No Deal equivalent would be. 

(BTW turns out the mystery ending is directed by Michel Gondry.  Eli slaps Daniel Plainview around with his suddenly enormous hand and rides away on the back of a minotaur that's atop an even larger centaur). 
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: erika on November 20, 2008, 10:54:45 AM
My father, the best father a girl could ever want, is also a self-described neo-con.
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: yesno on November 20, 2008, 11:04:03 AM
I have an interview for something of a dream job...

but it's for the cheap-ass government and I have to fly to DC on my own dime on short notice during holiday season.
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: Wes on November 20, 2008, 11:06:34 AM
Last scene in There will Be Blood kinda burns up a lot of good will.  Still a great movie, but not super-awesome because of the bowling alley thing, even with the pop culture lexicon barnstormer "I drink your milkshake!"

That ending grew on me, but I would still trade it for the mystery ending behind door #2, or whatever the Deal or No Deal equivalent would be. 

(BTW turns out the mystery ending is directed by Michel Gondry.  Eli slaps Daniel Plainview around with his suddenly enormous hand and rides away on the back of a minotaur that's atop an even larger centaur). 

The original ending was that Eli returns as a vampire - this is why he hasn't aged - and offers a dying Plainview eternal life, but only as his vampire thrall. This is where the whole Blood thing in the title was going to come into play. Plainview would seemingly agree to be turned by Eli, but would just be drawing him close enough to impale him with a bowling pin because he couldn't bear to live as anything less than the Master Vampire.

The whole thing fell through when Paul Thomas Anderson and Daniel Day-Lewis got into a heated argument over what kind of vampire Eli was. Anderson admitted that he hadn't really thought about it and just figured that Eli would be a regular vampire: vulnerable to staking, beheading, sunlight, all that. But Day-Lewis was adamant that Eli should be invulnerable to garlic and stakes and should sparkle in the daylight.

They couldn't come to an agreement, so the whole vampire subplot was dropped.
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: Sarah on November 20, 2008, 03:47:02 PM
Who knew D-L was a Twilight fan.
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: Chris L on November 20, 2008, 04:27:03 PM
That quarrelsome cobbler was onto something. 
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: JonFromMaplewood on November 20, 2008, 05:02:09 PM
Chris L and Wes,

P.T. Anderson should have consulted you guys before making the movie.  I am laughing my ass off here.

Or he should have spoken to directors who can pull off more subtle endings. Richard Linklater's "Before Sunset" would have been a good one to study (still one of my favorite endings ever...even though "Before Sunrise" annoyed the piss out of me).

I would have been much happier if the last time we saw Daniel Plainview, he was sitting at dinner quietly - sad, drunk, and maybe slightly wobbly - and he just fell into his soup. A few bubbles come up, and then nothing.
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: jbissell on November 21, 2008, 11:01:26 AM
Even though "I drink your milkshake" got all the love, "I'm done now" absolutely killed me.
Title: Re: Flawed greatness
Post by: erika on November 21, 2008, 11:11:24 AM
I'm a big fan of "bastard from a basket"