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Title: Old Chat/New Chat/Newer Chat
Post by: Jason on March 10, 2007, 11:16:33 PM
I know there was some kerfuffle when we changed from the old chat* to the new chat.
When the site is relaunced there will be a new simpler and better integrated chat. If anyone has any ideas or preferences for it the please speak now.

I know Sarah wants a bigger message input field for example.

* This was actually the second FOT chat so the new one will be FOT Chat IV. Best Show history buffs take note.
Title: Re: Old Chat/New Chat/Newer Chat
Post by: Richard_From_CHI on March 10, 2007, 11:49:49 PM
I throw this out there merely as a suggestions and I am not entirely sure of my feelings on the topic, BuuuUUuuuut is there a way to require that chat users are also forum members to minimize the trolls and FWDs that log in under some elses name?

Title: Re: Old Chat/New Chat/Newer Chat
Post by: Jason on March 11, 2007, 10:42:27 AM
Yes, if all goes smoothly that will be a feature.
Title: Re: Old Chat/New Chat/Newer Chat
Post by: Sarah on March 11, 2007, 11:11:17 AM
Perhaps this feature still exists and I'm just unable to locate it, but I would like to be able to copy/archive chat sessions.  I would also like to be able to scroll back to the beginning of a session (now it seems one can only go back a short distance).
Title: Re: Old Chat/New Chat/Newer Chat
Post by: Andy on March 11, 2007, 11:24:54 AM
I think we need to make sure that the sounds (like *tentpole* or *gomp*) need to stay

I'm kidding btw.
Title: Re: Old Chat/New Chat/Newer Chat
Post by: sleepytako on March 11, 2007, 11:34:15 AM
I never, or rarely, have a chance to listen live.* But, if I were to use the FOT chat, I would like to see it on IRC.


*I live in Japan I'm typicaly sleeping on Wednesday mornings while it's live.
Title: Re: Old Chat/New Chat/Newer Chat
Post by: Richard_From_CHI on March 11, 2007, 12:47:38 PM
Maybe a "Survivor" style feature where people can get voted out of the chat for the crime of being a FWD. Have it run every 30 minutes.

Title: Re: Old Chat/New Chat/Newer Chat
Post by: Pride of Staten Island on March 11, 2007, 02:40:02 PM
Perhaps I'm an idiot, but I cannot figure out how to copy anything anyone types into the chat, like a URL for example. So if that in fact is not possible, it probably should be. And if it is possible and I'm just stupid. maybe someone could tell me what I'm doing wrong.
Title: Re: Old Chat/New Chat/Newer Chat
Post by: Jason on March 11, 2007, 02:58:10 PM
I had the same problem with clicking links in the chat. i only realised a couple of weeks ago that it was because of the firefox pop-up blocker.
Title: Re: Old Chat/New Chat/Newer Chat
Post by: bookem_dan-o on March 11, 2007, 04:31:35 PM
hey call me crazy, but im voting for a metafilter (http://www.metafilter.com)-esque policy of only allowing people who've paid a donation to FMU/Tom's show to use the chat. In MeFi's case, it only costs $5 to get you posting privledges, but it goes a LONG way towards filtering out the trolls and FWDs that generally defile nearly every other chatroom, blog and/or web forum on the internet...

and it would also serve as consolation for when the chat becomes a "second show", and the chat is having more lively chit chat than the actual show itself. Maybe you can get your money refunded if you actually call in to the show.

hmm...a Best Show security deposit...I like that idea!
Title: Re: Old Chat/New Chat/Newer Chat
Post by: John Junk on March 11, 2007, 05:51:54 PM
hey call me crazy, but im voting for a metafilter (http://www.metafilter.com)-esque policy of only allowing people who've paid a donation to FMU/Tom's show to use the chat. In MeFi's case, it only costs $5 to get you posting privledges, but it goes a LONG way towards filtering out the trolls and FWDs that generally defile nearly every other chatroom, blog and/or web forum on the internet...

and it would also serve as consolation for when the chat becomes a "second show", and the chat is having more lively chit chat than the actual show itself. Maybe you can get your money refunded if you actually call in to the show.

hmm...a Best Show security deposit...I like that idea!

I'm gonna go ahead and call you crazy.  If it weren't for free entry into the fot message board community, I might not have become a card-carrying FOT, and a pledger to the Best Show, etc.
Title: Re: Old Chat/New Chat/Newer Chat
Post by: Jason on March 11, 2007, 06:14:16 PM
I agree.
We haven't really had any trouble here, we only had one troll and even he wasn't too bad and only got banned when he decided to mess up the chat.
This has to be one of the most sensible and best behaved boards on the internet.
Title: Re: Old Chat/New Chat/Newer Chat
Post by: Emily on March 11, 2007, 06:24:44 PM
Perhaps this feature still exists and I'm just unable to locate it, but I would like to be able to copy/archive chat sessions. 

Are the chats archvied? If no, then I second the notion.
Title: Re: Old Chat/New Chat/Newer Chat
Post by: jane on March 11, 2007, 08:34:37 PM
Just thought i'd chime in to say I don't think the chat should be archived.  The chat is what it is, a chat.  It's like a bunch of people getting together in someone's living room, some drunk, some sober to listen to and discuss a completely gnarled radio show, and whatever else pops into their heads.  I don't think it's something to be studied, analyzed, etc.  Someone on the chat once referred to it as a "constantly flushing toiletbowl" (of, thoughts, comments,  brilliance and idiocy, maybe).  There's a certain freedom to that.

