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FOT Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: Trembling Eagle on May 13, 2009, 04:39:06 PM
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I am, the show has kinda jumped the shark but I'm too far in to get off board now.
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I am, the show has kinda jumped the shark but I'm too far in to get off board now.
I am enjoying the show more than I ever have. Me and afk will be glued to the set.
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I'm actually enjoying the direction the show has taken this season. I like the show but I've found it hugely flawed right from the beginning, so maybe the changes this season haven't been so hard for me to swallow. It seems like they've devoted a lot less time to relationshippy matters this year, which is probably why I'd called season five my favorite so far.
So, yeah, I'm looking forward to tonight.
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I am, the show has kinda jumped the shark but I'm too far in to get off board now.
I am enjoying the show more than I ever have. Me and afk will be glued to the set.
What do you think of the portrayal of Sawyer?
Do you think there is a bias against showing depictions of strong male southern characters on TV?
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definitely excited. i have a big old bottle of chimay grande (grand? i ain't checking) reserve that is going to watch it with me.
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The past couple and a half seasons have won me over. Very excited to see what goes down tonight.
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I think this season has been the best yet. It's always helpful when you have a hint of an idea of what's happening.
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"It's nice talking to you, Jacob"
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Well, I didn't see an entirely new framework for all the previous seasons to nestle in coming, but it certainly expands the possibilities for the final season. Seth, Horus, Osiris anyone?
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I'm going to be pretty upset if this turns up being one big Biblical reference but that's what it seems to be.
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fucking writers.
good job by the actors though
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fucking writers.
good job by the actors though
As usual, I completely disagree. The writing was good and plenty of the acting was cheesy. And, check out this article, it's neat:
http://screenrant.com/lost-season-5-finale-review-discussion-rob-8424/
(Gilly, you won't like it)
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Unfortunately, that makes perfect sense. I've said for the last two seasons that there is no way that they are just telling a modern day Bible story... that's too easy and everybody sees it coming. It kind of looks like I was wrong and that's really disappointing.
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Yeah but there's definitely some real science there. The electromagnetic whats-a-ma-call-it.
But, the island could also be Eden... I doubt it's that cut and dry.
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Juliet's apparent death, like Faraday's, actually made me physically ill. I had really grown to love both of them.
And it's kind of cool seeing Ben go from supposedly all-powerful leader to a sobbing, jealous, pathetic little pawn.
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I know that people are of very different minds on this show, but I don't think it's hyperbole to say that it's one of the most amazingly well-plotted shows ever. It's really like an epic novel more than a string of episodes. And the finale fills me with hope that there is at least one more unforeseen level of strangeness within which all of the stuff to date will also make sense.
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I guess I am alone in my disappointment with the finale this year.
Juliet was such a strong character in Season 3. Mysterious. Possibly good. Possibly evil. Possibly both. I vivdly remember when she first entered the Lostie's camp and there was a close-up of her pulling a knot tighter and tighter. It implied that she was possibly hatching a dastardly scheme. Nothing ever came of that. And she had the ability to heal/deliver babies. And there was the Ben/Juliet relationship that was so fascinating. Where did all of this go? By the end, she was just an indecisive love interest.
I was also disappointed that "the incident" turned out to be exactly what we expected.
Also, Jacob was a let-down. We finally meet him, and he is a D-List actor who we have never seen before this episode (Am I wrong on that? I am willing to be - and actually hope to be - corrected).
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I think Jacob's actor did the job well. I've heard people mention that he looks nothing like his appearance in the cabin. I think that was supposed to be Jacob's enemy (seen at the beginning of "The Incident"). They look almost exactly alike.
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For obvious reasons, people have started to refer to him as Esau. And I agree; I think he was somehow imprisoned in that shack, the imprisonment somehow tied to the circle of ash, and that he fooled Ben and John into thinking he was Jacob, as a part of the grand scheme.
I'm making it all up, but for now, it works for me.
