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Title: Apologist Thread
Post by: John Junk on March 21, 2007, 07:37:08 PM
This could be where the FOT's sheepishly defend things they like that Tom hates. 

I will go on record as saying 200 Motels: not too bad.  Especially as far as psychedelic rock'n'roll art-damage movies go.  It's like, you know, better than The Magical Mystery Tour.

Anybody else?
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Post by: Jason on March 21, 2007, 08:01:44 PM
I like chinese people.
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Post by: Pride of Staten Island on March 21, 2007, 08:12:36 PM
I like the Band's first 3 or so albums.

Not as good as CCR, of course, but worthy.
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Post by: mywhitedevil on March 21, 2007, 08:18:58 PM
I like meat.  I'm a master butcher, even.  Tom might not like me hacking up aminals.  Oh well.

Also, I am a huge NCAA BBall fan and hate the NBA. 
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Omar on March 21, 2007, 10:12:47 PM
Also, I am a huge NCAA BBall fan and hate the NBA. 

Me, too.  I think the NBA is the worst sports product in the history of the world.  I'd rather watch Spike whip a slave into shape than watch a single second of NBA "action".
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Matt on March 21, 2007, 11:36:02 PM
I used to be a huge Buckethead fan. Over the last few years, I've grown weary of his overplaying and moved on to better things.
"But, man, you gotta respect the way that guy plays!" ~Angry Mr. Bungle Fan

I also heard Tom mention that he hates the Pulaski Skyway. My deepest apologies Mr. Scharpling, I love the Pulaski Skyway. It is so old, so unique (exits that cut through the center of the bridge? UNHEARD OF!), and so dangerous (no acceleration lanes for onramps).
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Stan on March 22, 2007, 08:46:55 AM
I also heard Tom mention that he hates the Pulaski Skyway. My deepest apologies Mr. Scharpling, I love the Pulaski Skyway. It is so old, so unique (exits that cut through the center of the bridge? UNHEARD OF!), and so dangerous (no acceleration lanes for onramps).

 The Pulaski Skyway separates the dead from the living, often quickly and efficiently.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: lemke on March 22, 2007, 11:19:00 AM
Stephen Malkmus' ego.
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Post by: Emerson on March 22, 2007, 01:01:01 PM
The years have cooled my Tom Waits fandom somewhat, but I'll gladly defend most of his music. I'm not sure why Waits' lack of "credibility" drives so many Beefheart fanatics so nuts. This is supposed to be fun stuff.

~EmD
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Post by: kenkwan on March 22, 2007, 02:27:03 PM
I think Ol' 55 is a pretty cool song.

My Morning Jacket is my Tom hates/I love.

Baa
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Dorvid Barnas on March 22, 2007, 07:05:36 PM
I like Dischord records -  Beauty Pill (http://myspace.com/beautypill) and Medications  (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=SBG&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=medications+myspace&spell=1) alone make for a great DC rock scene.

I also enjoy Al Green, steak, NCAA hoops, and marijuana.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: John Junk on March 22, 2007, 07:17:56 PM
Yeah man, I like some Al Green too. 
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Post by: KickTheBobo on March 22, 2007, 08:53:14 PM
I'm gonna have to come out of the Fight Club closet some time, why not now?

Also: Steak, Jazz, Cigarettes
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Tom Scharpling on March 22, 2007, 08:54:06 PM
The second I get sick, you people start coming up with your own opinions on things.

For shame.

Tom.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Sarah on March 22, 2007, 09:18:35 PM
Steak, opera, cigarettes, booze, jazz a bit, Tom Waits a bit, Fight Club for one viewing.  I'm sure there's more.

But feel better, Queenie.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Dorvid Barnas on March 22, 2007, 10:22:55 PM
This thread, the last Wilco album, toilet talk.

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Post by: Richard_From_CHI on March 22, 2007, 10:26:06 PM
I like the Police. Although Synchronicity sucked.
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Post by: Richard_From_CHI on March 22, 2007, 10:26:59 PM
I LOVE Harry Potter.

