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FOT Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: moderate rock on January 07, 2010, 08:09:33 PM
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/07/nbc-shakeup-jay-leno-to-g_n_415199.html
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I'm so mad about this, but I'm at a loss for a meaningless empty gesture that would give me the illusion of communicating my rage to faceless executives at NBC. Also, Jay Leno is the fucking worst.
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If NBC decides to just let Conan go, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. ABC or Fox would get him back on the air as fast as you can say Conando.
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What's with all this Mr. Leno and Mr. O' Brien crap? I hate when fun things get spoiled by money.
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If this actually happens, NBC deserves all the terrible ratings it's been getting. Their Thursday night line up is pretty funny, maybe they should cancel it. F corperate politics, F money, and F NBC (which is the only of the big 4 networks that I actually watch). What happens to Late Night with The Roots... I mean Jimmy Fallon?
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In a statement released Thursday, NBC said, "Jay Leno is one of the most compelling entertainers in the world today".
dateline: OPPOSITE LAND
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I knew this was a SNAFU waiting to happen as soon as I realized that Conan really was going to LA.
It seems beyond idiotic that they would choose to do this.
EDIT: they should just let Leno go home to his car and chin waxing duties.
Maybe it's all for the best and maybe the networks will see that perhaps there is life after "late night" TV and they can find some way to create a new genre rather than continue with the dreck that has basically just been the millionth iteration of what Allen/Parr/Carson invented.
Perhaps there is life after the "desk/sofa/monologue/guest/band" formula, especially now that each and every second seems over-scripted and planned and there is not a moment of unpredictability during ANY of it.
Conan was great in the Late Night slot, but even that was getting stale, really stale.
Why can't TV writers get more say about changing it up a little? How about having a guest on that doesn't know each and every question on the little blue cards beforehand? How about an interview set up by (maximum) only three publicists and three producers?
Is a masturbating bear the best thing we're gonna have to look back on in our old age?
It seems kind of unfair to have let the genre stagnate this much.
...rant over.
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The one thing I still really enjoy on Conan's show is whenever Brian McCann makes an appearance. Or even just his crazy lunatic voice (twitter tracker!!).
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Normally I'm pretty mum about Leno because really what can I add to his legacy of awfulness that hasn't been said a million times before but how big of a fuckface was this guy to play victim and call out the network on his show last night? Worst guy.
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I knew this was a SNAFU waiting to happen as soon as I realized that Conan really was going to LA.
It seems beyond idiotic that they would choose to do this.
EDIT: they should just let Leno go home to his car and chin waxing duties.
Maybe it's all for the best and maybe the networks will see that perhaps there is life after "late night" TV and they can find some way to create a new genre rather than continue with the dreck that has basically just been the millionth iteration of what Allen/Parr/Carson invented.
Perhaps there is life after the "desk/sofa/monologue/guest/band" formula, especially now that each and every second seems over-scripted and planned and there is not a moment of unpredictability during ANY of it.
Conan was great in the Late Night slot, but even that was getting stale, really stale.
Why can't TV writers get more say about changing it up a little? How about having a guest on that doesn't know each and every question on the little blue cards beforehand? How about an interview set up by (maximum) only three publicists and three producers?
Is a masturbating bear the best thing we're gonna have to look back on in our old age?
It seems kind of unfair to have let the genre stagnate this much.
...rant over.
I think you're looking for Last Call with Carson Daly. Good Luck!
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Leno is the Joe Lieberman of television.
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Leno is the Joe Lieberman of television.
He really is a monster. How he's managed to keep his nice-guy image all these years, despite being a total ash olé from the original Tonight Show takeover (the Letterman screwjob), via all his awfulness over the years, and the scabbing during the strike, to his "retirement" and backpedalling, to this fucking mess - not to mention the cars, the greed, the total blandness of his shows - is beyond me.
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Leno is the Joe Lieberman of television.
Well said.
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Leno is the Joe Lieberman of television.
Post of the day.
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Perhaps there is life after the "desk/sofa/monologue/guest/band" formula, especially now that each and every second seems over-scripted and planned and there is not a moment of unpredictability during ANY of it.
Conan was great in the Late Night slot, but even that was getting stale, really stale.
Why can't TV writers get more say about changing it up a little? How about having a guest on that doesn't know each and every question on the little blue cards beforehand? How about an interview set up by (maximum) only three publicists and three producers?
