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Title: Antichrist
Post by: B_Buster on November 12, 2009, 03:32:06 PM
Started watching this last night on IFC on Demand and couldn't stay awake after The Prologue which is basically a bad porno/music video. I will revisit mainly because I'm curious whether the Stunt Doubles' genitals are included in the credits.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: SJK on November 12, 2009, 04:18:40 PM
I saw this movie in the spring, having heard nothing about it or having watched the trailer. I basically needed to mace myself after the film was over, just to distract my mind from any memory of what I had seen. Terrible. I highly don't recommend it.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: Chris L on November 12, 2009, 04:31:56 PM
This never showed up on Comcast's IFC On Demand section where I live.  Maybe they were worried people would see the title and mistake it for a lighthearted family film.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: Kid Pain on November 12, 2009, 04:41:08 PM
It certainly is boring for such a shocking film.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: B_Buster on November 12, 2009, 05:01:55 PM
This never showed up on Comcast's IFC On Demand section where I live.  Maybe they were worried people would see the title and mistake it for a lighthearted family film.

It didn't show up when it was supposed to on my Cablevision service either, Chris L. And the description for the movie is just a frantic warning. Sort of like those warning signs you see on the doors of adult bookstores. Von Trier really dropped the ball on this one. He should have distributed vomit bags at showings to build up the hype.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: Keith Whitener on November 12, 2009, 06:36:00 PM
I thought this thread was going to be about Nietzsche.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: Kim Kelly on November 12, 2009, 06:39:13 PM
I don't know why, but I feel oddly proud that I was the first person to tell Mike about Antichrist. During our call-screening chit-chat session a few months ago, I brought it up, and he hadn't heard about it!

By the way, was that Antichrist: the Video Game thing real or a joke? Just wondering!
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: daveB from Oakland on November 12, 2009, 07:50:22 PM
Whether or not this film lives up to it's supposed shock value ... it sounds like a pretty miserable experience either way.

I hated the hell out of Breaking the Waves. The one with Björk was okay, 'cuz Björk was in it. The Five Obstructions was fun, mostly because Von Trier cast himself as a stooge rather than a sicko.

I think that's all the Von Trier I've seen ... I'm fine if I don't see any more.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: Omar on November 12, 2009, 09:55:33 PM
Started watching this last night on IFC on Demand and couldn't stay awake after The Prologue which is basically a bad porno/music video. I will revisit mainly because I'm curious whether the Stunt Doubles' genitals are included in the credits.

Disgraceful.  Show some respect to film Artists like Mr. von Trier.  Perhaps you should stick to A&E docu-reality-junk!
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: B_Buster on November 13, 2009, 12:05:56 AM
Before the blood started flowing in Antichrist and things were kind of slow, I thought to myself, "You know what would be cool? What if those two dudes from Old Joy suddenly showed up at the cabin before all the genital mutilation began?" It would have been a whole other movie, but I think I would have enjoyed it much more than both Old Joy and Antichrist.

Therefore, I cannot recommend Antichrist to anyone without a strong interest in human malignacy like myself. Fans of writhing might also enjoy it. There is more writhing in this movie than I have ever seen before.

Oh yeah, the stunt doubles were in the credits.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 13, 2009, 07:22:14 AM
Started watching this last night on IFC on Demand and couldn't stay awake after The Prologue which is basically a bad porno/music video. I will revisit mainly because I'm curious whether the Stunt Doubles' genitals are included in the credits.

Disgraceful.  Show some respect to film Artists like Mr. von Trier.  Perhaps you should stick to A&E docu-reality-junk!

Agreed! I loved Breaking the Waves, and the original version of The Kingdom is fun from start to stop. Dogville's interesting, too.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: B_Buster on November 13, 2009, 10:49:08 AM
I liked Breaking the Waves, Dancer in the Dark, and what I've seen of The Kingdom (I think I only saw the first part or season).

Dogville was interesting until the dopey ending.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: Kid Pain on November 13, 2009, 11:14:10 AM


Agreed! I loved Breaking the Waves, and the original version of The Kingdom is fun from start to stop the end of the open credits. Dogville's interesting, too.

