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FOT Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: ~L on June 21, 2011, 01:44:15 PM
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Challenge yourself to an old-fashioned summer of reading!
Post your challenge here: how many books you'd like to read over the summer or how many hours per week you hope to spend reading.
List your books read and post your progress here.
Kind of like weight watchers for readers, but no money down, and without the guilt if you slip!
Let the reading begin!
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I am recreationally reading about an hour a day; have been for the last year or so. During that time I have read Les Miserable, War and Peace, Philip F Dick's Ubik, and I am about a week from finishing Infinite Jest (for the 3rd time, but the 1st time I feel I have really connected with it, to the point that I feel I am about to lose an old friend.)
I forgot what the other questions were.
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I will read at least an hour a day, and I will have read from 8-10 books by the end of summer.
Will I? I hope so.
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I am immersed in the George R. R. Martin series "A Song of Ice and Fire." I am half way through book 3. My challenge is to finish reading all through Book 7 this summer.
Also I am reading Tina Fey's "Bossypants" as fast as I can, as it's due back at the library and two other people are waiting for it!
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I am immersed in the George R. R. Martin series "A Song of Ice and Fire." I am half way through book 3. My challenge is to finish reading all through Book 7 this summer.
Also I am reading Tina Fey's "Bossypants" as fast as I can, as it's due back at the library and two other people are waiting for it!
Hate to break it to you, but only 4 books have been published. Number 5 comes July 12
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Thanks for the heads up I hadn't realized. Now I'll request my library hold volume five for me when it comes in! So, if I can get through the 400 pages I have left on #3, and 784 pages of volume 4, and I'll be ready for 5 when it comes out in July. That would be a decent amount of reading for the summer, then "Winter is coming."
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I am reading For Whom the Bell Tolls right now as part of my year-long effort to read a bunch of books that are culturally significant.
Other books I read as part of this series already, I was originally only going to read fiction, but that didn't work out:
Mysterious Stranger - Mark Twain
Timequake - Vonnegut
The Sun Also Rises - Hemingway
Looking Backward - Bellamy
The Autobiography of MLK - MLK (sort of ghostwritten by Claybourne Carson)
Ethics - Spinoza (a good one for the kids!)
The Jungle - Sinclair
Heart of Darkness - Conrad
Dune - Herbert (never seen the movies, but I'm really interested now)
East of Eden - Jon Steinbeck (my new favorite book)
1984 - Orwell
Fugitive Days - Ayers
A couple of books written about socialism as part of a reading group I'm in.
All of them were pretty good reads, Ethics was a slog but I liked it in retrospect.
I'd like to read 7 or 8 more books by the end of the August. That's probably doable since I was forced to give my notice at my job the other day and will be out of work for the immediate future.
Some of the books I still want to read:
Going Rogue - Palin (I already have this a quarter of the way done. I had to put it down because I honestly feel like it was an assault on my (and hopefully anybody who reads it) intelligence.)
Hocus Pocus - Vonnegut (This is the book I read when I go to particular cafe in town that has it on one of their bookshelves)
Silent Spring - Carson
The Value of Nothing - Raj Patel
Altas Shrugged - Rand (Reading it for roughly the same reason as the Palin book)
The Corner - David Simon
The Prison Notebooks - Gramsci
The Politics of Genocide - Herman
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Lothar, I see some Vonnegut on your list. I would like to recommend GALAPAGOS if you haven't read it. I would switch it out for TIME QUAKE myself.
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I was just about to ask if TimeQuake was worth the time. Personally, my favorite is Slapstick.
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I was just about to ask if TimeQuake was worth the time. Personally, my favorite is Slapstick.
Hi ho.
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TimeQuake was good. He breaks from the narrative a lot and it's very autobiographical. A Man Without A Country, which was his last book, has a similar voice (since it was basically a collection of articles and new material). I read Galapagos in a single day and loved it, I consider it in the upper echelon of Jackie Kennedy fanfic. I've read about half of his books, but I want to take my time with them so I have something to read later on.
In Indianapolis they have a Vonnegut museum now, which I hope to visit this summer.
