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My friend and I were talking about things we thought were healthy to leave behind a few years after finishing college.
Examples:
-thinking Bukowski is good poetry
-Improv Everywhere/flash mob stunts
-ultra tight jeans
And a bunch more.
What are some good ones I'm missing?
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Avoiding Spike.
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Worrying about being sent to Antarctica.
And comic books, maybe?
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The work of any author whose books were sold in hip record stores when such places existed (Bukowski, Kerouac, Burroughs, Palahniuk, Rollins, that novel Nick Cave wrote)
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My friend and I were talking about things we thought were healthy to leave behind a few years after finishing college.
Examples:
-thinking Bukowski is good poetry
-Improv Everywhere/flash mob stunts
-ultra tight jeans
And a bunch more.
What are some good ones I'm missing?
Every thing I think of to add to this list I did probably until 30 (okay 35). Thanks for bringing me down man.
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That's fair. Maybe 30 is a better benchmark.
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Not owning a suit.
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Mattress and boxspring on the floor, no bedframe, using an old sleeping bag as a comforter. Did that until I was 28.
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Re: Flash Mobs
Is that being a part of them or enjoying them? Either way I'd have to disagree. I've never been a part of one or even seen one live but they seem to bring a smile to people's faces. Nothing wrong with that, right?
I will add paranormal movie/books/tv shows. Maybe even horror in general. I might be contradicting myself with my previous statement but that stuff needs to go at 25.
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not being smug and cynical
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Record Collecting
Comedy
Sports
Owning Pets
Friendship
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Long, unkempt hair, gentlemen
Not showering
Treating your dates like dirt
I see this shit every time I go out. Millenials, am I right? They need to get back into flannel shirts and the expression, "whatever."
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not being smug and cynical
So you leave behind not being smug, or you star being smug?
/smugly
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Deciding what you need to leave behind by a certain age.
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not being smug and cynical
So you leave behind not being smug, or you star being smug?
/smugly
i was trying to make a smart alecy remark about the condescending "just grow up already" direction this thread is clearly going in.
Sarah's post worked out better than mine.
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Your experimental noise band.
Buying most of your clothes at thrift stores.
Action figures.
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Reading comic books. What?
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Buying most of your clothes at thrift stores.
What?
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Replying "I'm 24" when some asks how old you are.
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Buying most of your clothes at thrift stores.
Assuming you can afford something else.
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Buying most of your clothes at thrift stores.
Assuming you can afford something else.
Being poor.
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Identifying yourself as "queer" when basically, let's face it, you pretty much like boys if you're female and girls if you're male.*
*No disrespect intended to self-identified queers who genuinely do feel same-gender attraction.
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:o emoticons :o
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i was trying to make a smart alecy remark about the condescending "just grow up already" direction this thread is clearly going in.
Sorry, didn't mean for it to come off that way. A tweet by Rob Delaney (http://twitter.com/robdelaney/status/28148282681196545) had made me think of Bukowski and I'd also been laughing at a Best Show where Tom was calling heavy metal music for children. Just kind of riffing off that, I guess...
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i was trying to make a smart alecy remark about the condescending "just grow up already" direction this thread is clearly going in.
Sorry, didn't mean for it to come off that way. A tweet by Rob Delaney (http://twitter.com/robdelaney/status/28148282681196545) had made me think of Bukowski and I'd also been laughing at a Best Show where Tom was calling heavy metal music for children. Just kind of riffing off that, I guess...
I might be getting kinda defensive. coincedentally I've experienced alot of condescension towards my youth lately. so it's been bugging me. I'm 25 myself and I've lived on my own and supported myself since I was 18. I don't think bullshit as frivolous as not buying your clothes at a thrift store or listening to heavy metal or whatever makes you some how more grown up. attitudes like that just make you sound like a fucking asshole.
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come on, I've lived on my own since I was 17, am 32 now, and have outgrown tons of shit *since I was 25*. I imagine this will continue.
you can get amazing stuff at a thrift store if, like me, you live in an area with a lot of rich people who die. for example, I recently bought a pair of shoes for $10 that would have cost about $600 new. just my size, in fine shape.
