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FOT Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: yesno on August 19, 2009, 10:08:17 PM
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I don't know what they are.
I'm expecting that lots of the buzzed-about bands won't make the cut--contemporary critical opinion is nearly always laughable years later, and I seriously doubt that Wilco or The Strokes or the Arctic Monkeys or Clap Your Hands Say Yeah are among the best bands of the past 10 or so years. But there are a lot of bloggers and so on publicly committed to certain opinions so I think that reevaluation will be harder than normal.
BUT, given the number of albums released in recent years, the 2000s will in retrospect seem like a very good time for music.
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Umm, twitter.com/davefromknoxvil
Choose "favorites"
I have completed 200 - 183; will take 182 days to do the other 182.
There will be controversy.
Here's an example
DaveFromKnoxvil#HW 191) Caribou - Andorra; Preview at http://tinyurl.com/nf65cw. Fragile vocals drift in an out of psychedelic soundscapes; dreamlike.
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Clicking on favorites does nothing. Twitter is broken as usual.
Are you doing one of your famous numerical analyses or is it your personal opinion?
I'd rather your personal opinion as I think a lot of critics have lost their minds. Though a summation of what the great and good think is valuable, too. A better Pazz & Jop.
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I give you Shovel's top album from each decade thus far:
Radiohead - Kid A
The Microphones - The Glow pt 2
Interpol - Turn on the Bright Lights
The Rapture - Echoes
Arcade Fire - Funeral
Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
The Knife - Silent Shout
Panda Bear - Person Pitch
Fleet Foxes - Fleet Foxes
It doesn't get more timeless than that.
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It's a mix of me and them. My experience is too limited to try to do it based only on my opinions; I would never, for instance, have gotten Jill Scott in there.
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I give you Shovel's top album from each decade thus far:
Radiohead - Kid A
The Microphones - The Glow pt 2
Interpol - Turn on the Bright Lights
The Rapture - Echoes
Arcade Fire - Funeral
Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
The Knife - Silent Shout
Panda Bear - Person Pitch
Fleet Foxes - Fleet Foxes
It doesn't get more timeless than that.
See, it's my expectation that albums like these are going to see a massive resurgence as people remember they went on the record as saying that they were good.
Meanwhile, I've often said that certain indie flavors of the month were shit only to change my mind. Death Cab for Cutie turn out to be good, for instance, and not just for the Best Show connection. Although partly because of that.
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check out my thread on the subject. the debate is getting lively.
http://www.friendsoftom.com/forum/index.php/topic,5516.0.html
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Don't judge too soon - Ace Frehley is set to drop a new album at any minute!
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I don't know what they are.
Pitchfork will tell you on Sept. 28.
I've been looking at their top 500 songs this week and there's a whole lot of songs that I didn't even remember came out this decade. It was nice to see Ted Leo get 2 songs on so far.
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I don't know what they are.
Pitchfork will tell you on Sept. 28.
I've been looking at their top 500 songs this week and there's a whole lot of songs that I didn't even remember came out this decade. It was nice to see Ted Leo get 2 songs on so far.
Is it just me, or does it seem like a lot of the tracks are the openers to their respective albums? Something about that doesn't sit right with me. Not making fun of, or calling out, the 'Fork, but it just seems weird.
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I give you Shovel's top album from each decade thus far:
Radiohead - Kid A
The Microphones - The Glow pt 2
Interpol - Turn on the Bright Lights
The Rapture - Echoes
Arcade Fire - Funeral
Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
The Knife - Silent Shout
Panda Bear - Person Pitch
Fleet Foxes - Fleet Foxes
It doesn't get more timeless than that.
See, it's my expectation that albums like these are going to see a massive resurgence as people remember they went on the record as saying that they were good.
Meanwhile, I've often said that certain indie flavors of the month were shit only to change my mind. Death Cab for Cutie turn out to be good, for instance, and not just for the Best Show connection. Although partly because of that.
I definitely see myself still listening to Radiohead, Arcade Fire, Sufjan Stevens, and Fleet Foxes for a long time. Possibly Animal Collective and Panda Bear, but I'm not as positive about that.
You used to think Death Cab was shit?
One band that definitely didn't live up to the hype (for me; and in a big way) is Grizzly Bear. It's fine and all, but I would never be like "You know what I need to hear? Put on Grizzly Bear!" And I've talked about this with two of the people whose musical tastes I most trust, and they feel the same way. Who are the people that are loving this band so much?