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My goals are modest. I plan to read:
- "A Clash of Kings"
- About 200 more pages of "The Power Broker" (I'm taking it in parts over many years)
- Any quality book I can find about the history of Israel and Palestine that is not Friedman's "From Beirut to Jerusalem"
Coming Summer 2012:
ULYSSES
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TimeQuake was good. He breaks from the narrative a lot and it's very autobiographical. A Man Without A Country, which was his last book, has a similar voice (since it was basically a collection of articles and new material). I read Galapagos in a single day and loved it, I consider it in the upper echelon of Jackie Kennedy fanfic. I've read about half of his books, but I want to take my time with them so I have something to read later on.
In Indianapolis they have a Vonnegut museum now, which I hope to visit this summer.
I didn't know there was such a thing up there. I'll have to visit. I went through all the Vonnegut books (pre-1986) in High School and saw him speak a couple of times. I remember an exchange in the early 90s where a guy asked him if he knew about alt.books.vonnegut, or whatever the Vonnegut related Usenet group was, and Vonnegut pointed out that some of those people were probably in the room, so he should try to get to know some of them IRL. He didn't use the acronym 'IRL', though. Cat's Cradle and Slaughterhouse 5 are my favorites from him.
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Yay!
I finished "Bossypants". I finished "A Storm of Swords." Starting "A Feast for Crows" today!
I saw Mr. Vonnegut once at Studio 54 a long long time ago. He is on my list of famous people I have brushed shoulders with, and regret not having spoken to, who have since passed away.
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Read
"My Life As A Small Boy"
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Wally Cox.
Some of you youngin's may feel that moi 'tis makin' that up BUT some of you thought MOI MADE I up.
Stay on groovin' safari,
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Yay!
I finished "Bossypants". I finished "A Storm of Swords." Starting "A Feast for Crows" today!
I saw Mr. Vonnegut once at Studio 54 a long long time ago. He is on my list of famous people I have brushed shoulders with, and regret not having spoken to, who have since passed away.
My friend was visiting people that lived across the hall from, or next to, his apartment and he called the cops on them because they were being too loud. My friend says he was standing outside his door, smoking, and pointing a finger directly at him.
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Yay!
I finished "Bossypants". I finished "A Storm of Swords." Starting "A Feast for Crows" today!
What did you think of Bossypants? I was a little bummed out by it. Maybe because I had finished Patton Oswalt's and Sarah Silverman's books right before. It just didn't measure up, and seemed like she teased some of the more interesting aspects of her career.
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I enjoyed "Bossypants", although it does have a few lulls in it. It is written in more of a laid-back memoir-style (even though it's marketed as Not a Memoir) as apposed to written to be down right funny, as Patton's book. The story of her facial slashing was riveting, and her lifelong straight ally association with glbt's of theater was notable and timely (given Tracy Morgan's recent slip up). In the introduction it is clear that the book aims for family appeal, as a book for moms and daughters to share as a female in a man's world success story, so I wasn't disappointed. The amount of "strong father" influence and "modern working mom" juggler material, for me, was summed up in her response to being called a "cunt" at work, "You can't call me that, I'm not some adult child of alcoholics" (give or take a few words). Priceless! Everyone (even the adult children of alcoholics) should be able to stand up for themselves!
I also read Dick Cavett's latest book based on his blog spot. I liked that a lot. He has some interesting opinions of our modern world.
I also read Carol Burnett's book "This time together" which was great. It is full of old stories of her and her success. The best part is the so much of the television moments she talks about can be found of youtube, I kept going back and forth between youtube and the book. You should read that one next!
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I am currently reading 'The Pale King', Julie Klausner's book, 'The New Capitalist Manifesto' (don't judge), 'Check the Technique' and Ulysses.
If I finish all of those (except Ulysses), plus maybe 2 or 3 other books this summer, I'll be OK.
Averaging only a few hours a week of the recreational reading. I've gotten involved in a number of side programming/electronics/etc projects that have been taking up more and more of the non-work time, but when I do settle in for a multi-hour reading session, it feels good.
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I enjoyed "Bossypants", although it does have a few lulls in it. It is written in more of a laid-back memoir-style (even though it's marketed as Not a Memoir) as apposed to written to be down right funny, as Patton's book. The story of her facial slashing was riveting, and her lifelong straight ally association with glbt's of theater was notable and timely (given Tracy Morgan's recent slip up). In the introduction it is clear that the book aims for family appeal, as a book for moms and daughters to share as a female in a man's world success story, so I wasn't disappointed. The amount of "strong father" influence and "modern working mom" juggler material, for me, was summed up in her response to being called a "cunt" at work, "You can't call me that, I'm not some adult child of alcoholics" (give or take a few words). Priceless! Everyone (even the adult children of alcoholics) should be able to stand up for themselves!
