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The Best Show on WFMU => Dear Tom => Topic started by: Trembling Eagle on November 14, 2008, 12:35:20 AM
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Have you ever thought about lifting?
I'm being dead serious.
Something about resistance training that focuses the mind and spirit in a way that nothing else does IMO.
It's unfortunate more creative minded people aren't into weights, but the Greeks had it right: sound mind in a sound body.
I know you joke around about Henry Rollins, but you have to admit that there is an artist and a man with not only a clear vision of his own creative direction but a kind of quiet strength and sureness of purpose I think comes from a man acquainted with the iron arts.
I'm not talking about mindless cardio and "fitness" which is a complete waste of time and energy but hardcore lifting and resistance training.
If you're interested let me know, I'll point you in the direction of some materials I think can be life changing.
Thanks for all the great shows and great laffs
-Trembling Eagle
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Have you ever thought about lifting?
I'm being dead serious.
Something about resistance training that focuses the mind and spirit in a way that nothing else does IMO.
It's unfortunate more creative minded people aren't into weights, but the Greeks had it right: sound mind in a sound body.
I know you joke around about Henry Rollins, but you have to admit that there is an artist and a man with not only a clear vision of his own creative direction but a kind of quiet strength and sureness of purpose I think comes from a man acquainted with the iron arts.
I'm not talking about mindless cardio and "fitness" which is a complete waste of time and energy but hardcore lifting and resistance training.
If you're interested let me know, I'll point you in the direction of some materials I think can be life changing.
Thanks for all the great shows and great laffs
-Trembling Eagle
Have you ever thought about having some tact?
I'm being dead serious.
Something about being tactful that focuses the mind and spirit in a way that nothing else does IMO.
It's unfortunate more creative minded people aren't into being socially graceful, but Lincoln had it right: Silence is not always tact, but it is tact that is golden, not silence.
I know you joke around about Paul F Thompkins, but you have to admit that there is an artist and a man with not only a clear vision of his own creative direction but a sense of timing and a clear idea of what is better left unsaid that I think comes from a man acquainted with knowing when to shut the fuck up.
I'm not talking about never posting again and "dropping the act" which is a complete waste of time and energy but actually having some perception of the human condition and finding acceptance for people beyond the meatheads at your gym.
If you're interested let me know, I'll point you in the direction of some materials I think can be life changing (http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Idiots-Guide-Difficult-Conversations/dp/1592576192/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2_s9_rk?ie=UTF8&s=books&s9r=8afd3cfe142113f90114d707a26b195d&itemPosition=2&qid=1226641654&sr=8-2).
Thanks for all the great posts and great laffs
-Regular Joe
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I glazed over this thread as quickly as possible, but I noticed that Mutant B misspelled "Tompkins", so I'm siding with Mutant A.
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I'm not talking about never posting again and "dropping the act" which is a complete waste of time and energy but actually having some perception of the human condition and finding acceptance for people beyond the meatheads at your gym.
-Regular Joe
I sense hostility in you, you wouldn't have that if you lifted.
Weight training can be cleansing to soul, when the proper philosophical understanding is applied.
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Now I'm starting to lean B.
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That was really stupid! I cant believe I misspelled Tompkins. I've called people out on that, even on this forum (http://www.friendsoftom.com/forum/index.php/topic,4247.msg84004.html#msg84004). I have to go tell Kyle Glass about this.
Also, I'm not hostile TE, you are generally a charming nut, but I thought that initial post of yours was supremely passive aggressive and rude. Might as well just send the man a pack of liposuction coupons, it'd be equally as subtle.
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What the fuck is wrong with cardio?
I loved basic training when we skinny dudes were annihilating the meatheads on the PT tests.
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That was really stupid! I cant believe I misspelled Tompkins. I've called people out on that, even on this forum. I have to go tell Kyle Glass about this.
Also, I'm not hostile TE, you are generally a charming nut, but I thought that initial post of yours was supremely passive aggressive and rude. Might as well just send the man a pack of liposuction coupons, it'd be equally as subtle.
I have to admit I didn't think about the angle of "oh you need to get in shape" angle most sheeple walk around with, it's such a product of the capitalist consumer society we live in. I don't even think that way. Really that fitness/dieting thing is a big waste of time energy designed as most things are to sell u even more shit you don't need. A guy or gal is in/out of shape: bah, who gives a shit?