I didn't care for the McFlurry.

I don't like Toblerone.

Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: mywhitedevil on March 22, 2007, 10:29:52 PM
I own and enjoy Bitches Brew.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Jarno on March 23, 2007, 03:35:17 PM
I own and enjoy Bitches Brew.

Bitches Brew is great, just like countless other jazz records and pretty much every Al Green record from the 70's in my opinion
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Post by: Tim K in DC on March 24, 2007, 04:25:06 AM
I liked Super Troopers and somewhat liked Club Dread. Why Broken Lizard even bothered involvement with The Dukes Of Hazard since none of their talent got a fair shake in it is beyond me, but they aren't just churning out pure shit. I'm still rooting for them.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Eric on March 24, 2007, 08:26:31 PM
Hockey is my favorite sport (tho i still laugh when Tom makes fun of it),

I'm also a dirty carnivore. Never heard Tom mention Broken Lizard but I like "Super Troopers" quite a bit. I vaguely remember Tom hating "Batman Begins" which I love. I guess it does take itself a bit seriously but I was pretty amazed by it. I dare say it's one of the best movies I've seen of recent.  :o
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Josh on March 25, 2007, 01:18:08 PM
I also love stick skating.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Laurie on March 25, 2007, 01:42:03 PM
I also love stick skating.

It lacks spangles. I don't like it.

I have, like, 12 hours of figure skating on my TiFaux. I hope Kimmie Meissner falls. I hate that bitch.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Fido on March 25, 2007, 09:57:08 PM

1.  WWE -- it's the theater of the absurd, literally.  I can even be entertained by the ridiculousness of it for up to 25 minutes sometimes.

2.  This radio station that I heard my cabbie playing on the radio when I was in Vegas recently.  http://www.kjul1047.com   Truly old school Vegas, truly awfulsome. 

3.  Defending our civil liberties (I'm being completely serious now -- nothing awfulsome about that).
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Amplituden on March 25, 2007, 10:33:18 PM
I like those Christopher Guest movies. 

They always make me laugh, perhaps they aren't the most amazing thing ever.

I have watched them all in the theatre.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: bobby. on March 26, 2007, 10:58:06 AM
I loved Pan's Labyrinth..
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Post by: Sploops on March 26, 2007, 10:10:39 PM
I vaguely remember Tom saying that The Life Aquatic was Wes Andersen's best movie.  whuuuuuut?! ???
I'm sorry but that movie was a dud.  Rushmore was/is/and shall always be Anderson's best work.  I love that movie.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: jed on March 26, 2007, 11:09:00 PM
I vaguely remember Tom saying that The Life Aquatic was Wes Andersen's best movie.  whuuuuuut?! ???
I'm sorry but that movie was a dud.  Rushmore was/is/and shall always be Anderson's best work.  I love that movie.

Everytime I watch Bottlerocket it gets closer to overtaking Rushmore as my favorite. I think after watching The Life Aquatic and thinking "Huh. That wasn't as good as I'd hoped it'd be. It seemed a little over-done compared to the other ones" I was set on a reverse trajectory that puts Bottlerocket on top.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Jixby Phillips on March 27, 2007, 05:28:07 AM
I enjoy Todd Solondz movies, though calling them science-fiction is fair.

I like Waiting for Guffman and Best in Show. A Mighty Wind stinks, the other one i haven't bothered with yet.

I used to be really big on Fight Club, but grew to hate it long before I discovered Tom. I blame being in the 11th grade when I first saw it on my liking it.

Another thing I can blame on high-school: Kevin Smith. I was in the 9th grade when I saw his first three movies. I genuinely like Clerks still (though I'd probably not like it so much if I saw it now for the first time), and sometimes I can still enjoy Chasing Amy. I have a LOT of Kevin Smith stuff, and I still kinda keep up with him, kinda for the same perverse reason Tom does. My parents got me Clerks 2 on DVD, and I wound up watching everything on the DVD. Liking him is so ingrained into my system, I can't help but like him a LITTLE. I do hate him also; Dogma and Jay & Silent Bob Strikes Back are maybe the two worst movies I own. I pretty much agree with every negative thing Tom says about him, but I can't wash my hands of him completely.

