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FOT Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: nec13 on February 22, 2011, 10:33:55 AM
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If you are interested in joining a friendly, mostly non-competitive fantasy baseball league, then I encourage you to consider joining the FOT Fantasy Baseball League at Yahoo.
League ID: 90006
password: scratchbomb
Live draft: Sunday, March 13 at 2:30 p.m.
Settings and scoring are the same as the last few years.
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I can't figure this out. Is there a league ID?
(thanks for hosting nec13.)
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Yeah, it won't let me join without a league ID. Name doesn't work.
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The League ID is 90006
You should be able to join now. If you have any further problems, please tell me.
My apologies.
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I'm in, going for the 3-peat.
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Those are some interesting scoring categories to say the least.
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I'm in.
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The Food Elephants are ready to settle into last place.
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ewww boy. I'm in. I have no idea what I'm doing.
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Maybe we should have playoffs this year? It seems like every year most teams lose interest around the All-Star break because they don't have much chance of finishing #1.
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Maybe we should have playoffs this year? It seems like every year most teams lose interest around the All-Star break because they don't have much chance of finishing #1.
Excellent suggestion.
How big should the playoffs be? 4 teams? 6 teams? 8 teams?
If we end up having 10-12 teams, then we could have a 6 or 8 team playoff.
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6 team playoffs have been the standard in all the leagues I've ever been in, if it's a 12 team league. Are we going to keep those as the stats we use or can they be changed?
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The "Late Fifties" are in. Thanks!
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Never thought I'd do Fantasy Baseball again, but the basketball league has been very fun, and FOT are the coolest. So this was a no-brainer. Thanks for setting it up, nec13.
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I'm in. Just try to keep you eye on the ball while playing against the "Dr Girlfriends".
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There are still three to five spots available in the league.
Join now, or forever hold your breath.
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I may regret this but I'm in.
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I may regret this but I'm in.
I will be cheering you on Will. So please write this down and refer to it during the draft -- "Don't take any Mets."
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I may regret this but I'm in.
I will be cheering you on Will. So please write this down and refer to it during the draft -- "Don't take any Mets."
Words to live by.
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The Lucky Beer Dogs have thrown their hats (beer cans?) into this. Why they have, I'll never know.
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Registration is closed for now.
Although, if there are still some willing participants, I could open up 2 more spots.
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I joined the league but if someone Really wants in, I can step aside...
BTW, does this league use Every Available Category??
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I joined the league but if someone Really wants in, I can step aside...
BTW, does this league use Every Available Category??
Sweet Jesus, the league is full already? A pox on all your houses.
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Fuck!
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Let Dave in! Let Dave in! Expansion is good for the league!
By the way, I can't wait to pick Wainwright.
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Knoxville is a terrible market for a fantasy baseball team.
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Did I say "fuck" already?
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I really wish there wasn't a 20 character limit and I could now change my team name to the Vatican Assassin Warlocks.
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I just wish I could have played.
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I really wish there wasn't a 20 character limit and I could now change my team name to the Vatican Assassin Warlocks.
I was thinking about "Poetry in my Fingertips"
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Our uniforms arrived today.
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h74/ejhuggins/F1KLogo.jpg)
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The amazing thing is that most of these fontasy teams will have more real money than the Mets currently do.
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We have to find a way to get Dave in the game.
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We have to find a way to get Dave in the game.
Please keep repeating this thought.
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We have to find a way to get Dave in the game.
Please keep repeating this thought.
Dave, did you read higher in the thread when necro13 said he could maybe open up a couple slots? Has this already been done? You wanna co-manage the Thousand Fights? You can make all executive decisions. I'll just talk s-hit.
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We have to find a way to get Dave in the game.
Please keep repeating this thought.
Knoxville is a terrible market for a fantasy baseball team.
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I really don't want anybody to step aside, I just like to act like a big baby.
I do wish I had made my zest for Fantasy Baseball clearer on this list at some point in the past, though. http://friendsoftom.com/forum/index.php/topic,5216.msg126232.html#msg126232 (http://friendsoftom.com/forum/index.php/topic,5216.msg126232.html#msg126232) http://friendsoftom.com/forum/index.php/topic,2021.msg31754.html#msg31754 (http://friendsoftom.com/forum/index.php/topic,2021.msg31754.html#msg31754)As a couple of you know, I played in a league for over 25 years, but my good friend Brother Bill Hoffman died last January, and our whole thing fell apart. One busier - than - usual day at work, and I blew my only chance.
