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FOT Community => Links => Topic started by: Dorvid Barnas on March 19, 2007, 01:47:35 PM
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I had to post these. They're absolutely fascinating.
Part One (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_OyW71AJ8E&mode=related&search=)
Part Two (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9iEm2qdJpE&mode=related&search=)
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Holy fuckabees.
David O. Russell is still awesome, though.
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That's incredible, especially the second one.
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Yeah - that second one... I gotta say - say "fuck fuck fuckin' fuck" all you want, but when you call a woman what he called Lily Tomlin, even in anger, no matter what's going on... well... it's really telling. Aftern saying "bitch," like, five times, I think the exact phrase was something like, "I didn't work on this for three years to have some cunt come in here and yell at me!" And this isn't England, you know? He said that because she's a woman who was pissing him off, not just because she's "someone" who's pissing him off. He came really really close to kicking her and throwing things directly at her, too. Call me crazy, but I found the whole thing pretty disturbing.
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:o
Nice suit.
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I was too late: both videos have been "removed by the user." Judging by the posts thus far, though, I guess it's probably just as well. I don't need more reasons to be disturbed.
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Shit. I'm at work and didn't get to see them.
Now there's nothing to watch on the internet.
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Well, maybe I was overreacting, but it was creepy.
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They were pretty awesome. Glad I caught 'em. David O. Russell was flipping out and smashing the set and in the middle of the rampage Lily Tomlin goes to the crew "You better take out some insurance on the director." Zung.
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Well, maybe I was overreacting, but it was creepy.
Not really. I mean, Lily Tomlin was being a major bitch, but the cunt word and throwings things are a little much, David O.
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Well, maybe I was overreacting, but it was creepy.
Oh it was creepy and sexist, for sure, and tempered my opinions of everyone involved, but damn, it was riveting stuff.
I wonder which disgruntled crew member leaked this footage, which continues to be posted and removed from YouTube. I'll repost it if I can find it.
In the meantime, here's a similarly-themed David Russell story from a Playboy Interview with George Clooney.
"PLAYBOY: Did he yell at you?
CLOONEY: At me often --- and at someone daily. He'd throw off his headset and scream, "Today the sound department flicked me!" For me, it came to a head a couple of times. Once, he went after a camera-car driver who I knew from high school. I had nothing to do with his getting his job, but David began yelling and screaming at him and embarrassing him in front of everybody. I told him, "You can yell and scream and even fire him, but what you can't do is humiliate him in front of people. Not on my set, if I have any say about it." Another time he screamed at the script supervisor and made her cry. I wrote him a letter and said, "Look, I don't know why you do this. You've written a brilliant script, and I think you're a good director. Let's not have a set like this. I don't like it and I don't work well like this." I'm not one of those actors who likes things in disarray. He read the letter and we started all over again. But later, we were three weeks behind schedule, which puts some pressure on you, and he was in a bad mood. These army kids, who were working as extras, were supposed to tackle us. There were three helicopters in the air and 300 extras on the set. It was a tense time, and a little dangerous, too. David wanted one of the extras to grab me and throw me down. This kid was a little nervous about it, and David walked up to him and grabbed him. He pushed him onto the ground. He kicked him and screamed, "Do you want to be in this fucking movie? Then throw him to the fucking ground!" The second assistant director came up and said, "You don't do that, David. You want them to do something, you tell me." David grabbed his walkie-talkie and threw it on the ground. He screamed, "Shut the fuck up! Fuck you," and the AD goes, "Fuck you! I quit." He walked off.
It was a dangerous time. I'd sent him this letter. I was trying to make things work, so I went over and put my arm around him. I said, "David, it's a big day. But you can't shove, push or humiliate people who aren't allowed to defend themselves." He turned on me and said, "Why don't you just worry about your fucked-up act? You're being a dick. You want to hit me? You want to hit me? Come on, pussy, hit me." I'm looking at him like he's out of his mind. Then he started banging me on the head with his head. He goes, "Hit me, you pussy. Hit me." Then he got me by the throat and I went nuts. Waldo, my buddy, one of the boys, grabbed me by the waist to get me to let go of him. I had him by the throat. I was going to kill him. Kill him. Finally, he apologized, but I walked away. By then the Warner Bros. guys were freaking out. David sort of pouted through the rest of the shoot and we finished the movie, but it was truly, without exception, the worst experience of my life.
PLAYBOY: Did you resolve things? Would you ever work with him again?
CLOONEY: Life's too short.
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Okay, now I have to see these clips.
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Found the second one. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I79ytf15fYQ)
Get it while it's hot!
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Oof. I've known more than a couple of guys like that. Fortunately, one of them has grown up for the most part and behaves when he's in town.
CLASSIC narcissistic personality, if you ask me. And three years is not that long to work on a script, you fucking crybaby. Do you know how long it takes most writers to get their babies made? Well, I don't, to be fair, but I'm sure it's longer than three years.
And I just saw the first one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlhKsizs62c). Neither come off in a very favorable light, but I'm tempted to side with Lily Tomlin based on David O Russell's horrible reputation.
Yikes.
PS: Context! (http://defamer.com/hollywood/david-o-russell%27/tomlin-vs-russell-the-i-heart-huckabees-outtakes-245292.php)
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I, too, have had the misfortune to work with assholes such as this. Eventually, I realized that the only way to handle such types was to yell right back at them (and never, ever cry), but I didn't really enjoy going in to work knowing I might have to get into a screaming match with my boss. God, I'm glad I now freelance.