If I'm with Kevin Smith fans, I become the biggest anti-Kevin Smith guy in the room. And they can never accuse me of not knowing the work that well. I'm always the guy whos logged the most Kevin Smith hours when we argue.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Richard_From_CHI on March 27, 2007, 09:20:02 AM
Yeah, I bought Police tickets for Wrigley Field and paid $94.00 plus a huge surcharge for shitty seats, and I don't feel a damn bit bad about it.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Omar on March 28, 2007, 12:17:01 PM
I own and enjoy Bitches Brew.

Bitches Brew is great, just like countless other jazz records and pretty much every Al Green record from the 70's in my opinion

"I am exceptionally not religious, but the spirituality of artists like Curtis Mayfield or Al Green (http://www.observer.com/20070402/20070402_J._Gabriel_Boylan_culture_newsstory2.asp) has always affected me in a very serious and deep way. I definitely listen to more old music than new music.”
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Richard_From_CHI on March 29, 2007, 01:58:48 PM
I watch and enjoy watching tv shows, on the El train, on the 2 inch screen of my I-Pod. It is the only TV time I get any more. It makes me very, very happy.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Emily on April 03, 2007, 11:57:14 PM
I kind of like Scrubs!

It's on Fox for an hour at night, and sometimes I keep it on for background sound, and lately I've even been enjoying it. The moral-of-the-story portion of the show is pretty terrible, but some of the jokes make me laugh. so, i kind of like it.

just wanted to share that.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: buffcoat on April 04, 2007, 12:21:34 PM
I like Scrubs, too.  I find it easier to just ignore the fact that Zach Braff exists outside of that show.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Richard_From_CHI on April 04, 2007, 02:00:03 PM
I too liked at least the early seasons of Scrubs but Zach Braff seems like he is a bit of a FWD.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Laurie on April 04, 2007, 02:38:45 PM
I too liked at least the early seasons of Scrubs but Zach Braff seems like he is a bit of a FWD.

My brief addiction to Defamer.com totally deflated my Scrubs-love balloon. Zach Braff is indeed quite douchey, if their, uh, journalistic integrity is to be trusted.

I must admit that I loved this bit from a somewhat recent episode:

[youtube=425,350]SVebMKT3uDs[/youtube]

AWWWW! Kittens!
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: John Junk on April 04, 2007, 02:42:38 PM
I like scrubs okay, but sometimes they give Sarcastic Doctor way too much to say, and it's like "  It's not witty if it takes you 30 seconds to say it."  What's even worse is when they try and make Sarcastic Doctor have feelings.  What's even worse than that is Sarcastic Doctor's hair.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Josh Fenderman on April 05, 2007, 05:20:35 PM
I like:

Certain Christopher Guest movies (Best in Show, Waiting for Guffman, does Spinal Tap count?)
Steak (and other delicious meats)
Pan's Labyrinth
Wet Hot American Summer (and "that whole scene")
Fight Club (although I'm dwindling, but I could still probably watch it a couple more times before I die)
Toilet talk
Porno shows
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Sarah on April 05, 2007, 06:25:06 PM
AWWWW! Kittens!

Sorry to make yet another Buffy reference, but didn't those same adorable little critters make you just love the poker game in season 6?

Regarding Scrubs, I didn't see it till Comedy Central started broadcasting it.  I liked it quite a lot at first, but the various schticks wore thin for me fairly quickly, with Zach Braff's suffering the most, the fastest.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Laurie on April 05, 2007, 06:45:33 PM
AWWWW! Kittens!

Sorry to make yet another Buffy reference, but didn't those same adorable little critters make you just love the poker game in season 6?

