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FOT Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: mostlymeat on December 01, 2011, 11:36:19 AM
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I was saddened to hear Tom's dismissal of one of America's greatest singer/songwriters, Bob Seger. Granted, "Old Time R&R" and "Katmandu" aren't so hot, but what artist hasn't made a mistep? Seger worked his ass off for years before breaking through, and his '60s stuff is as raw & rocking as any of his Detroit contemporaries. If you can't get behind the 2 minutes and 10 seconds of stomping awesomeness that is Ramblin' Gamblin' Man then I'm a monkeys uncle!
http://youtu.be/r2aBOTNGWMY (http://youtu.be/r2aBOTNGWMY)
Some of the lesser known greats from this era - check out "Lucifer" :
Bob Seger System - Lucifer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMQmSvKQpUs#)
and of course the ragin' anti-war "2+2 is on My Mind":
Bob Seger System "2+2" with Vietnam Footage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2duz_H0jvI&feature=related#)
The schlockier '70s stuff is is really good too - "Night Moves" is written from the heart and is something we can all identify with. That song has a strange tone, somewhere between nostalgia and regret? I totally lived that song. I guess it's corny heartland stuff, but I can't see liking The Boss and hating on Seger - what gives, man?
In the bay area there is a great Bob Seger tribute band that really slays (featuring members of local faves Drunk Horse, Howlin' Rain, and Personal & The Pizzas) called TOTAL BS, they are worth checking out if you get the chance....
http://www.facebook.com/pages/TOTAL-BS/118173648203255 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/TOTAL-BS/118173648203255)
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I was saddened to hear Tom's dismissal of one of America's greatest singer/songwriters, Bob Seger.
Also when Tom was listening to "Her Strut" and said "I don't know what he's singing about", the lyric was "They do respect her butt".
Which is hilarious.
-Ajax
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I was saddened to hear Tom's dismissal of one of America's greatest singer/songwriters, Bob Seger.
Also when Tom was listening to "Her Strut" and said "I don't know what he's singing about", the lyric was "They do respect her butt".
Which is hilarious.
-Ajax
Actually, I think it's "but" with one "t" - as in "I do respect her but I love to watch her strut."
Which isn't much better, but is at least a little less dumb.
I love Seger as well, but I think it's at least partially a function of my being from the midwest.
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Man, for years I've thought it was "butt," which is gross and misogynist but almost witty in a way.
I discovered early Seger through Masterofsparks, and it's pretty great. And since I've started listening to EFD's show, I feel better about his early-80s stuff like "Turn The Page" (along with late-70s/early-80s AOR in general -- whatever you would call those Power Pop/Prog/Queen-influenced bands that were all over the radio when I was in junior high -- Red Ryder, J. Geils Band, Jefferson Starship, Golden Earring, Styx, etc).
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I was saddened to hear Tom's dismissal of one of America's greatest singer/songwriters, Bob Seger.
Also when Tom was listening to "Her Strut" and said "I don't know what he's singing about", the lyric was "They do respect her butt".
Which is hilarious.
-Ajax
Actually, I think it's "but" with one "t" - as in "I do respect her but I love to watch her strut."
This lyrical interpretation has officially blown my mind. My whole life I thought they were respecting her butt, and that's what guy do, they respect butts. But maybe they respect women but also enjoy looking at them?
If this is true then I've lived my whole life wrong.
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If I could have but one Best Show-related Christmas Wish this year, it would be for Samir to be forced to speak with his real American accent and not the terribly phony English one he uses when he calls.
But if I could have TWO Best Show-related Christmas Wishes this year, the second one would be for Tom to sing "Still The Same" on an episode. It could be a powerful experience. I thought it was actually going to happen at the end of that episode, but the song ended up not being on the collection Tom had in front of him.
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Man, for years I've thought it was "butt," which is gross and misogynist but almost witty in a way.
I suspect that Bob intended for there to be a double meaning. But we can never know for sure. The only ones who will ever know are Bob, his local clergyman, and his Ford truck.
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On a separate note, I've mentioned this elsewhere on the board, but(t) feel like I need to insert it anywhere discussion of Bob Seger arises: He wrote a song called "Ballad of the Yellow Beret" which laces into anyone who dodged the Vietnam draft. As much I as I like "Hollywood Nights", and I confess I do, Bob Seger can go suck a baker's dozen of eggs.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc9IgzRKOMA)
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Man, for years I've thought it was "butt," which is gross and misogynist but almost witty in a way.
his Ford truck.
HOW DARE YOU.
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On a separate note, I've mentioned this elsewhere on the board, but(t) feel like I need to insert it anywhere discussion of Bob Seger arises: He wrote a song called "Ballad of the Yellow Beret" which laces into anyone who dodged the Vietnam draft. As much I as I like "Hollywood Nights", and I confess I do, Bob Seger can go suck a baker's dozen of eggs.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc9IgzRKOMA)
No reduction in the number of eggs for later releasing one of the most powerful anti-war songs of its time?