I do hope you're all firmly committed to the league, though; it will break my heart if 2 or 3 teams are basically inactive in June, their owners having given up after having signed up just because they could, not knowing the tremendous time commitment it was. Even one team not paying attention can drag a league down and ruin it for everyone else. So be committed, young people! Fantasy baseball is a calling!!!
I will just stand over here in the corner, watch, and dream of what could have been.
(Cue violin music.)
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I just raised the maximum number of teams to 20.
This means there are now four additional spots available.
You are more than welcome to join, Dave.
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Yay! I am in. Just saw the note "You will not be able to hold your draft if your league has an odd number of teams." Hereby volunteer to drop back out (graciously even) if this comes to pass.
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All 20 spots have been filled.
Thanks to all those who have decided to participate.
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All 20 spots have been filled.
Thanks to all those who have decided to participate.
Double yay! Are we using 20 categories? I don't care what the rules are, as long as I know what the rules are.
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20 categories gives everyone a chance I guess since nobody really knows who's valuable...
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20 categories gives everyone a chance I guess since nobody really knows who's valuable...
My strategy is to win "triples" and "reached base on error".
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Here are the categories:
Batting:
Runs, hits, singles, doubles, triples, home runs, RBI, stolen bases, walks, total bases, batting average, OBP, slugging, OPS, extra base hits
Pitching:
Wins, complete games, shutouts, saves, outs, earned runs, walks, strikeouts, batter GIDP, holds, ERA, WHIP, OBP against
29 total categories.
Changes to the scoring settings/stat categories can be made prior to the beginning of league play.
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Here are the categories:
Batting:
Runs, hits, singles, doubles, triples, home runs, RBI, stolen bases, walks, total bases, batting average, OBP, slugging, OPS, extra base hits
Pitching:
Wins, complete games, shutouts, saves, outs, earned runs, walks, strikeouts, batter GIDP, holds, ERA, WHIP, OBP against
29 total categories.
Changes to the scoring settings/stat categories can be made prior to the beginning of league play.
A few suggestions...
Hitting:
- Total bases overlaps hits, doubles and triples and extra base hits. I'd suggest getting rid of those four categories and keeping total bases. Triples is going to be a category that is consistently won 1-0 or tie at 0-0 week after week. Or keep hits and extra base hits and get rid of doubles, triples and total bases.
- OBP and slugging combine to make OPS. I'd suggest getting rid of those two and keeping OPS.
- Usually in OBP or in OPS leagues it replaces average to implement the more telling stat.
- I'd also take out walks too, not only because OPS already covers it to an extent but also since speed players become even more watered down by adding another traditionally power hitting stat.
My suggestion:
Runs, home runs, RBI, stolen bases, total bases, OPS
Pitching:
-You want to make pitching equal to hitting in terms of categories maybe even give it one more since saves and holds are exclusive to relievers.
- Wins, ERA, WHIP, K and saves are a given.
- I'd take out shutouts and complete games for sure because those are ones that are going end up tied almost all the time.
-Outs is interesting and I like it, but I think it would be more effective and reward complete games if you use innings pitched.
- Earned runs and walks overlap WHIP and ERA so I'd remove those. Same thing with OBP against. Pretty much the same thing as WHIP.
My suggestion: Wins, saves, innings pitched, strikeouts, holds, ERA, WHIP
Again, just my suggestions.
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I agree with Gilly's suggestion, except maybe eliminating holds so you have a nice 6 X 6 scoring system.
It's hard to draft and tweak your team needs when you have so many scoring categories...especially in a league this deep.
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New scoring settings:
Batters: Runs, HR, RBI, SB, TB, BA, OPS
Pitchers: W, SV, BB, K, Holds, ERA, WHIP, Quality starts
15 total categories
I may eliminate batting average and quality starts. The other stat categories will be used, however.
Also, do we want to utilize some defensive metrics in the scoring? (i.e. putouts, assists, errors)
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Back to the drawing board!
