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FOT Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: cutout on November 12, 2011, 10:37:30 PM
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http://frankmillerink.com/2011/11/anarchy (http://frankmillerink.com/2011/11/anarchy)
“Occupy” is nothing short of a clumsy, poorly-expressed attempt at anarchy, to the extent that the “movement” – HAH! Some “movement”, except if the word “bowel” is attached - is anything more than an ugly fashion statement by a bunch of iPhone, iPad wielding spoiled brats who should stop getting in the way of working people and find jobs for themselves.
This is no popular uprising. This is garbage. And goodness knows they’re spewing their garbage – both politically and physically – every which way they can find.
Wake up, pond scum. America is at war against a ruthless enemy.
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(http://guy.com/a/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Frank-Miller.jpg)
"WAKE UP POND SCUM"
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Is this a Mamet-esque heel turn or has he always been a conservative dickhead?
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Is OWS the pond scum or the ruthless enemy?
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Who can parse it? It's as poorly written as a Frank Miller comic.
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Is this a Mamet-esque heel turn or has he always been a conservative dickhead?
I'm not real familiar with his views from the 80's except pretty much all his work has strong misogynistic undertones.
But he recently released a graphic novel called "Holy Terror!" that was originally going to be Batman taking on Al Qaeda. DC wisely declined it. So Miller inserted his new Batman surrogate into it. The book has all shades of Islamophobia.
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Is this a Mamet-esque heel turn or has he always been a conservative dickhead?
According to my Twitter feed, the second.
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Is this a Mamet-esque heel turn or has he always been a conservative dickhead?
Yeah, he's been a conservative dickhead for as long as I can remember.
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Is this a Mamet-esque heel turn or has he always been a conservative dickhead?
I think it has always been lurking close to the surface of Miller's being...
And what is with the raised eyebrow? Is he trying to impersonate Frank Gaffney?
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Who can parse it? It's as poorly written as a Frank Miller comic.
I'm inclined to remember Alan Moore's description of "300": "... it was racist, it was homophobic, and above all it was sublimely stupid. ..."
Source: (http://www.slashfilm.com/alan-moore-still-not-watching-the-watchmen/ (http://www.slashfilm.com/alan-moore-still-not-watching-the-watchmen/))
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My favorite line about 300 came from Sarah Silverman: "They titled it after its rating on a gayness scale of 1 to 10."
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My favorite line about 300 came from Sarah Silverman: "They titled it after its rating on a gayness scale of 1 to 10."
I haven't heard that one. That's exactly what we've come to expect from Silverman: spot on.
I've never read the comic, nor have I Seen the movie. I couldn't stop laughing at every clip I saw. I looked... Well, as Moore put it, "sublimely stupid"...
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The Comics Journal once described Miller's 80s/early 90s politics as "mugged liberal," which I think was once apt. He satirized Reagan in The Dark Knight Returns; his portrayals of corruption in Daredevil and Batman: Year One were boilerplate old-school liberal along the lines of Jimmy Breslin; and Give Me Liberty, despite its Objectivist influences, is pretty rough on conservatives and corporate hegemony. In one of the storylines, he has a Reaganite Republican president preside over a civil war and lose power as a left-liberal takes over. Miller seems to sympathize with the left-liberal president but shows how completely ineffective he is.
I think he became a moron long before he became a conservative, though, and 9/11 just pointed him in a direction. I found Sin City and 300 unreadable self-parody, and his late-90s sequels to Give Me Liberty and Dark Knight were just dumb, dumb, dumb.
The irony of this is, in the Randian utopia Miller portrayed in GML, he depicted a cross between the General Assembly meetings at OWS and Rock-'Em-Sock-'Em Robots. I guess maybe if the Occupiers wore exo-skeletons and fought he'd be OK with it all?
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I love Frank Miller, the cartoonist (and sometimes the writer) so reading all of this really bummed me out.
I mean, if he went nuts on OWS, then okay, he would be getting into that gross John Byrne-zone but then he gets to Al-Qaeda stuff and people should enroll. I mean, when he was the protesters's age, that guy was learning his craft from Neal Adams.
And now he's a millionnaire thanks to his books.
What a weird old fart.
