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The Best Show on WFMU => Dear Tom => Topic started by: orator on June 24, 2011, 10:07:03 PM
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Tom, you talked about SoA in a recent show. As silly as that show is, you should read some interviews of its creator, Kurt Sutter.
He's the exact kind of guy who'd see The Sopranos or Deadwood and then make this dumb show. He's this excessively foul mouthed wannabe biker (long hair, tattoos - loves to mention riding his hog), wannabe tough guy douchebag. It would be one thing if he was actually was tough, but he has incredibly thin skin and can't take any criticism. Like, someone from his show's production left the show to go work on Frank Darabont's new AMC show. Sutter wrote on his blog or Twitter about how Frank Darabont's this giant asshole for "stealing" his employee, and how if he ever sees him he's going to curb stomp him. Seriously. Or how this last season of SoA was really bad, even by guilty pleasure standards. Critics naturally panned it. Sutter blogs about how all the critics are hacks and don't "get" the show. Or how his show didn't win any Emmy's. So what does he do? Of course, he blogs about how the Emmy voters are all worthless sheep who won't vote for his show because he's an non-conformist outsider and the show's too gritty and not stylish like Mad Men. I'm sure he would have had nothing but praise for them if he'd have won something. And I'm 99% positive he made up a story on his blog about how this trendy network executive girl who happened to run into him and recognize him at a Starbucks and cussed him out because he called network shows worthless garbage in an interview she happened to see. Because, you know, he's so famous and recognizable and of course everyone reads every dumb thing he says.
He's the hackiest of hacks. A lame internet tough guy who uses his dumb show for wish fulfillment. I actually enjoyed his show until I happened to read an interview of his, then I started reading his blog and Twitter and I just went further and further down the stupid rabbit hole.
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I haven't seen the show. The commercials are more than enough for me. That biker poseur tough guy stuff sets my teeth on edge.
Dentist and Insurance salesmen of the world... Please save the leather costumes and head-to-toe harley branded regalia for halloween. Keep you biker fantasies to yourself. Please? Your worst nightmare is to go eye-to-eye with the type of people your trying to look like.
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I was feeling a little melancholy this morning, but the middle paragraph of orator's post cheered me right up!
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Oh god. I forgot to mention that he cast himself in his own show as the baddest, most hardest motherfucker ever, who not only starts off in prison with one eye (and a gnarly scar), but *spoilers* loses the other in the show. *spoilers*
(http://i51.tinypic.com/140ae4l.jpg)
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He is also married to Katy Sagal, who he cast on his show.
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(http://i51.tinypic.com/140ae4l.jpg)
Creepy sandals...
(now i know what john hodgman meant)
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Kurt Sutter being a dickhead aside, am I the only one who really digs this show?
I think it's pretty great, sure It's no Breaking Bad but it's way better than a lot of crap that's on. Being on FX it has a lot to live up to but it's got one of the best ensemble casts on tv right now in my opinion and it's consistently entertaining.
Sutter maybe be a bigmouth dumbie on the internet but I think the show has way more to offer than "biker poseur tough guy stuff".
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The first two seasons were all right. It was enjoyable, but it was never particularly smart or great, especially compared to the shows it imitates. The third season was just awful and amazingly stupid, though. The writing was in soap opera territory.
He is also married to Katy Sagal, who he cast on his show.
Yeah. I'm fine with that because she's thankfully a good actress, but he also has her singing in the show, too, and she doesn't seem particularly great at that. She even sings over a scene that she acts in, which I thought was especially silly.
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Kurt Sutter being a dickhead aside, am I the only one who really digs this show?
I think it's pretty great, sure It's no Breaking Bad but it's way better than a lot of crap that's on. Being on FX it has a lot to live up to but it's got one of the best ensemble casts on tv right now in my opinion and it's consistently entertaining.
Sutter maybe be a bigmouth dumbie on the internet but I think the show has way more to offer than "biker poseur tough guy stuff".