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Believing that adults know something you don't.
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That one will give some things up is inevitable; I just don't think there are or need to be hard and fast rules decreeing what those things will be.
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I'm 24 and I dated a 27 year old recently and while I was dating her I made a list of things like this. A new bed, healthier food, trying to eat out more, new standards in food clothes, films, music, art...
I broke up with her and things are all the same.
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The work of any author whose books were sold in hip record stores when such places existed (Bukowski, Kerouac, Burroughs, Palahniuk, Rollins, that novel Nick Cave wrote)
Ding ding ding.
I would also add math rock, whatever that is. Around 25 or so this stuff really, really lost its appeal, in a pretty harsh way. I went to see Don Cab a few years ago (or whatever version of that band they are now), and I was easily, EASILY the oldest dude in the room, by, like, a lot. Young person's game, that shit.
I don't get the suit thing, though.
That might be a class issue for a lot of folks--age doesn't seem to have much bearing on that.
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you can get amazing stuff at a thrift store if, like me, you live in an area with a lot of rich people who die. for example, I recently bought a pair of shoes for $10 that would have cost about $600 new. just my size, in fine shape.
I second that. In our area there are a couple good-size thrift stores adjacent to pretty ritzy parts of town. These folks buy nice things and are likely to get rid of them while there's still life left in them (unlike a slob like me who will wear/use something until it disintegrates.) My wife is a expert thrift store shopper and has done amazing things for our family of four with very little money by crawling those places.
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Expressing anti-war sentiments through puppetry.
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Drinking until black-out. Oh, I thought you said 35.
I didn't really outgrow much of anything by 25. Didn't really start to get any maturity at all until 35 or so. I'm still a work in progress and always will be.
Before any of you 20-whatevers start getting pissed at me- I'm not saying no one is mature at 25, or 23, or even 20. I'm just talking about me.
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If eating out more is a sign of maturity, I am still in the womb.
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If eating out more is a sign of maturity, I am still in the womb.
I think of it as a shell, Lubec. A hermit-crab shell.
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Expressing anti-war sentiments through puppetry.
Or anti-meat industry sentiments through nudity.
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That one will give some things up is inevitable; I just don't think there are or need to be hard and fast rules decreeing what those things will be.
I think we're kinda trying to say the same thing but you keep expressing it much more succinctly and clearly than me.
hahaha maybe I am just a stupid kid!
oh brother
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The thread should be called "Stuff I left behind at 25"
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Hell, TKC, I'm more than twice your age. There have to be one or two benefits that come with that sorry state of affairs.
I think of it as a shell, Lubec. A hermit-crab shell.
"You might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment."
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I might be getting kinda defensive. coincedentally I've experienced alot of condescension towards my youth lately. so it's been bugging me. I'm 25 myself and I've lived on my own and supported myself since I was 18. I don't think bullshit as frivolous as not buying your clothes at a thrift store or listening to heavy metal or whatever makes you some how more grown up. attitudes like that just make you sound like a fucking asshole.
Everyone does stuff when they're younger and cringes at it later when they're older. Sometimes it's funny to laugh at. 25 was just an arbitrary number. Most people set the milestones subconsciously. I was just curious where you all stood. I thought a Best Show forum of all places would be receptive. Either way, just posted this to pass the time at work, didn't mean to make anyone feel defensive.
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Let me amend the thrift store thing. Re-reading it it doesn't sound right.
Let me replace it with "ironic t-shirts".
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Stuff I left behind at 25:
Preferring bars to staying at home with wife and friends.
Trying to appreciate heavy metal
Any more attempts at rekindling my interest in baseball cards. :o
A lot of friends. Not by choice, just because that's about the age that happens at.
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Drinking homemade juice out of mason jars in public....or private, for that mater.
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If eating out more is a sign of maturity, I am still in the womb.
OH MAN I get so annoyed (possibly unfairly) with people over the age of 20 who can't cook anything for themselves. Not everybody has to be a gourmet chef, but I feel like once you are a grown-ass man or lady you should be able to function without somebody else making the bulk of your meals for you.