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Oh man, Neal Adams... that guy is a whole other kind of crank.
http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html (http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html)
http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/debate-with-hallow-earth-proponent-neal-adams/ (http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/debate-with-hallow-earth-proponent-neal-adams/)
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Frank Miller getting people's mic'ed at a comic convention would rule. "Well, what we were trying to do with Sin City 2 was --" "MIC CHECK! WE HAVE A MESSAGE FOR FRANK MILLER. YOU CAPITALIZE ON DIVIDING AMERICANS. YOU PROMOTE DISCRIMINATION. THIS DOES NOT HELP THE AMERICAN PEOPLE..."
And speaking of lunatics who write or draw comic books, I wonder what Dave Sim thinks of OWS.
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"Tap the Brakes, Frank Miller" almost sounds like the name of a Judy Blume novel.
But yeah, Frank Miller just scares me at this point. I would have loved to have seen how he was going to ruin Buck Rogers, though.
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Alan Moore was always better.
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Oh man, Neal Adams... that guy is a whole other kind of crank.
http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html (http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html)
http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/debate-with-hallow-earth-proponent-neal-adams/ (http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/debate-with-hallow-earth-proponent-neal-adams/)
He's nuts, but its a pleasant, weird-science out-there, type of nuts which I dont mind. When Neal Adams got older, he shamed DC into giving Shuster and Siegel money, charges outrageous prices for con-sketches, writes and draws even nuttier Batman comics. (he also talks about himself in the 3rd person! he's almost from Newbridge, but sort of pleasant).
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Also, has anyone been reading Adams' Batman:Odyssey? I haven't, but the coverage of it at http://comicsalliance.com (http://comicsalliance.com) is pretty hilarious.
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Also, has anyone been reading Adams' Batman:Odyssey? I haven't, but the coverage of it at http://comicsalliance.com (http://comicsalliance.com) is pretty hilarious.
I have! Its crazy, but the art is awesome. It makes no sense whatsoever but seeing all those crazy Batman ideas straight from his brain are sort of fun.
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Since this has become a comics in general thread:
I read Comics Alliance and like it. I'm sure that a writer there, Chris Sims, is a Best Show fan as I believe he called up not too long ago.
What are other good comic book news websites that aren't just cheesecake pinups and rewritten press releases?
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Yes, Chris Sims is an FOT and FOEFD, and I think maybe related to Jason from Huntsville? Though Jason might have been pulling my leg.
I read Newsarama and Comic Book Resources, but they're not really as good as Comics Alliance. I like the Agent of S.T.Y.L.E. column in the former and the Comic Book Legends Revealed column in the latter, though.
Pretty good take on the Frank Miller controversy from the underrated Ty Templeton:
(http://tytempletonart.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/frank-miller-funnies-websize-rev.jpg)
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(http://cdn.theatlanticwire.com/img/upload/2011/11/13/rtr22jvd/large.jpg)
Frank Miller is keeping an eye on you, pond scum.
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Classic Jeff Wells (http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2011/11/political_dumps.php):
Asshole With Pork-Pie Hat
Comic-book illustrator and noir-style film director Frank Miller has dug himself a grave and is now lying flat in the mud and waiting for the dirt. I always thought Miller was an aesthetic lightweight and a sleazy masturbatory noir fetishist, but now that he's shown himself to be a Merle Haggard-style reactionary in terms of his views on the Occupy movement, he's a dead man.
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Hey, unfair to Merle.
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Hey, unfair to Merle.
Yeah!
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Hey, unfair to Merle.
Yeah!
Thirded
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I prefer my reactionaries Merle Allin styled.
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I prefer my reactionaries Merle Allin styled.
Yeah!
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"Tap the Brakes, Frank Miller" almost sounds like the name of a Judy Blume novel.
First, this made me snarf loud enough that my co-worker came over to see if I needed help. Hilarious. Second, I think he's always been a creepy misogynistic asshole, but he had editors keeping him in check. Then he got big enough to shout down anyone who disagreed with him, and you have stuff like "The Spirit" movie.
edit: and "Holy Terror," ferchrissakes
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David Brin rebuts Frank Miller by way of reviewing 300:
http://davidbrin.wordpress.com/2011/11/13/move-over-frank-miller-or-why-the-occupy-wall-street-kids-are-better-than-spartans/ (http://davidbrin.wordpress.com/2011/11/13/move-over-frank-miller-or-why-the-occupy-wall-street-kids-are-better-than-spartans/)
'...this is not just artistic license. “300″ idolizes the same arrogant contempt for citizenship that eventually ruined classical Greece and Republican Rome, and that might bring the same fate to America.'
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man, i must be the only person who liked 300 :(
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First, this made me snarf loud enough that my co-worker came over to see if I needed help.