I'm talking about Siddhartha under the bodhi tree here, I'm talking about Paul on the road to Damascus, I'm talking about loading up a bar with some 45's and reaching into the celestial spheres. A kind of aggressive self actualization through action for the modern age, Rumi would write about it.
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What the fuck is wrong with cardio?
I loved basic training when we skinny dudes were annihilating the meatheads on the PT tests.
a little cardio is ok
on off days from lifting, but for me the cardio practice worth anything are decidedly anaerobic: fartleks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fartlek
The kind of cardio done by most people is soul crushing and ultimately unhealthy.
But really we're arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin here.
I made this poast as an invitation to Tom to join the iron brotherhood. Not to get into the minutiae of the fellowship practice.
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That was really stupid! I cant believe I misspelled Tompkins. I've called people out on that, even on this forum. I have to go tell Kyle Glass about this.
Also, I'm not hostile TE, you are generally a charming nut, but I thought that initial post of yours was supremely passive aggressive and rude. Might as well just send the man a pack of liposuction coupons, it'd be equally as subtle.
I have to admit I didn't think about the angle of "oh you need to get in shape" angle most sheeple walk around with, it's such a product of the capitalist consumer society we live in. I don't even think that way. Really that fitness/dieting thing is a big waste of time energy designed as most things are to sell u even more shit you don't need. A guy or gal is in/out of shape: bah, who gives a shit?
I'm talking about Siddhartha under the bodhi tree here, I'm talking about Paul on the road to Damascus, I'm talking about loading up a bar with some 45's and reaching into the celestial spheres. A kind of aggressive self actualization through action for the modern age, Rumi would write about it.
Gosh, I really don't know what to believe anymore. I think I actually wish to retract my snark as it seems you obviously didn't mean that post how I read it. It seriously just reminded me of when that guy told PFT a few weeks ago that he was 'getting back to form' or whatever it was he said. Rude!
Now somebody call my cell so I can figure out where I am when it rings. I really can't see a thing, and I think I'm hanging upside down, but my equilibrium is so out of whack I just can't tell.
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You do realize you're addicted to endorphins, right, TE?
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I made this poast as an invitation to Tom to join the iron brotherhood.
Why would Tom want to join a motorcycle gang club (http://www.ironbrotherhoodmc.com/)?
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There's this blog I read that used to have a regular commenter who was obsessed with the blogger's fitness regime. It was really weird. He had other obsessions too, like who the best Flash is
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/kiddae/flash.jpg)
but when he'd say things like "if you don't exercise your digestive organs might sag against the abdominal wall and a hard punch to the stomach will kill you" it was pretty creepy.
Now, Mr. Eagle has clarified his position as more of a "enlightenment through monstrous biceps" worldview, so I'm not saying this is the same thing; I was just reminded of that strange fellow.
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I made this poast as an invitation to Tom to join the iron brotherhood.
a/k/a jock squad
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*looks at thread*
oh boy
I had one too many bee pollen infused protein shakes last night.
What was I thinking?
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I always felt Hank Rollins' quiet drive and sense of purpose was from attending military academy and being essentially homeless and on tour with a workaholic like Greg Ginn.
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There is nothing I can say about this thread that isn't going to upset me on some level.
Good to see the guy who is encouraging me to get control of my mind looks back at his own posts the following day with regret.
If your fitness advice is even remotely close to your musical taste, I can look forward to a visit to the emergency room after our first 'session'.
Tom.
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can we swing this thread more towards how henry rollins is a thick necked dunce?
i love black flag about as much as is humanly possible but that guy is a doofus
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can we swing this thread more towards how henry rollins is a thick necked dunce?
i love black flag about as much as is humanly possible but that guy is a doofus
Yeah, let's swing it that way. I still have a lot of admiration for his work ethic, but he does some really dumb things. I remember when he appeared in some magazine ads for the Gap. The fucking Gap! And then when interviewers confronted him about it, he justified it by saying "I'm taking the Man's money and putting it back into my punk-rock projects, maaaan ...." Very doofusy.