I definitely enjoyed the first 2 seasons. Season 3 was kinda dull, but it ended on an interesting note so I'll be back. Honestly, Tom's the first person I heard of who was enjoying the show ironically or as a guilty pleasure.
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I, too, enjoyed the first two season of the show and thought the third was poop.
I noticed at the PA state fair in Bloomsburg they were now selling bootleg Sons of Anarchy shirts. Instead of Redwood Original in the logo, they added a bunch of local PA town names.
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i just recently burned through the 1st two seasons on netflix. It's over the top, hyper dramatized and most likely nothing like a real biker gang. i know people who refuse to watch it because they genuinely dislike bikers. the show is very sopranos in it's character development, a nice device that gets you to root for criminals. i'm a sucker for that stuff. especially if the story and the acting holds up.
eh, i was entertained by it. ron perlman and stuff.
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and most likely nothing like a real biker gang.
It totally isn't. That's probably the thing about the show that most bothers me because I have a real fascination with gangs and stuff like that, particularly outlaw biker gang culture, and I've read and learned a lot about it. Other than a superficial resemblance to outlaw bikers, like riding motorcycles, wearing vests with patches, etc, SAMCRO is basically bullshit. There are some real gangs that set a precedent for some of SAMCRO's more progressive aspects, like the multiracial gang The Chosen Few but they're a rare exception. Institutionalized racism and sexism, random violence, sexual assaults, and all around anti social behavior are pretty much ubiquitous in one-percenter gangs, at least in the past. Many gangs have reigned some of the wild antics in a bunch but the racist, sexist, jingoistic mentality and violent criminal activity still goes on.
Also, there's no way they'd be wearing their colors all the time like they do in the show. I'm not familiar with the laws in Charming but in the real world that's a great way to get pinched.
as a side note, If anyone else is interested in biker gangs too you should try to get your hands on a book called Freewheelin' Frank, Secretary of The Angels. It's out of print now but I easily found a cheap copy online. It's one of the most bizarre and fascinating books I've ever read. It's also the best, most in depth book I've read about the Hell's Angels, their culture and activities. It's a sorta memoir/drugged out rant written in 1967 by Frank Reynolds, the then Secretary of the San Francisco Hell's Angels. It's great read for anyone interested in outlaw biker culture, The Hell's Angels in particular, as well as their introduction to and crossover with the 60's freak-out drug scene. There's a great part where Frank talks about the infamous party thrown for them by Ken Kesey at his place in La Honda, also talked about in Electric Kool Aid Acid Test and Hunter Thompson's Hell's angels book. It's really wild to read about the party through the eyes of a Hell's Angel instead of a journalist.
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I, too, enjoyed the first two season of the show and thought the third was poop.
Besides being a bit silly, I thought part o the problem with the thrid season is that, while Charlie Hunan does a decent job for the most part, he struck me as lacking a certain... I guess darkness or "ooomph" that would give his mantra of "I just wanna get my son back" an emotional power...
I noticed at the PA state fair in Bloomsburg they were now selling bootleg Sons of Anarchy shirts. Instead of Redwood Original in the logo, they added a bunch of local PA town names.
How quickly do you think somebody donning one of those shirts in a biker bar would get the holy shit kicked out of them? Please give your answer to the nearest tenth of a second...
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I, too, enjoyed the first two season of the show and thought the third was poop.
Besides being a bit silly, I thought part o the problem with the thrid season is that, while Charlie Hunan does a decent job for the most part, he struck me as lacking a certain... I guess darkness or "ooomph" that would give his mantra of "I just wanna get my son back" an emotional power...
I noticed at the PA state fair in Bloomsburg they were now selling bootleg Sons of Anarchy shirts. Instead of Redwood Original in the logo, they added a bunch of local PA town names.
How quickly do you think somebody donning one of those shirts in a biker bar would get the holy shit kicked out of them? Please give your answer to the nearest tenth of a second...
-12.5 seconds. There would be a ripple in the time space fabric making his ass kicked as he reached for the sticky bar door handle.