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On a separate note, I've mentioned this elsewhere on the board, but(t) feel like I need to insert it anywhere discussion of Bob Seger arises: He wrote a song called "Ballad of the Yellow Beret" which laces into anyone who dodged the Vietnam draft. As much I as I like "Hollywood Nights", and I confess I do, Bob Seger can go suck a baker's dozen of eggs.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc9IgzRKOMA)
No reduction in the number of eggs for later releasing one of the most powerful anti-war songs of its time?
"Two years after Yellow Beret was released, the hawkishness would give way to the scorching war protest, "2+2+=?" In that sense, Seger made the same journey many of us did...from scoffing at antiwar protesters to joining them. (Later, he recounts that journey on Mongrel's "Leaning On My Dream," in which the song's narrator goes from yelling at the protesters to yelling with the protesters.)"
http://www.segerfile.com/singles.html (http://www.segerfile.com/singles.html)
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If I could have but one Best Show-related Christmas Wish this year, it would be for Samir to be forced to speak with his real American accent and not the terribly phony English one he uses when he calls.
I wonder about this too. Tom is always hassling people for using fake accents but Samir always gets a pass. Why? Maybe he saved Tom's life in the war or something.
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Didn't Tom sing a Seger song at one of the post-WFMU marathon shows?
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Didn't Tom sing a Seger song at one of the post-WFMU marathon shows?
No ... he sang TWO Seeger songs (http://wfmu.org/listen.ram?show=30685&archive=49109&starttime=5:01:59). (Link opens up Real Player).
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On a separate note, I've mentioned this elsewhere on the board, but(t) feel like I need to insert it anywhere discussion of Bob Seger arises: He wrote a song called "Ballad of the Yellow Beret" which laces into anyone who dodged the Vietnam draft. As much I as I like "Hollywood Nights", and I confess I do, Bob Seger can go suck a baker's dozen of eggs.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc9IgzRKOMA)
No reduction in the number of eggs for later releasing one of the most powerful anti-war songs of its time?
"Two years after Yellow Beret was released, the hawkishness would give way to the scorching war protest, "2+2+=?" In that sense, Seger made the same journey many of us did...from scoffing at antiwar protesters to joining them. (Later, he recounts that journey on Mongrel's "Leaning On My Dream," in which the song's narrator goes from yelling at the protesters to yelling with the protesters.)"
http://www.segerfile.com/singles.html (http://www.segerfile.com/singles.html)
Fine. Three eggs.
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Seger: "Her Strut was written about Jane Fonda...at the time she was going to some congressional hearings with her husband, Tom Hayden, talking about the Campaign for Economic Democracies...I was quite proud of her for doing that. I admired her crust...for going in there and having the strength to speak her mind, so I kind of wrote 'Her Strut' for an eighties woman...you know, it was the dawn of the eighties, and I wanted to write a song about how women have become so confident and stepped out so much, and I thought Jane was a great role model." Radio Interview: In the Studio with Redbeard for Against the Wind.
Critic Dave Marsh objected to "Her Strut" as sexist, a charge Seger disputes.
"Saying 'I love to watch her strut' is almost an automatic sexist thing. I really struggled with that. But I loved the hardness of the word 'strut' in the song. And I worked real hard on the verses to try to put across the idea that this is not a sexist theme, that what I'm trying to say here is that at the bottom line it's human nature, that men are still gonna love women for being sexual in spite of all this other stuff...I didn't want to look like I was some sort of sexist monster, and I'm not." Dave DiMartino, September 1980, Creem. "Safe At Home Or Against The Wind: Bob Seger Bops Horizontally"
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Wow, he sounds like a cool dude!
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Seger: "Her Strut was written about Jane Fonda...at the time she was going to some congressional hearings with her husband, Tom Hayden, talking about the Campaign for Economic Democracies...I was quite proud of her for doing that. I admired her crust...for going in there and having the strength to speak her mind, so I kind of wrote 'Her Strut' for an eighties woman...you know, it was the dawn of the eighties, and I wanted to write a song about how women have become so confident and stepped out so much, and I thought Jane was a great role model." Radio Interview: In the Studio with Redbeard for Against the Wind.
Critic Dave Marsh objected to "Her Strut" as sexist, a charge Seger disputes.
"Saying 'I love to watch her strut' is almost an automatic sexist thing. I really struggled with that. But I loved the hardness of the word 'strut' in the song. And I worked real hard on the verses to try to put across the idea that this is not a sexist theme, that what I'm trying to say here is that at the bottom line it's human nature, that men are still gonna love women for being sexual in spite of all this other stuff...I didn't want to look like I was some sort of sexist monster, and I'm not." Dave DiMartino, September 1980, Creem. "Safe At Home Or Against The Wind: Bob Seger Bops Horizontally"
AWESOME info. Besides, what's sexier than a woman kicking ass? Especially 80's Jane Fonda, dere.
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Hard Hat Radio
Slobs Not Snobs
Dollar Menu Dickens
All of these sound like quotes from someone who absolutely loves Bob Seger.