YES. Kittens make EVERYTHING better.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Sarah on April 06, 2007, 07:47:50 AM
Even season 6.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Laurie on April 06, 2007, 07:59:05 AM
Season 6 had its moments. You know, I can place every single episode in seasons 1 through 3, but everything after season 4 is pretty much a blur. Between Marti Noxon's rape fixation and the magic addiction and the whiny, sucky potentials (except for Millie, of course, she ruled) and the bad badness, well... I try to forget most of it, but I still can't forget how they went from Spike's rape happy moment to a fucking BURGER KING commercial. That's classy, y'all.

That musical episode was pretty fabulous, though. I'll give them that.
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Post by: Omar on April 06, 2007, 08:14:34 AM
Season 6 had its moments. You know, I can place every single episode in seasons 1 through 3, but everything after season 4 is pretty much a blur. Between Marti Noxon's rape fixation and the magic addiction and the whiny, sucky potentials (except for Millie, of course, she ruled) and the bad badness, well... I try to forget most of it, but I still can't forget how they went from Spike's rape happy moment to a fucking BURGER KING commercial. That's classy, y'all.

That musical episode was pretty fabulous, though. I'll give them that.

Well said.  I pretty  much consider the musical to be the series finale.  Noxon is awful, and most of season 7 was unwatchable.  I love Millie, but I only thought she rocked.  The writing prevented her from ruling.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Laurie on April 06, 2007, 09:00:36 AM
Oh god, I nearly forgot Dawn! She was awful.

Ugh.

I'm giving Joss Whedon's attempt at "season 8" a try. The first issue was okay. Let's hope it washes away the bad taste season 7 left in our mouths, eh?
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Post by: kenkwan on April 06, 2007, 12:46:11 PM
Season 6 had its moments. You know, I can place every single episode in seasons 1 through 3, but everything after season 4 is pretty much a blur. Between Marti Noxon's rape fixation and the magic addiction and the whiny, sucky potentials (except for Millie, of course, she ruled) and the bad badness, well... I try to forget most of it, but I still can't forget how they went from Spike's rape happy moment to a fucking BURGER KING commercial. That's classy, y'all.

That musical episode was pretty fabulous, though. I'll give them that.

I will walk, through the fire!

You people like the kitties in the poker game, even though you know what's going to happen to them? And Dawn (among many other things), killed the show for me. I still watched them all, but the magics were gone.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Emerson on April 06, 2007, 01:25:54 PM
I have, on numerous occasions, indulged in alcohol and other mind-altering substances. I've often had a good time doing it.

I do, however, share the common disdain for people who refuse to leave these altered states, or who equate them with actually doing something rebellious or interesting.

~EmD
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Laurie on April 06, 2007, 02:51:27 PM
Season 6 had its moments. You know, I can place every single episode in seasons 1 through 3, but everything after season 4 is pretty much a blur. Between Marti Noxon's rape fixation and the magic addiction and the whiny, sucky potentials (except for Millie, of course, she ruled) and the bad badness, well... I try to forget most of it, but I still can't forget how they went from Spike's rape happy moment to a fucking BURGER KING commercial. That's classy, y'all.

That musical episode was pretty fabulous, though. I'll give them that.

I will walk, through the fire!

You people like the kitties in the poker game, even though you know what's going to happen to them? And Dawn (among many other things), killed the show for me. I still watched them all, but the magics were gone.

You mean to say that the demon didn't use the kittens for petting and cuddling? I don't understand... That's what kittens are for!

As I said before, I blocked out the vast majority of those seasons. I'd like to pretend he was just super-fond of cats, like Hellboy.
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Post by: JimmyKustes on April 06, 2007, 03:16:51 PM
I hate dogs. They are the only creatures that make humans look less selfish. If you ever think a dog is protecting you from a stranger when it barks, keep in mind they are only protecting their house. Get attacked while walking one. See if they do shit.
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Post by: Sarah on April 06, 2007, 05:49:56 PM
You people like the kitties in the poker game, even though you know what's going to happen to them?
Kenkwan, those kittens were actors.  The demons didn't really eat them.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Stan on April 07, 2007, 09:40:49 PM
You people like the kitties in the poker game, even though you know what's going to happen to them?
Kenkwan, those kittens were actors.  The demons didn't really eat them.