I agree with the sentiment but I don't see many huge celebrities going along that kind of format.
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I knew this was a SNAFU waiting to happen as soon as I realized that Conan really was going to LA.
It seems beyond idiotic that they would choose to do this.
EDIT: they should just let Leno go home to his car and chin waxing duties.
Maybe it's all for the best and maybe the networks will see that perhaps there is life after "late night" TV and they can find some way to create a new genre rather than continue with the dreck that has basically just been the millionth iteration of what Allen/Parr/Carson invented.
Perhaps there is life after the "desk/sofa/monologue/guest/band" formula, especially now that each and every second seems over-scripted and planned and there is not a moment of unpredictability during ANY of it.
Conan was great in the Late Night slot, but even that was getting stale, really stale.
Why can't TV writers get more say about changing it up a little? How about having a guest on that doesn't know each and every question on the little blue cards beforehand? How about an interview set up by (maximum) only three publicists and three producers?
Is a masturbating bear the best thing we're gonna have to look back on in our old age?
It seems kind of unfair to have let the genre stagnate this much.
...rant over.
I think you're kinda right. The format isn't perfect. I still hate the interviews with despicable celebrities, and I usually hate the monologues (that style of joke just feels so... grandfatherly to me) - but the show is worth watching for the bits between the two. I usually Hulu that 20 minutes when I'm bored.
That said, Conan as a comedian is fucking spectacular. Remember those strike shows? When he's unchained the show is so so so so so great. And he's the best we've got, so I'd like to see his show continue unfuckedwith.
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If this is true, I want so badly to assume the body of Jay Leno and pull a Tim and Eric Nite Live on NBC.
Or hey how about Zach G?
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I knew this was a SNAFU waiting to happen as soon as I realized that Conan really was going to LA.
It seems beyond idiotic that they would choose to do this.
EDIT: they should just let Leno go home to his car and chin waxing duties.
Maybe it's all for the best and maybe the networks will see that perhaps there is life after "late night" TV and they can find some way to create a new genre rather than continue with the dreck that has basically just been the millionth iteration of what Allen/Parr/Carson invented.
Perhaps there is life after the "desk/sofa/monologue/guest/band" formula, especially now that each and every second seems over-scripted and planned and there is not a moment of unpredictability during ANY of it.
Conan was great in the Late Night slot, but even that was getting stale, really stale.
Why can't TV writers get more say about changing it up a little? How about having a guest on that doesn't know each and every question on the little blue cards beforehand? How about an interview set up by (maximum) only three publicists and three producers?
Is a masturbating bear the best thing we're gonna have to look back on in our old age?
It seems kind of unfair to have let the genre stagnate this much.
...rant over.
I think you're looking for Last Call with Carson Daly. Good Luck!
Really? I never even momentarily considered watching it... Not that it's on here in Conanland, I mean Finland. (Co-Co is huge here, week old episodes played twice daily...).
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I think you're kinda right. The format isn't perfect. I still hate the interviews with despicable celebrities, and I usually hate the monologues (that style of joke just feels so... grandfatherly to me) - but the show is worth watching for the bits between the two. I usually Hulu that 20 minutes when I'm bored.
That said, Conan as a comedian is fucking spectacular. Remember those strike shows? When he's unchained the show is so so so so so great. And he's the best we've got, so I'd like to see his show continue unfuckedwith.
I agree the format isn't perfect, but some of the charm is in that -- and much comedy mileage was made from that. Letterman always mocks the show as he goes, Conan I think maybe mocks himself. but I think what's really killed late night shows is being able to youtube/hulu it ... as has been stated, since these interviews are scripted to death, so there is no reason to tune in live. You can wait till the next day to watch the bits you want.
I'm team Conan all the way, but I don't even watch the show really unless I hear about a good bit. Then I go find it online. The strike shows were great. Was that when he came up with Edith Bunker singing Sabotage? I about died from laughing at that.
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That said, Conan as a comedian is fucking spectacular. Remember those strike shows? When he's unchained the show is so so so so so great. And he's the best we've got, so I'd like to see his show continue unfuckedwith.