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I'm now closing in on finishing the first season, and can safely say that this show pretty much stinks.
It's so over-the-top and predictable. This is the sort of thing that gets created when dumb people are really motivated.
Sure, I need to suspend my disbelief, but certain parts that really irked me are:
POSSIBLE SPOLIERS!
- You idiots couldn't even put the AK47s into garbage bags before hiding them in the sewage trucks? Wouldn't this pretty much ruin and expensive weapon.
- The Masturbator - not funny or clever or the least bit edgy, just annoying.
- The hostess at the Chinese restaurant - Really? It's 2011, chief.
- If you've ever had your nose broken (Cherry) the LAST thing you would do would be to shortly afterwards have a makeout session
- Tig and his *totally outrageous & shocking* sexual proclivities. "Get outta here before I rape you both." Gimme a friggin break.
- That dumb SOA hat that the baby wears at the hospital.
- Naming your kid Abel
- Jeez, I really wonder if Gemma and Clay have something they are hiding about Jax's father's death.
- The overuse of swear words.
- Sheriff Roscoe Foghorn Leghorn
- That stupid theme song that is pretty much just a rip off of Kenny Wayne Shepard's "Blue on Black".
- The fact that the only woman that has been featured thus far (Ep 8), that has gone "against the club" (Opie's Mom), is played by an overweight woman, instead of a hottie. She even has to mention her "fat ass" at one point.
and so much more.
The one phrase that I find myself saying continually during this show is "Oh, come ON!".
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Watch season 3, Bobo, and your head will explode from the inanity.
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Watch season 3, Bobo, and your head will explode from the inanity.
That is if the Celticized version of the show's already shitty theme song doesn't...
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I've started watching this show. It's generally pretty amazing, in that glorious FX coked-out way (Damages excluded).
I'm through season 1. I'm so glad to see that age has done little to dull the continental shelf that is Ron Perlman's brow.
Also? Maggie Siff? Not bad. Not bad at all.
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I've started watching this show. It's generally pretty amazing, in that glorious FX coked-out way (Damages excluded).
I'm through season 1. I'm so glad to see that age has done little to dull the continental shelf that is Ron Perlman's brow.
Also? Maggie Siff? Not bad. Not bad at all.
But that relationship is so silly and unbelievable. Just wait until you get further into the show...
And just wait until you find out her boss' deep dark secret from the past. When it was revealed I thought it was the most unintentionally funny piece of drama I had possible ever seen -- then I saw "Sucker Punch"...
Seriously, if this show were any sillier you'd think you were watching a "Passions" spin off...
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Oh, yeah, Jax-Maggie Siff (I don't even know her character's name) is totally ridiculous and stupid. A girl into biker culture leaves town to go to school. Sure, okay. But that same girl is also a top-of-her-class med student? Uh, maybe. I guess. Then, that same girl takes her talents to the big city, but hooks up with Homicide Detective Holland "Dutch" Wagenbach who stalks her. Uh... now it's getting crazy. So that same girl -- who's now a super intelligent doctor in the big city, mind you -- hightails it back to fumbuck, white trash NorCal? Bwaaaa?
Anyway, my comment about The Siffster was mainly that I think she's very pretty in this show. I don't really care about her storyline or acting ability.
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Further proof of Kurt Sutter's graciousness: http://www.avclub.com/articles/sons-of-anarchys-kurt-sutter-comments-on-emmy-snub,58987/ (http://www.avclub.com/articles/sons-of-anarchys-kurt-sutter-comments-on-emmy-snub,58987/)
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The worse part of not getting an emmy nod. katey [segal] promised me a threesome if she won. now i have to settle for me, her and the shaved bunny. Best part of not getting an emmy nod. now i don't have to pretend i give a shit about the profiteering douchebag academy ... because you know if we were nominated i'd be all humble and blowing smoke up their asses. now i can stay true to myself and just be a dick. my next blog post: HOW NETWORKS BUY EMMYS. stay tuned, it's gonna be delicious... and probably get me fired.
