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FOT Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: Alvaro from GM on December 19, 2009, 03:03:48 PM
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Albums and artists or whatever, I'm looking to get into some new raps
My 5 most listened to rap albums in no order:
Brother Ali - The Undisputed Truth
Jurassic 5 - Quality Control
De La Soul - Buhloone Mindstate
Blackalicious - Blazing Arrow
Atmosphere - Lucy Ford
I'm also very into Del and of course Jay-Z and Dre and all the basics, but I'm looking for something new.
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Albums and artists or whatever, I'm looking to get into some new raps
My 5 most listened to rap albums in no order:
Brother Ali - The Undisputed Truth
Jurassic 5 - Quality Control
De La Soul - Buhloone Mindstate
Blackalicious - Blazing Arrow
Atmosphere - Lucy Ford
I'm also very into Del and of course Jay-Z and Dre and all the basics, but I'm looking for something new.
I liked Handsome Boy Modeling School. Does that count?
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The Atmosphere - Strictly Leakage free mix tape from late 2007 is pretty solid. I don't think it's on the Rhymesay=ers site anymore but it's available for free in plenty of places.
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Eric B. & Rakim - Don't Sweat The Technique
The whole album is killer.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y1Emb7Jyks[/youtube]
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Cannibal Ox
A Tribe Called Quest
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William Smith and Jeffy Jazz?
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A couple of us FOT (Scratch, SheaNo) were out last night talking about this song:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkBsCEcq-P4[/youtube]
This is just so nuts, both the lyrics and the video. Me Like.
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5 most listened to of all time? That's pretty easy -
Straight outta Compton - NWA
AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted - ICE CUBE
Enter the 36.. - WU TANG
Dare Iz a Darkside - REDMAN
Music to Drive-By - EIHT/CMW
Most of those aren't horrible as far as holding up, but I probably wouldn't list them as my favorite albums or best emcee list or anything. Well except for Reggie and a few of the Wu guys.
I was trying to convince my co-worker today that Q-tip is worst rapper of all time while we listened to the Tribe station on Pandora. Most overrated at least. Dude has a good voice, that's it, his lyrics are garbage. No content at all, he doesn't talk about anything at all ever. Nobody would jump on board with my side though, and now I feel like an outcast.
I left my wallet in El Segundo? That song isn't about ANYTHING, it's madness!
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I don't know if I could do an all time list, but some people that immediately come to mind are Jay Z, A Tribe Called Quest, Del the Funky Homosapien (or Deltron 3030), MC Paul Barmon (though I haven't heard his new stuff. If anyone hear has, thoughts?) and of course, The Roots.
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Jay-Z Blueprint
Wu-Tang Enter the 36 Chambers
B.I.G. Ready To Die
Tribe Called Quest Low End Theory
Atmosphere Lucy Ford EPs
Kanye West- Graduation
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I was trying to convince my co-worker today that Q-tip is worst rapper of all time while we listened to the Tribe station on Pandora. Most overrated at least. Dude has a good voice, that's it, his lyrics are garbage. No content at all, he doesn't talk about anything at all ever. Nobody would jump on board with my side though, and now I feel like an outcast.
You're right to feel like an outcast, Q-Tip is one of the greatest.
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You're right to feel like an outcast, Q-Tip is one of the greatest.
In a list of what, 100 other guys? ;D
What's in your opinion the best track he ever did, just so I can gauge where people are coming from with this?
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I haven't heard a new rapper I've enjoyed in a long time. That is, someone skilled AND likable/funny. Wale didn't really do it for me. Maybe it's the early 90's production sound I miss most.
Definitely check out Main Source - "Breaking Atoms" if you've never heard it.
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I haven't heard a new rapper I've enjoyed in a long time. That is, someone skilled AND likable/funny. Wale didn't really do it for me. Maybe it's the early 90's production sound I miss most.
Definitely check out Main Source - "Breaking Atoms" if you've never heard it.
Kid at school loaned me an Optimus Rhyme cd that was pretty entertaining; sharp funny lyrics and a rock backing that remended me of early XTC. Fun!