ONE TWO THREE FOUR FIVE SIX SEVEN EIGHT KING-DOM
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: Chris L on November 13, 2009, 11:24:20 AM
I liked EUROPA. Visually, it's so stylized it almost looks like a precursor to Sin City.  That villainous doctor from The Kingdom is also in it.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: Omar on November 13, 2009, 04:11:16 PM
I liked Breaking the Waves, Dancer in the Dark, and what I've seen of The Kingdom (I think I only saw the first part or season).

Dogville was interesting until the dopey ending.

Do you define the "dopey ending" as the "Young Americans" montage or also stuff before that?  I like the film a lot, but hated the montage, an O. Stone-like hammer to the head.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: B_Buster on November 13, 2009, 04:23:49 PM
I include the Bonnie & Clyde homage and the Young Americans montage.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: Martin on November 13, 2009, 07:53:49 PM
I liked EUROPA. Visually, it's so stylized it almost looks like a precursor to Sin City.  That villainous doctor from The Kingdom is also in it.


Chris L is referring to ERNST-HUGO JÄREGÅRD, one of the most amazing thespians ever to come out of Sweden. He completely dominates THE KINGDOM, of course, but he's done so much more stuff on the golden silver screen in Sweden it's nuts.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: effecT on November 14, 2009, 07:50:24 AM
A little bit off topic , but did you see "The White Ribbon" by any chance and do you like Michael Haneke, Mike?
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: B_Buster on November 14, 2009, 09:57:14 AM
I haven't seen The White Ribbon. I have seen Cache and The Piano Teacher which I thought were OK. I have Time of the Wolf, Code Unknown, and Funny Games in my Netflix list.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: effecT on November 14, 2009, 10:05:12 AM
I would suggest you Haneke's adaptation of "The Castle" by Kafka with the late Ulrich Mühe and the new "Funny Games", also White Ribbon is truly a deserving winner of Cannes. :D
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: crumbum on November 14, 2009, 09:22:43 PM
Mike, definitely check out Time of the Wolf. Of the Haneke movies I've seen I liked it best by a long shot. It's pretty bleak but not at all cynical in the way some of his other movies are. For once he seems to hold out hope that humanity might have a few good qualities.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: waltkellysghost on November 15, 2009, 01:17:01 AM
Haven't seen it yet. Though here at our local independent theater in Nashville, a bunch of youngsters from a Nazarene University came by bus to see a midnight showing of "Ferris Bueller's Day Off". When they sat down giggling for their dose of John Hughes, they were treated to a preview of "Anti-Christ". Apparently half of them walked out before Bueller even began.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: effecT on November 15, 2009, 04:28:06 AM
Haven't seen it yet. Though here at our local independent theater in Nashville, a bunch of youngsters from a Nazarene University came by bus to see a midnight showing of "Ferris Bueller's Day Off". When they sat down giggling for their dose of John Hughes, they were treated to a preview of "Anti-Christ". Apparently half of them walked out before Bueller even began.


What a bunch of lady-men and men-ladies.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 17, 2009, 02:58:38 PM
Haven't seen it yet. Though here at our local independent theater in Nashville, a bunch of youngsters from a Nazarene University came by bus to see a midnight showing of "Ferris Bueller's Day Off". When they sat down giggling for their dose of John Hughes, they were treated to a preview of "Anti-Christ". Apparently half of them walked out before Bueller even began.


Hey, I am from Nashville! And I used to go to church at that Nazerene College (it's called Trevecca). And I will be in Nashville tomorrow, on the very same Murfreesboro Road that Trevecca perches on. Wanna have me over for dinner?
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: kittykittymeowmixhead on November 25, 2009, 10:22:03 AM
I hated Breaking the Waves and Dogville. Kingdom is cool, and I haven't seen Dancer in the Dark - I actually get anxious about watching movies that I know will depress me - that's one of them. This Antichrist sounds like a mockery or something. I took my copy of Dogville out of my DVD player and deposited it directly in the garbage. I can't get those 3 hours back! (if this movie wasn't 3 hours long, it sure felt like it). Yuck!
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: B_Buster on November 25, 2009, 11:22:31 AM
I wouldn't advise any women seeing Antichrist (and that's not a dare or challenge to the strong-stomached ladies out there either). The image of She mutilating herself is far worse than what He receives. It is a horrific image that will probably haunt you for a long time. Now that I think about it, I wouldn't advise any men seeing Antichrist either.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: effecT on November 25, 2009, 05:02:28 PM
I wouldn't advise any women seeing Antichrist (and that's not a dare or challenge to the strong-stomached ladies out there either). The image of She mutilating herself is far worse than what He receives. It is a horrific image that will probably haunt you for a long time. Now that I think about it, I wouldn't advise any men seeing Antichrist either.
I can confirm this assessment. I have had frequent daymares about this scene.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: waltkellysghost on December 01, 2009, 06:34:00 PM