Just kidding, but I would ask that if there are any additional changes, we be alerted at least a week before the draft.
Thanks!
dave
New scoring settings:
Batters: Runs, HR, RBI, SB, TB, BA, OPS
Pitchers: W, SV, BB, K, Holds, ERA, WHIP, Quality starts
15 total categories
I may eliminate batting average and quality starts. The other stat categories will be used, however.
Also, do we want to utilize some defensive metrics in the scoring? (i.e. putouts, assists, errors)
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Back to the drawing board!
Just kidding, but I would ask that if there are any additional changes, we be alerted at least a week before the draft.
Thanks!
dave
New scoring settings:
Batters: Runs, HR, RBI, SB, TB, BA, OPS
Pitchers: W, SV, BB, K, Holds, ERA, WHIP, Quality starts
15 total categories
I may eliminate batting average and quality starts. The other stat categories will be used, however.
Also, do we want to utilize some defensive metrics in the scoring? (i.e. putouts, assists, errors)
Unless anyone suggests any further changes, I think we will probably just use these settings.
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Our uniforms arrived today.
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h74/ejhuggins/F1KLogo.jpg)
Love it.
20 teams is going to be interesting, and certainly make it much harder for me to threepeat.
I'm also glad that we aren't using every single category available this year, although I did find it entertaining, but this makes the scoring layout much easier to read.
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Ummmm....I've never done any sort of fantasy sport before. Is there an overview of how in the hell this all works?
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Back to the drawing board!
Just kidding, but I would ask that if there are any additional changes, we be alerted at least a week before the draft.
Thanks!
dave
New scoring settings:
Batters: Runs, HR, RBI, SB, TB, BA, OPS
Pitchers: W, SV, BB, K, Holds, ERA, WHIP, Quality starts
15 total categories
I may eliminate batting average and quality starts. The other stat categories will be used, however.
Also, do we want to utilize some defensive metrics in the scoring? (i.e. putouts, assists, errors)
Unless anyone suggests any further changes, I think we will probably just use these settings.
I like it. Maybe let's not eliminate batting average, unless everyone's OK with that. But yeah, let's roll. Astro Zombies "Prime directive: Exterminate the whole human race"
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I am having a little trouble navigating the site. How many players do we draft? When I try to look at a grid for a team roster, I get that message telling me how many days til the draft, and behind that, it looks like 9 offensive players and 7 pitchers. That's OK if I am reading it right, but I have never been in a league with fewer than 14 offensive players and 9 pitchers. How many should I plan to draft overall?
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What I am trying to ask is, do we not draft any reserves?
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Right now it's set to 5 bench spots and two DL spots. You can see this under "Scoring & Settings".
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Right now it's set to 5 bench spots and two DL spots. You can see this under "Scoring & Settings".
Danke
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New scoring settings:
Batters: Runs, HR, RBI, SB, TB, BA, OPS
Pitchers: W, SV, BB, K, Holds, ERA, WHIP, Quality starts
15 total categories
I may eliminate batting average and quality starts. The other stat categories will be used, however.
Also, do we want to utilize some defensive metrics in the scoring? (i.e. putouts, assists, errors)
If it's not too late to suggest changes to the scoring categories, I'd like to throw in my 2 cents:
- No defensive categories. Each of the common defensive metrics is seriously flawed as far as accurately reflecting a player's defensive value. In addition, we have a fair amount of relative newbies. Defensive stats aren't really part of the sphere of knowledge for most fans. For example, I'm sure most casual baseball fans can come up with good guesses at the top five homerun hitters from 2010. I doubt that even a semi-fanatical baseball fan could guess who had the most putouts or highest fielding percentage from 2010.
- Holds & Quality Starts - also somewhat obscure. Holds is such a specialized category that you have to devote at least one of your scarce pitching slots to a middle reliever. And what's less sexy than a middle reliever? ;)
- Total Bases and OPS are somewhat repetitive. OPS includes slugging pct, which is TB/AB.
- Same for BB plus WHIP in the pitching categories.