And a lot of his "rants" are pretty lummox-headed. A lot of the Henry rants are Henry talking about how Henry's cultural tastes are superior to everyone else's, and people who don't like what Henry likes should be beat up (by Henry). That kind of thing can be funny when delivered by someone else, but Henry tends to be obnoxiously adolescent and non-endearing when he talks about this stuff.
He needs to get bit in the behind by Rollins Band (the dog).
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I believe they've done studies and the cardio does more to preserve your brain as you progress into old age and decrepitude than lifting does...encouraging the flow of blood to the remote parts of your brain, getting the oxygen everywhere it needs to go, all that stuff.
Lifting's cool, too
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Also PFT knows how to dress right.
This whole 'we got a grown up President now - everybody grow up' thing is resonating with me.
I've already cooled down a lot in the workplace after seeing how bad rage boy looked next to Obama, anyhow...
Have you ever thought about lifting?
I'm being dead serious.
Something about resistance training that focuses the mind and spirit in a way that nothing else does IMO.
It's unfortunate more creative minded people aren't into weights, but the Greeks had it right: sound mind in a sound body.
I know you joke around about Henry Rollins, but you have to admit that there is an artist and a man with not only a clear vision of his own creative direction but a kind of quiet strength and sureness of purpose I think comes from a man acquainted with the iron arts.
I'm not talking about mindless cardio and "fitness" which is a complete waste of time and energy but hardcore lifting and resistance training.
If you're interested let me know, I'll point you in the direction of some materials I think can be life changing.
Thanks for all the great shows and great laffs
-Trembling Eagle
Have you ever thought about having some tact?
I'm being dead serious.
Something about being tactful that focuses the mind and spirit in a way that nothing else does IMO.
It's unfortunate more creative minded people aren't into being socially graceful, but Lincoln had it right: Silence is not always tact, but it is tact that is golden, not silence.
I know you joke around about Paul F Thompkins, but you have to admit that there is an artist and a man with not only a clear vision of his own creative direction but a sense of timing and a clear idea of what is better left unsaid that I think comes from a man acquainted with knowing when to shut the fuck up.
I'm not talking about never posting again and "dropping the act" which is a complete waste of time and energy but actually having some perception of the human condition and finding acceptance for people beyond the meatheads at your gym.
If you're interested let me know, I'll point you in the direction of some materials I think can be life changing (http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Idiots-Guide-Difficult-Conversations/dp/1592576192/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2_s9_rk?ie=UTF8&s=books&s9r=8afd3cfe142113f90114d707a26b195d&itemPosition=2&qid=1226641654&sr=8-2).
Thanks for all the great posts and great laffs
-Regular Joe
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I would like to post an open letter to Wes -- no disrespect intended, but a little advice/suggestion:
Have you ever thought about writing a Best Show fan fic where Tom takes Trembling Eagle up on his offer of weight training?
I'm being dead serious.
Something about fan fic about Trembling Eagle giving Tom weight training that focuses the mind and spirit in a way that nothing else does IMO.
It's unfortunate more creative minded people aren't into fan fiction, but the Greeks had it right: BENE VALEATIS ATQUE MEA QUAMVIS MODESTA CONSILIA ET OPERA.
I know you joke around about Howard Hessman, but you have to admit that there is an artist and a man with not only a clear vision of his own creative direction but a kind of quiet strength and sureness of purpose I think comes from a man acquainted with writing about fan fic about a crazy guy telling a funny guy all about the iron arts.
I'm not talking about mindless non-fan fiction and "poetry" which is a complete waste of time and energy but hardcore fan fiction about Trembling Eagle and Tom in the gym.
If you're interested let me know, I'll point you in the direction of some .gifs I think can be life changing.
Thanks for all the great posts and great laffs
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Don't do it Tom! Look what happened to Joe Piscopo and Carrot Top! Lifting weights killed the funny!
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I sense hostility in you, you wouldn't have that if you lifted.
That's so true - most of the people I know who are crazy-serious into weightlifting are the most peaceful, reasonable, non-hostile people I know.
No, wait a minute, that's not what I meant to say - what's the exact opposite of "peaceful, reasonable, and non-hostile "?
I sense hostility in you, you wouldn't have that if you lifted.