Demons are real.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Sarah on April 08, 2007, 11:34:13 AM
But those demons were working for scale at the time, and kitten eating was not one of their perks.  I cannot vouch for what happened when everyone clocked out for the day, but on set no allurophagia took place. 
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Post by: johnfgillson on April 09, 2007, 01:55:28 AM
I'm usually with Tom but I do like meat.

The NBA is way better than NCAA. I'd much rather watch top tier players showcase their talents than whiny coaches showcase their recruiting skills. March Madness is great but it's not because the college game is better, it's because it's set up so wonderful and the only time gambling is accepted in all walks of life, so everyone has a rooting interest. But other than those first couple rounds of March Madness the NBA is much better.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: scotttsss on April 09, 2007, 09:43:33 PM
Yeah Pan's Labyrinth was wonderful, and I think Tom didn't see it, he'd only seen the trailers, which I can understand is enough to not want to see a movie most times.  I'm sure if he watched it he'd enjoy it.  It was advertised as a very crazy goofy Alice type of thing, and many reviewers said that it was completely mind blowing and as if walking out of a different world when exiting...but no, it was very much based in the real world of course, and as far as anti-war/fascism movies was very watchable without being typically heavy handed.  ...and any movie with Sergi López is immediately worth seeing, esp. Dirty Pretty Things...deliciously nefarious...
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Post by: Laurie on April 09, 2007, 10:16:53 PM
I love Burt's Bees products. I don't know what I'd do without my lemon poppy seed facial cleanser. Plus, I think I look cute with little poppy seeds splattered all over my face.

Also, I shop at Epicure, which is sort of like a more Jewish version of New York's Zabar's, and at Norman Brothers, which is more like Whole Foods than Epicure, I think. I grew up on Norman Brothers milkshakes. They're awesome. Wait, scratch that, Gardner's Market and Fresh Market are more like Whole Foods, and I shop at Fresh Market all the time. Gardner's Market is expensive, but they have great ready-made food for cheap.

Granted, I love a Publix cupcake, so I'm not a total elitist when it comes to grocery shopping. I just know I'm less apt to buy produce at regular supermarkets after an incident I had with a cantaloupe. I had stuff coming out of both ends. Turns out their melons were tainted with salmonella. YUM!
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: kenkwan on April 10, 2007, 10:59:49 AM
You people like the kitties in the poker game, even though you know what's going to happen to them?
Kenkwan, those kittens were actors.  The demons didn't really eat them.

Wait, whut! The kittens were actors? Were they all actors? The Vampires, The Slayer!
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Sarah on April 10, 2007, 05:10:50 PM
See replies 50 and 51, above.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: buffcoat on April 13, 2007, 10:55:17 AM
I love golf.  Golf, golf, Golf!  When you're doing well, it's the second best way in the universe to spend an afternoon.

That is, if you're lucky.  Some people I've known think it's #1.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Emily on April 13, 2007, 11:03:21 AM
playing soccer being the first, ..
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Post by: GetOffMyBone on July 15, 2007, 09:54:33 PM
The NBA is way better than NCAA. I'd much rather watch top tier players showcase their talents than whiny coaches showcase their recruiting skills. March Madness is great but it's not because the college game is better, it's because it's set up so wonderful and the only time gambling is accepted in all walks of life, so everyone has a rooting interest. But other than those first couple rounds of March Madness the NBA is much better.

Yeah! I don't get the anti-NBA pro-NCCA argument. There are a lot more good guys then Ron Artestesses in the pros then what the TV would lead you to believe.

I like Red Meat but I don't think Tom would mind. He eats fish I believe which I am not a fan of. We are even!

