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Title: Music Video Analysis Thread
Post by: Wes on May 05, 2009, 12:41:33 PM
There was some sentiment in last week's chat that the time was right for a thread dedicated the analysis of music videos. This is that thread.

Inspired in part by a previous thread in which we debated the nature of the apocalyptic event that wiped out humanity in the video for "Stayin' Alive" (http://www.friendsoftom.com/forum/index.php?topic=4332.15), we will begin with the video for 1982's "You Got Lucky" by Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFKJeZjjUJw[/youtube]

While I have a general topic and some discussion questions to get us started, please feel free to take the discussion of a particular video in any direction that you feel requires examination.

The key issue that I'd like us to tackle is the setting and plot of the video. Where - and when - are Petty and the Heartbreakers in this video? Is this a standard post-apocalyptic setting, the kind often seen in film and in the works of the Bee Gees, and are we thus witnessing the band scavenging a destroyed Earth? Or is there something else going on, and if so, what role does the group play?

General points:

Non-plot related notes:

OK, that's all for now. I have some theories about the video, but didn't want to make the discussion points too leading. Looking ahead, the next video up for discussion will be Bowie's "Let's Dance". I'll start that up after we've made some headway on this one. Feel free to suggest future videos for analysis, though I recommend that they lean towards the more plot-heavy side for now.
Title: Re: Music Video Analysis Thread
Post by: buffcoat on May 05, 2009, 05:28:53 PM
I can tell you with 100% certainty that the model for Petty's character in this video was James Coburn in Giù la testa (Duck, You Sucker/A Fistful of Dynamite).  Down to the facial expressions.

When the other Heartbreakers pull up in the motorcycle-sidecar combo, I honestly thought that the two bigger-haired ones were dressed as futuristic apes.  I was quite surprised when they turned out to just look like 80s musicians.  Maybe it was the goggles?

You are right to point out the color of the sky.  This is definitely someone's idea of what a radioactive sky would look like.  The result is probably as good a guess as any - kudos, Herr Direktor.

I think the structure that they enter was clearly designed for "Laser Floyd," or the significantly less popular "Laser Petty."  The director probably told Mr. P. the latter. 

That would make this some sort of small fairground or rural carnival that has slowly disintegrated.  I find it fairly unlikely that the rest of the carnival would have blown away, leaving this one structure relatively undamaged and fully functional.  Although slightly advanced solar power might explain why the electronics are working.

Petty's fey friend in the future-car is the most convincing character, although I doubt very much he'd be comfortable with what he's convincing as.


Title: Re: Music Video Analysis Thread
Post by: AaronC on May 05, 2009, 08:08:11 PM
I think the setting is Earth after an alien invasion.  The alien invasion has apparently wiped out Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers' memories.  Now the group are traveling space cowboys.  They wonder into some telecommunications center left over from the alien invasion. The television monitors show footage of the alien attack and a Tom Petty concert.  When the band sees the footage, their memory comes back.  They realize that they are a rock 'n' roll band.  Tom Petty knocks over the arcade cabinet because it is an alien invasion game (the marquee says Alien Invasion).  They take the guitar to fight the aliens by the power of their rock 'n' roll. 
Title: Re: Music Video Analysis Thread
Post by: Wes on May 05, 2009, 08:27:25 PM
Aaron, I gotta say, you pretty much nailed my interpretation right down the line, especially the connection between the TV footage of the spaceship attack on the city and Petty's reason for knocking over the Alien Invasion game!

Additionally, I think the vehicle in the beginning is an alien/human tech hybrid that may also be a time machine, and that the Heartbreakers have been going back in time, trying to get together what they need to stop the alien invasion, which explains why their clothing seems to range across various time periods. Note the way Petty regards the coins that come out of the slot machine: I think he sees this as useful currency for when they make their next jaunt back in time.