I think Jacob's actor did the job well. I've heard people mention that he looks nothing like his appearance in the cabin. I think that was supposed to be Jacob's enemy (seen at the beginning of "The Incident"). They look almost exactly alike.
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I heard a neat theory earlier about how the two are gods of some sort, conducting an experiment/game to decide whether humanity is worth saving. Jacob believes they are good by nature, and handpicked the losties to prove that. Where the "loopholes" and the statue come in, I have no clue.
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that's almost as bad as "it was all a dream"
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I guess I am alone in my disappointment with the finale this year.
Juliet was such a strong character in Season 3. Mysterious. Possibly good. Possibly evil. Possibly both. I vivdly remember when she first entered the Lostie's camp and there was a close-up of her pulling a knot tighter and tighter. It implied that she was possibly hatching a dastardly scheme. Nothing ever came of that. And she had the ability to heal/deliver babies. And there was the Ben/Juliet relationship that was so fascinating. Where did all of this go? By the end, she was just an indecisive love interest.
I was also disappointed that "the incident" turned out to be exactly what we expected.
Also, Jacob was a let-down. We finally meet him, and he is a D-List actor who we have never seen before this episode (Am I wrong on that? I am willing to be - and actually hope to be - corrected).
No, I was let down as well. The whole damn thing is a retcon
now all of a sudden it's the ultimate battle between good and evil, lame guys. It's the Matrix 2 all of a sudden.
Casting is amazing though I want to see Elizabeth Mitchell in whatever she does next.
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If this really is a modern day Biblical story, I would think that the survivors (of the crash and the island) are the 10 lost tribes of Israel (which would give a lot of meaning to the show's title) and I think in the final season we'll meet another group of people led by a character named Judah.
I really hope I'm wrong on that, because it seems too obvious and I think the last season would be a letdown. But, everything seems to be in place for that to happen. Desmond seems to be the perfect Joseph, Aaron is probably the descendant of Jacob, etc, etc... There has to be a twist, right?
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If this really is a modern day Biblical story, I would think that the survivors (of the crash and the island) are the 10 lost tribes of Israel (which would give a lot of meaning to the show's title) and I think in the final season we'll meet another group of people led by a character named Judah.
I really hope I'm wrong on that, because it seems too obvious and I think the last season would be a letdown. But, everything seems to be in place for that to happen. Desmond seems to be the perfect Joseph, Aaron is probably the descendant of Jacob, etc, etc... There has to be a twist, right?
jesus christo I'm groaning so hard at your reply because that seems exactly the cornball route they are gonna go
bah.
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I was pretty disappointed in the finale, too. I actually think the last two seasons have been big improvements for the show. The first season was great, but the second and third had all the signs of them flailing around trying to figure out what they were doing, with characters running in circles and plot points sometimes contradicting themselves in the same episode (the second season finale, where Locke tells Desmond that the button does nothing, Desmond is all "Oh, I hadn't thought of that, I guess you could be right, brutha!" and then Desmond remembers 15 minutes later "Oh, wait, there was that time I didn't push the button and a giant magnetic explosion almost killed me and destroyed the world. Slipped me mind!")
But TE's right, the casting has been a huge part of turning it around. They struggled with some additions in 2 and 3, but all of the people who showed up in season 4 on - except 2007 Hawking - have been great. I loved everyone they brought in from the freighter, especially Miles and Lapidus. Jeff Fahey is bringing it whenever they put him on camera.
Still, the finale was a lot of what they do that bugs me. Characters keep making their trademark changes of heart - Faraday just revised his time travel theory because the season was ending, Juliet turns into an emotional loser in the finale as Jon says above. And all the black/white foreshadowing stuff aside, saving Jacob's evil other until the fifth season finale and not even naming him until the final season feels kind of cheap.
But Locke's corpse tumbling out of that box was a pretty terrific "!!!" moment, and I do want to go back now and watch some of the episodes from this season to see how much they were tipping their hands about Black Lodge Locke after they get back to the island. They've given Terry O'Quinn some rough patches to work through with Locke, but the guy is consistently great.