Agreed to the max... I just would like to see Conan do what he and his writers are obviously prepared to do; shake the whole thing up, rather than become boring and middle of the road... Which could be his destiny if NBC execs have anything to do with it.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib5lVD8GBr8&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Patton Oswalt chimes in on this clusterfuck.
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Conan's response! (http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/conan-obrien-says-he-wont-do-tonight-show-following-leno/)
I think NBC must be hard at work on an animatronic Leno too, you know... for back up. I mean, he can't live forever, and then where will they be?
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Unfortunately, I don't think that Conan has that many options available to him, if he wants to remain on a broadcast network. ABC isn't going to displace both Nightline and Jimmy Kimmel Live from their respective timeslots. FOX might want him, but he probably won't get enough clearances from local FOX affiliates.
I think Conan would be wise to shop himself to cable networks. In fact, Bill Simmons had a great idea when he proposed that Conan take the 12:00 slot on Comedy Central, following The Daily Show and The Colbert Report. Plus, cable would give Conan more artistic freedom than he would get on a broadcast network.
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I think Conan would be wise to shop himself to cable networks. In fact, Bill Simmons had a great idea when he proposed that Conan take the 12:00 slot on Comedy Central, following The Daily Show and The Colbert Report. Plus, cable would give Conan more artistic freedom than he would get on a broadcast network.
I can't imagine Colbert leading in for Conan. My head would explode but it would make it a lot easier to dvr everything.
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I agree with you. Personally, I think it would make a lot of sense. But at this point in his career, I don't believe Conan wants to play second fiddle to anyone.
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Unfortunately, I don't think that Conan has that many options available to him, if he wants to remain on a broadcast network. ABC isn't going to displace both Nightline and Jimmy Kimmel Live from their respective timeslots. FOX might want him, but he probably won't get enough clearances from local FOX affiliates.
I think Conan would be wise to shop himself to cable networks. In fact, Bill Simmons had a great idea when he proposed that Conan take the 12:00 slot on Comedy Central, following The Daily Show and The Colbert Report. Plus, cable would give Conan more artistic freedom than he would get on a broadcast network.
The only way Conan would accept going from the Tonight Show to midnight on basic cable was if he he went on a Bad Lieutenant-style sleaze binge and lost everything (actually, I hope they keep him in mind for the next BL). Simmons should stick to... uhm... he should stick to.... geez... actually, fuck him.
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Unfortunately, I don't think that Conan has that many options available to him, if he wants to remain on a broadcast network. ABC isn't going to displace both Nightline and Jimmy Kimmel Live from their respective timeslots. FOX might want him, but he probably won't get enough clearances from local FOX affiliates.
I think Conan would be wise to shop himself to cable networks. In fact, Bill Simmons had a great idea when he proposed that Conan take the 12:00 slot on Comedy Central, following The Daily Show and The Colbert Report. Plus, cable would give Conan more artistic freedom than he would get on a broadcast network.
The only way Conan would accept going from the Tonight Show to midnight on basic cable was if he he went on a Bad Lieutenant-style sleaze binge and lost everything (actually, I hope they keep him in mind for the next BL). Simmons should stick to... uhm... he should stick to.... geez... actually, fuck him.
"Conan should move to ABC and replace my buddy Jimmy Kimmel. That way Cousin Sal can be on my podcast more than once a week"
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cable would give Conan more artistic freedom than he would get on a broadcast network.
= toilet talk ?
I don't think its toilet talk he needs. If he hosted a less scripted show, where the interviews actually contained a person asking questions and not knowing the exact duration and plot of the answers, perhaps in the spirit of Seven Second Delay's live shows, it would be an unadulterated hit.
This fiasco is not merely a slap in the face of Conan, it is a golden opportunity for him to do exactly the kind of show he and his team would like to do - and I hope it's in NY.
Fuck the legacy of the Tonight Show, we knew it was over for good when Jay started shaking hands in the audience.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib5lVD8GBr8&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Patton Oswalt chimes in on this clusterfuck.
Is there anywhere else to see/listen to this? I was going to listen to it, but The Best Show was still on, and now the video's gone.
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Yes, here:
http://comedydeathrayradio.blip.tv/file/3062660/
It's the entire episode of CDR Radio though, not just the clip. (Although I recommend the whole show.)
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Yes, here:
http://comedydeathrayradio.blip.tv/file/3062660/
It's the entire episode of CDR Radio though, not just the clip. (Although I recommend the whole show.)