This relates to, and might actually stem from, the fact that through several serving-type jobs I have encountered multiple dudes in their forties/fifties who described themselves as "picky eaters" or refused to touch any kind of salad or vegetable that came with their food. You are an adult, not a six-year-old; unless it is going to make you violently ill or eating it is against your religion or something, eat what is put in front of you.
All that said, last week at a party a dude gave me a 15-minute-long lecture about how when I'm 26, like he is, I'll look back on myself at 20 and realize how childish I was and how little I really knew back then. Because by 26 you've pretty much acquired all the knowledge and wisdom you're ever going to need. So check back with me in six years, I guess?
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. . . a dude gave me a 15-minute-long lecture about how when I'm 26, like he is, I'll look back on myself at 20 and realize how childish I was and how little I really knew back then. Because by 26 you've pretty much acquired all the knowledge and wisdom you're ever going to need.
Damn, I must have bypassed that age somehow.
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Those immature kids privately drinking homemade juice out of mason jars drive me crazy!
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I whack the jars out of their hands with my cane.
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This thread is amazing, or rather, COULD be amazing
- Trying to force a quote by someone like Foucault into a conversation to make people think you're smart
- Telling stories that only begin with "one time back in college"
- Only listening to music by bands that have only made one album, and then insisting that they are THE GREATEST
- Not making anything yourself and instead complaining about everything
- Pretending like you don't have to be a considerate person because of your age
- Stupid piercing and large amounts of toys, unless you've got a room to keep all that garbage in. No one needs to see your GoBots collection, especially not your boyfriend/girlfriend/husband/wife, as nice as they are to pretend like they like it.
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-Calling myself an independent thinker while really just being a contrarian. (When everything you think is just a reaction to what others think- you're really not thinking at all.)
-Enjoying pissing people off.
-Unremitting irony.
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Trying to force a quote by someone like Foucault into a conversation to make people think you're smart
YES! I might also add:
-not knowing the difference between things that I appreciate because they're great vs. things that I appreciate because they make me look and/or feel smart
-not knowing the difference between things that I appreciate because they're great vs. things that I appreciate because they make me look and/or feel unique (I trust you've all seen that one episode of Doug).
Calling myself an independent thinker while really just being a contrarian.
-pretending that unwillingness/inability to take a stand on something meaningful is a mark of intellectual integrity
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Trying to force a quote by someone like Foucault into a conversation to make people think you're smart
YES! I might also add:
-not knowing the difference between things that I appreciate because they're great vs. things that I appreciate because they make me look and/or feel smart
-not knowing the difference between things that I appreciate because they're great vs. things that I appreciate because they make me look and/or feel unique (I trust you've all seen that one episode of Doug).
Calling myself an independent thinker while really just being a contrarian.
-pretending that unwillingness/inability to take a stand on something meaningful is a mark of intellectual integrity
All Doug ever taught me is if I run across a nematoad, bag him quickly. Honk honk.
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My friend and I were talking about things we thought were healthy to leave behind a few years after finishing college.
Examples:
-thinking Bukowski is good poetry
-Improv Everywhere/flash mob stunts
-ultra tight jeans
And a bunch more.
What are some good ones I'm missing?
Every thing I think of to add to this list I did probably until 30 (okay 35). Thanks for bringing me down man.
What if you've never read any Burroughs? Don't start now?
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-Making gang signs in photos
-Making that heart shape with your two hands in photos
(http://i.imgur.com/G7Asy.jpg)
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Being on my lawn, damn it!
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And Toms favorite - Listening to Metal.
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What if you've never read any Burroughs? Don't start now?
Then, much as I forced myself to watch The Sound of Music in my thirties, you have to read at least The Naked Lunch, just so you don't have to pretend to get the references when they crop up. As they will.
And no one who is not in a gang should flash gang signs, ever.
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. . . a dude gave me a 15-minute-long lecture about how when I'm 26, like he is, I'll look back on myself at 20 and realize how childish I was and how little I really knew back then. Because by 26 you've pretty much acquired all the knowledge and wisdom you're ever going to need.
Damn, I must have bypassed that age somehow.
I find that at virtually every age in my life, if I look back at my ten-years-previous self, I see a fool.