I'll have to think about what albums I'd put up there, though.
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You mean to tell me you don't think kids in 70 years will be talking in hushed tones about Japandroids?
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One band that definitely didn't live up to the hype (for me; and in a big way) is Grizzly Bear. It's fine and all, but I would never be like "You know what I need to hear? Put on Grizzly Bear!" And I've talked about this with two of the people whose musical tastes I most trust, and they feel the same way. Who are the people that are loving this band so much?
I like Grizzly Bear, but they're not a band I'd really bother to defend since I can see why people wouldn't care for them. It's the same way I feel about Fleet Foxes or Bon Iver, I can listen to it and it isn't bad, just not something I'd rush out to listen to.
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When it comes to Grizzly Bear, I can get no farther than the "hits." The deep cuts hold nothing for me. "Two Weeks." "The Knife." Great songs. Great videos.
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You mean to tell me you don't think kids in 70 years will be talking in hushed tones about Japandroids?
I'm afraid that Japandroids might be overlooked in the Japanther commemoration festivities.
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When it comes to Grizzly Bear, I can get no farther than the "hits." The deep cuts hold nothing for me. "Two Weeks." "The Knife." Great songs. Great videos.
Everybody's loving these guys right now. It's clearly their year or something. I haven't been able to get into them - maybe I should try these "hits" you speak of over on the crazy last.fm.
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I don't know what they are.
Pitchfork will tell you on Sept. 28.
I've been looking at their top 500 songs this week and there's a whole lot of songs that I didn't even remember came out this decade. It was nice to see Ted Leo get 2 songs on so far.
Is it just me, or does it seem like a lot of the tracks are the openers to their respective albums? Something about that doesn't sit right with me. Not making fun of, or calling out, the 'Fork, but it just seems weird.
I think it's a result of managers and bands pushing the idea that "the first track's got to grab them." It's still a pretty dominant train of thought in a market where thousands of discs are released a year; unless you're well-known, you'll have lots of people start a CD with a down track, listen to 1 minute of it, and throw it in the discard pile.
Because of, uhhh, issues, I try to sequence the tracks to a new CD in the following way when I first listen to it; the track or tracks closest to the median length, then sequentially through all of the tracks in the order of proximity to the median. There's a tiebreaker procedure, if you're interested.
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I don't know what they are.
Pitchfork will tell you on Sept. 28.
I've been looking at their top 500 songs this week and there's a whole lot of songs that I didn't even remember came out this decade. It was nice to see Ted Leo get 2 songs on so far.
Is it just me, or does it seem like a lot of the tracks are the openers to their respective albums? Something about that doesn't sit right with me. Not making fun of, or calling out, the 'Fork, but it just seems weird.
I noticed that too, especially when Ghostface Killah's "Nutmeg" made #60. Incredible song, but I didn't think it had the stature of "Cherchez La Ghost," or even "Apollo Kids."
Edit: Same goes for "Shakey Dog" vs. "The Champ."
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What do you guys think will make the top 20 songs?
My faves have already shown up. It's hard to think what the TWENTY BEST SONGS OF THE DECADE might be.
'All my friends' I hope
Something else from Radiohead?
'The World is in the Turlet'
Hey Ya
'Rehab'.
Thoughts?
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What do you guys think will make the top 20 songs?
My faves have already shown up. It's hard to think what the TWENTY BEST SONGS OF THE DECADE might be.
'All my friends' I hope
Something else from Radiohead?
'The World is in the Turlet'
Hey Ya
'Rehab'.
Thoughts?
I was thinking "Hey Ya" would probably end up as a top 5 song. "B.O.B." was their #1 for 2000-2004. I also wouldn't be surprised to see "Paper Planes" pretty high. Seems like there will be another Kayne song in there also ("Gold Digger"?) and maybe Jay-Z ("Dirt off Your Shoulder"?). I also think Cash's "Hurt" cover will show up, probably top 10. Other songs that were high on that last that I don't think I've seen listed yet are "Get Ur Freak On", "Crazy in Love", "Maps", and "House of Jealous Lovers".
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One band that definitely didn't live up to the hype (for me; and in a big way) is Grizzly Bear. It's fine and all, but I would never be like "You know what I need to hear? Put on Grizzly Bear!" And I've talked about this with two of the people whose musical tastes I most trust, and they feel the same way. Who are the people that are loving this band so much?