Unfortunately, I can't help but think that their efforts are doomed to fail. Perhaps others will see a flaw in this interpretation, but I think the Heartbreakers see that footage of them performing in pre-invasion era, and when Campbell picks up the guitar and suddenly plays the solo from "You Got Lucky", they hatch a plan to go back to when that performance happened to make their move on the aliens. Unfortunately, that footage of them playing is proof that they've already tried this plan in the past and failed because of closed-loop time theory. The "You Got Lucky" video was probably a huge influence on Lost.
Title: Re: Music Video Analysis Thread
Post by: yesno on May 05, 2009, 11:19:46 PM
I'm pretty sure the You Got Lucky video is part of the The Postman continuity.
Title: Re: Music Video Analysis Thread
Post by: Regular Joe on June 16, 2009, 05:10:43 PM
I would really love to revive this thread, but I am famously stupid about music and it's many videos. Will someone find a good one so we can analyze it? Thank you.

If you don't do it I'll probably end up bringing something to the table, but it won't be good.
Title: Re: Music Video Analysis Thread
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on June 16, 2009, 06:20:16 PM
unfortunately, im at work and im unable to throw my own suggestion in for this but i would enjoy seeing this thread revived as well. 
Title: Re: Music Video Analysis Thread
Post by: Wes on June 17, 2009, 09:26:53 AM
I was never able to find an embeddable version of the video for Let's Dance, which I felt would have made a fine closer to the Stayin' Alive/You Got Lucky/Let's Dance music video apocalypse trilogy.
Title: Who Was The Best Member Of Ram Jam?
Post by: Wes on October 13, 2009, 02:19:27 PM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMLnDuzgkjo[/youtube]

A question that requires little build-up: who was the best member of Ram Jam? Feel free to weigh with in any background information you may know and wish to share about the members of Ram Jam, but feel even more free to base your opinion almost eniterly on the video for "Black Betty" above.

So who ya got?

OK, two more follow-up questions: there appear to be only three ladies partying around that motorcycle in the back. Which members of Ram Jam are getting left out of the action? Also, if this video was the only thing you knew about Ram Jam, they would be pretty much the greatest band of all time, right?
Title: Re: Music Video Analysis Thread
Post by: fonpr on October 13, 2009, 02:28:33 PM
Old Leadbelly song: From youtube Someone I respect once told me that this song is about a child born of incest and rape.. which may explain why Huddie gives an off beat rapping to the back of his guitar

Re video: Twin guitar lines approaching 2 minute mark @ 2:12 I think the other guitarist is playing the hottest part.  Lead guy is just mugging and posing.

I vote for guitarist #2.
Title: Re: Music Video Analysis Thread
Post by: buffcoat on October 13, 2009, 03:07:14 PM
My vote is for the mysterious voice that says "Get It" at 1:39.  Can a video be haunted?

Yes it can:

http://www.spinnermusic.co.uk/2009/10/12/researchers-say-photo-of-jim-morrisons-ghost-is-real

Title: Re: Music Video Analysis Thread
Post by: Wes on October 13, 2009, 03:38:29 PM
Re video: Twin guitar lines approaching 2 minute mark @ 2:12 I think the other guitarist is playing the hottest part.  Lead guy is just mugging and posing.

I vote for guitarist #2.

Good catch, this is worth noting. I guess the question is, does the frontman deserve credit for putting on a show for the people, or does the other guy get extra points for knowing his place and not trying to steal any thunder? I think I side with you on this point, though I wouldn't vote for either of them as Best Member Of Ram Jam.

http://www.spinnermusic.co.uk/2009/10/12/researchers-say-photo-of-jim-morrisons-ghost-is-real

From the article: "Word quickly spread thanks to the Internet and the historian sent the photo in for further analysis, which concluded that the snapshot was indeed as bone chilling as it was first perceived."

I like that they were able to confirm and quantify the bone-chillingness.

Jim Morrison's ghost seems like a real asshole.
Title: Re: Music Video Analysis Thread
Post by: Sarah on October 13, 2009, 03:50:47 PM
That's a surprise.
Title: Re: Music Video Analysis Thread
Post by: JonFromMaplewood on October 13, 2009, 03:53:09 PM
...there appear to be only three ladies partying around that motorcycle in the back. Which members of Ram Jam are getting left out of the action?