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I liked Wale at first, but it doesn't do anything for me anymore either.
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Kid at school loaned me an Optimus Rhyme cd that was pretty entertaining; sharp funny lyrics and a rock backing that remended me of early XTC. Fun!
Are they that big now? They're from around here, I used to hang out with a couple of those guys and did some gig posters for them way back when.
That's pretty cool.
EDIT - "here" being Seattle/Tacoma.
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You're right to feel like an outcast, Q-Tip is one of the greatest.
In a list of what, 100 other guys? ;D
What's in your opinion the best track he ever did, just so I can gauge where people are coming from with this?
my favorite track of his ever would probably be Check The Rhime. His flow is flawless. I always liked Hot Sex from the Boomerang soundtrack as well.
Bizarre Ride II The Pharcyde is an absolutely essential album. That is probably my favorite hip hop album of all time.
ALSO:
Ice Cube's first 2 albums. I think Death Certificate is vastly underrated. The tone of that album is so good (and angry).
Cypress Hill's first record.
Black Moon "Enta Da Stage" is awesome.
King T "Tha Triflin' Album" is great and by the same token The Alkaholics first one is good, too.
I also LOVE about half of The Coup's "Genocide and Juice".
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Kid at school loaned me an Optimus Rhyme cd that was pretty entertaining; sharp funny lyrics and a rock backing that remended me of early XTC. Fun!
Are they that big now? They're from around here, I used to hang out with a couple of those guys and did some gig posters for them way back when.
That's pretty cool.
EDIT - "here" being Seattle/Tacoma.
Are you familiar with The Saturday Knights? I LOVE the song "Count It Off" and the video is GREAT. I found their album in the bargain bin. I like it okay, but dunno if I would wholeheartedly recommend it.
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Are you familiar with The Saturday Knights? I LOVE the song "Count It Off" and the video is GREAT. I found their album in the bargain bin. I like it okay, but dunno if I would wholeheartedly recommend it.
No I am not, but now I want to be.
PS I like your list. We had the Blackmoon channel on today too.
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Digging deep into my brain for memories of old Video Music Box episodes; these are my all time faves.
EPMD
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC1psGZXZlw[/youtube]
De La Soul (featuring the entire Native Tongues collective)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F69dt5clGPo[/youtube]
Special Ed
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGV9G2okC8I[/youtube]
Brand Nubian
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuhaFdBuwp4[/youtube]
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Q-tip has written plenty of socially conscious lyrics.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uu-myaGeJY[/youtube]
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Slaughtahouse by Masta Ace Incorporated is a great album that not many people seem to talk about, for whatever reason. I'm also a big fan of the first Digable Planets album. Other favorites are the first two Eric B & Rakim albums (Paid in Full and Follow the Leader), Gang Starr's Hard to Earn, and BDP's Ghetto Music:The Blueprint of Hip Hop. I'm not very up on current hip hop, but my favorite of the few I've heard is Brother Ali (though his new album isn't doing very much for me).
Put me in the pro Q-Tip column. The Low End Theory in total is pretty unimpeachable to my ears, but if I had to pick out an individual track, I'd probably go with "Excursions" or "The Infamous Date Rape." Complaining that "I Left My Wallet in El Segundo" is about nothing kinda seems to miss the point since it seems, to my ears anyway, to be a classic shaggy dog story by design.
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Eric B. & Rakim's discography makes for the greatest first four albums of any music act of the last 25 years. I stand by this 100%. The first four OutKast albums are a really, really close second.
Ghostface Killah's Supreme Clientele is one of my favorite hip hop albums of the decade. So lyrically dense but still fun to just sit back and be verbally bludgeoned by.
Something that got kind of slept on even though I tried to use my Shovel.com tastemaker powers to give it some buzz is Johnson&Jonson, which is an L.A. MC named Blu (check for anything/everything this guy does, actually) paired up with this producer Mainframe, and it sounds like next-wave West Coast Native Tongues business. I seriously played that album like eight times in two days after I first copped it and it made me feel same as the first time I heard De La's 3 Feet High and Rising.