I am 52. You guys get back to me about what I should have left behind at 25 when you hit 52. Until then, I suggest you try self-examination.
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This thread is amazing, or rather, COULD be amazing
- Trying to force a quote by someone like Foucault into a conversation to make people think you're smart
- Telling stories that only begin with "one time back in college"
- Only listening to music by bands that have only made one album, and then insisting that they are THE GREATEST
- Not making anything yourself and instead complaining about everything
- Pretending like you don't have to be a considerate person because of your age
- Stupid piercing and large amounts of toys, unless you've got a room to keep all that garbage in. No one needs to see your GoBots collection, especially not your boyfriend/girlfriend/husband/wife, as nice as they are to pretend like they like it.
Thank God Jellyfish made two albums.
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But, Dave, don't you also see a fool when you look at yourself now? I know I do.* If you don't, just wait till you're a year older, young'un. Everything will be clear then.
*Meaning that's what I see when I look in the mirror, not when I look at you. Hell, I've barely seen you.
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I didn't really appreciate metal until age 39. I'm also not about to give up Foucault (who is really not that hard compared to most other French theory, which can be completely impenetrable). I've been trying to get back into Burroughs and the Beats but you guys might be right about that one. My new year's resolution is to start drinking homemade juice out of mason jars and making heart symbols with my hands in photos.
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I'm 56 and don't think early Burroughs or Ginsberg are without merit. Keroauc, eh, brief dips can be fun until the stoopidity starts to whelm.
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The most important question here is, what kind of juice?
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The most important question here is, what kind of juice?
Glad you asked: the goopy, "hey everybody, look at me!" kind that liberal arts students drink and bandy around to prove that they're not slaves to the Minute Maid coproration.
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I don't know what goopy juice is. I don't think it exists where I live.
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I live in a college town, but I don't see any of this street trash-y stuff at all, really. I guess that's one thing the southeast has over the rest of the country.
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I don't claim to be down with the kids, but I can't even picture a kind of juice that screams "Hey, look at me!"
This is juice, right?
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I'm back at school this year after a looooong hiatus, and feeling "Back To School" Rodney Dangerfield old. Of the many things which make me want to wave my cane around--most of which being covered in this thread, just add in the oversized glasses, cowichan sweaters, acid-wash jeans, and american apparel v-neck tees with the hair tuft--the mason jars are the ones that just kill me.
My annoyance started a few years ago when my wife suggested that we go to a Hayden concert on Valentine's Day. The juxtaposition was too good to refuse, and it happened to be in my favourite local venue/church hall.
The acoustics in the room are so good that I was actually enjoying Hayden's moaning and groaning. That is, until the arts student sat in the pew in from of me and removed that dumb jar of goopy vegetable juice from her courier bag, that she smuggled into the show. It wasn't enough to stink up the joint with her particular choice of contraband, or that her choice was so bizarre, but she had to slowly slurp the stuff for the entirety of the show and make a show of it.
For me, now it's like the phenomenon of when you're thinking of buying a certain type of car and you start to see it everywhere on the road: I notice those mason jars everywhere on campus, and the pretension bugs me. Especially for those old enough to know better.
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The most important question here is, what kind of juice?
Glad you asked: the goopy, "hey everybody, look at me!" kind that liberal arts students drink and bandy around to prove that they're not slaves to the Minute Maid coproration.
I bring tea to school in a mason jar because it stays warm in those things for longer than it does in my shitty thermos. But when I bust it out in class or on public transit I make sure to yell 'HEY EVERYBODY LOOK AT ME!" before bandying it about a little, so I guess I see what you're saying.
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But is it goopy? That seems to be key.
Note: I cannot imagine giving a shit about most of the stuff in this thread. But then I don't care if people wear sandals to work, sweatpants on airplanes or jury duty, or oversized sunglasses in Brooklyn parks, so I'm obviously no judge of what's proper.
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All I know is I can't quit you, Ennis.
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is this mason jar juice drinking a regional thing?
...because midtown memphis is obviously lacking in this.
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But is it goopy? That seems to be key.
