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FOT Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: bruce on June 20, 2007, 06:46:41 PM
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There are some picks that are totally spot on
http://music.guardian.co.uk/rock/story/0,,2102991,00.html
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Ian Williams on The STrokes. Priceless. he said everything I was always too pissed off and/or complacent to say.
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Ian Williams on The STrokes. Priceless. he said everything I was always too pissed off and/or complacent to say.
I saw Battles on Monday. I liked it!
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Wow, I'm not surprised I totally disagree with the chucklehead from Franz Ferdinand, nor am I surprised that I kind of agree with the fellow from Art Brut. I'll freely admit that I enjoy a few Stone Roses songs from their debut album, but he's right. They're assholes, and they're overrated for what they were.
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"Take Me Out" always sounded like a variation on that Phil Collins song to me. that song where he goes "It's always the same it's just a shame that's aaallll..." I also thought it sounded a whole lot like the Strokes. Go figure!
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Wait... whuuuuuuut? Craig Finn of the Hold Steady, I don't believe anyone thinks highly enough of LA Woman, not enough to overrate it anyway. Your stoner roommate in college does not count as a credible critic.
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Tupac Shakur All Eyez On Me
Nominated by Mark Ronson, producer
This was Tupac's biggest record, and is seen by rap fans as the greatest latterday hip-hop album.
errr no it's not mark
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Who is this guy? Do you have to be British to have heard of him, or just a yuppie? His website has a pretty long video of him looking tired in a Rough Trade store in London, talking about what albums come up when he Googles himself.
Ronson blogs about meeting NAS:
"anyway, i thought after being there for 2 hours, i'd go up and say hello to nas. i went up and introduced myself (even though we've met a few times). he was a total dick, barely looked at me....(maybe it was that john-blaze jay-z mixtape i made during the height of the beef)."
Yeah, I'm sure that's it. Tosser.
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Actually, I just know Mark Ronson as one of those DJs. His sisters are DJs too. One of them was supposedly having some sort of lesbian affair with La Lohan. I don't know.
He's in Miami often enough. I guess he's considering a celebrity DJ. I think he comes from serious money.
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All I know is anyone who calls Eminem the Dylan of rap is on my s-hit list. Not because I think Dylan is untouchable, or that Eminem is bad. I don't think either of those things. It's that the very concept of a Dylan of rap makes no sense whatsoever. Rap is already about didactic politics and rambling nonsense verse. All of rap is the Dylan of rap. Eminem is just a white dude who doesn't suck.
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Everyone should read Kill Your Idols. Although most of the critics are not critics I usually listen to, it's still interesting. Jim DeRogatis is one of those critics I take with a grain of salt but he has an interesting take on Sgt. Pepper.
http://www.jimdero.com/News2004/July4SgtPeppers.htm
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It seems to me that McCartney was being ironic in "Getting Better" and "Fixing A Hole". Am I alone in this? You'd think a Gen X pro snarker would pick up on that. Like his deconstruction of "Getting Better" is actually just my initial interpretation. Obviously it's not actually getting better. Only stoners wouldn't see that. But it also sort of is. That's why McCartney is interesting, because he's simultaneously optimistic and dark/weird. Billy Childish was kinda right, but I don't hold those qualities against Paul. I don't think he poisoned rock or something. Billy Childish sounds like Power Pop Pop-Pop in that Overrated Albums column.
I'm not feeling this Sgt. Pepper hate. First Scharpling, then Childish, now DeRogatis. I still think it's a pretty good album. "For the Benefit of Mr. Kite" eats it, but so does "Tax Man" off of Revolver. "Tax Man" is one of my least favorite songs ever. Stupid George Harrison doesn't want to pay his bills once he's not poor anymore.
"Lovely Rita Meter Maid", "Good Morning", and "A Day In The Life" are all awesome.
Saying "Tomorrow Never Knows" is better than "A Day In The Life" is about as cliche'd a music-geek statement as can possibly be made. Were they having a contest? Did they unveil "A Day In The Life" and say "Finally! We have a song more psychedelically better than 'Tomorrow Never Knows'!"?
I agree that Pet Sounds is overrated, and the idea that Pet Sounds or even the proto-light-rock of Forever Changes (which I love, but which is saddled with at LEAST as much extraneous orchestration as Sgt. Pepper) might "rock harder" than Sgt. Pepper is just pure bullshit. McCartney is kind of a granny-lover though.
Incidentally, in his book The Psychic Soviet, Ian Svenonious, who has vigorously defended the creative contributions of McCartney to the Beatles, wrote an excellent (semi-tongue-in-cheek-but-not-really) essay on how Dylan going electric was a politically reactionary move wherein he traded in the low-glamour social agency of folk music for the big bucks of pop music.
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Remember that everybody hates something, and collectively, somebody hates everything.
I'm a cynic's cynic, but I don't get this need to tear down things just because everybody thinks they're great. Of course nothing is as great as people think that the first VU record is. But that doesn't mean that it sucks. Most things that are hagiographied by past tastemakers - the things that last - are actually pretty good.
Most of this is just hipsters complaining about mass appeal - as though rejection of mass appeal weren't their reason for being hipsters in the first place. Feh.
"Nobody likes what I like/That's how I like it"
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I'm with you buffcoat. Accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative. In the end, even the best albums can't be as good as their most ardent fans claim they are. That fact doesn't call for constant bashing of good stuff. People end up being paranoid about whether or not what they like is really good and I hate that.