I also read Dick Cavett's latest book based on his blog spot. I liked that a lot. He has some interesting opinions of our modern world.
I also read Carol Burnett's book "This time together" which was great. It is full of old stories of her and her success. The best part is the so much of the television moments she talks about can be found of youtube, I kept going back and forth between youtube and the book. You should read that one next!
You make some good points. I saw her do an interview with Steve Martin in L.A. promoting the book, and it made me really want to read it, so I did. I had just read Martin's Born Standing Up the year before, so maybe I expected too much. I have a big stack of stuff that is waiting to be read, but I will keep the Burnett book in mind.
As for my own goals this summer, book 1 is in the bag, and it's not really too big an achievement. Charna Halpern's Art by Committee. Since I started in improv, I've alternated reading both this and Truth in Comedy, both by Halpern. I've read both 3 or 4 times now. Good stuff. I know at least a handful of FOT are doing some comedy-based endeavor, and I highly recommend this to those who are (especially improv). And read them again. Layers unfold as you do more in your classes and on stage.
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I'm a terrible reader of books these days. Other kinds of texts, yes. But books almost always get kicked down the ladder of priorities. I do have a couple of weeks of vacation this summer, and I hope to read/finish at least two books then: Pynchon's "Inherent Vice", because I heard PTA is adapting it when he's finished with the film he's making now, and "Two Serious Ladies" by Jane Bowles - recommended by John Waters.
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I'm a terrible reader of books these days. Other kinds of texts, yes.
Like, palimpsests?
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Papyrus scrolls mainly.
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I am reading "In the Garden of the Beasts" by Eric Larson, "Life" by Keith Richards and "Just Kids" by Patti Smith.
I need some fiction in the mix, but those are the ones I have received as gifts in recent times.
The Eric Larson book is intense. Its about the American ambassador to Germany in 1933. He wrote "The Devil in the White City" which was also a good read.
Nerds unite.
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I get about an hour a day in usually, mostly just on the train to and from work.
I just finished Never Let Me Go by Kazuo Ishiguro which I really enjoyed. Up next I have some scifi called Lightborn by Tricia Sullivan. And I recently read King Dork by Frank Portman (Dr Frank from MTX) which was some fun nonsense.
And to whoever it was that had Dune on their list, huzzah! Comeback to me when you've read it. I love that series. I'm never sure how Tom feels about it. He makes gentle fun of it at times.
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And to whoever it was that had Dune on their list, huzzah! Comeback to me when you've read it. I love that series. I'm never sure how Tom feels about it. He makes gentle fun of it at times.
I say:
9, 5, 3, 8, 0 repeating
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I get about an hour a day in usually, mostly just on the train to and from work.
I just finished Never Let Me Go by Kazuo Ishiguro which I really enjoyed. Up next I have some scifi called Lightborn by Tricia Sullivan. And I recently read King Dork by Frank Portman (Dr Frank from MTX) which was some fun nonsense.
And to whoever it was that had Dune on their list, huzzah! Comeback to me when you've read it. I love that series. I'm never sure how Tom feels about it. He makes gentle fun of it at times.
I already finished Dune and loved it. It was a nice change of pace from some of the other books I had read. I remember Tom and (I think) Ted and Mac making fun of it on one episode a maybe year or so ago. H Jon Hodgman knew the terminology (Shai Halud), but said he hadn't read the books. To that I say: Come on Jon, what are you trying to hide?
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I've been wanting to break into the fantasy genre. My first thought was to read Game of Thrones, but then I wondered if maybe my first should be Lord of the Rings. Either way, I need something a little more upbeat than the non-fiction stuff I've been reading.
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I'm at a point when I get home from work I can barely stand to look at a book or computer. I garden or knit instead. With that said, my summer reading list includes includes non-fiction and some business books on quality improvement.
On China - Henry Kissinger
Cod - Mark Kurlansky
Four Fish: The Future of the Last Wild Food - Paul Greenberg
The Secret History of MI6 - Keith Jeffery
The Improvement Guide: A Practical Approach to Improving Organizational Performance - Gerald Langley, et al
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The Fifth Discipline: The Art & Practice of the Learning Organization - Peter Senge
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I just read Pride & Prejudice. First Austen book; I look forward to more.