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Seger: "Her Strut was written about Jane Fonda...at the time she was going to some congressional hearings with her husband, Tom Hayden, talking about the Campaign for Economic Democracies...I was quite proud of her for doing that. I admired her crust...for going in there and having the strength to speak her mind, so I kind of wrote 'Her Strut' for an eighties woman...you know, it was the dawn of the eighties, and I wanted to write a song about how women have become so confident and stepped out so much, and I thought Jane was a great role model." Radio Interview: In the Studio with Redbeard for Against the Wind.
Critic Dave Marsh objected to "Her Strut" as sexist, a charge Seger disputes.
"Saying 'I love to watch her strut' is almost an automatic sexist thing. I really struggled with that. But I loved the hardness of the word 'strut' in the song. And I worked real hard on the verses to try to put across the idea that this is not a sexist theme, that what I'm trying to say here is that at the bottom line it's human nature, that men are still gonna love women for being sexual in spite of all this other stuff...I didn't want to look like I was some sort of sexist monster, and I'm not." Dave DiMartino, September 1980, Creem. "Safe At Home Or Against The Wind: Bob Seger Bops Horizontally"
If the song was really inspired by Fonda, the potential double meaning of "but/butt" becomes even more contentious, since - as already established elsewhere - Fonda ain't got a motor in the back of her Honda.
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I admired her crust...
I really really hope the first draft of the song was called "I love to watch her crust."
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I admired her crust...
I really really hope the first draft of the song was called "I love to watch her crust."
That's a Cain joke.
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I'd like to stuff that crust.
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I detest Bob Seger's commercial heyday. Overly earnest claptrap sung in a voice about as soulful as Michael Bolton's, with music at the level of an Eagle's knock-off band. Probably one of my five least favorite artists of alltime. The unemployed rednecks laying around all over these hills of East Tennessee claim him as a sort of personal philosopher. A blight.
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I like "Hollywood Nights." I'm tolerant of "Katmandu" (for the longest time I thought it was sung by Peter Criss).
I like "Still the Same" and "Night Moves." Some of his other stuff is ok.
Speaking of commercials, I despise "Like a Rock" as though it were written by Mike Kryzyzewski.
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If I could have but one Best Show-related Christmas Wish this year, it would be for Samir to be forced to speak with his real American accent and not the terribly phony English one he uses when he calls.
I wonder about this too. Tom is always hassling people for using fake accents but Samir always gets a pass. Why? Maybe he saved Tom's life in the war or something.
I know! "'Ello, 'ello, 'ow's it gahnn Tammas? Gi' us a cuppa."
How does he let that Panhandler get away with it?
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I have such a soft spot for many Seger songs. "Night Moves" taught me to play an F chord.
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Seger's my dad's all-time favorite. I grew up being subjected to a greatest hits album I got him for his birthday one year. Every single car ride, that tape was played. I think, once, I even lip synched Old Time Rock'n'Roll at a elementary school talent show. That memory has been blocked out, however.
To tie this into rasslin' (like everything else in my life), Her Strut was used as Woman's (later known as Chris Benoit's wife who he killed) theme music when she was managing Doom. These guys were one of my favorite bad ass teams. I can't find their debut where their introduction involved paper mache skulls and dry ice. I'm sure Seger and the boys would approve of this message.
Doom vs. Jobbers WCW (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQlzvp4a1-c#)
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If I could have but one Best Show-related Christmas Wish this year, it would be for Samir to be forced to speak with his real American accent and not the terribly phony English one he uses when he calls.
I wonder about this too. Tom is always hassling people for using fake accents but Samir always gets a pass. Why? Maybe he saved Tom's life in the war or something.
I know! "'Ello, 'ello, 'ow's it gahnn Tammas? Gi' us a cuppa."
How does he let that Panhandler get away with it?
Samir sounds like Leo Gorcey in person so I prefer the fake accent.
I also enjoy Bob Seger.
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"Feel Like a Number" is a soul-stirring anthem for all the world's hard-hats, all the Joe + Jane Lunchpails.
"Shame on the Moon" is a good song for beer drinkin' and cornball sentimentalizin' (Bob didn't write it though).
"Main Street" has a pretty guitar line.
(Okay, I just youtubed "Feel Like a Number". Maybe not as good as I remembered it).
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Of course, I canNOT stomach Old Time Rock-n-Roll. Just makes me shudder.
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That song is just aggravating as hell, not to mention one of those inescapable earworms that's impossible to get rid of. It is literally the one song that has me in the "eh, not a fan" camp on Seger in general, even though I like a lot of his late '60s stuff and some of his assorted AOR singles ("Main Street" especially).
The dumbest thing about "Old Time Rock 'n' Roll" is that once he gets the obligatory meathead disco-sucks verse out of the way, he has to reach for something else that he prefers rock to that'll fit the meter/rhyme scheme, and so in the second verse he's all "yeah, you know what else I can't stand? Doing the tango."
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I even like some of the questionable Seger stuff like "Against the Wind," but I cannot stomach "Old Time Rock & Roll."