Official Best Show Slogan for 2009? Yes?
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I suppose they might be even worse if they didn't lift.
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Don't do it Tom! Look what happened to Joe Piscopo and Carrot Top! Lifting weights killed the funny!
You can't pin Carrot Top's awfulness on the weights. He was never funny. The iron brotherhood has enough to atone for.
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I know that it's an anecdote rather than conclusive evidence, but I work out in the school athletic facility (OK, I walk.) The treadmills are near the lifting area. Having now used it consistently for over a year, I can say that, almost without fail, the big power lifter guys are, uhhhhhh, dicks.
I am thankful (hopeful) (doubtful) that Trembling Eagle is an exception to this rule.
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it's a slippery slope: one day you are doin' a few reps with some free weights while murmuring some bullshit koan...
the next thing you know, you got a case of the Ass Arms.
(http://www.t-nation.com/img/photos/211greg-5.jpg)
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Don't do it Tom! Look what happened to Joe Piscopo and Carrot Top! Lifting weights killed the funny!
Then again, Schwarzenegger had to bulk up to six-time Mr. Olympia status before he could deliver the lafftastic triumph of Twins and Junior.
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(http://i23.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/cc/b3/a3bc_1.JPG)
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I don't lift much, but I do shave my chest, oil up and grin like an idiot - and I'm thinking of finding a vacant-looking hot chick to curl her arm about my waist. So I figure I'm getting about 80% of the benefits.
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Iron Brotherhood sounds like the most white supremacist group I've ever heard of.
I lift weights three or more times a week and I'm almost as buff as black flag era Rollins (1st tour).
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More of buff-itude is in the genetic cards than probably most of the 'Iron Brotherhood' cares to admit. People's bodies just are the way they are, and you can take care of yourself and try to stay healthy but that's about it.
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Spoken like an ectomorph.
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Is "ectomorph" smart-people talk for "fat blob"?
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Those would be endomorphs.
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More of buff-itude is in the genetic cards than probably most of the 'Iron Brotherhood' cares to admit. People's bodies just are the way they are, and you can take care of yourself and try to stay healthy but that's about it.
this is true. IF TODAY IS OPPOSITE DAY!
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Spoken like an ectomorph.
I'm proud of my ectomorphicity!
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As you should be. Ectomorphs rule, mesomorphs drool.
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Ha, I guessed right!
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An unsolicited reply to Tom's query over at the Joe Paterno pic thread...
"Since you're so gung ho on talking about how I look and how she might look as an adult, when are we going to see the pictures of you?"
(http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo34/geeoff75/TremblingEagle-1.jpg)
No disrespect intended, of course.
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I was at the gym last night when a show called The Man Whose Body Exploded came on t.v. It was about a bodybuilder, Gregg Valentino, who lifted weights and juiced and bugged people to lift weights until his muscles exploded and now his body looks like a panty hose full of oranges. It's a cautionary tale I think and it reminded me of this thread.
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I was at the gym last night when a show called The Man Whose Body Exploded came on t.v. It was about a bodybuilder, Gregg Valentino, who lifted weights and juiced and bugged people to lift weights until his muscles exploded and now his body looks like a panty hose full of oranges. It's a cautionary tale I think and it reminded me of this thread.
That guy belongs to a supremely assholish sub-sub culture of the the subculture
funny how people outside of whatever group find an example of the the most nuttiest contingent to paint the whole group/
a small number of dumb assholes who don't want to do the work of training and eating
take a form of injectable vegetable oil and shoot it directly into their muscles, the body reacts to the foreign substance by swelling up the area like its fighting off an infection (infections commonly happen from this too) and these guys get the odd lumpy shape that you see in this idiot. I guess to the uninitiated it may by hard to tell this look from some who actually trains and even say takes actual anabolics...I think it's pretty clear.
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1395/768150548_a8e25cf066.jpg)
Gregg Valentino oil abuser
(http://img97.exs.cx/img97/8747/200212302210247le.jpg)
Paul Dillet actual hard lifter, gifted genetics, definitely anabolically enhanced
Even though Dillet is far more muscular than the average person, lifter or not, the symmetry of his build still matches that of what we know of a human physique.
