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Title: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: David on October 06, 2009, 01:25:54 PM
Has anyone seen these Jeff Dunham commercials with the "pimp character?" I don't know if I'm more offended as a comedian or as a human.
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: David on October 06, 2009, 01:37:42 PM
I really should have dialed down the subject header though. I meant to say, horribly offensive and unfunny.
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: Christina on October 06, 2009, 01:41:44 PM
Has anyone seen these Jeff Dunham commercials with the "pimp character?" I don't know if I'm more offended as a comedian or as a human.

Not to come to the defense of Jeff Dunham or anything, but can anybody think of a character that ANY ventriloquist has created that is nuanced & 3 dimensional, or that doesn't rely on tiresome racist jokes or dull-witted cultural stereotypes?
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: steve davidson on October 06, 2009, 01:47:49 PM
auntie christina is right, jeff dunham is hilarious and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: buffcoat on October 06, 2009, 02:15:01 PM
Sometimes I have a puppet show in my mind   that has those elements.
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: NJL on October 06, 2009, 02:33:32 PM
Has anyone seen these Jeff Dunham commercials with the "pimp character?" I don't know if I'm more offended as a comedian or as a human.

Not to come to the defense of Jeff Dunham or anything, but can anybody think of a character that ANY ventriloquist has created that is nuanced & 3 dimensional, or that doesn't rely on tiresome racist jokes or dull-witted cultural stereotypes?

W.W.
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: snogrog on October 06, 2009, 04:28:59 PM
Has anyone seen these Jeff Dunham commercials with the "pimp character?" I don't know if I'm more offended as a comedian or as a human.

Not to come to the defense of Jeff Dunham or anything, but can anybody think of a character that ANY ventriloquist has created that is nuanced & 3 dimensional, or that doesn't rely on tiresome racist jokes or dull-witted cultural stereotypes?

Madame was pretty fleshed out, right?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/78/Wayland_Flowers_and_Madame.jpg)
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: Christina on October 06, 2009, 04:34:51 PM
Has anyone seen these Jeff Dunham commercials with the "pimp character?" I don't know if I'm more offended as a comedian or as a human.

Not to come to the defense of Jeff Dunham or anything, but can anybody think of a character that ANY ventriloquist has created that is nuanced & 3 dimensional, or that doesn't rely on tiresome racist jokes or dull-witted cultural stereotypes?

Madame was pretty fleshed out, right?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/78/Wayland_Flowers_and_Madame.jpg)

Yeah! I can't believe I forgot one of my childhood icons. Direct line from her right to Bea Arthur.

I also thought of Charlie McCarthy.

Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: David on October 06, 2009, 04:43:42 PM
If only they were all like Charlie McCarthy and Bill Murray in Cradle Will Rock.
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: Bryan on October 06, 2009, 06:26:30 PM
Has anyone seen these Jeff Dunham commercials with the "pimp character?" I don't know if I'm more offended as a comedian or as a human.

Not to come to the defense of Jeff Dunham or anything, but can anybody think of a character that ANY ventriloquist has created that is nuanced & 3 dimensional, or that doesn't rely on tiresome racist jokes or dull-witted cultural stereotypes?

How 'bout a certain protege of Mr. Scharpling?
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: NJL on October 06, 2009, 07:23:48 PM
Has anyone seen these Jeff Dunham commercials with the "pimp character?" I don't know if I'm more offended as a comedian or as a human.

Not to come to the defense of Jeff Dunham or anything, but can anybody think of a character that ANY ventriloquist has created that is nuanced & 3 dimensional, or that doesn't rely on tiresome racist jokes or dull-witted cultural stereotypes?

W.W.
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: todd on October 06, 2009, 07:47:23 PM
Has anyone seen these Jeff Dunham commercials with the "pimp character?" I don't know if I'm more offended as a comedian or as a human.

Not to come to the defense of Jeff Dunham or anything, but can anybody think of a character that ANY ventriloquist has created that is nuanced & 3 dimensional, or that doesn't rely on tiresome racist jokes or dull-witted cultural stereotypes?

Do the Muppets count? Not really ventriloquism, but the same ballpark
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: Bryan on October 06, 2009, 07:57:56 PM
Has anyone seen these Jeff Dunham commercials with the "pimp character?" I don't know if I'm more offended as a comedian or as a human.

Not to come to the defense of Jeff Dunham or anything, but can anybody think of a character that ANY ventriloquist has created that is nuanced & 3 dimensional, or that doesn't rely on tiresome racist jokes or dull-witted cultural stereotypes?

W.W.

And I was so surprised that no one had mentioned Wackiman. Turns out I'm just not very clever.
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: Christina on October 06, 2009, 08:10:09 PM
Has anyone seen these Jeff Dunham commercials with the "pimp character?" I don't know if I'm more offended as a comedian or as a human.

Not to come to the defense of Jeff Dunham or anything, but can anybody think of a character that ANY ventriloquist has created that is nuanced & 3 dimensional, or that doesn't rely on tiresome racist jokes or dull-witted cultural stereotypes?

W.W.

And I was so surprised that no one had mentioned Wackiman. Turns out I'm just not very clever.