Same here. I almost never snort out loud like that but that's twice in one week, thanks to ChrisRawk and this one by cavorting with nudists (http://friendsoftom.com/forum/index.php/topic,4075.msg185443.html#msg185443).
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"Tap the Brakes, Frank Miller" almost sounds like the name of a Judy Blume novel.
First, this made me snarf loud enough that my co-worker came over to see if I needed help. Hilarious. Second, I think he's always been a creepy misogynistic asshole, but he had editors keeping him in check. Then he got big enough to shout down anyone who disagreed with him, and you have stuff like "The Spirit" movie.
edit: and "Holy Terror," ferchrissakes
I've heard from an ex-Marvel editor that worked with him in the 80s (but no longer speaks to him) that he used to be a nice, soft-spoken guy, and that this FM doesn't seem like the same person.
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Hah:
(http://i.imgur.com/pnvjo.jpg)
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First, this made me snarf loud enough that my co-worker came over to see if I needed help.
Same here. I almost never snort out loud like that but that's twice in one week, thanks to ChrisRawk and this one by cavorting with nudists (http://friendsoftom.com/forum/index.php/topic,4075.msg185443.html#msg185443).
Glad to be of service, kind sir.
man, i must be the only person who liked 300 :(
I remember liking the movie when it first came out. I'm very curious to see what Snyder does with Superman.
Is HOLY TERROR as insane as I'm imagining it in my head?
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Oh man, Neal Adams... that guy is a whole other kind of crank.
http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html (http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html)
http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/debate-with-hallow-earth-proponent-neal-adams/ (http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/debate-with-hallow-earth-proponent-neal-adams/)
Duuude... You should track down the interview with Neil Admas done by Steve Novella on the podcast "The Skeptic's Guide to the Universe". It was done several years ago and it is wholly worth listening to. But you're right, that cat is out there... Not quite to the level of... say Dave Sim, but out there...
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Oh man, Neal Adams... that guy is a whole other kind of crank.
http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html (http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html)
http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/debate-with-hallow-earth-proponent-neal-adams/ (http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/debate-with-hallow-earth-proponent-neal-adams/)
Duuude... You should track down the interview with Neil Admas done by Steve Novella on the podcast "The Skeptic's Guide to the Universe". It was done several years ago and it is wholly worth listening to. But you're right, that cat is out there... Not quite to the level of... say Dave Sim, but out there...
Yeah, that interview was where I became aware of his current interests. He is the perfect example of that axiom about people's actual knowledge of a given subject being inversely proportional to their confidence in what they know.
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Alan Moore – meet the man behind the protest mask
From Wall St to Athens and Occupy sit-ins worldwide, protesters are wearing masks inspired by V for Vendetta. Here, its author discusses why his avenging hero has such potency today
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/nov/27/alan-moore-v-vendetta-mask-protest?CMP=twt_gu (http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/nov/27/alan-moore-v-vendetta-mask-protest?CMP=twt_gu)
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Alan Moore responds to Fedora McScowly:
“As far as I can see, the Occupy movement is just ordinary people reclaiming rights which should always have been theirs. I can’t think of any reason why as a population we should be expected to stand by and see a gross reduction in the living standards of ourselves and our kids, possibly for generations, when the people who have got us into this have been rewarded for it; they’ve certainly not been punished in any way because they’re too big to fail. I think that the Occupy movement is, in one sense, the public saying that they should be the ones to decide who’s too big to fail. It’s a completely justified howl of moral outrage and it seems to be handled in a very intelligent, non-violent way, which is probably another reason why Frank Miller would be less than pleased with it. I’m sure if it had been a bunch of young, sociopathic vigilantes with Batman make-up on their faces, he’d be more in favour of it. We would definitely have to agree to differ on that one.”
http://www.badhaven.com/comics/comic-news/alan-moore-responds-to-frank-millers-occupy-rant/ (http://www.badhaven.com/comics/comic-news/alan-moore-responds-to-frank-millers-occupy-rant/)
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I'm assuming this is the type of hoodlum Alan Moore was referring to ("young, sociopathic vigilantes with Batman make-up on their faces"):
(http://www.faceandbodypainting.com/sitebuilder/images/batman_yellow2-176x250.jpg)
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As much as I don't agree with/believe most of Moore's rants, I love it when he emerges from his crazy weed cloud to issue them.
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As much as I don't agree with/believe most of Moore's rants, I love it when he emerges from his crazy weed cloud to issue them.
The rants come from little voice of the wizzards living in his beard...