That Valentino isn't dead yet from his stupidity is a testament to pure dumb luck and his slight fame (as a
self destructive oddity) is a testament to the uninformed's need to have their stereotypes reinforced.
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The normal-sized shoulders matched with the weirdly discrete biceps and triceps look particularly grotesque.
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I was at the gym last night when a show called The Man Whose Body Exploded came on t.v. It was about a bodybuilder, Gregg Valentino, who lifted weights and juiced and bugged people to lift weights until his muscles exploded and now his body looks like a panty hose full of oranges. It's a cautionary tale I think and it reminded me of this thread.
I guess to the uninitiated it may by hard to tell this look from some who actually trains and even say takes actual anabolics...I think it's pretty clear.
Right. Clearly the difference is that instead of looking like a horrifying freak from having weird huge baseball-sized lumps under your skin, you look like a horrifying freak from having your veins stick out one full inch from your skin.
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I was at the gym last night when a show called The Man Whose Body Exploded came on t.v. It was about a bodybuilder, Gregg Valentino, who lifted weights and juiced and bugged people to lift weights until his muscles exploded and now his body looks like a panty hose full of oranges. It's a cautionary tale I think and it reminded me of this thread.
I guess to the uninitiated it may by hard to tell this look from some who actually trains and even say takes actual anabolics...I think it's pretty clear.
Right. Clearly the difference is that instead of looking like a horrifying freak from having weird huge baseball-sized lumps under your skin, you look like a horrifying freak from having your veins stick out one full inch from your skin.
clearly.
lol i saw that argument coming a mile away
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As a creative guy and avowed gym rat, I'd like to weigh in here. I think it's unfair to dismiss out-of-hand performance enhancing drugs for artists. The inclusion of testosterone in a carefully designed hormone regimen can improve musicianship and overall well-being.
Renowned sports pharmacologist and awesome guitar player Reggie Parsons claims that adding test to his drugs regimen improved his guitar playing by four notes-per-second. Test has the additional benefit of packing on beef for drumming, and may even enhance areas of the brain associated with spatial cognition, improving time-keeping capacity.
In the other direction, adding estrogen to one's routine can improve upper-register vocals. Sven Jansen of Chain Mailmen reputedly used estrogen to hit those amazing high notes well into his 40s.
Personally, I'd never go near the stuff. I don't work out either - it needlessly stresses the body and ruins the joints.
Anyway, that's my two cents.
Duck
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Wow, that's 3 notes per second faster than I can play.
In my own realm apparently Erdos was something of a speed freak, he got a lot done anyway...
As a creative guy and avowed gym rat, I'd like to weigh in here. I think it's unfair to dismiss out-of-hand performance enhancing drugs for artists. The inclusion of testosterone in a carefully designed hormone regimen can improve musicianship and overall well-being.
Renowned sports pharmacologist and awesome guitar player Reggie Parsons claims that adding test to his drugs regimen improved his guitar playing by four notes-per-second. Test has the additional benefit of packing on beef for drumming, and may even enhance areas of the brain associated with spatial cognition, improving time-keeping capacity.
In the other direction, adding estrogen to one's routine can improve upper-register vocals. Sven Jansen of Chain Mailmen reputedly used estrogen to hit those amazing high notes well into his 40s.
Personally, I'd never go near the stuff. I don't work out either - it needlessly stresses the body and ruins the joints.
Anyway, that's my two cents.
Duck
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You must be one of those machines turns coffee into theorems, right? Actually, that was Paul Turan's quote - Erdos's assistant, if I'm not mistaken. Sounds like Erdos was turning more than just coffee into theorems. Imagine what he could've done with some testosterone!
Wow, that's 3 notes per second faster than I can play.
In my own realm apparently Erdos was something of a speed freak, he got a lot done anyway...
As a creative guy and avowed gym rat, I'd like to weigh in here. I think it's unfair to dismiss out-of-hand performance enhancing drugs for artists. The inclusion of testosterone in a carefully designed hormone regimen can improve musicianship and overall well-being.
Renowned sports pharmacologist and awesome guitar player Reggie Parsons claims that adding test to his drugs regimen improved his guitar playing by four notes-per-second. Test has the additional benefit of packing on beef for drumming, and may even enhance areas of the brain associated with spatial cognition, improving time-keeping capacity.