He's a puppet, not a ventriloquist dummy. just to split hairs.
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: Stupornaut on October 06, 2009, 11:07:34 PM
Has anyone seen these Jeff Dunham commercials with the "pimp character?" I don't know if I'm more offended as a comedian or as a human.

Not to come to the defense of Jeff Dunham or anything, but can anybody think of a character that ANY ventriloquist has created that is nuanced & 3 dimensional, or that doesn't rely on tiresome racist jokes or dull-witted cultural stereotypes?

W.W.

And I was so surprised that no one had mentioned Wackiman. Turns out I'm just not very clever.

He's a puppet, not a ventriloquist dummy. just to split hairs.

Yeah, what're ya, some kinda dummydummy?
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: David on October 07, 2009, 01:24:09 AM
Dunham isn't even in the same league as The Muppets. Not even in the same galaxy.
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: Steve of Bloomington on October 07, 2009, 10:29:53 AM
Let's not forget Willy Tyler and Lester.

Lester is like a 'Wee Pals' character come halfway to life.
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: Wes on October 07, 2009, 10:37:49 AM
Let's not forget Willy Tyler and Lester.

Early Willy Tyler and Lester routines were notorious for Lester's detailed rants about his hatred of the Irish.
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: Steve of Bloomington on October 07, 2009, 11:56:06 AM
Let's not forget Willy Tyler and Lester.

Early Willy Tyler and Lester routines were notorious for Lester's detailed rants about his hatred of the Irish.

I'll have to take a look at the Wee Pals archives and get back to you.
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: buffcoat on October 07, 2009, 02:28:14 PM
We were talking about Willy Tyler and Lester at lunch. 
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: Pat K on October 07, 2009, 03:09:58 PM
I feel like we're losing sight of the main thrust of this thread here, which is that Jeff Dunham is The Worst. Something we can all agree on.
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: David on October 07, 2009, 03:45:09 PM
That Dunham "cat" sure does talk some "jive."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaybOwDhJZo
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: Steve of Bloomington on October 07, 2009, 04:12:01 PM
I feel like we're losing sight of the main thrust of this thread here, which is that Jeff Dunham is The Worst. Something we can all agree on.

I accidentally caught a couple minutes of his act on the teevee and I wholeheartedly agree. And I am NOT anti-puppet.
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: Christina on October 07, 2009, 04:22:46 PM
I feel like we're losing sight of the main thrust of this thread here, which is that Jeff Dunham is The Worst. Something we can all agree on.

Yes, thank you for bringing focus back to this discussion.

edit: I couldn't remember the super-filthy ventriloquist who does Opie & Anthony all the time ... Otto & George. I love when these guys pretend their dummy is out of control, and they shouldn't be held responsible for anything that comes out of the dummy's mouth. Hilarious!
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: buffcoat on October 07, 2009, 07:30:46 PM
Oh, America, please start falling for the Second Least Common Denominator.  Please.
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: Pat K on October 08, 2009, 09:15:41 AM
Jeff Dunham is coming to my town in January. Ads have already started running. He is also playing a Major Sports Arena in my town - the largest venue for 50 miles. Not one of the large theatres, not one of the large auditoriums at a local college or something. He's playing the fucking HOCKEY ARENA.

How does that work? He couldn't possibly be that popular, could he? I haven't ever heard anyone talk about Jeff Dunham in real life, ever. Granted I don't travel in the same circles with those who I'd imagine to be Jeff Dunham fans. But: really?
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: Pat K on October 08, 2009, 09:17:12 AM
I really should have dialed down the subject header though. I meant to say, horribly offensive and unfunny.

Also, I have no quibble with that subject header.
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: buffcoat on October 08, 2009, 11:16:55 AM
The other funny thing is that these puppets are two feet tall.  Why pay show prices to watch something on a blurry giant TV screen?
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: Kim Kelly on October 08, 2009, 11:19:18 AM
Isn't this the unfunny douchebag who had a suicide bomber dummy?
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: snogrog on October 08, 2009, 11:40:50 AM
I haven't ever heard anyone talk about Jeff Dunham in real life, ever.

The only time he has ever come up in conversation with me and my friends is when we were debating whether or not he made his dummies and my friend said "Him making his dummies is the equivalent to Gallagher growing his own watermelons."

But yes, he makes them all himself. Such is the trade.
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: Martin on October 08, 2009, 11:56:40 AM
Isn't this the unfunny douchebag who had a suicide bomber dummy?

Yep.
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: Keith Whitener on October 08, 2009, 04:58:43 PM
The thing with Dunham is because he is using classic joke structure and mechanics, they'd work the same if he talked about pies and kitties.
Title: Re: Jeff Dunham is racist.
Post by: jamesp on October 08, 2009, 07:18:20 PM
The worst part about him is that he can have the puppets say the dumb, unfunny, racist material and brush it off like, "HEY! IT WAS THE PUPPET! I DIDN'T SAY IT!"

I wonder if Jeff Dunham treats his kids like Edgar Bergen did, where the puppets had bigger bedrooms and he openly liked them more than his children.