What a little bitch. He said the same thing last year, pretty much.
This is also funny:
Unfortunately, the blog post Sutter later linked too as proof that he was “man of his word” stopped short, with Sutter choosing instead to “drop out of all award conversation.”
Of course. Internet faux tough guy backs down like a wuss.
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Further proof of Kurt Sutter's graciousness: http://www.avclub.com/articles/sons-of-anarchys-kurt-sutter-comments-on-emmy-snub,58987/ (http://www.avclub.com/articles/sons-of-anarchys-kurt-sutter-comments-on-emmy-snub,58987/)
has this jackoff forgotten how comically lame the "SAMCRO in Eire" plot line really was?
The worse part of not getting an emmy nod. katey [segal] promised me a threesome if she won. now i have to settle for me, her and the shaved bunny.[/url]
Who else though he was making a sexual remark? Don't body waxing shops offer the "shaved bunny"?
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Is it just me or has this show actually gotten kind of good in the 4th season? I'm mean it's still racist and homophobic as hell and the violence is still goofy, but I'm actually starting to care (a little) about what happens to the characters.
What gives?
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I think it was decent enough, albeit silly, in the first two seasons. Season 3 was hilariously bad. Now it's back to being decent enough, albeit silly.
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I think it was decent enough, albeit silly, in the first two seasons. Season 3 was hilariously bad. Now it's back to being decent enough, albeit silly.
Is it just me or has this show actually gotten kind of good in the 4th season? I'm mean it's still racist and homophobic as hell and the violence is still goofy, but I'm actually starting to care (a little) about what happens to the characters.
I actually thought last week's episode ("Brick") was the strongest episode the show has ever had. Now that's not saying much (if anything), but at least this season seems to building to something, whereas the previous seasons just chugged along with its silly "'Hamlet' on Harleys" pretensions... For once I'm actually curious to watch "Sons of Anarchy" just to see where it'll go... That typed, I do think the dialog the U.S. Assistant Attorney is incredibly bad. And I'm not sure what I think of the actor in that role. I liked him better in... was he the pastor in "Deadwood" (originally titled "'Cocksucker!': the TV show")?
Now watch it get really fuckin' dumb again...
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I liked him better in... was the the pastor in "Deadwood"
To me, Ray McKinnon as the pastor in Deadwood was one of the most endearing characters on TV ever.
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I don't know who else saw the last episode, so I'll avoid any major spoilers, but I'd say using a reworked version of "Strange Fruit" was a bit of a telegraphed punch via musical cue, no?
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I don't know who else saw the last episode, so I'll avoid any major spoilers, but I'd say using a reworked version of "Strange Fruit" was a bit of a telegraphed punch via musical cue, no?
I thought so, too. I also find it fatally distracting that I'm hearing one of the main stars of the show sing a non-diegetic song.
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This whole business with of Juice (especially the bit with the missing coke) and Tara all of a sudden deciding she's not down with an "old lady" has veered this season safely back into hot mess territory. Which is where it's always been the most comfortable. The ham-fisted appropriation of a song about lynching was the perfect follow up to the acoustic version of "Fortunate Son" as background to the killing of Reyes' son from season 1 (?).
Can't wait for the next episode!
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This whole business with of Juice (especially the bit with the missing coke) and Tara all of a sudden deciding she's not down with an "old lady" has veered this season safely back into hot mess territory. Which is where it's always been the most comfortable. The ham-fisted appropriation of a song about lynching was the perfect follow up to the acoustic version of "Fortunate Son" as background to the killing of Reyes' son from season 1 (?).
Can't wait for the next episode!
Yeah, you're talking about Katey Sagal's cover of the Billie Holliday song "Strange Fruit"... I thought exactly the same thing...
Honest to god, that show picks the strangest cover songs in the closing montages... Sagal's cover of "Son of a Preacher Man" is up there as well... Just fucking mind bending, man...