Also Shovel-hyped: Jean Grae's Jeanius. She's got that coveted combination of lyrical creativity, punchlines, storytelling skills, drama, humor and flow, plus she makes beats (though Jeanius is mostly produced by 8th Wonder). She's basically the rap equivalent of a five-tool player.
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Complaining that "I Left My Wallet in El Segundo" is about nothing kinda (WILLFULLY) seems to miss the point since it seems, to my ears anyway, to be a classic shaggy dog story by design.
I should add that to your point, because I am purposefully being stubborn about this. It's not like I didn't love him back in the day, and still wouldn't listen to him now. It was all just stemming from a list someone made about Q-tip being the best rapper, and I thought that was nuts, and it all spiraled from there. Upon some reexamination, he doesn't really hold up that well for me since then, when other people from his era certainly have. I don't honestly think he's the worst rapper ever though, because what then would that make Phife?
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Stetsasonic-In Full Gear
ATCQ-Midnight Marauders
Gang Starr-Daily Operation
Wu-Tang Clan-Enter The Wu-Tang
Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth-Mecca and the Soul Brother
Digital Underground-Sons of the P
Nas-Illmatic
Ultramagnetic MC's-Critical Beatdown
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I don't honestly think he's the worst rapper ever though, because what then would that make Phife?
Phife is my distant cousin. And by distant I mean we aren't at all related, but... my first cousin's ex-wife's half-sister is his second cousin. But I still didn't get to be in the Check the Rhime video, even though I lived a block from Linden Blvd.
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I don't honestly think he's the worst rapper ever though, because what then would that make Phife?
Phife is my distant cousin. And by distant I mean we aren't at all related, but... my first cousin's ex-wife's half-sister is his second cousin. But I still didn't get to be in the Check the Rhime video, even though I lived a block from Linden Blvd.
so, you didn't represent represent-sent?
How could I forget about Gang Starr??? The Step In The Arena video was like mad max goes hip hop. The production on Mass Appeal is A-mazing as well.
I also looooooooooooooooooved anything to do with the heiroglyphics crew back then. my roommate at the time did the hip hop show at our college radio station so i had access to all his 12 inches with lots of awesome b-sides.
i'm real stupid when it comes to new hip hop. i like SOME busdriver stuff. i'm gonna check out johnson&johnson for sure.
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Mos Def - Black on Both Sides
Jay Z - Black Album (along side the Grey Album)
Beastie Boys - Hello Nasty (or anything before that)
RJD2 - Deadringer
Quasimoto - The Unseen (soooo good)
Madvillain - Madvillainy
MF Doom - Mm.. Food
Gnarls Barkley - St. Elsewhere
Quasimoto is my #1 for sure, I think I may have missed some stuff there...
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Eric B. & Rakim's discography makes for the greatest first four albums of any music act of the last 25 years. I stand by this 100%. The first four OutKast albums are a really, really close second.
Not to derail this thread (impossible), and not rudely to link to another message board entirely but ...
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=47481
For those who don't want to bother clicking thru, this is an "I Love Music" thread that I started years ago -- here is the intro text:
In his review of Brick by the Talking Heads (in the Onion's AV Club), Andy Battaglia posits Talking Heads' 77, More Songs About Buildings and Food, Fear of Music and Remain in Light as
"arguably the greatest four-record run in rock history."
I thought this warranted discussion (and he doesn't even get into the fact that their next release was the fabulous (especially in its expanded reissue format) live album The Name of This Band is Talking Heads).
Possible (obvious) alternatives
RollingStones - Beggar's Banquet to Exile on Main St.
ElvisCostello - This Year's Model to Trust
BobDylan - 4 of the early-ish ones ...
Early replies relevant here are The Velvet Underground, CCR, LedZep, Funkadelic, Pixiies and so forth
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The first 8 ZZ Top LPs are untouchably great, though I don't expect anyone here to agree with me.