Note: I cannot imagine giving a shit about most of the stuff in this thread. But then I don't care if people wear sandals to work, sweatpants on airplanes or jury duty, or oversized sunglasses in Brooklyn parks, so I'm obviously no judge of what's proper.
Dear Sarah,
You're the best. You always seem to say the right thing at the right time.
Please start a cult or a radio show....I will follow/listen!
All the best,
Steve
I tried to find, "Ted's church of the very bright lights", this will have to do. Should I have left KITH behind at 25? I couldn't do it.
Kids in the Hall - Skora, the Gentle Shark (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AUfb_4izRA#)
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I bring tea to school in a mason jar because it stays warm in those things for longer than it does in my shitty thermos.
kampachuchuchuchu tea?
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SJK, you are very kind to me.
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is this mason jar juice drinking a regional thing?
...because midtown memphis is obviously lacking in this.
I've seen it here. When are they going to understand that everyone else like them is doing this same exact thing they're doing? What fun is that? Or are they concerned about having fun? Maybe not.
Maybe something I should leave behind is caring about all this.
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is this mason jar juice drinking a regional thing?
...because midtown memphis is obviously lacking in this.
I've seen it here. When are they going to understand that everyone else like them is doing this same exact thing they're doing? What fun is that? Or are they concerned about having fun? Maybe not.
Maybe something I should leave behind is caring about all this.
In Canada, people do the same thing with ice cream buckets.
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Okay, at first, I thought the jar thing was people drinking bringing their own weird alcohol concoctions to events and places and such ... are you guys talking about making weird juice stuff and bringing that out in public?
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-Dancing in public.
-Taking the Greyhound.
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By "dancing in public," do you mean dancing in the streets or something? Or are you against dancing even in situations where it is encouraged (at dances, e.g.)?
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Just thought of another one:
-Getting married for very bad reasons
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-I meant dancing in public without a partner. (me especially).
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I know a geezer well into his seventies who dances by himself in public. Believe me, you could do worse than aspire to be like him.
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Okay, at first, I thought the jar thing was people drinking bringing their own weird alcohol concoctions to events and places and such ... are you guys talking about making weird juice stuff and bringing that out in public?
I'll also add people that talk about how drunk they got last night.
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I bring tea to school in a mason jar because it stays warm in those things for longer than it does in my shitty thermos.
kampachuchuchuchu tea?
They had to take that stuff out of Trader Joe's because of the fermentation.
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Just talking and acting like an entitled teenage hi-5-brah/mean girl in general. This seems to be the house style among a certain sector of hip (but definitely not hipster, you take that back) coastal bloggers who like to casually brag about how they only sleep with good-looking people and run with a popular, jaded, seen-it-all crowd and that makes them -- and the big city they live in -- the kind of cooler-than-you that doesn't even need to go out of the way to declare its coolness. This was set off by someone I follow on Tumblr reblogging a writer who had to preface her enthusiasm for something she liked by saying "At the risk of sounding like a Wiccan who goes to Burning Man to get fingerblasted by guys who were unpopular in high school..."
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i made a new post because this was just depressing for me.
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I didn't really appreciate metal until age 39. I'm also not about to give up Foucault (who is really not that hard compared to most other French theory, which can be completely impenetrable). I've been trying to get back into Burroughs and the Beats but you guys might be right about that one. My new year's resolution is to start drinking homemade juice out of mason jars and making heart symbols with my hands in photos.
I heard Sleep's 'Dopesmoker' recently from probably the least likely source (DJ/Rupture's show), and I thought it was great. I haven't bought any CDs as a result, though, I must admit.
There are maybe 4 or 5 things in the previous sentence I should have left behind at 25, but so what.
I didn't know about the juice and mason jars. I will try that out.
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my problem with coastal bloggers is that you can only converse so long before the inevitable
"fingerblastfingerblastfingerblastfingerblastfingerblastfingerblastfingerblastfingerblast"
"..."
"you got fingerblasted!"
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Asking your friends to help you move.
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Asking your friends to help you move.
Without pay, right?
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For pizza and/or beer.
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Pizza is temporary, lower back pain is forever.
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People under twenty-five don't believe in lower back pain. At least, not in enduring/permanent back pain.