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So I'm driving down the Garden State Parkway the other day and sure enough, a bunch of idiots on motorcycles were wearing replica Sons of Anarchy "cuts" (?) that had "NEW JERSEY" on the bottom instead of "CALIFORNIA". Nice.
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Just watched Season One. What a show. Most hilarious are the very, very few shots of Ron Perleman actually riding a motorcycle. He looks utterly terrified and its obvious the bikes are cruising a cool 30 mph to accomodate his fear.
Have the following seasons addressed how totally racist biker gang culture is? Or maybe Sutter will write in the 'acceptance' of a new black member into SOA to show that true brotherhood has no colour barriers.
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Well, that was a pretty terrible end to season 4.
It was bad, then good, then really good, then iffy, then terrible.
I actually think I'd take the otherwise excreable season 3 over this. That one ended in incredibly unbelievable, entertaining fashion at least.
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My wife and I have a running bet on who will be playing the girl that Tig ran over's father. I'm saying that they're writing the part for Larry Fishburne, but will probably end up snagging someone from The Wire. My wife is convinced they're gonna get Giancarlo Esposito.
Also kinda bummed that Opie didn't burn down the clubhouse with everyone inside for the finale.
Does it drive anyone else nuts the way Jax walks? It's like the iced coffee prop on Weeds, but a million times more distracting to me.
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Re: The Jax "Walk"
I'm actually even more bothered by his monotone yelling scenes, of which each ep has two.
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Have the following seasons addressed how totally racist biker gang culture is? Or maybe Sutter will write in the 'acceptance' of a new black member into SOA to show that true brotherhood has no colour barriers.
Yes, but it's addressed in as dumb and silly a way as you'd probably expect. Spoilers for a subplot this season: The Sons suddenly start to care that Juice, who has never looked at all white, might have a black father.
It was so, so dumb.
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Well, that was a pretty terrible end to season 4.
It was bad, then good, then really good, then iffy, then terrible.
I actually think I'd take the otherwise excreable season 3 over this. That one ended in incredibly unbelievable, entertaining fashion at least.
I have the last two recorded and I'll watch them back to back. I accidentally read how this season ends, and it sounds really stupid -- even by SoA standards. But I'll still watch it. Whether I'll watch the next season is a different question.
But when I read the summary of the last episode I got really pissed off...
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The problem with the so-called finale this year is that it's not really an episode of television. It's just this ambling, series of character scenes wherein plots from *other* episodes are tied up. There's no real structure or payoff. In short, you can totally tell the last two eps used to be one, but were split up to milk advertising money. Nevermind the fact that they simply didn't have enough story to propel a 14th episode this year.
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This has got to be the worst season finale of SoA in terms of entertainment potential versus real entertainment. Oddly enough, it makes last season (which was just a turd until the final episode) look good by comparison.
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This has got to be the worst season finale of SoA in terms of entertainment potential versus real entertainment. Oddly enough, it makes last season (which was just a turd until the final episode) look good by comparison.
Yeah, I was really anticipating some crazy shit going down and was already wondering how the Sons would do next season since Clay was obviously going to be dead and Jax was going to be a reluctant leader at best. I had figured we'd at least get some sort of great cliffhanger out of the deal, but we got nuthin'.
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Well obviously.
(aka "Zito loses")
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/sons-anarchy-kurt-sutter-fx-win-lawsuit-274294 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/sons-anarchy-kurt-sutter-fx-win-lawsuit-274294)
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My wife and I have a running bet on who will be playing the girl that Tig ran over's father. I'm saying that they're writing the part for Larry Fishburne, but will probably end up snagging someone from The Wire. My wife is convinced they're gonna get Giancarlo Esposito.
Also kinda bummed that Opie didn't burn down the clubhouse with everyone inside for the finale.
Does it drive anyone else nuts the way Jax walks? It's like the iced coffee prop on Weeds, but a million times more distracting to me.
The one friend that I talk SOA with often mock the "Jax Strut." It's maddening.