In general, I prefer the typical 5x5 stat categories:
BA, HR, RBI, SB, R
W, S, K, ERA, WHIP
But OPS is such a statistical darling that it's hard to argue against its inclusion, especially if you're using BA. But that gives you more batting stats than pitching, which is a whole other can of worms.
Anyway, I'm not the commissioner, so I happily defer to your judgment. Just wanted to voice my opinion. :)
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Isn't OPS (on base + total bases)/AB?
So that means it's (hits + walks + total bases)/AB
which means since we're also using BA, which is hits/AB, that we are really tracking
(2*hits + walks + total bases)/AB
as 2 categories. I am good with however we do it, but this seems to put lots of emphasis on plain old hits. Where's Pete Rose when we need him?
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Isn't OPS (on base + total bases)/AB?
So that means it's (hits + walks + total bases)/AB
which means since we're also using BA, which is hits/AB, that we are really tracking
(2*hits + walks + total bases)/AB
as 2 categories. I am good with however we do it, but this seems to put lots of emphasis on plain old hits. Where's Pete Rose when we need him?
OPS is actually slugging + on-base. It doesn't make a lot of statistical sense.
(total bases/at-bats) + [ (hits + walks) / (at-bats + walks) ]
So Albert Pujols 2010:
OBP .414
SLG .596
OPS 1.011
Personally, I think the most "accurate" approach is to use OBP and SLG as 2 separate categories, while tossing BA. But that's a little too wonkish. I still have affinity for the "old chestunut" stats, so ditching BA completely just seems wrong.
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Wow. What's this supposed to measure? Here's another way to think of it, that's equivalent, but equally puzzling
(total bases*at bats + walks*total bases + at bats*hits + at bats*walks)
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((at bats)^2+at bats*walks)
Seriously, what does that measure? Can we have
sin(hits+reached base on error-thrown out at second)
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the cube root of (strike outs - ground outs)
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Seriously, though, I don't care what you do, as long as its in place and unchanging at least a few days before the draft.
Thanks
dave
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sin(hits+reached base on error-thrown out at second)
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the cube root of (strike outs - ground outs)
Maybe this is the stat that would finally explain the continued appeal of Nick Punto.
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The one thing Punto has going for him is that he never makes a mistake in the field. He always makes the right play which is valuable. That's why managers like him and let him stink it up at the plate.
I think the settings are fine where they are now. It's been cleaned up to get rid of most of the duplicates and still has non-traditional categories to make the league unique. Should be a lot of fun!
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(total bases*at bats + walks*total bases + at bats*hits + at bats*walks)
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((at bats)^2+at bats*walks)
Oh my God.
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(total bases*at bats + walks*total bases + at bats*hits + at bats*walks)
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((at bats)^2+at bats*walks)
Oh my God.
I know! It's crazy! And delicious!
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Right now it's set to 5 bench spots and two DL spots. You can see this under "Scoring & Settings".
This is still very confusing to me. Maybe I am too old school. Can the bench spots be pitchers OR offensive players?
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Yes they can.
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One of the participants has chosen to withdraw from the league. This means that there is now one opening available.
If you missed out the first time, now's your chance!
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Again, if need be I will drop out.
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Isn't OPS (on base + total bases)/AB?
So that means it's (hits + walks + total bases)/AB
which means since we're also using BA, which is hits/AB, that we are really tracking
(2*hits + walks + total bases)/AB
as 2 categories. I am good with however we do it, but this seems to put lots of emphasis on plain old hits. Where's Pete Rose when we need him?
OPS is actually slugging + on-base. It doesn't make a lot of statistical sense.
(total bases/at-bats) + [ (hits + walks) / (at-bats + walks) ]
So Albert Pujols 2010:
OBP .414
SLG .596
OPS 1.011
Personally, I think the most "accurate" approach is to use OBP and SLG as 2 separate categories, while tossing BA. But that's a little too wonkish. I still have affinity for the "old chestunut" stats, so ditching BA completely just seems wrong.
Weird. This is not how Sportsline calculates this stat. It's not a lot different for most batters, but it is slightly different consistently
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Just found this
On-Base Percentage (OBP) = (Hits + Walks + Hit By Pitch) / (At Bats + Walks + Hit By Pitch + Sacrifice Flys)
here
http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/sports/fantasysports/baseball/scoring/baseball-41.html (http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/sports/fantasysports/baseball/scoring/baseball-41.html)
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One of the participants has chosen to withdraw from the league. This means that there is now one opening available.