From my knowledge of rock math, when it comes to action, ratios do not always break down to 1:1.  
Title: Re: Music Video Analysis Thread
Post by: fonpr on October 13, 2009, 04:04:12 PM
My vote is for the mysterious voice Goat that says "Get It" at 1:39.  Can a video be haunted?

Yes it can:

http://www.spinnermusic.co.uk/2009/10/12/researchers-say-photo-of-jim-morrisons-ghost-is-real


Co-rected
Title: Re: Music Video Analysis Thread
Post by: Keith Whitener on November 26, 2009, 05:17:29 PM
Analyze this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfgU4iQr8PU
Title: Re: Music Video Analysis Thread
Post by: buffcoat on November 26, 2009, 07:56:12 PM
I just want to see footage of him disarming that hijacker.
Title: Re: Music Video Analysis Thread
Post by: Keith Whitener on November 26, 2009, 10:46:33 PM
I just want to see footage of him disarming that hijacker.

Pls elaborate. Kthnx.
Title: Re: Music Video Analysis Thread
Post by: buffcoat on November 27, 2009, 12:44:20 AM
I just want to see footage of him disarming that hijacker.

Pls elaborate. Kthnx.

Flight disturbance

Ferry and his family experienced a big scare in December 2000, when his British Airways flight from London's Gatwick Airport to Kenya was disrupted in a hijack attempt. Paul Mukonyi, a 27-year old student from Kenya, burst into the cockpit of the Boeing 747 flying to Nairobi. As three crew fought to restrain Mukonyi, the jet plunged downward about 10,000 feet (3,000 m). The pilots recovered the aircraft and all passengers landed safely. During the incident Ferry famously remained calm and unflappable, even taking the time to challenge his son, Otis Ferry, about his bad language while assisting to restrain Mukonyi.
Title: Re: Music Video Analysis Thread
Post by: Chris L on November 27, 2009, 02:34:25 AM
I just want to see footage of him disarming that hijacker.

Pls elaborate. Kthnx.

Flight disturbance

Ferry and his family experienced a big scare in December 2000, when his British Airways flight from London's Gatwick Airport to Kenya was disrupted in a hijack attempt. Paul Mukonyi, a 27-year old student from Kenya, burst into the cockpit of the Boeing 747 flying to Nairobi. As three crew fought to restrain Mukonyi, the jet plunged downward about 10,000 feet (3,000 m). The pilots recovered the aircraft and all passengers landed safely. During the incident Ferry famously remained calm and unflappable, even taking the time to challenge his son, Otis Ferry, about his bad language while assisting to restrain Mukonyi.

Looks like his old world charm was finally quite enough.

*puts on David Caruso shades* YYAAAAA-OOOOWWWW
Title: Re: Music Video Analysis Thread
Post by: Chris L on November 27, 2009, 02:40:43 AM
Analyze this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfgU4iQr8PU

The parts where he's in the theater seats seem to predict R. Kelly's Trapped in the Closet commentary track.
Title: Re: Music Video Analysis Thread
Post by: SJK on November 27, 2009, 02:47:50 AM
All I could think of while watching that video is The Mighty Boosh...[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GHm8gUdR2Y[/youtube]
Ferry makes an actual(not actual) appearance via Barrett later in this episode....
Title: Re: Music Video Analysis Thread
Post by: Wes on November 27, 2009, 10:37:20 AM
Analyze this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfgU4iQr8PU

From the 35 second mark to the 40 second mark, you can see the moments where Ferry fully realizes the beloved "Stuart" character he would make famous on Mad TV.
Title: Re: Music Video Analysis Thread
Post by: Kim Kelly on November 27, 2009, 11:09:12 AM
I thought this was going to be about those conspiracy theorists who think Beyoncé and Lady GaGa (http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=1676) are Illuminati stooges. I love reading those things!
Title: Re: Music Video Analysis Thread
Post by: Bryan on November 30, 2009, 03:39:01 PM
Anyone care to take a crack at this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctuqceo390o

First of all: is that Father Guido Sarducci? Or is it Mickey Thomas playing both roles of confessor/priest (and he just happens to look like Father Guido Sarducci)

And that's just the first of MANY questions raised by this video.