Sutter's modus operandi is to hire whatever former Deadwood actor is available but that's not an option since the girl wasn't white or asian. Esposito is a good guess but I see him reaching back to The Shield days and going Forrest Whitaker. Last time he went the former Shield route, though,it was an unmitigated disaster. Casting Lem as a club member made SAMCRO look like bigger wimps. He looked like an undercover ATF agent looking to get his cover blown. I still watch the show but I'm tiring of it.
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oops. I was saying that I had no idea that Katy Segall was the one singing "Strange Fruit" or any of the other covers. I have developed a way to, pretty much, tune out the music of SOA. I think it's imperative if you want to enjoy the show because the music is simply horrendous. That said, I have some strange fascination with the theme song. The line, "The crow flies straight, A perfect line..." sticks in my craw and embeds itself in there until I go to bed.
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"The crow flies straight, A perfect line..." sticks in my craw and embeds itself in there until I go to bed.
This line, and how the visual of the switchblade opening that complements it, drives me nuts for some reason too.
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I have just started season three, and I thought the famous divisive author acquitted himself nicely in his cameo.
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I have just started season three, and I thought the famous divisive author acquitted himself nicely in his cameo.
Yeah, I remember enjoying him in that cameo as well. I'm not fan of the bit of his writing I've read, but I've always liked him as a guy...
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I just watched the pilot last night. They have the cleanest, newest looking leather I have ever seen. I'm sticking with it just to see Henry Rollins, but this is the dumbest show I have ever seen.
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I just watched the pilot last night. They have the cleanest, newest looking leather I have ever seen. I'm sticking with it just to see Henry Rollins, but this is the dumbest show I have ever seen.
Just wait.
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I'm on my third consecutive episode of the evening.
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I'm on my third consecutive episode of the evening.
The whole first season kind of sucks. The love interest is super boring and the show grasps for a gravitas that it can't reach.
The second season is more fun, it gets trashier and Rollins/Arkin are engaging
3rd season just came on netflix and I'm excited to watch it!
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into Season 3.
Who the hell ships heavy forestry machinery via cargo plane?!
also, this was the worst:
(http://kickthebobo.com/charmingvsbelfast.jpg)
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I just watched the pilot last night. They have the cleanest, newest looking leather I have ever seen. I'm sticking with it just to see Henry Rollins, but this is the dumbest show I have ever seen.
Rollins is in season two, but you really should stick with it. There are some golden moments of stupid in the third season...
I'm stangely envious of you and your beginning to enter the world of the strangest and most implausible motorcycle club ever...
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into Season 3.
Who the hell ships heavy forestry machinery via cargo plane?!
also, this was the worst:
(http://kickthebobo.com/charmingvsbelfast.jpg)
That just makes me lovethe show even more...
I just loved how a few of them decide to go to Belfast and, well what the fuck, let's all go. I couldn't stop thinking of when Laverne and Shirley moved from Milwaukee and the whole cast up and went as well...
The Third season had my favorite moment of the whole series thus far: The scene in wich we find out the deep dark secret of Tara's boss...
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9 episodes in a row in the bag.
Those white sneakers are killing me. I also love how the only law they uphold is the helmet law - in a town that they basically run.
I love this show now - it's the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen.
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9 episodes in a row in the bag.
Those white sneakers are killing me. I also love how the only law they uphold is the helmet law - in a town that they basically run.
I love this show now - it's the most ridiculous thing I have ever.
Don't forget the show's awesome "Hamlet" pretensions...
It really does grow on you; even as it frustrates you. I was so pissed off afterthe finale to this last season, yet I really cannot wait for season five.
I just cannot get the scene of SAMCRO with RPG's out of my mind...
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I enjoy how Sons of Anarchy is set in a universe where people are either in motorcycle gangs or they're not. And motorcycle gangs -- sorry, MCs -- are even better at franchising than McDonald's! Oh, if only Clay and JT had put their minds to handburgers rather than gun-running.