I also don't like the McFlurry. It made my throat sore! Advantage Tom. :(
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: LostInReno on July 15, 2007, 11:20:03 PM
I Like Fightclub the book and movie.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: chrisfoll577 on July 16, 2007, 07:15:19 AM
tom seems to have something against wfuv... on multiple occasions i can recall him taking shots at my college's great station and it gave me pause... sure it can be kind of lame some of the time, and has a distinctly different ethic than wfmu, but as far as stations go, i can always rely on wfuv to play consistent quality folky rock that i can put on in the background and enjoy.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Richard_From_CHI on July 16, 2007, 09:35:29 AM
I am going to go stand in line, in mid-town manhattan with 5000000000000000000 10 year olds to get the last Harry Potter book at midnight on Friday.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: erika on July 16, 2007, 09:54:27 AM
I liked Clerks. Did I admit that already? I know I did on the radio, but for whatever reason I'll put it in print.

Please don't hate me.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Richard_From_CHI on July 16, 2007, 10:00:50 AM
Keep on confessing. The Clerks one requires extra contrition.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Gregory on July 16, 2007, 10:22:57 AM
I like going to Enid's every once in a while
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: jed on July 16, 2007, 12:42:56 PM
I like going to Enid's every once in a while

Me too. The B.A. of that hostess notwithstanding, I love the Huevos Rancheros for breakfast.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: John Junk on July 16, 2007, 01:35:07 PM
I used to like Enid's a lot when I lived in Greenpoint.  I went there a lot before the smoking ban, and you'd just hit a wall of smoke when you went in there.  I was always amazed that some of the same people that drink there til 4 in the morning would come back to the same place to eat food the next day.  After the smoking ban its popularity briefly declined, but it seems like "it's back" in a big way, eh?  I don't really like that girl from Enon though.  Does she still work there?  I know she is a co-owner or something.

I like the Harry Potter movies, I gotta say.  I was a particularly big supporter when they were pitted against the more "serious" Lord of the Rings movies (booo!) so I think that makes my enthusiasm acceptable.  Saw the new movie and I liked it.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: jed on July 16, 2007, 02:37:42 PM
Even though I now find the verbal pacing annoying I still like This American Life.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Chris L on July 16, 2007, 02:57:02 PM
I just bought the Afghan Whigs' new greatest hits cd.  I recall Tom demanding that a caller renounce Greg Dulli on the air one time.   
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on July 16, 2007, 03:07:34 PM
I think Jeff Beck's slightly better than Jimmy Page.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Martin on July 16, 2007, 03:11:41 PM
Where to begin?

I like Tom Waits. I am not hostile towards The Band. I love jazz and meat (together or separately). I like Al Green too. And Todd Solondz's first two movies.

Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Sarah on July 16, 2007, 04:21:18 PM
I did not like Clifford.
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Post by: bruce on July 16, 2007, 04:43:21 PM
I just bought the Afghan Whigs' new greatest hits cd.  I recall Tom demanding that a caller renounce Greg Dulli on the air one time.   
Ha Greatest Hits, I still listen to Gentlemen all the time in the car
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: TL on July 16, 2007, 04:47:26 PM
I just bought the Afghan Whigs' new greatest hits cd.  I recall Tom demanding that a caller renounce Greg Dulli on the air one time.   

I'm pro "Up in It" and "Congregation," and I'll go to the wall for Al Green.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Spalding on July 17, 2007, 12:55:15 PM
I think Lenny Bruce is funny, but the recently released 6 CD box set is not a good place to start.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: High Rise Denudes on July 17, 2007, 01:16:43 PM
Tom's right about how terrible Tom Waits is, Clerks, This American Life, etc, etc, etc.
That's all terrible.
But now more than once I've heard him bashing Giorgio Moroder.
(http://www.nathankowald.com/uploaded_images/moroder-713914.jpg)

LAY OFF GIORGIO ALRIGHT?

(also I don't remember what Tom said about Pan's Labyrinth, but that movie really wasn't that great.)

Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Omar on July 17, 2007, 02:28:36 PM

(also I don't remember what Tom said about Pan's Labyrinth, but that movie really wasn't that great.)