I like Grizzly Bear, but they're not a band I'd really bother to defend since I can see why people wouldn't care for them. It's the same way I feel about Fleet Foxes or Bon Iver, I can listen to it and it isn't bad, just not something I'd rush out to listen to.
Hm. As I said, I don't particularly like Grizzly Bear, but I LOVE both Fleet Foxes and Bon Iver. More so Bon Iver.
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Because of, uhhh, issues, I try to sequence the tracks to a new CD in the following way when I first listen to it; the track or tracks closest to the median length, then sequentially through all of the tracks in the order of proximity to the median. There's a tiebreaker procedure, if you're interested.
Okay ... what do you do? And how come?
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The problem is that I don't think you can be objective about a release until a lot of time has passed. There are a lot of things that sound good at the moment but end up not lasting. There's the usual issue of being unable to separate the music from the hype (which causes unfair rejection as well as uncritical acceptance), but also some things just sound fresh and new and original at first but end up being kind of conventional with hindsight.
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What do you guys think will make the top 20 songs?
My faves have already shown up. It's hard to think what the TWENTY BEST SONGS OF THE DECADE might be.
'All my friends' I hope
Something else from Radiohead?
'The World is in the Turlet'
Hey Ya
'Rehab'.
Thoughts?
These are not songs I love, but I think likely candidates are Gnarls Barkley, Crazy; Hey Ya; Rehab; maybe Toxic as the obligatory ironic pick; House of Jealous Lovers; maybe Gorillaz, Clint Eastwood?
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Because of, uhhh, issues, I try to sequence the tracks to a new CD in the following way when I first listen to it; the track or tracks closest to the median length, then sequentially through all of the tracks in the order of proximity to the median. There's a tiebreaker procedure, if you're interested.
Okay ... what do you do? And how come?
The shorter of the two is always first
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What do you guys think will make the top 20 songs?
My faves have already shown up. It's hard to think what the TWENTY BEST SONGS OF THE DECADE might be.
'All my friends' I hope
Something else from Radiohead?
'The World is in the Turlet'
Hey Ya
'Rehab'.
Thoughts?
I was thinking "Hey Ya" would probably end up as a top 5 song. "B.O.B." was their #1 for 2000-2004. I also wouldn't be surprised to see "Paper Planes" pretty high. Seems like there will be another Kayne song in there also ("Gold Digger"?) and maybe Jay-Z ("Dirt off Your Shoulder"?). I also think Cash's "Hurt" cover will show up, probably top 10. Other songs that were high on that last that I don't think I've seen listed yet are "Get Ur Freak On", "Crazy in Love", "Maps", and "House of Jealous Lovers".
I don't think "Rehab" made it onto the 2007 list, while "Hurt" was only around #40 or so in 2003. (Then again, with staff turnover, that doesn't necessarily mean anything.)
LCD Soundsystem might place three songs in the top 20. "Losing My Edge" and "Yeah" both did well in the 00-04 poll and haven't shown up yet.
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What do you guys think will make the top 20 songs?
My faves have already shown up. It's hard to think what the TWENTY BEST SONGS OF THE DECADE might be.
'All my friends' I hope
Something else from Radiohead?
'The World is in the Turlet'
Hey Ya
'Rehab'.
Thoughts?
These are not songs I love, but I think likely candidates are Gnarls Barkley, Crazy; Hey Ya; Rehab; maybe Toxic as the obligatory ironic pick; House of Jealous Lovers; maybe Gorillaz, Clint Eastwood?
Wasn't "Toxic" somewhere in the 100s? I was kinda surprised it wasn't higher. I forgot about "Crazy".
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The problem is that I don't think you can be objective about a release until a lot of time has passed. There are a lot of things that sound good at the moment but end up not lasting. There's the usual issue of being unable to separate the music from the hype (which causes unfair rejection as well as uncritical acceptance), but also some things just sound fresh and new and original at first but end up being kind of conventional with hindsight.
Yeah, I couldn't get enough of that first Interpol album but I haven't had an urge to listen to it in 4-5 years. The flipside of that would be an album like "Alligator" by The National that was a slow-grower that I now love.
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What do you guys think will make the top 20 songs?
My faves have already shown up. It's hard to think what the TWENTY BEST SONGS OF THE DECADE might be.
'All my friends' I hope
Something else from Radiohead?
'The World is in the Turlet'
Hey Ya
'Rehab'.
Thoughts?