And yeah, the Chief Lady Doctor being a former old lady is amazing. Almost as "amazing" as Katy Sagal's singing. I love how Sutter shoe-horns those songs in as yet another source of residual income for his little fiefdom.
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And yeah, the Chief Lady Doctor being a former old lady is amazing. Almost as "amazing" as Katy Sagal's singing. I love how Sutter shoe-horns those songs in as yet another source of residual income for his little fiefdom.
Yeah, her rendition of "Son of a Preacher Man" was great. My favorite was still their use of the cover of "Strange Fruit". It's like Sutter doesn't give a shit as to what these songs are actually about...
I also wonder if the cover for the astonishingly misused song "House of the Rising Sun" was performed by Ron Perlman. At points it sure sounds like it could be him...
A question for all: Do you think Sutter gets the camp value of the show or do you think he's crafting something meaningful?
SPOILER ALERT!
As I've typed before, when I got to the lady doctor scene I really did yell "WHAT!?! OH, C"MON!"
And Danny Trejo being a g-man... I'm still pissed about that. Just when the show seemed like something was actually going to happen... Goddammit...
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Re: Sutter
I don't think he gets it at all. He thinks this is high-art. On his Twitter feed rantings, he often cries about the lack of award nominations and once compared Sons's quality to...gasp...Breaking Bad. His cut is on way too tight and is cutting off the air to his brain.
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Re: Sutter
I don't think he gets it at all. He thinks this is high-art.
I don't know whether to think this is awesome of really pathetic...
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Re: Sutter
I don't think he gets it at all. He thinks this is high-art. On his Twitter feed rantings, he often cries about the lack of award nominations and once compared Sons's quality to...gasp...Breaking Bad. His cut is on way too tight and is cutting off the air to his brain.
He tries to have it both ways. He wrote this long rant about how critics simply don't GET what kind of show he's making, which is a silly soap opera with motorcycles, otherwise they'd fairly review it. As if critics need to know what the creator intended for them to properly judge it. And then, like you said, he gets pissy when he loses awards and gets bad reviews.
He's just a giant clusterfuck of dumb and awfulness.
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Looks like it's time to dust off this topic now that Sons of Anarchy has returned with its most sons-of-anarchy-est episode yet.
My stray thoughts:
The episode ranged from delightfully trashy (a nekkid Jimmy Smits) to over the top exploitative/upsetting (burning that guy's daughter alive).
I'm hoping that "that place at the (not at all real) Port of Oakland where the mob kills people" is this season's "hospital interior" where action takes places for no discernible reason other than the producers must have paid a tidy sum to shoot there.
Does anyone else think that Clay buys the motor-trike from Opie to go with the oxygen tank and straight-from-the-bottle-boozing as part of completing his transformation into Piney?
Welcome back, best worst show on TV!
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uh-oh:
http://www.eonline.com/news/349291/sons-of-anarchy-star-johnny-lewis-found-dead-suspected-of-killing-elderly-woman (http://www.eonline.com/news/349291/sons-of-anarchy-star-johnny-lewis-found-dead-suspected-of-killing-elderly-woman)
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So who all started watching the new batch of SoA shows last night?
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So who all started watching the new batch of SoA shows last night?
The school shooting may be the most tone deaf thing I've ever seen on a TV show. A show where a guy kills a guy by drowning him in a bathtub filled with urine shouldn't be the show trying to give us a serious look at violence in our society. Nor did anyone seem all that upset over the shooting. And Dave Navaro.
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The school shooting may be the most tone deaf thing I've ever seen on a TV show. A show where a guy kills a guy by drowning him in a bathtub filled with urine shouldn't be the show trying to give us a serious look at violence in our society.
I know what you mean. Maybe the show should go back to having an entire season where it seems like something is going to happen only to reveal the bad guy iworks for the goverment and resetting the whole show. SoA should be prohibited from trying to make any serious social statement at all.
Nor did anyone seem all that upset over the shooting. And Dave Navaro.
I thought that was him.