Appropriate for the discussion with Patton last week: "I know I will die having not seen Pan's Labyrinth." -- Tom, 2/27/07

From the recap:

"Of all the nominated films, Tom says he will never see Pan’s Labyrinth because it looks like the creepiest, most unpleasant movie ever. PFT's seen it, and it is! He says it's worth a rental. Tom knows he will die having not seen it. The clips of the guy with the eyes on the hands were enough to scare Tom off."
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Tom Scharpling on July 17, 2007, 03:15:39 PM
I love Georgio Moroder!

I just hate his limp soundtrack for SCARFACE.

Don't tell me that YOU like the SCARFACE soundtrack?! Do you?

Tom.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: TL on July 17, 2007, 03:28:08 PM
He ruined Fritz Lang's "Metropolis," too.
Or, at least, they made a crummy version of it with his crummy soundtrack.
I guess he didn't "ruin" it...
I'll stop arguing with myself now, o.k.?
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: bruce on July 17, 2007, 05:08:53 PM
No he ruined it TL with all those awful 80's singers
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: High Rise Denudes on July 19, 2007, 06:41:41 PM
Hey Tom, you've been playing more rap in recent years.. are you familiar w/ the mid-90s Mobb Deep single "G.O.D. Pt. III"?

They rap over a loop of your favorite song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZmUl7-vY54
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Emily on July 20, 2007, 04:24:44 PM
HARRY POTTER!!!!!!!!!!

I AM SO EXCITED FOR POTTER MANIA!

I CANNOT WAIT!
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Ason on July 21, 2007, 02:10:22 PM
I logged in just to say Dave Sim is eccentric and has controversial opinions
but the Cerebus book and what he did with it is an amazing feat

I hate that people dismiss his work just because he's argued some odd view points
the man paved the way for the independent publishing and artist owned characters in comics.

The nature of artists is they look at the world somewhat askew
that's what makes them interesting


Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Ason on July 21, 2007, 02:39:54 PM
Oh yeah Death Proof was pretty hard to take

not the best movie in the world
but there is something there

well at least several cool scenes
I've been rewatching it lately, this scene is fantastic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mITph_lxFQc

if you toss out things like traditional pacing, plot, internal logic

this film is Tarantino's ode to the female form more than to any old grindhouse movie
this dude is just really into women and he wants to share that with you

Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: erika on July 21, 2007, 02:40:58 PM
HARRY POTTER!!!!!!!!!!

I AM SO EXCITED FOR POTTER MANIA!

I CANNOT WAIT!

my best friend just picked up a copy. 35 bucks FOR A CHILDREN'S BOOK.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Emily on July 21, 2007, 04:06:09 PM
i think that's the suggested retail price. it is a hard cover 750 page book, but you could get it online from target or costco for $18 or B&N for $21 - (pre shipping) not sure what their in-store price is. i'm pretty sure you can download the entire book online for free, & there's always your local library -- though you may have to wait a few months for your turn, it would be entirely free.

or i could lend you mine when im done - aka: at dawn.

dorkily yours,
emily
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Andy on July 22, 2007, 11:54:43 AM
I'm sorry, but I like Paul F. Tompkins
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on July 22, 2007, 02:45:33 PM
I would think that's pre-req of being FOT
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Richard_From_CHI on July 23, 2007, 09:34:55 AM
HARRY POTTER!!!!!!!!!!

I AM SO EXCITED FOR POTTER MANIA!

I CANNOT WAIT!

my best friend just picked up a copy. 35 bucks FOR A CHILDREN'S BOOK.

Only chumps pay retail. I got mine for $20.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Tom Scharpling on July 23, 2007, 04:02:25 PM
I'm sorry that Ason owns one of those computers that charges you a penny every time you use punctuation. Before anyone here judges, a penny might not seem like much, but just think about how many times you should use proper punctuation in a post - Ason would've been out something like twelve cents in the last day! That can really add up.

And at one point, Quentin Tarantino was more concerned with more than paying tribute to the female form.