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Searing blurb from Mr. Coyne! He likes Bleach and In Utero more than Nevermind. Yawn. That read like 3rd-rate Chunklet about decade too late. Also: if you wear a bunny suit on stage, you can no longer question the cleverness of others. Go back inside your plastic bubble, Wayne!
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I worked in a used CD store in the DC area, and Ian Svenonius worked there too. Once, he had to be told to go home because he smelled so bad.
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Can someone please explain to me why so many people think Jim Morrison was a talented poet?
The Doors suck like space. Wow. He has GOT to be the most over rated figure in rock history.
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I think people have a respect for Morrison for a bunch of reason. The Doors were super influential on folks like Iggy Pop, David Yow, Joey Ramone and the like. Morrison, despite being a douche, was a drunk asshole that you either had to love or hate. I think now it is more acceptable for that but when they first started they were causing riots and tons of controversy. Its all about perspective. A friend of mine tried to argue that there are people who hate the doors and love Shellac and then there are those who think just the opposite. I am not going to defend the Doors but they have their merit. Will I listen to them a bunch? They didn't last the test of time in a lot of ways as did Iggy with Funhouse and whatnot but Iggy did do some not so great solo stuff.
I thought about everything on the list was about fair as far as saying these records are a bit overhyped minus Marquee Moon. I think it is a great album and the title track may be long but its one of my favorites on that album by far.
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I will always have a soft spot for the Doors. I liked 'em when I was a kid, when Jim Morrison's voice raised a quiver in my prepubescent loins, and I've never gotten over that early thrill. Besides, Lotte Lenya said she liked the Doors' version of "The Alabama Song" the best of all the covers out there, and that counts for something.
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I thought about everything on the list was about fair as far as saying these records are a bit overhyped minus Marquee Moon. I think it is a great album and the title track may be long but its one of my favorites on that album by far.
Could not agree more Marquee Moon.
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Marquee Moon overrated?
How dare you!
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I don't get the complete hatred of The Doors by critics and rock geeks. The albums aren't good, but most 60's bands didn't put out good albums. The double disc greatest hits is just a good collection of 60's singles. Yeah, the band and Jim Morrison are overrated and shouldn't be treated as rock gods, but the songs hold up, at least the ones that make the hits albums. There aren't many bands from that era or any era for that matter that can put together 15-20 songs that stand the test of time. I'm not even a Doors fan, but I know they didn't suck. They just never put out a great album.
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Spend a summer working at a camp kitchen and all your boss plays are Doors tapes. Trust me you will see why there is so much hate for that garbage. I'm not just talking about the regular albums. I'm also including that spoken word crap too.
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Spend a summer working at a camp kitchen and all your boss plays are Doors tapes. Trust me you will see why there is so much hate for that garbage. I'm not just talking about the regular albums. I'm also including that spoken word crap too.
Yeah, but anything you have to listen to over and over is going to suck. I think that's why I don't have a hatred for most classic rock other than Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Metallica (if you can call Metallica classic rock), and The Wall. My parents didn't listen to it and I never had a job where I had to listen to it non-stop. Now, in high school all I heard at sports practices and friends cars were those bands I mentioned and I can't really listen to that anymore. I was never really subjected to an onslaught of Doors so maybe that's why I still have some appreciation for at least the greatest hits discs. But, being forced to listen to the albums and the spoken word crap would be unbearable. Ouch. I do have one friend that claims the Doors don't have a bad song in their catalog, but luckily he's respectful enough to listen to it on his own time!
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Can someone please explain to me why so many people think Jim Morrison was a talented poet?
"But I like The Doors more now than I did a couple of years ago. I liked Morrison's voice. It sounded like Andy williams. There's nothing wrong with Andy Williams' voice. It's a nice voice . It's his pullovers I don't like." http://kinks.it.rit.edu/misc/articles/warhol.html
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Spend a summer working at a camp kitchen and all your boss plays are Doors tapes. Trust me you will see why there is so much hate for that garbage. I'm not just talking about the regular albums. I'm also including that spoken word crap too.
Yeah, but anything you have to listen to over and over is going to suck. I think that's why I don't have a hatred for most classic rock other than Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Metallica (if you can call Metallica classic rock), and The Wall. My parents didn't listen to it and I never had a job where I had to listen to it non-stop. Now, in high school all I heard at sports practices and friends cars were those bands I mentioned and I can't really listen to that anymore. I was never really subjected to an onslaught of Doors so maybe that's why I still have some appreciation for at least the greatest hits discs. But, being forced to listen to the albums and the spoken word crap would be unbearable. Ouch. I do have one friend that claims the Doors don't have a bad song in their catalog, but luckily he's respectful enough to listen to it on his own time!
Yeah, but there is a key difference. Led Zeppelin and Jim E Hendrix are awesome, and the Dewers are terrible.
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Yeah, but there is a key difference. Led Zeppelin and Jim E Hendrix are awesome, and the Dewers are terrible.
I've never bought into Led Zeppelin as awesome. It sounds like the Grateful Dead turned up a few notches and a 15 year old boy writing the lyrics.
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Sf Sorrow by the Pretty Things.
I hate you SF Sorrow!
How dare you be considered a lost classic.