Everyone needs to hear Brett Gelman's iBrain story.
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Yes.
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Everyone needs to hear Brett Gelman's iBrain story.
I don't usually listen to CDR radio when my girlfriend is around, but man, I'm glad I played this bit when she was listening.
"What IS this?" etc.
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Everyone needs to hear Brett Gelman's iBrain story.
Scott and Patton's reactions to that story were hilarious. I third the recommendation!
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Kimmel on Leno tonight actually made me laugh.
* [Asked by Leno what the best prank he ever pulled was] "The best prank I ever pulled was I told a guy that—five years from now—I'm gonna give you my show. And then when the five years came, I gave it to him, and then I took it back almost instantly."
* [Asked by Leno if he ever orders anything off of the TV] "Like NBC ordered your show off the TV?"
* [Asked by Leno what the record is for number of lap dances he's received in one night] "Strippers, I don't like in general. Because you have this phony relationship with them for money, similar to that of when you and Conan were on The Tonight Show together, passing the torch... you know what I'm saying."
* [Asked by Leno what he hasn't yet hosted, but would like to] "Oh, this is a trick, right? Where you get me to host The Tonight Show and then take it back from me?"
* [Asked why he came on to do the segment] "Listen, Jay, Conan and I have children—all you have to take care of is cars. I mean, we have lives to lead here. You've got $800 million, for God's sakes—leave our shows alone."
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Fuck the legacy of the Tonight Show, we knew it was over for good when Jay started shaking hands in the audience.
That always creeped me out. It was so obvious they were picking pretty people to be in the front. It's gross.
I think the thing that ruins comedy is a cheering (and not laughing) audience. Letterman was a lot funnier back when he had to work for the laughs. How can you tell if your bit is working if the audience howls at everything? Then there's no feedback.
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Kimmel on Leno tonight actually made me laugh.
* [Asked by Leno what the best prank he ever pulled was] "The best prank I ever pulled was I told a guy that—five years from now—I'm gonna give you my show. And then when the five years came, I gave it to him, and then I took it back almost instantly."
* [Asked by Leno if he ever orders anything off of the TV] "Like NBC ordered your show off the TV?"
* [Asked by Leno what the record is for number of lap dances he's received in one night] "Strippers, I don't like in general. Because you have this phony relationship with them for money, similar to that of when you and Conan were on The Tonight Show together, passing the torch... you know what I'm saying."
* [Asked by Leno what he hasn't yet hosted, but would like to] "Oh, this is a trick, right? Where you get me to host The Tonight Show and then take it back from me?"
* [Asked why he came on to do the segment] "Listen, Jay, Conan and I have children—all you have to take care of is cars. I mean, we have lives to lead here. You've got $800 million, for God's sakes—leave our shows alone."
Nicely done by Kimmel. But as Chris L pointed out on twitter, 'Just watched Kimmel's zingers completely bounce off soulless RoboLeno. "Dead or alive, that show is mine."'
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Kimmel on Leno tonight actually made me laugh.
* [Asked by Leno what the best prank he ever pulled was] "The best prank I ever pulled was I told a guy that—five years from now—I'm gonna give you my show. And then when the five years came, I gave it to him, and then I took it back almost instantly."
* [Asked by Leno if he ever orders anything off of the TV] "Like NBC ordered your show off the TV?"
* [Asked by Leno what the record is for number of lap dances he's received in one night] "Strippers, I don't like in general. Because you have this phony relationship with them for money, similar to that of when you and Conan were on The Tonight Show together, passing the torch... you know what I'm saying."
* [Asked by Leno what he hasn't yet hosted, but would like to] "Oh, this is a trick, right? Where you get me to host The Tonight Show and then take it back from me?"
* [Asked why he came on to do the segment] "Listen, Jay, Conan and I have children—all you have to take care of is cars. I mean, we have lives to lead here. You've got $800 million, for God's sakes—leave our shows alone."
Nicely done by Kimmel. But as Chris L pointed out on twitter, 'Just watched Kimmel's zingers completely bounce off soulless RoboLeno. "Dead or alive, that show is mine."'
Yeah. Obviously if he had really been bothered by any of Kimmel's comments they could have just cut them before the show was broadcast. Maybe he thinks people will give him some sympathy if he's just being blasted by everyone?