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Currently reading "Tokyo Vice" by Jake Adlestein.
Jake was an American reporter who ended up covering crime for the major newspaper in Japan. This might sound semi-interesting on paper (really interesting to a journalist) but it is SORDID. This guy has absolutely no filter and talks at length about having sex with a speed-addicted stripper who was at one point the girlfriend of a Yakuza-related illegal animal importer and gives a Dante's Inferno-esque tour of Tokyo's horrifying, bizarre sex-trade underworld.
When I mean this guy has no filter, I mean he has NO FILTER. He openly talks about getting hj's at some parlor. He also, at one point, becomes an "escort" which are these weird bars where women will go and pay for companionship with the man of their choice -- it's a non-sexual thing but it's still really creepy to an outsider. Then there are all these graphic descriptions of the horrors of Japanese porn and role-playing strip clubs. And he also talks about sex with his wife in sordid detail.
I am not a fan of any sort of smut whatsoever. But for some reason this book is completely riveting. I think it's because 1) It's a great fish-out-of-water story and 2) I'm a reporter and can understand the morality play that becomes his career, even though I've never had to do anything even remotely close to him. I'm pretty sure anyone would be really interested in this book, though.
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I have just finished book 4: A Feast for Crows. Starting Whoopi Goldberg's "Is it just me? Or is it nuts out there?" and some W.S. Merwin poetry, until I find copy of A Dance with Dragons, (I'm third on the list for my town library's sole copy.)
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I have just finished book 4: A Feast for Crows. Starting Whoopi Goldberg's "Is it just me? Or is it nuts out there?" and some W.S. Merwin poetry, until I find copy of A Dance with Dragons, (I'm third on the list for my town library's sole copy.)
Penn Books, aka the Penn Station book store (the smaller of the two downstairs) has a copy.
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Just finished "Wake Up, Sir" by Jonathan Ames. Made me laugh out loud. A lot. My wife was giving me funny looks. The story is told by a spiraling-down-the-drain Alcoholic has-been writer who has slipped into his own private Bertie Wooster world delusion. Complete with a butler named Jeeves. It's a tragic story told hilariously. I always loved the Wodehouse books and Ames can slip into that style of description and dialog seamlessly.
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- Any quality book I can find about the history of Israel and Palestine that is not Friedman's "From Beirut to Jerusalem"
Have you read Arab and Jew by David K. Shipler, Jon? I can recommend that one.
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- Any quality book I can find about the history of Israel and Palestine that is not Friedman's "From Beirut to Jerusalem"
Have you read Arab and Jew by David K. Shipler, Jon? I can recommend that one.
I'm reading 1948 by Benny Morris and it is pretty solid. But obviously only a history up to and including the 1948 war. Seems "objective;" as in not overtly politically-skewed. As a Jew (and as a sentient being in general) I am certainly learning lots of things nobody ever told me in Saturday school. Especially about early Zionism and such.
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Well, that Whoopi Goldberg book was unreadable, so back to the library it went... I started Spin, a Sci-fi Trilogy, has anyone here read it? I am not sure about it, either. I may be experiencing a summer reading slump.
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I finished John Sellers' "Perfect From Now On" a few weeks back based on a Kindle recommendation. It was pretty meh. It's about a guys journey into becoming an indie rock afficianado. The journey's pretty pedestrian -- he developed some good taste in high school, he met people with better taste in college, he discovered NME and then somehow wrote a book about this. There's a few funny lines/stories in there but it's not anything too earth-shattering. The best part is when he goes to Bob Pollard's house in Dayton and then gets shat on by the GBV online community afterwards. I would have made that the whole crux of the book as opposed to "I remember the first time I bought a u2 cassette."
Rereading Moneyball right now in order to prep myself for that strange, bizarre looking movie. I'm about halfway done. The book's so completely full-of-shit in retrospect. Billy Beane did a great job but Michael Lewis forgot to write the chapter called, "I Lucked Into Having Tim Hudson, Barry Zito and Mark Mulder In Their Primes" that really explains how he won all of those games. It's definitely interesting to see behind-the-scenes of a major league baseball team.
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Can anyone recommend a good music or comedian biography? The artist doesn't really matter--I'll read almost anything. I have 2 weeks of vacation left and am looking for a good, interesting read. Thanks!
