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FOT Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: Smelodies on January 21, 2010, 11:31:47 PM
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Cue people who don't watch the show going "Since when does he make fun of liberals?"
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Cue people who don't watch the show going "Since when does he make fun of liberals?"
"Since when does he make fun of liberals?"
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What are liberals?
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Honest question: I've only seen Olbermann on TV once or twice and he pretty much seemed as bad as Limbaugh, et al. Is this accurate?
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Honest question: I've only seen Olbermann on TV once or twice and he pretty much seemed as bad as Limbaugh, et al. Is this accurate?
Pretty much, yeah. Which one you find more palatable will depend on your political sympathies, obviously, but as far as flawed logic, overheated rhetoric, and a operating within a bubble so as not to be challenged by a potentially smarter someone who thinks differently than you, they are close to being different sides of the same coin.
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Here we go:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-january-21-2010/special-comment---keith-olbermann-s-name-calling
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Honest question: I've only seen Olbermann on TV once or twice and he pretty much seemed as bad as Limbaugh, et al. Is this accurate?
Stewart's portrayal of Olbermann was spot on. Olbermann is pompous, overbearing, and self-important. He's basically the liberal version of Rush Limbaugh.
In terms of political cheerleading, MSNBC has become just as bad as Fox News.
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But he was good on SportsCenter.
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But he was good on SportsCenter.
This is true.
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Honest question: I've only seen Olbermann on TV once or twice and he pretty much seemed as bad as Limbaugh, et al. Is this accurate?
I'd say he's around as bad as Limbaugh as a pundit, though not quite, but as a person they're not even close. As a person, Limbaugh is a gigantic racist, mysogynistic, idiotic etc. etc. etc. piece of shit. Olbermann is just a bad pundit.
Rachel Maddow is probably the only good liberal pundit on TV that I can think of.
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Honest question: I've only seen Olbermann on TV once or twice and he pretty much seemed as bad as Limbaugh, et al. Is this accurate?
I'd say he's around as bad as Limbaugh as a pundit, though not quite, but as a person they're not even close. As a person, Limbaugh is a gigantic racist, mysogynistic, idiotic etc. etc. etc. piece of shit. Olbermann is just a bad pundit.
Rachel Maddow is probably the only good liberal pundit on TV that I can think of.
Olbermann at least thinks he's fighting the good fight. Limbaugh knows he's idiot fodder and is fine with it.
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Olbermann at least thinks he's fighting the good fight. Limbaugh knows he's idiot fodder and is fine with it.
I think Limbaugh legitimately thinks he's fighting the good fight, especially during this presidency.
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I think pretty much all conservative pundits operate from a place of "I have a lot of cash, how can I make more of it?" first and foremost. With the lone exception of Glenn Beck, whom I think has some sort of psychiatric condition. And I say that being completely sincere, he has the same look in his eye that you see on Timothy Treadwell in Grizzly Man.
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Rachel Maddow almost always impresses me. I guess Olbermann helps me make my point about bat-shit crazy right-wing demagogues on TV and radio. I can tell conservatives that it's just a style that I abhor -- and see? We even have one on the left. Still, somehow, I can't hate Olbermann.
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I doubt many of them actually believe what they're saying, so by getting outraged we're just giving them what they want, right?
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Olbermann's response:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5l2Zy3FFmo
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The only good thing about Olbermann being one of the 75 analysts on NBC's antiquated football pre-game show is that it must annoy Limbaugh, who famously got shitcanned from ESPN after a few weeks.
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The only good thing about Olbermann being one of the 75 analysts on NBC's antiquated football pre-game show is that it must annoy Limbaugh, who famously got shitcanned from ESPN after a few weeks.
Poor guy. They wouldn't even let him buy that football team!
This must be the "White Man's Burden" I've heard so much about.
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I wish Jon Stewart hadn't said "pusillanious."
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I wish Jon Stewart hadn't said "pusillanious."
What a surprise that you and I both noticed that and cringed.