These are not songs I love, but I think likely candidates are Gnarls Barkley, Crazy; Hey Ya; Rehab; maybe Toxic as the obligatory ironic pick; House of Jealous Lovers; maybe Gorillaz, Clint Eastwood?
Wasn't "Toxic" somewhere in the 100s? I was kinda surprised it wasn't higher. I forgot about "Crazy".
#1: The Rolling Stones, "Sweet Neo Con"
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I don't know what they are.
Pitchfork will tell you on Sept. 28.
I've been looking at their top 500 songs this week and there's a whole lot of songs that I didn't even remember came out this decade. It was nice to see Ted Leo get 2 songs on so far.
Is it just me, or does it seem like a lot of the tracks are the openers to their respective albums? Something about that doesn't sit right with me. Not making fun of, or calling out, the 'Fork, but it just seems weird.
I noticed that too, especially when Ghostface Killah's "Nutmeg" made #60. Incredible song, but I didn't think it had the stature of "Cherchez La Ghost," or even "Apollo Kids."
Edit: Same goes for "Shakey Dog" vs. "The Champ."
I could be biased because I wrote the "Nutmeg" blurb but since it's the first (non-skit) track on the album and since it was just such a huge opening statement it kind of stands as one of those first-impression tracks that really sticks with you.
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Crazy seems a Top 20 lock.
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I don't know what they are.
Pitchfork will tell you on Sept. 28.
I've been looking at their top 500 songs this week and there's a whole lot of songs that I didn't even remember came out this decade. It was nice to see Ted Leo get 2 songs on so far.
Is it just me, or does it seem like a lot of the tracks are the openers to their respective albums? Something about that doesn't sit right with me. Not making fun of, or calling out, the 'Fork, but it just seems weird.
I noticed that too, especially when Ghostface Killah's "Nutmeg" made #60. Incredible song, but I didn't think it had the stature of "Cherchez La Ghost," or even "Apollo Kids."
Edit: Same goes for "Shakey Dog" vs. "The Champ."
I could be biased because I wrote the "Nutmeg" blurb but since it's the first (non-skit) track on the album and since it was just such a huge opening statement it kind of stands as one of those first-impression tracks that really sticks with you.
Nate, do you get any say in the songs you write blurbs for, or are they just assigned to you?
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I don't know what they are.
Pitchfork will tell you on Sept. 28.
I've been looking at their top 500 songs this week and there's a whole lot of songs that I didn't even remember came out this decade. It was nice to see Ted Leo get 2 songs on so far.
Is it just me, or does it seem like a lot of the tracks are the openers to their respective albums? Something about that doesn't sit right with me. Not making fun of, or calling out, the 'Fork, but it just seems weird.
I noticed that too, especially when Ghostface Killah's "Nutmeg" made #60. Incredible song, but I didn't think it had the stature of "Cherchez La Ghost," or even "Apollo Kids."
Edit: Same goes for "Shakey Dog" vs. "The Champ."
I could be biased because I wrote the "Nutmeg" blurb but since it's the first (non-skit) track on the album and since it was just such a huge opening statement it kind of stands as one of those first-impression tracks that really sticks with you.
Nate, do you get any say in the songs you write blurbs for, or are they just assigned to you?
I'm not sure how much of the inner workings I can reveal, but it was a democratic process that all contributing writers had a say in. Once the tracks were voted on and subsequently pared down to 200, I was assigned which tracks to review largely based on my previous reviews and stated interests.
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I predict "Wake Up" by Arcade Fire will be #1 tomorrow.
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I predict "Wake Up" by Arcade Fire will be #1 tomorrow.
I could live with that.
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Can't believe I forgot about Ignition (remix).
Wow. "B.O.B." is still #1.
Very surprised to see Animal Collective cracking the top 10 with a song from this year. I'm guessing it'll end up being their #1 album of 2009.
Also surprised "Gold Digger" or "Stronger" didn't make it.
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I predict "Wake Up" by Arcade Fire will be #1 tomorrow.
Undaunted, I predict Rolling Stone's #1 will be that Dylan/will.i.am Pepsi remix of "Forever Young."
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that was some good predictin', FOT.
'all my friends' - i love that song more than i love most of my friends.
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Overall, not a bad list, considering that it's limited to the styles of music that Pitchfork covers (indie rock, mainstream hip hop, and dancey electronic).
Any "omissions" tend to be in styles of music I wouldn't expect PF to like. Or songs by yucky old people! (e.g. Robert Wyatt's "You You" could be on there)
ps: MGMT is "universally liked" eh? I bet that track would be at least 100 places down, even in the same author's opinion, if this was written a year from now.