How about this one, though?:
Time Fades Away (1973)
On the Beach (1974)
Tonight's the Night (1975)
Zuma (1976)
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Black Sheep- A Wolf In Sheep's Clothing
Ice Cube- Amerikkka's Most Wanted
De La Soul- Buhaloone Mindstate
Ghostface Killah- Supreme Clientele
Common- Ressurection
Currently I'm chcking for Jay Electronica. If you can get passed the suspect name he is the best doing it right now.
http://www.youtube.com/v/0gUTbRrS4w0&hl=en_US&fs=1&
second verse of this song is the verse of the year
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5 most listened to of all time? That's pretty easy -
Straight outta Compton - NWA
AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted - ICE CUBE
Enter the 36.. - WU TANG
Dare Iz a Darkside - REDMAN
Music to Drive-By - EIHT/CMW
Most of those aren't horrible as far as holding up, but I probably wouldn't list them as my favorite albums or best emcee list or anything. Well except for Reggie and a few of the Wu guys.
I was trying to convince my co-worker today that Q-tip is worst rapper of all time while we listened to the Tribe station on Pandora. Most overrated at least. Dude has a good voice, that's it, his lyrics are garbage. No content at all, he doesn't talk about anything at all ever. Nobody would jump on board with my side though, and now I feel like an outcast.
I left my wallet in El Segundo? That song isn't about ANYTHING, it's madness!
Yes it is, it's about he left his WALLET in EL SEGUNDO.
All that aside, I have to admit you're right, his lyrics and delivery are really nothing special. He's been getting by on the voice and the fact that Phife Dawg is even worse.
I'M SO SORRY Q-TIP!!!!!
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Let's pile on at the end.
Ghostface Killah
Genius/GZA, Liquid Swords LP
MF Doom, I know the production on Doomsday is shaky but I still like the album
Public Enemy, Nation Of Millions
Del/Deltron again
Infesticons (a single LP goof from Mike Ladd and friends)
Mike Ladd - Welcome To the Afterfuture
Aesop Rock
EPMD
Redman's first couple albums
etc
so on
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How could I forget about Gang Starr??? The Step In The Arena video was like mad max goes hip hop. The production on Mass Appeal is A-mazing as well.
I also looooooooooooooooooved anything to do with the heiroglyphics crew back then. my roommate at the time did the hip hop show at our college radio station so i had access to all his 12 inches with lots of awesome b-sides.
i'm real stupid when it comes to new hip hop. i like SOME busdriver stuff. i'm gonna check out johnson&johnson for sure.
I traded my Tical CD to someone for the Moment of Truth album, and all my friends thought I was a fool for it. My friends were dummies damnit.
Also, Busdriver is amazing when he's on, but he's really hit or miss for me. Fear of a black tangent is a pretty nice album though.
I think this is the part where we bump fists or some shit, yeah?
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All that aside, I have to admit you're right, his lyrics and delivery are really nothing special. He's been getting by on the voice and the fact that Phife Dawg is even worse.
I'M SO SORRY Q-TIP!!!!!
They had some really slick production too, which I think was even more important to their success than Tips voice. Just classic beats that definitely still hold up.
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Busdriver tries too hard.
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Busdriver tries too hard.
When he's on he's great: Low-Flying Winged Books
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I'll check it out. This latest album seemed really forced.
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Mos Def - Black on Both Sides
Jay Z - Black Album (along side the Grey Album)
Beastie Boys - Hello Nasty (or anything before that)
RJD2 - Deadringer
Quasimoto - The Unseen (soooo good)
Madvillain - Madvillainy
MF Doom - Mm.. Food
Gnarls Barkley - St. Elsewhere
Quasimoto is my #1 for sure, I think I may have missed some stuff there...
Love Quasimoto, most any Madlib project is awesome.
For instrumental/breaks the Madlib Beat Konducta series is pretty amazing.
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The second Quasimoto album was very forgettable, I thought. All I can remember from it is the track with the drunk dude begging for a drink. 'Suck my a$$$ with a straw!'