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There's a lot of hostility on TV right now. Well placed, but it's boxing match out there right now!
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Dick Ebersol has given us his opinion - this fucking guy, one of the crassest, most hateful TeeVee execs there ever was. His reign over SNL seemed to be about rewarding that awful "if slipping on a banana peel once is funny, slipping on it ten times is 10 times funnier!" type of humor. Dick.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/entertainment/post/2010/01/nbc-exec-calls-conan-chicken-hearted-and-stubborn/1 (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/entertainment/post/2010/01/nbc-exec-calls-conan-chicken-hearted-and-stubborn/1)
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This article (http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-01-13/good-riddance/?cid=hp:beastoriginalsC1) is dumb (and of course Bill Simmons agreed with all of it). Why does Conan need to be doing political satire? And while I generally preferred Late Night, there were certainly many great moments on the Tonight Show
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There is a lot of blood in the water over this right now. I'm as ticked off as everyone who considers themselves a longtime fan of Conan but the Schadenfreude of watching/hearing Leno get shredded by his peers is really fascinating stuff too.
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This article (http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-01-13/good-riddance/?cid=hp:beastoriginalsC1) is dumb (and of course Bill Simmons agreed with all of it). Why does Conan need to be doing political satire? And while I generally preferred Late Night, there were certainly many great moments on the Tonight Show
I think it's fair to say that Conan's Tonight Show wasn't that funny. I loved the Conan shows of the 90's and early 00's, but I only stuck with Conan's Tonight Show for a handful of episodes. I feel like Conan's humor wasn't aging that well. Humor changes over the years and, for the most part, Conan is still doing the same thing. I compare it to how I used to love the Simpsons, but now I can't sit through a re-run. It feels like comedy from a different time.
I don't fully understand why, but when Letterman does the same-old thing he's done for years, I still think it's kinda funny, but Conan doing the same old thing has started to annoy me.
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I'm starting to think the person I feel sorriest for here is Andy Richter. He tried so hard for so long to get out from under Conan's shadow and forge a certain kind of career, had lots of terrible luck at that, and finally admitted (with, I imagine, a defeated sigh) that fate seemed to want him back on that couch. Now this.
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This article (http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-01-13/good-riddance/?cid=hp:beastoriginalsC1) is dumb (and of course Bill Simmons agreed with all of it). Why does Conan need to be doing political satire? And while I generally preferred Late Night, there were certainly many great moments on the Tonight Show
I think it's fair to say that Conan's Tonight Show wasn't that funny. I loved the Conan shows of the 90's and early 00's, but I only stuck with Conan's Tonight Show for a handful of episodes. I feel like Conan's humor wasn't aging that well. Humor changes over the years and, for the most part, Conan is still doing the same thing. I compare it to how I used to love the Simpsons, but now I can't sit through a re-run. It feels like comedy from a different time.
I don't fully understand why, but when Letterman does the same-old thing he's done for years, I still think it's kinda funny, but Conan doing the same old thing has started to annoy me.
I only watched it a couple of times too. I think Conan's "I'm a self-hating nerd who shouts a lot" thing doesn't age well. He'd be funnier if he grew up a little.
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I'm starting to think the person I feel sorriest for here is Andy Richter. He tried so hard for so long to get out from under Conan's shadow and forge a certain kind of career, had lots of terrible luck at that, and finally admitted (with, I imagine, a defeated sigh) that fate seemed to want him back on that couch. Now this.
Andy's speech the other night definitely made me feel that way. He did some great work post-Late Night, it was too bad none of it got much of an audience.
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I think it's fair to say that Conan's Tonight Show wasn't that funny. I loved the Conan shows of the 90's and early 00's, but I only stuck with Conan's Tonight Show for a handful of episodes. I feel like Conan's humor wasn't aging that well. Humor changes over the years and, for the most part, Conan is still doing the same thing. I compare it to how I used to love the Simpsons, but now I can't sit through a re-run. It feels like comedy from a different time.
I don't fully understand why, but when Letterman does the same-old thing he's done for years, I still think it's kinda funny, but Conan doing the same old thing has started to annoy me.
I only watched it a couple of times too. I think Conan's "I'm a self-hating nerd who shouts a lot" thing doesn't age well. He'd be funnier if he grew up a little.