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I figured OutKast's overexposure/inactivity would send "B.O.B." out of the top 10, but that "Hey Ya" would stick around. That one, I'm glad I got wrong.
(Earlier post deleted; I didn't see Matt's post on the last page.)
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ps: MGMT is "universally liked" eh? I bet that track would be at least 100 places down, even in the same author's opinion, if this was written a year from now.
Apparently I'm not part of the universe then, because I can't stand them.
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(Earlier post deleted; I didn't see Matt's post on the last page.)
How weird is that? Still, that song's got legs!
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Very surprised to see Animal Collective cracking the top 10 with a song from this year. I'm guessing it'll end up being their #1 album of 2009.
I'm not too surprised. For whatever reason, everyone is jerking off Animal Collective over this album (ew, sorry for such a graphic analogy). I like "weird" stuff, but I really don't see what the big deal is. I've listened to a few of their records, and it just doesn't click. In fact, I thought Merriweather Post Pavilion was flat out boring (Not Hospice by The Antlers boring or Dirty Projectors boring), really just a tedious listen.
I am also willing to take whatever hate I get for having a contrary opinion regarding Animal Collective. Feel free to bring it.
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the list is an almost total joke, except #1 which is exactly correct
weird
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Very surprised to see Animal Collective cracking the top 10 with a song from this year. I'm guessing it'll end up being their #1 album of 2009.
I'm not too surprised. For whatever reason, everyone is jerking off Animal Collective over this album (ew, sorry for such a graphic analogy). I like "weird" stuff, but I really don't see what the big deal is. I've listened to a few of the records, and it just doesn't click. In fact, I thought Merriweather Post Pavilion was flat out boring (Not Hospice by The Antlers boring or Dirty Projectors boring), but a tedious listen.
I am also willing to take whatever hate I get for having a contrary opinion regarding Animal Collective. Feel free to bring it.
I love it! Nothing wrong with hating on music. We can all be friends. I think Animal Collective are great. Nothing "weird" about them, they're just sunny pop. When they get weird is when they're boring, and when I want weird there are better places to go.
Even though I would not come up with anywhere near the same list, I think Shovel did a good job. These Shovel retrospectives have all been better than the laughably bad Pazz & Jopp surveys, for instance. If you want a better list, it has to come from a single person. Terre T's top faves introduce me to more stuff that I end up loving, but you don't exactly get a view of the musical zeitgeist from her.
I think we're seeing lots of the junky flavors of the month slowly moved into the memory hole (Interpol, Bloc Party). Of course plenty in the top 20 sucks in my opinion. Let's see. Gnarls Barkley--total garbage. That idiot song "Crazy" irritated the hell out of me for a few months, it was inescapable and so very very mediocre. I deleted a comment I write about earlier about Radiohead being "shit-meisters" to avoid starting a fight, but seriously, I'm not on that train. The Arcade Fire: most overrated band of the decade, not even the best Canadian band of recent years, and they suck live. Indie rock for NPR listeners. "Maps"--The Yeah Yeah Yeahs are good, but not that good. That song does nothing for me. Maybe top 50, definitely not top 10 good. Yo La Tengo can improvise a better ballad on the air for cash.
The best song of the 2000s was clearly "Tunnel of Goats" by Coil. Just parts V through IX though.
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I think Feels and Sung Tongs are Animal Collective's superior albums.
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I'm not on the Radiohead wagon either. At all.
I love "Crazy," though.
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Animal Collective is interesting but it's not good... except for Grass. I prefer the Dirty Projectors much more. I tend to agree with Pitchfork when it comes to singles but they must have a completely different criteria for albums because I rarely agree with them there.
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That computer simulation's got people talking.
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Animal Collective is interesting but it's not good... except for Grass. I prefer the Dirty Projectors much more. I tend to agree with Pitchfork when it comes to singles but they must have a completely different criteria for albums because I rarely agree with them there.
I wholeheartedly agree with this. And "Stillness is the Move" is one of the best songs of the decade, no question about it.
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The best song of the 2000s was clearly "Tunnel of Goats" by Coil.
haha what
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It's lame that the highest ranked rock song is some Walkmen thing I've never heard before.
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It's lame that the highest ranked rock song is some Walkmen thing I've never heard before.
LCD Soundsystem: NOT ROCK.