Sorry again Dave...I need to check the FoT posts more often. I would definetly get you some dinner. It seems like you frequent Nashville quite a bit. At some point dinner will happen. Get ready for some catfish sammiches!
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: Matt on December 12, 2009, 06:18:42 PM
Finally got to see this last night. It was a lot dumber than I'd anticipated.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: harris on December 15, 2009, 07:43:21 AM
Wasn't there going to be a third installment of the Dogville trilogy?
I thought the film was boring. I wish I could say more but I struggled finishing it. I hate when I like a director and then like five minutes into their new film I realize that maybe I don't like this director.
Based on his recent films I can gather that he liked to torcher women mentally then let them retaliate very physically.

The White Ribbon looks incredible. I have nothing but anticipation for that film.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: Sarah on December 15, 2009, 08:46:59 AM
Antichrist costs too much for me on IFC on Demand right now ($6!), so I'll be waiting till it goes on sale.  I have no doubt, though, that once it's cheap enough for my tastes I'll be watching it.  Not only am I regularly irresistibly drawn to grotesquerie, I've liked/respected/been fascinated despite myself by most of Mr. von Trier's output, so I can't see giving this one a miss regardless of how revolting it seems to be.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: B_Buster on December 15, 2009, 10:32:50 AM
Antichrist costs too much for me on IFC on Demand right now ($6!), so I'll be waiting till it goes on sale.  I have no doubt, though, that once it's cheap enough for my tastes I'll be watching it.  Not only am I regularly irresistibly drawn to grotesquerie, I've liked/respected/been fascinated despite myself by most of Mr. von Trier's output, so I can't see giving this one a miss regardless of how revolting it seems to be.

OK, Sarah, but don't blame me when that horrible image becomes permanently seared to your brain (mind? consciousness? It's tricky, isn't it?). You've been warned.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: Sarah on December 15, 2009, 06:19:45 PM
What, you mean you aren't responsible for my choices?  This comes as a tremendous shock to me. 
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: B_Buster on December 15, 2009, 08:20:38 PM
Of course not. But shouldn't we look out for each others' backs in the FOT community? That's how I roll.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: Matthew_S on March 02, 2010, 01:23:08 PM
This movie just arrived  (or I just noticed it) on Netflix's streaming service.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: jbissell on March 02, 2010, 03:15:07 PM
This movie just arrived  (or I just noticed it) on Netflix's streaming service.

I watched it over the weekend. Thought some of the stuff was pretty funny, but most of it I would've been fine without seeing. Gainsbourg was really good, too bad the movie was pretty boring.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: Joe Rogaine on March 03, 2010, 01:45:46 AM
Antichrist costs too much for me on IFC on Demand right now ($6!), so I'll be waiting till it goes on sale.  I have no doubt, though, that once it's cheap enough for my tastes I'll be watching it.  Not only am I regularly irresistibly drawn to grotesquerie, I've liked/respected/been fascinated despite myself by most of Mr. von Trier's output, so I can't see giving this one a miss regardless of how revolting it seems to be.

OK, Sarah, but don't blame me when that horrible image becomes permanently seared to your brain (mind? consciousness? It's tricky, isn't it?). You've been warned.

Image? You mean images.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: Joe Rogaine on March 03, 2010, 01:49:39 AM
I would suggest you Haneke's adaptation of "The Castle" by Kafka with the late Ulrich Mühe and the new "Funny Games", also White Ribbon is truly a deserving winner of Cannes. :D


The new Funny Games i thought that was supposed to be the bad one. Has anybody seen the film he did called The Seventh Continent?


Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: effecT on March 16, 2010, 06:12:58 PM
I would suggest you Haneke's adaptation of "The Castle" by Kafka with the late Ulrich Mühe and the new "Funny Games", also White Ribbon is truly a deserving winner of Cannes. :D


The new Funny Games i thought that was supposed to be the bad one. Has anybody seen the film he did called The Seventh Continent?


yes i have the boxset with that one in it
i recommend the whole box



Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: Joe Rogaine on March 16, 2010, 07:01:16 PM
I think I'm going to go see The White Ribbon this weekend. 
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: ChrisRawk on March 24, 2010, 07:46:38 AM
I got through the intro and had to bail.  It's still sitting on my Netflix instant cue almost taunting me to watch it.  I realize this is a bad idea as the Wiki entry alone made me want to barf violently.  It sounds like more of an endurance test then a movie ala Caligula.   
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: Matt on April 07, 2010, 10:23:51 PM
It appears ANTICHRIST is being added to the Criterion Collection later this year:

(http://i10.createsend3.com/ei/r/F7/FE1/869/032210/wackyfoxeatingentrails1.jpg)

Hopefully they can have that JOEY: THE COMPLETE SERIES set ready by Christmas.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: Joe Rogaine on April 08, 2010, 12:55:57 AM
It appears ANTICHRIST is being added to the Criterion Collection later this year:

(http://i10.createsend3.com/ei/r/F7/FE1/869/032210/wackyfoxeatingentrails1.jpg)

Hopefully they can have that JOEY: THE COMPLETE SERIES set ready by Christmas.


Where did you hear that?
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: jbissell on April 08, 2010, 01:51:14 PM
It appears ANTICHRIST is being added to the Criterion Collection later this year:

(http://i10.createsend3.com/ei/r/F7/FE1/869/032210/wackyfoxeatingentrails1.jpg)

Hopefully they can have that JOEY: THE COMPLETE SERIES set ready by Christmas.


Where did you hear that?

The monthly Criterion newsletter always has a tease like that.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: Joe Rogaine on April 09, 2010, 04:24:47 AM
It appears ANTICHRIST is being added to the Criterion Collection later this year:

(http://i10.createsend3.com/ei/r/F7/FE1/869/032210/wackyfoxeatingentrails1.jpg)

Hopefully they can have that JOEY: THE COMPLETE SERIES set ready by Christmas.


Where did you hear that?

Oh i don't get the news letter. I did check the coming soon section on the website though and im pretty excited about Antonioni's Red Desert finally getting released.

The monthly Criterion newsletter always has a tease like that.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: waltkellysghost on April 20, 2010, 11:59:28 PM
Last I checked, Anti-Christ is playable on Netflix.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: Marcel Gonsalves on May 20, 2010, 11:06:18 PM
I saw Antichrist projected at the Toronto Film Fest last summer and thought it was stunning visually. Then I found that the content stuck with me for weeks after. That makes it a winner in my books.

Me n' my gal dressed up as He and She for Halloween. I'd post a picture, but a) it's my first post and b) everyone here seems to have hated the movie.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: erika on June 01, 2010, 11:55:54 AM
I watched this last night. Somebody help my poor brain. It needs to have certain things erased from it.......
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: Chris L on July 05, 2010, 10:03:48 PM
America being the Great Satan and all, I watched Antichrist over the 4th.  Except for the silly prologue, I kinda liked it. It had elements of the kind of Bergman-esque horror that interests me. I'll probably be mulling it over for a while, even if its ideas are kind of muddled and probably not that interesting outside the context of the film.  Funny that it made Ebert and a couple other critics practically lose their minds when it premiered.

Gotta say though, I averted my eyes during the Big Snip. Wonder if that kinda means I didn't really see the movie at all.  
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: B_Buster on July 06, 2010, 11:16:59 AM
I think you were wise to avert your eyes during the Big Snip, Chris L. It was a win-win: you knew what happened and you didn't have that image seared in your brain.

I still think if the dudes from Old Joy stumbled upon She and He it would have made for a better movie. Maybe they could have all had a hot bath together and no one would have lost their genitals.
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: erika on July 06, 2010, 04:50:17 PM
Oddly, the snip bothered me less than his blood fountain...
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: SJK on July 06, 2010, 05:20:18 PM
Both instances of genital mutilation were profoundly disturbing. I guess I don't go to movies to be challenged. I see no redeeming qualities in this story with the exception of some interesting cinematography, a few beautiful shots. 
Title: Re: Antichrist
Post by: Chris L on July 06, 2010, 06:09:37 PM
Oddly, the snip bothered me less than his blood fountain...

I'm still wondering if that's even physically possible in those circumstances.

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