A change I'd like to see  is the ability to type "ChrisL".  It sure would make it easier to post messages to him such as "funny, ChrisL", "hilarious, ChrisL", "good one, ChrisL", "yer the boss, ChrisL", "You're thoroughly slaying me, ChrisL", etc.
Title: Re: Old Chat/New Chat/Newer Chat
Post by: Chris L on March 11, 2007, 09:06:47 PM
A change I'd like to see  is the ability to type "ChrisL".  It sure would make it easier to post messages to him such as "funny, ChrisL", "hilarious, ChrisL", "good one, ChrisL", "yer the boss, ChrisL", "You're thoroughly slaying me, ChrisL", etc.

Man, this board really does have some sensible folks! 
Title: Re: Old Chat/New Chat/Newer Chat
Post by: Emily on March 11, 2007, 10:14:04 PM
Just thought i'd chime in to say I don't think the chat should be archived.  The chat is what it is, a chat.  It's like a bunch of people getting together in someone's living room, some drunk, some sober to listen to and discuss a completely gnarled radio show, and whatever else pops into their heads.  I don't think it's something to be studied, analyzed, etc.  Someone on the chat once referred to it as a "constantly flushing toiletbowl" (of, thoughts, comments,  brilliance and idiocy, maybe).  There's a certain freedom to that.

i hear what you're saying. i just like things to be archived because i just like saving things. i'm not a big participant in the chat room, so i was just putting my one cent in. also, i may have mentioned this before, but i have this idea & it may be totally whacked (as many of my ideas are) but ! another reason it might be interesting to archive the chats is if it would be possible to use some file manipulating program to sync the chat logs with the corresponding audio archive, so that if you were listening to an old show you could also watch/read the chat progress in time with the audio from that episode.

i just thought this would be cool, just for the people who are fans of the show, but were unable to tune in during the live broadcast.

i know this probably won't happen. and that chats are things that people participate in, not necessarily read after the fact. but i just thought it might be interesting. maybe if they had been archived all along this might be a neat endeavor. if its at all possible.

anyway, im sure the new website will be fabulous, regardless of what happens with the chat.
Title: Re: Old Chat/New Chat/Newer Chat
Post by: Fido on March 11, 2007, 10:55:51 PM
I agree.
We haven't really had any trouble here, we only had one troll and even he wasn't too bad and only got banned when he decided to mess up the chat.
This has to be one of the most sensible and best behaved boards on the internet.

Well behaved, yeah, I'd have to agree for the most part.  The exceptions to that statement have had me thinking that it would be nice to incorporate some kind of feature that would detect abuse on the part of chat participants and administer an electric shock to them through their keyboard when that occurs.  Other than that, I've been pretty happy with the chat and thank you for all of your efforts on behalf of the Glorious FOT community, Jason. 
Title: Re: Old Chat/New Chat/Newer Chat
Post by: Sarah on March 12, 2007, 08:38:38 AM
I don't care if the chat is archived; I just want to have the option of saving it--or  bits of it--for myself.  Now, I believe one can only go back a certain, fairly small number of lines, and copying them is awkward (if the chat moves forward, text becomes unselected).  In the first incarnation of the present chat, there was a "text" feature: once it was selected, the chat would run in a separate window from which it could easily be selected and copied.  Restoring that feature would satisfy my craving. 
Title: Re: Old Chat/New Chat/Newer Chat
Post by: sleepytako on March 12, 2007, 10:34:33 AM
Who's ever gonna really read the chat archives, really...
Chat stats however are cool: http://www.mircstats.net/

Again, if you go to IRC anyone could archive really easy if they wanted to on their own in their own client.
Title: Re: Old Chat/New Chat/Newer Chat
Post by: Grimlock on March 12, 2007, 01:47:33 PM
On Archiving:

I would like to triple the idea that the chat shouldn't be archived.

The good thing about the "constantly flushing toilet bowl" is that even though there might be something interesting in there (hey, that broccoli came out broccoli!!!!) it's all, in the end, better left to the mythic alligators down in the tubes.

I for one have said many things in the chat that I'm glad live on only as anxiety-inducing mental spurs, and would love for those to not be archived by G**gle.

But the freedom of the chat is that for every couple of zingers, you're allowed a few groaners, a handful of "WTFBBQs," and, every once in awhile, something actionable by Homeland Security.

But being able to copy and paste is certainly a good thing, as long as it is done wisely, and that there is a gentleperson's agreement not to repost them to a "FOTBLOGCHATARCHIVE.BLOG.BLOG" site.

Let the chat be the fourth tier, bastard stage to the Best Show, the one that even the tapers avoid!

Pax humana via chata

Grimlucky

Title: Re: Old Chat/New Chat/Newer Chat
Post by: Josh on March 12, 2007, 09:34:32 PM
Grimlocked on point. Agreed!
Title: Re: Old Chat/New Chat/Newer Chat
Post by: Sarah on March 13, 2007, 08:38:09 AM
I promise that if it becomes easier to cut-and-paste from the chat, I will not use this feature to accumulate incriminating comments for the purposes of blackmail. 
Title: Re: Old Chat/New Chat/Newer Chat
Post by: Richard_From_CHI on March 13, 2007, 09:22:32 AM
I agree, don't we leave enough of a damn trail as we go through life without adding to it by archiving the chat.