If you missed out the first time, now's your chance!
I just snagged it.
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One of the participants has chosen to withdraw from the league. This means that there is now one opening available.
If you missed out the first time, now's your chance!
I just snagged it.
Alright!
I'm hoping we'll now have a set league.
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Holy crap. It's a LIVE DRAFT? I just got an email about the scheduling of my live draft. I can't be there. What was the point of spending hours adjusting my draft rankings this week?
Holy crap, somebody get back to me and let me know what's going on here. A live draft with 20 teams could take 15 hours. I am committed to family and church stuff.
Holy crap.
dfk
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Holy crap. It's a LIVE DRAFT? I just got an email about the scheduling of my live draft. I can't be there. What was the point of spending hours adjusting my draft rankings this week?
Holy crap, somebody get back to me and let me know what's going on here. A live draft with 20 teams could take 15 hours. I am committed to family and church stuff.
Holy crap.
dfk
I think you're all set. This is what the site says:
From this page, you can edit your pre-draft player rankings and export rankings to another team.
Player rankings are used to draft your team. If you're happy with our default order, you don't need to edit your rankings. To rank players in your own custom order, click the Edit My Rankings button.
You can export custom pre-draft player rankings to any or all of your other Fantasy Baseball teams by using the tool below. Simply select the teams you wish to copy your rankings to and hit the Export Rankings button. If you don't have available undrafted teams, this option will not be available.
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Well, that's what I am hoping for, but here's the email I got from Yahoo
"This note is being sent to remind you that your team in league Guild of Calamitous Intent(90006) is scheduled to take part in a live online draft on Sun Mar 13 02:30pm EDT."
Hmmm
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I had no idea it was this soon... I have to leave in 10 minutes so it looks like I'm going with what Yahoo gives me for the most part.
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A live draft with 20 teams could take 15 hours.
Around 2 hrs, not too bad.
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I got there for part of it. I think I hate my team.
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I'd say I hate my team but I don't think you can call a handful of catchers and closers a team really. Thanks autodraft. Also, I should have taken him out myself, but when a guy is out for the entire year Yahoo should be able to program some code where he's unable to be autopicked. The whole draft snuck up on me though so it's going to be an uphill battle.
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I'd say I hate my team but I don't think you can call a handful of catchers and closers a team really. Thanks autodraft. Also, I should have taken him out myself, but when a guy is out for the entire year Yahoo should be able to program some code where he's unable to be autopicked. The whole draft snuck up on me though so it's going to be an uphill battle.
Best laugh of the day. Thank you.
Moral of the story:
Don't trust robots.
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I'd say I hate my team but I don't think you can call a handful of catchers and closers a team really. Thanks autodraft. Also, I should have taken him out myself, but when a guy is out for the entire year Yahoo should be able to program some code where he's unable to be autopicked. The whole draft snuck up on me though so it's going to be an uphill battle.
I probably should have picked another date and time. Sunday afternoon made sense at the time I was asked to choose a date, but I suppose it didn't fit into everyone's schedule.
Sorry.
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No, it's ok. I have no problem with autodrafting I just didn't realize it was already this weekend.
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Yeah, that date snuck up on me too. Oh well, now we play.
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Last time I got an auto-draft team, I largely left it alone and wound up coming in 2nd place in my league. So I've learned to trust the Yahoo Auto-draft.
I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords.
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I got on Yahoo about half way through the draft and I'm glad I did. My team was really coming together like crap up until that point. I think it came out OK in the end but time will tell. Having 20 teams drafting put a different spin on things.
During the draft I was thinking that a good name for this league would be The Really Big League(s). That beng said I still like the League Of Calamitous Intent. Anything Venture Bros related is OK by me. It's also nice to think that David Bowie is our secret Commisioner. Argh. I just thought of the perfect team name for this league. The Diamond Dogs. Next time.
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Last time I got an auto-draft team, I largely left it alone and wound up coming in 2nd place in my league. So I've learned to trust the Yahoo Auto-draft.
I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords.
Give the catchers some!