The part of the clip that I found most amusing and depressing was when Russell is accusing Tomlin of acting like a "fucking baby" while he's slamming around the room, knocking things over, and screaming. I'm surprising he didn't drop to the ground and start drumming his heels.
I'm guessing that the ability to make one's actors flinch away in terror when one gets close is not an attribute best suited to getting the best out of the people with whom one is working.
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Damn. I wish he weren't such a big dick, because I really like his movies.
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I did community theater as a teenager and the director was similar, but not nearly as bad, as that. He worked for ABC and would yell stuff like "Do you think this would fucking fly at ABC!?! No way! THIS IS TOTALLY UNPROFESSIONAL!"
And we would all be like "That's cause we're not professionals." Ugh.
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Holy crap ! i totally would have walked out of there. that guy is nuts. what a miserable situation.
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but, it might be funny to see those clips with the Huckabee's theme song playing in the background..
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Aaagh! I finally got home and now they're gone again!
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Aaagh! I finally got home and now they're gone again!
Alright, one last time. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzqjimUs2RU)
I'm starting to feel like a crack dealer.
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Thanks - I had to close the door to my office and hold the computer speakers over my ear. What's one more daily indignity at this point?
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Three days later this makes news on the internet's own revival house -
http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2007/03/i_hate_huckabee.html
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Three days later this makes news on the internet's own revival house -
http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2007/03/i_hate_huckabee.html
Oh, cut'em some slack. At least they got it to stay up on the site for 20 minutes.
***The more I think about it, the more I realize that David O. Russell is probably the only man responsible for keeping Lily Tomlin remotely on the cultural radar for the last 20 years. I mean, Huckabees was the best movie (or the ONLY movie?) she was in since... Flirting With Disaster. So maybe he feels he has license to drop the c-bomb on her.
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I guess I see it a little differently than everyone else. Hasn't anyone worked with someone who just picked and picked and picker until you just wanted to explode on them? That's how this seems to me. Did the dude overreact? Sure. Was he being a douche? Yep. Was Lily Tomlin responsible? Probably.
"What? You want me to change my delivery? You want me to shoot the scene again a different way?" Yes. You're an actor. You act. I'm a director. I get paid to direct you.
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No, I actually kinda agree CPM. I mean this is visceral and insane as entertainment, but in a way that's only because stuff like this pretty much happens a lot in real life anyway, and it's sort of like two stubborn people go at each other like mules in a china shop or whatever.
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Miami New Times spoke to Tomlin the day after it appeared online for the first time. New Times was interviewing the actress in advance of her upcoming show at the Carnival Center, but we couldn’t resist a mention of the formerly clandestine video, which has since migrated to YouTube.
“Oh my God, the one in the car is on there too?” Tomlin asked, referring to one of the two videos, which were shot during two different scenes. In “the one in the car,” Tomlin tells Russell: “Leave me the fuck alone! Do you know what the fuck is going on, period? Fuck you! Fuck you motherfucker!”
“I can’t believe the damn car is in there. I’ve never seen it. Is that when I’m sitting in the seat and really going nuts? Oh my God, I’m gonna die when I see that,” Tomlin told New Times, laughing.
“I love David,” she said. “There was a lot of pressure in making the movie — even the way it came out you could see it was a very free-associative, crazy movie, and David was under a tremendous amount of pressure. And he’s a very free-form kind of guy anyway.”
In the second video, shot on the set of the office of Tomlin’s detective character, Russell turns the freak out around on Tomlin: “Fuck you! I’m just trying to help you, you understand me? I’m not here to be fucking yelled at!” He sweeps his arm across the desk at which Tomlin sits, scattering its contents. “I’ve been working on this thing for three fucking years, not to be yelled at by some fucking cunt! So just fuck yourself!”
“Adults have fights and go through stuff,” Tomlin said Tuesday. “I know some people are more dignified in the world, that if you transgress against that kind of professionalism, that it’s some kind of great sin, but I don’t see it that way.”
She called the episode “in a way liberating… now it’s all over, and so what, and I don’t have to keep up some great pretention I’m the most dignified, eloquent, elegant, perfect, smart-thinking, kind, generous person. I’m just a plain old human with a whole bunch of flaws.”
Tomlin mostly laughed off the incident, and the leak of the video from the set. “After poor Britney Spears, with her poor little legs open … I’m not the least bit upset about it,” she said. “That’s part of the upside and the downside of the Internet.” –Frank Houston
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Miami New Times: More than just tranny escort ads!
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that movie was kind of stupid.
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That movie was good, but flawed.
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that movie was kind of stupid.
Yea, i didn't like it at all. It was just a mess, I thought. I love "Flirting with Disaster" though.
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None of the above links were working, so here are some that are (as of this posting at least):
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Paul Rudd/Michael Showalter re-enactment of Russell/Tomlin (http://www.bestweekever.tv/2007/03/30/paul-rudd-michael-showalter-heart-huckabees/)
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Paul Rudd/Michael Showalter re-enactment of Russell/Tomlin (http://www.bestweekever.tv/2007/03/30/paul-rudd-michael-showalter-heart-huckabees/)
Amazing! Paul Rudd is the King Midas of funny.