If I'm honest, I must agree. Conan is capable of insanely funny things, but he didn't make a whole lot of structural changes to his format when he started up again. If anything, he ramped up the formulaic bits. I didn't like Twitter Tracker the first time I saw it, it depressed me to watch it the fiftieth time I saw it.
Never thought I would ever say this, but Jimmy Fallon is doing infinitely more to innovate the form.
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Jimmy Fallon's not bad (I know I'm in the minority here), but his thank you notes are getting tiresome. Does repetition of bits HAVE to be part of late night tv shows?
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OK, hopefully this won't piss anyone off too badly, but how important is the Tonight Show's legacy really? I know it's been on for 400 years and Carson was a beloved guy who made the careers of many great comedians. But I've never actually found the show all that great or funny.
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I love Conan but I agree about The Tonight Show's legacy. That's part of a different generation which Conan doesn't belong to. To me, Conan is just the best late night host and it doesn't matter if he's hosting The Tonight Show because he's his own brand just like Letterman. Leno wasn't his own brand, his ratings came mostly from the generation who still held dear to The Tonight Show and Conan was too much of a departure from that. So, while I think NBC screwed up, I think both sides benefit from this if NBC wants to think that The Tonight Show brand has staying power. Not gonna happen and Conan's better off somewhere else.
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Jimmy Fallon's not bad (I know I'm in the minority here), but his thank you notes are getting tiresome. Does repetition of bits HAVE to be part of late night tv shows?
I'm not much of a late night TV fan (I watched Conan regularly in the early '00s when Comedy Central was reairing his show and even watched on NBC for a while [when school wasn't in session] after CC stopped, and I saw him live two times) but my roommate is. He watches Conan and Fallon religiously every night. Fallon was fucking terrible when he started over the summer and has gotten exponentially better since then. I'm still not his biggest fan, but he's earned some respect for at least trying.
That being said, I have watched Conan regularly for the past couple weeks since the whole Leno/Conan tiff came to light.
Andy's speech the other night definitely made me feel that way. He did some great work post-Late Night, it was too bad none of it got much of an audience.
Agreed.
I watched every episode of Andy Richter Controls the Universe when it aired. It was one of my favorite shows (and I guess still is, I haven't seen it in ages). I was devastated when Fox canned it.
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There's a GREAT article on FMU's Beware of the Blog about some Late Night controversies of the past:
http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2010/01/late-night-.html#more
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This clip is pretty interesting. From 2004. It's just been announced that Conan will take over The Tonight Show in 2009, and Jay has this to say about it (http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/6d1caacad1/jay-s-2004-announcement).
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I watched every episode of Andy Richter Controls the Universe when it aired. It was one of my favorite shows (and I guess still is, I haven't seen it in ages). I was devastated when Fox canned it.
I loved that show. I too, was sad when it was canceled, but lo and behold the DVD series has just found it's way into my Netflix queue. HUZZAH!
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This clip is pretty interesting. From 2004. It's just been announced that Conan will take over The Tonight Show in 2009, and Jay has this to say about it (http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/6d1caacad1/jay-s-2004-announcement).
Wow.
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I think this power grab by Leno (and the smoothness with which he will return to the throne) marks the first significant step of the Bad Guys winning since Obama's inauguration.
The next nail, and each one henceforth, shall eventually lead us to a situation where Sarah Palin is president, all illegal immigrants are jailed or deported, and recent gay rights and medical marijuana laws will be repealed.
On the other hand, perhaps this is merely the end of NBC?
One can only hope.
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I watched every episode of Andy Richter Controls the Universe when it aired. It was one of my favorite shows (and I guess still is, I haven't seen it in ages). I was devastated when Fox canned it.
I loved that show. I too, was sad when it was canceled, but lo and behold the DVD series has just found it's way into my Netflix queue. HUZZAH!
Andy Barker, PI was on its way to being a quality show but it only got a few episodes. Worth checking out the DVD.
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I think this power grab by Leno (and the smoothness with which he will return to the throne) marks the first significant step of the Bad Guys winning since Obama's inauguration.
The next nail, and each one henceforth, shall eventually lead us to a situation where Sarah Palin is president, all illegal immigrants are jailed or deported, and recent gay rights and medical marijuana laws will be repealed.