In the other direction, adding estrogen to one's routine can improve upper-register vocals. Sven Jansen of Chain Mailmen reputedly used estrogen to hit those amazing high notes well into his 40s.
Personally, I'd never go near the stuff. I don't work out either - it needlessly stresses the body and ruins the joints.
Anyway, that's my two cents.
Duck
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Originally, yeah, but now the coffee is getting converted to code mostly.
Eventually performance drug testing might happen in the hard sciences, but for now academia seems content to let people sacrifice their bodies for science.
You must be one of those machines turns coffee into theorems, right? Actually, that was Paul Turan's quote - Erdos's assistant, if I'm not mistaken. Sounds like Erdos was turning more than just coffee into theorems. Imagine what he could've done with some testosterone!
Wow, that's 3 notes per second faster than I can play.
In my own realm apparently Erdos was something of a speed freak, he got a lot done anyway...
As a creative guy and avowed gym rat, I'd like to weigh in here. I think it's unfair to dismiss out-of-hand performance enhancing drugs for artists. The inclusion of testosterone in a carefully designed hormone regimen can improve musicianship and overall well-being.
Renowned sports pharmacologist and awesome guitar player Reggie Parsons claims that adding test to his drugs regimen improved his guitar playing by four notes-per-second. Test has the additional benefit of packing on beef for drumming, and may even enhance areas of the brain associated with spatial cognition, improving time-keeping capacity.
In the other direction, adding estrogen to one's routine can improve upper-register vocals. Sven Jansen of Chain Mailmen reputedly used estrogen to hit those amazing high notes well into his 40s.
Personally, I'd never go near the stuff. I don't work out either - it needlessly stresses the body and ruins the joints.
Anyway, that's my two cents.
Duck
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I will reiterate my on-air claims here.
I could beat Trembling Eagle in a fist fight, no matter how tough he talks.
I could beat him in a footrace.
I could beat him at ANYTHING he chooses.
If I had four days to prepare I could bench more than him.
And until I receive a photo of this young man who puts every aspect of my existence me under the microscope, he is BANNED from calling in.
Tom.
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And until I receive a photo of this young man who puts every aspect of my existence me under the microscope, he is BANNED from calling in.
Tom.
See http://www.friendsoftom.com/forum/index.php/topic,51.msg86939.html#msg86939
Not sure if the photo is real or not ... you'd have to ask TE. Also, he says he "looks nothing like that anymore".
I also wonder if Eagle could give us any vague idea of what region of the world he's calling in from ... so much mystery!
I was curious to hear what TE had to say (if anything) to Zach G. Oh well. Maybe next time. Or six months from now. Or whatever.
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I picture him as a cross between Tom Noonan and John Cena.
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I also wonder if Eagle could give us any vague idea of what region of the world he's calling in from ... so much mystery!
I thought he mentioned Seattle at some point on the board.
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jeezus
u guys believe everything you see posted on the internet?
Since Tom is so determined to get a jpeg
here u go guys
*******
*edit*
I changed my mind
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jayzus
u guys believe everything you see posted on the internet?
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I'm so glad T.E. acquiesced and is no longer banned.
For real! T.E. FANS STAND UP!
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*******
*edit*
I changed my mind
I saw it, and I was right.
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*******
*edit*
I changed my mind
I saw it, and I was right.
Did you guess there was something "urban" about me?
I didn't want that to get out now I'll feel even more ostracized from the FOTs.
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*******
*edit*
I changed my mind
I saw it, and I was right.
Transgender?
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OK, I was wrong about the Cena part.
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*******
*edit*
I changed my mind
I saw it, and I was right.
I'm so glad T.E. acquiesced and is no longer banned.
For real! T.E. FANS STAND UP!
Damn! I missed it! But did Tom see it?
Anyway, I'll stand with you YellowChair. I'm a fan.
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He looked like a very nice young man, if a tad bepierced and -inked.
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He looked like a very nice young man, if a tad bepierced and -inked.
thats so sweet
wat a dear lady
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He looked like a very nice young man, if a tad bepierced and -inked.
The Iron Brotherhood made him do that.