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I wish Jon Stewart hadn't said "pusillanious."
What a surprise that you and I both noticed that and cringed.
I cringed as well. Hard to watch a good guy misstep.
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Pretty much, yeah. Which one you find more palatable will depend on your political sympathies, obviously, but as far as flawed logic, overheated rhetoric, and a operating within a bubble so as not to be challenged by a potentially smarter someone who thinks differently than you, they are close to being different sides of the same coin.
Way true. I never got the attraction of listening to someone who 100% confirms your own views. Why not just sit alone and listen to yourself think? Olbermann likes to think of himself as an Edward R Murrow type, but the truth is he copped his whole thing from Bill O'Reilly. He'd still be discussing tennis highlights if it wasn't for Papa Bill.
I think pretty much all conservative pundits operate from a place of "I have a lot of cash, how can I make more of it?" first and foremost.
I guess this is true, but it's important to remember that Olbermann and Stewart also know which side their bread is buttered on. Not that they're being dishonest or whatever, but they're certainly not doing those gigs for charity.
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I respect Olbermann to a point because he tries to base his stuff on facts. And when he's wrong, he'll admit it, but only if he's wrong about facts. That's way more than any Limbaugh, Beck, or Michael Savage is willing to do.
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I respect Olbermann to a point because he tries to base his stuff on facts. And when he's wrong, he'll admit it, but only if he's wrong about facts. That's way more than any Limbaugh, Beck, or Michael Savage is willing to do.
I remember hearing Olbermann in an interview say that he would prefer not to deliver information in the style he uses on the show. However he has found that he reaches more people when does his schtick.
How do his numbers stack up against Stewart's?
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I respect Olbermann to a point because he tries to base his stuff on facts. And when he's wrong, he'll admit it, but only if he's wrong about facts. That's way more than any Limbaugh, Beck, or Michael Savage is willing to do.
I remember hearing Olbermann in an interview say that he would prefer not to deliver information in the style he uses on the show. However he has found that he reaches more people when does his schtick.
How do his numbers stack up against Stewart's?
January 21, 2010:
Countdown w/ K. Olbermann – 1,067,000 viewers (313,000) (502,000)
Week of Jan 11-15:
“The Daily Show,” 1.4 million
Both from tvbythenumbers.com
Sorry I couldn't find concurrent ratings to compare, their website is a tad tricky to navigate. But they look to be about even. However, I'd suspect that Daily Show gets a rather huge bump from DVRs, Hulu, their own streaming website, and straight up illegal downloads.
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I remember hearing Olbermann in an interview say that he would prefer not to deliver information in the style he uses on the show. However he has found that he reaches more people when does his schtick.
I think I'd prefer a life of total obscurity and not reaching people than having to look back, late in life, on televised clips of myself acting like a Limbaugh or an Olbermann.
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Whenever I go by Glenn Beck on the radio, he always seems to just be mucking around with his buddies about non-political topics. Are you guys sure he's a pundit?
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Tom's commentary on Glenn Beck last week was great.
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Cue people who don't watch the show going "Since when does he make fun of liberals?"
He touched on that last night:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-february-1-2010/q---o
And here he is at his most critical of Barack as far as I can recall:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-may-13-2009/old-man-stewart-shakes-his-fist-at-white-house-poetry-jams
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-july-2-2009/that-s-great-now-fix-the-economy
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on the topic of Stewart, he was just on O'Reilly's show
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4001020/oreilly-vs-stewart/?playlist_id=87485
all 3 parts should be there
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I can't/won't watch this because Bill O'Reilly makes me feel sick. Is it interesting?
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I only watched the first few minutes, but I thought it was interesting to the extent that those two guys actually seem to like each other OK, and that O'Reilly seems to have a sense of humor.
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It's terrifying that O'Reilly doesn't terrify me that much anymore.
PS: Off topic, but somehow 40 posts or so got shaved off of my post count. Conspiracy to keep me from championing space? How far up does this shadow government reach?!
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Olbermann did a good job here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ3INIVNTBw