And really, I'll be happy next season if Sayid survives the gutshot and atomic bomb, because I don't believe either is enough to kill him, and he spends next season killing Jacob, Evil Jacob, Ben, Widmore, Faraday's mother and the magic smoke monster by himself.
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And really, I'll be happy next season if Sayid survives the gutshot and atomic bomb, because I don't believe either is enough to kill him, and he spends next season killing Jacob, Evil Jacob, Ben, Widmore, Faraday's mother and the magic smoke monster by himself with his bare hands.
I fix.
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But Locke's corpse tumbling out of that box was a pretty terrific "!!!" moment
It really was. It was almost good enough to forgive my annoyance with the whole Kiss Me Deadly way of opening the box without allowing the viewer to see its contents. At least it didn't glow. Or, as in previous Lost fashion, at least they didn't show you people getting all "Oooh!" when they see what's in the box and then make you wait 25 episodes to actually find out what it is.
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But Locke's corpse tumbling out of that box was a pretty terrific "!!!" moment
It really was. It was almost good enough to forgive my annoyance with the whole Kiss Me Deadly way of opening the box without allowing the viewer to see its contents. At least it didn't glow. Or, as in previous Lost fashion, at least they didn't show you people getting all "Oooh!" when they see what's in the box and then make you wait 25 episodes to actually find out what it is.
I don't know ppl I saw it coming a mile away. We knew there would be a coffin of some sort in the cargo hold.
Then they beat you over the head with dead is dead and Scooby Doo-esque Locke is never around the same time as Smokey.
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I actually thought it was a frozen Charles Widmore inside it, or somehow the Ajira guys ended up with the hydrogen bomb that Jack had.
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I had considered it being Widmore, too. It would have been great if it had been frozen Widmore, sneaking himself back onto the island as a corpse, and as soon as they dumped his body out of the crate, he would not only come back to life but also instantly grow back his totally excellent 1977 Charles Widmore Hair.
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'77 Widmore kind of reminded me of Richard Wright.
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I heard a neat theory earlier about how the two are gods of some sort, conducting an experiment/game to decide whether humanity is worth saving.
Fingers crossed for a Trading Places-esque conclusion to S6!
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I heard a neat theory earlier about how the two are gods of some sort, conducting an experiment/game to decide whether humanity is worth saving.
Fingers crossed for a Trading Places-esque conclusion to S6!
*Awkward polite laugh*
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Thinking about it, if the corpse reveal+"dead is dead" truly means the end of actual-Locke, his arc has got to be one of the bleakest I can remember. Death by Ben's wringing the last bit of usefulness out of him; as if suicide in the wake of utter rejection by all of his peers wasn't bad enough. Eep.
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Like Richard said, he was never "special"
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Like Richard said, he was never "special"
Special enough to be Deus Ex Machina'd after getting shot. Though I'd chock that up to bad writing.
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He survived the shot because he's been protected by the island his entire life, same as when he survived his falls (from the building and when he fell into the mass grave) and when his paralysis was cured.
The things that he thinks make him "special" have happened to other people too, though.
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Someone who watched this show, will you please give me a brief, spoiler-full synopsis of the whole thing from beginning to end, with explanations, so I can decide if I need to go all the way back to the middle of the 3rd season to pick up where I left off. Thanks, bro.
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The rest of season three can definitely be skipped, just know that the losties defeated the others, captured Ben, and sent for a rescue boat.
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I was watching the X-Files recently and noticed that Chris Carter actually wrote a lot of episodes throughout the series' run. Does anybody know how involved JJ Abrams is with the show? It looks like he wrote and directed the pilot and wrote one or two other episodes, but that's it. Do many TV dramas not have the same show runner for the entire run?
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I don't know, I think the second half of season three was the good half-- pretty much everything from the Desmond-centric episode forward was pretty solid. Even though the "rattlesnake in the mailbox" at the end of season three has probably already been spoiled for anyone who's mildly interested, it was still the biggest "holy shit" moment for me in the show's run so far.