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I have just started on the last book on my summer reading list. My goal is to finish A Dance with Dragons by Sept. 7th when it's due back at the library.
Hope your summer of reading is well!
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Can anyone recommend a good music or comedian biography? The artist doesn't really matter--I'll read almost anything. I have 2 weeks of vacation left and am looking for a good, interesting read. Thanks!
Born Standing Up by Steve Martin
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Can anyone recommend a good music or comedian biography? The artist doesn't really matter--I'll read almost anything. I have 2 weeks of vacation left and am looking for a good, interesting read. Thanks!
Actor and sports star, respectively, but members of my entourage really liked Rob Lowe's and Andre Agassi's autobiographies.
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Thanks for the suggestions! I picked up Patton Oswalt's Zombie Spaceship Wasteland, Steve Martin's Born Standing Up, Rob Lowe's Stories I Tell My Friends, and Bob Mould's See A Little Light. These should keep me busy until it's time to go back to work. I welcome more suggestions as well. Thanks again for the help!
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Just Kids-- Patti Smith.
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- Any quality book I can find about the history of Israel and Palestine that is not Friedman's "From Beirut to Jerusalem"
Have you read Arab and Jew by David K. Shipler, Jon? I can recommend that one.
I'm reading 1948 by Benny Morris and it is pretty solid. But obviously only a history up to and including the 1948 war. Seems "objective;" as in not overtly politically-skewed. As a Jew (and as a sentient being in general) I am certainly learning lots of things nobody ever told me in Saturday school. Especially about early Zionism and such.
There's also the Robert Fisk one, The Great War for Civilization, which I just snagged from someone's stoop along with Miles' Davis autobiography.
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Really disappointed with myself for getting hooked on "A Song of Ice and Fire"....
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- Any quality book I can find about the history of Israel and Palestine that is not Friedman's "From Beirut to Jerusalem"
Have you read Arab and Jew by David K. Shipler, Jon? I can recommend that one.
I'm reading 1948 by Benny Morris and it is pretty solid. But obviously only a history up to and including the 1948 war. Seems "objective;" as in not overtly politically-skewed. As a Jew (and as a sentient being in general) I am certainly learning lots of things nobody ever told me in Saturday school. Especially about early Zionism and such.
There's also the Robert Fisk one, The Great War for Civilization, which I just snagged from someone's stoop along with Miles' Davis autobiography.
I love Miles' Davis' autobiography. The story about his dinner with Reagan is classic.
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- Any quality book I can find about the history of Israel and Palestine that is not Friedman's "From Beirut to Jerusalem"
Have you read Arab and Jew by David K. Shipler, Jon? I can recommend that one.
I'm reading 1948 by Benny Morris and it is pretty solid. But obviously only a history up to and including the 1948 war. Seems "objective;" as in not overtly politically-skewed. As a Jew (and as a sentient being in general) I am certainly learning lots of things nobody ever told me in Saturday school. Especially about early Zionism and such.
There's also the Robert Fisk one, The Great War for Civilization, which I just snagged from someone's stoop along with Miles' Davis autobiography.
I love Miles' Davis' autobiography. The story about his dinner with Reagan is classic.
So psyched to have found it. I had it on my library hold list but I like that I can take my time. I've renewed the Phil Spector bio like 11 times and haven't cracked it yet. Picking up RZA's Wu-Tang manual today and I've had to give that one back once or twice because lots of Brooklynites have holds on that one (though it would probably take me 20 minutes to read).
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As you batten down your East Coast hatches, maybe to do some old fashioned reading by flashlight!
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Woo-hoo! I actually finished a book - 'The Pale King'. I had put it down for a while.
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Knocked out The Logicomix book, Sartre's Existentialism, and Lipsyte's Homeland in the past couple weeks. Back on track.
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What'd you think of Logicomix? As a mathematician gone wrong and fan of Bertrand Russell, I liked it a lot.
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What'd you think of Logicomix? As a mathematician gone wrong and fan of Bertrand Russell, I liked it a lot.
You know, I liked it a lot. My affinity in philosophy has always been Continental, but I think there are great Analytical thinkers, and it was very easy to learn about Russell through a graphic novel. You know what it made me want is, another book dedicated solely to Wittgenstein. I bought his biography a while back and have yet to get through it completely. I like him, though. But this book was good. Wouldn't be surprised to see a movie one day, maybe like A Beautiful Mind but with a better lead.