On the other hand, perhaps this is merely the end of NBC?
One can only hope.
Get ready for tomorrow.
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I think this power grab by Leno (and the smoothness with which he will return to the throne) marks the first significant step of the Bad Guys winning since Obama's inauguration.
The next nail, and each one henceforth, shall eventually lead us to a situation where Sarah Palin is president, all illegal immigrants are jailed or deported, and recent gay rights and medical marijuana laws will be repealed.
On the other hand, perhaps this is merely the end of NBC?
One can only hope.
Get ready for tomorrow.
For something to happen on the Best Show or for NBC to go off the air?
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This clip is pretty interesting. From 2004. It's just been announced that Conan will take over The Tonight Show in 2009, and Jay has this to say about it (http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/6d1caacad1/jay-s-2004-announcement).
Yikes.
Oh well!
I don't know anything about show business but it sure seems like Conan's manager should have seen that this would happen and protected him better.
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There's a GREAT article on FMU's Beware of the Blog about some Late Night controversies of the past:
http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2010/01/late-night-.html#more
That was great! Thanks for the link.
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This was pretty spot-on... but I'm only halfway through it myself...
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/18/business/media/18carr.html?8dpc
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I think this power grab by Leno (and the smoothness with which he will return to the throne) marks the first significant step of the Bad Guys winning since Obama's inauguration.
The next nail, and each one henceforth, shall eventually lead us to a situation where Sarah Palin is president, all illegal immigrants are jailed or deported, and recent gay rights and medical marijuana laws will be repealed.
On the other hand, perhaps this is merely the end of NBC?
One can only hope.
Get ready for tomorrow.
For something to happen on the Best Show or for NBC to go off the air?
More Bad Guys winning.
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I think this power grab by Leno (and the smoothness with which he will return to the throne) marks the first significant step of the Bad Guys winning since Obama's inauguration.
The next nail, and each one henceforth, shall eventually lead us to a situation where Sarah Palin is president, all illegal immigrants are jailed or deported, and recent gay rights and medical marijuana laws will be repealed.
On the other hand, perhaps this is merely the end of NBC?
One can only hope.
Get ready for tomorrow.
For something to happen on the Best Show or for NBC to go off the air?
More Bad Guys winning.
That was a little creepy.
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There's a GREAT article on FMU's Beware of the Blog about some Late Night controversies of the past:
http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2010/01/late-night-.html#more
That was great! Thanks for the link.
That article's description of the "Jerry Lewis Show" debacle was crazier than any of S & W's "Shout Network" scenarios. Whenever I think S&W are getting a little too absurd, something comes along from "real life" to prove me wrong.
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Kliph Nesterhoff is a treasure.
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I think this power grab by Leno (and the smoothness with which he will return to the throne) marks the first significant step of the Bad Guys winning since Obama's inauguration.
The next nail, and each one henceforth, shall eventually lead us to a situation where Sarah Palin is president, all illegal immigrants are jailed or deported, and recent gay rights and medical marijuana laws will be repealed.
On the other hand, perhaps this is merely the end of NBC?
One can only hope.
Get ready for tomorrow.
For something to happen on the Best Show or for NBC to go off the air?
More Bad Guys winning.
That was a little creepy.
Mark, if you were in Helsinki, Massachusetts you would know exactly what I was talking about.
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I think this power grab by Leno (and the smoothness with which he will return to the throne) marks the first significant step of the Bad Guys winning since Obama's inauguration.
The next nail, and each one henceforth, shall eventually lead us to a situation where Sarah Palin is president, all illegal immigrants are jailed or deported, and recent gay rights and medical marijuana laws will be repealed.
On the other hand, perhaps this is merely the end of NBC?
One can only hope.
Get ready for tomorrow.
For something to happen on the Best Show or for NBC to go off the air?
More Bad Guys winning.
That was a little creepy.
Mark, if you were in Helsinki, Massachusetts you would know exactly what I was talking about.
Ohhh.... Duh.
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So did everyone see that finale? Was that not the best ending of any talk show in history?
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I am mostly concerned about Oliver Pardo.
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I am mostly concerned about Oliver Pardo.
It was too bad Jimmy didn't get on the show, though I did see him applauding in the audience a few times.
Now every time I hear "Surrender" it's going to make me sad.