I thought this season was pretty good, although the finale was a little lackluster. It'll definitely be interesting to see what they do next season, though.
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will you please give me a brief, spoiler-full synopsis of the whole thing from beginning to end.Thanks, bro.
On the island there is a four-toed statue of Taweret an Egyptian deity of protection for those who are pregnant. Taweret represents things above the horizon line Goodness and Order etc:
Taweret/jungle vegetation/light/life/Jacob
Under the island is a black smoke monster representing Apep (Taweret's opposite). Also from Egyptian mythology Apep represents things below the horizon line. Evil and chaos, etc:
Apep/the earth below/darkness/death/Esau
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As we pick up this story in 2004, life on the island, typically a black/white balance, has been thrown out of kilter for some time. The Dharma Initiative's excursions downward via the Hatch/Swan have released energy from below. Jacob has been weakened. The protector statue is broken and pregnant women are unable to come to term. Esau is able to project via Smokey and can inhabit the dead. Jacob can affect life (Richard doesn't age, Jacob visits Jack, Kate et al and affects their lives).
Esau plays his hand and ostensibly kills Jacob.
In between there are a bunch of soapy goings-on, a fair amount of krazy time travel, and some insanely dopey coincidences. Most of which are pretty fun depending on your tolerance for such things.
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I was watching the X-Files recently and noticed that Chris Carter actually wrote a lot of episodes throughout the series' run. Does anybody know how involved JJ Abrams is with the show? It looks like he wrote and directed the pilot and wrote one or two other episodes, but that's it. Do many TV dramas not have the same show runner for the entire run?
My understanding is that JJ was involved in the pilot and selling the show to the network. Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse are the showrunners, and are usually the guys pressed for answers & explanations.
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I feel like I need to fill in a few key details that Trotskie left out:
-This one time, Sayid threw a guy into a dishwasher full of knives, impaling and killing him.
-Another time, this column of smoke got so pissed at some seven foot tall former warlord guy that it turned into a giant fist and beat him to death.
-The Lawnmower Man shows up.
-Jack grew a beard.
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will you please give me a brief, spoiler-full synopsis of the whole thing from beginning to end.Thanks, bro.
On the island there is a four-toed statue of Taweret an Egyptian deity of protection for those who are pregnant. Taweret represents things above the horizon line Goodness and Order etc:
Taweret/jungle vegetation/light/life/Jacob
Under the island is a black smoke monster representing Apep (Taweret's opposite). Also from Egyptian mythology Apep represents things below the horizon line. Evil and chaos, etc:
Apep/the earth below/darkness/death/Esau
* * *
As we pick up this story in 2004, life on the island, typically a black/white balance, has been thrown out of kilter for some time. The Dharma Initiative's excursions downward via the Hatch/Swan have released energy from below. Jacob has been weakened. The protector statue is broken and pregnant women are unable to come to term. Esau is able to project via Smokey and can inhabit the dead. Jacob can affect life (Richard doesn't age, Jacob visits Jack, Kate et al and affects their lives).
Esau plays his hand and ostensibly kills Jacob.
In between there are a bunch of soapy goings-on, a fair amount of krazy time travel, and some insanely dopey coincidences. Most of which are pretty fun depending on your tolerance for such things.
I feel like I need to fill in a few key details that Trotskie left out:
-This one time, Sayid threw a guy into a dishwasher full of knives, impaling and killing him.
-Another time, this column of smoke got so pissed at some seven foot tall former warlord guy that it turned into a giant fist and beat him to death.
-The Lawnmower Man shows up.
-Jack grew a beard.
Hey, looks like I have a show to catch up on. Good job you guys, you sold me! I almost never even need to watch it now, your summation was so divine.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLbXpr8nZvc&feature=channel_page[/youtube]
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The wife and I just finished the rewatch. I love and hate this show at the same time.