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What'd you think of Logicomix? As a mathematician gone wrong and fan of Bertrand Russell, I liked it a lot.
You know, I liked it a lot. My affinity in philosophy has always been Continental, but I think there are great Analytical thinkers, and it was very easy to learn about Russell through a graphic novel. You know what it made me want is, another book dedicated solely to Wittgenstein. I bought his biography a while back and have yet to get through it completely. I like him, though. But this book was good. Wouldn't be surprised to see a movie one day, maybe like A Beautiful Mind but with a better lead.
I read Wittgenstein's biography a couple years back (The Duty Of Genius), and liked that. Actually I believe there is a movie about Wittgenstein floating around, and yes, a movie of Logicomix would be a good thing (rotoscoped? I'm kidding).
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- Any quality book I can find about the history of Israel and Palestine that is not Friedman's "From Beirut to Jerusalem"
Have you read Arab and Jew by David K. Shipler, Jon? I can recommend that one.
Oops. I just noticed this. Thanks! I am adding that to my short list. This is next after I finish Blood Meridian and Cheney's memoirs. Summer fun!
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Reading has been my main hobby this past summer. These are the books I read:
George RR Martin- "Game of Thrones," "Clash of Kings," "Storm of Swords," "A Feast For Crows," and "A Dance With Dragons."- Great series! Well worth the time invested.
Scott Lynch- "The Lies of Locke Lamora"- Incredible book. It is like a mafia movie mixed with "Ocean's Eleven" and fantasy.
Jon Maberry- "Patient Zero"- Utter garbage, do not waste your time.
China Mieville- "Perdido Street Station"- Absolutely fantastic! One of the most brilliant things I've read in a long time.
Jim Butcher- "Storm Front," and "Fool Moon"- Not bad, good enough to where I think I'll keep reading the series, but not as good as the Martin, Lynch, or Mieville books I read.
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I just finished my last book of the summer challenge, A Dance with Dragons, just in time as it's due back at the library tomorrow.
I hope everyone had an enjoyable summer of reading, thanks for reading and posting about your books!
Onto fall reading, I am picking up the new "Area 51: an uncensored history" tomorrow. I guess that place does exist, or at least the book about it exists. After reading this Contents description I can hardly wait!
Jacobsen, Annie.
Title Area 51 : an uncensored history of America's top secret military base / Annie Jacobsen.
Pub Info New York , NY : Little, Brown & Co., 2011.
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Contents The secret city -- The riddle of Area 51 -- Imagine a war of the worlds -- The secret base -- The seeds of a conspiracy -- The need-to-know -- Atomic accidents -- From ghost town to boomtown -- Cat and mouse becomes downfall -- The base builds back up -- Wizards of science, technology, and diplomacy -- What airplane? -- Covering up the cover-up -- Dull, dirty, and dangerous requires drones -- Drama in the desert -- The ultimate boys' club -- Operation Black Shield and the secret history of the USS Pueblo -- The MiGs of Area 51 -- Meltdown -- The lunar-landing conspiracy and other legends of Area 51 -- From camera bays to weapons bays, the Air Force takes control -- Revelation.
Summary Presents a history of the most famous secret military installation in the world, assembled from interviews with the people who served there and formerly classified information.
Subject Aeronautics, Military -- Research.
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I heard this woman interviewed on Democracy Now. It sounds awesome, especially the bit about Stalin's UFO plan.
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I am about 1/3 through the Area 51 book. Based on recently de-classified documents and interviews, the book is full of what happened behind the scenes throughout our modern American History, and the mayhem these secret rogues caused! In addition to contaminating and damaging our environment testing many nuclear and thermonuclear bombs, they actually tried to cause a hole in the ozone layer to see what would happen! All that, and the post-WWII recruitment and hiring of Nazi scientists (photo included), will really demolish any faith you may have had, in the forces that were and are in charge of research and development in the name of the USA. It is frightening to read how, for years, these people blundered ahead, blindly, having no or little idea of what they were working on or the possible consequences of their research. This secrecy invented the term "need to know" basis, which resulted in no one knowing exactly what is going on where and when, all in the name of progress and protecting and developing American interests, while hidden even from the Presidents at times.
Since many more files are still classified... who knows how long it will be for true transparency in these endeavors. With 2/3 left to read, I am almost at the UFO section.