Tom.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Ason on July 23, 2007, 10:14:12 PM
Yo, I'm from the streets

Don't oppress me with your fascist European spelling and punctuation conventions.

it is hard to defend Death Proof, like you said on the show it makes you wanna go back and watch his older work to see if he's been pulling the same tricks this whole time and sure enouugh--he has. But still there is something good there.... some genius even. Even if it's just one singular trancendent scene. Which is more than a lot of hacky filmmakers.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Dorvid Barnas on October 04, 2007, 02:32:22 PM
I'll go ahead and say it.   I still like the Red Hot Chili Peppers.  I don't love them like I did in 1991, but I still like them.
Sure, Anthony Keidis is a terrible singer and lyricist. Probably the worst in the world.  And when he raps? Ew boy.

But I guess I'm able to kind of listen past that and focus on Flea and John Frusciante, who I think are both GREAT at what they do.

I'll still listen to Blood Sugar Sex Magic occasionally, and I think their latest album is good, too.
There. I said it. 
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Beth on October 04, 2007, 05:42:54 PM
i like a lot of things tom hates, like this american life, tom waits, and harry potter.

netflix recommended the movie "together" to me last week and i put it in my cue. we'll see about this one.

i also have laughed at older kevin smith movies, although tom certainly has many valid reasons for not liking kevin smith. i knew some kids in college who paid 35 DOLLARS to go see kevin smith LECTURE! i mean, why?
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Beth on October 04, 2007, 05:43:37 PM
oh, and i really enjoyed grindhouse.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: masterofsparks on October 04, 2007, 07:24:48 PM
Tom Waits, Crispin Glover, Al Green and John from Cincinnati. I also like the Afghan Whigs. I even like the Twilight Singers.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Forrest on October 04, 2007, 08:42:58 PM
I think the Jesus Lizard are okay and that Arcade Fire put out two of the best records of the last ten years.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: erika on October 04, 2007, 10:27:52 PM
I love Judd Apatow movies!

 ;D
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Jason on October 04, 2007, 10:48:07 PM
The over-time kids played the Chilli Peppers at work today, one of them went and turned up the volume wayyy loud. Then they all gave each other knowing smiles and cocked their heads in time to the music.

Also, old skool Billy Connoly was funny.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Beth on October 04, 2007, 11:32:50 PM
I think the Jesus Lizard are okay and that Arcade Fire put out two of the best records of the last ten years.

oh yeah, i really love the arcade fire!
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Shaggy 2 Grote on October 06, 2007, 01:15:43 PM
I love Judd Apatow movies!

 ;D

Wait, does Tom not like Judd Apatow movies?  I hereby re-up my loyalty to the man.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Miles on October 06, 2007, 03:29:02 PM
Love skateboarding.
Hate Jay Retard.  You try watching his calculated aggro antics up close.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Denim Gremlin on October 06, 2007, 03:48:01 PM
I gotta admit, I love Quentin Tarantino and I thought Grindhouse was really fun time, at least the trailers and Deathproof.

but Robert Rodriguez is always awful. 
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Beth on November 19, 2007, 09:00:45 PM
i'll momentarily revive this thread to say that I finally saw "together" and I loved it. I watched it 3 times before mailing it back to netflix.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Andy on November 19, 2007, 09:05:09 PM
Is it just me, or did Neon Bible just sound like a low-fi Sam's Town?
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Beth on November 19, 2007, 09:23:11 PM
The Killer's album? I don't know. They're both poppy as all hell, which is great, but Arcade Fire grabs me in a way the Killers never will--- I feel like it's more...organic?? (don't hate me for using that word). The Killers have some fun radio singles, but I never really want to play their albums over and over like I do with Arcade Fire.

I'm really not crazy about the first song on Neon Bible...which kind of sucks, because for me a good first song is crucial. But the rest of the album is steller...especially the song "Intervention".

They've got kind of a Bruce Springsteen thing going on this album as well, which is just great. I saw them at Randall's island last month...and they were one of the best live bands I've ever seen...dare I say the best?
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Andy on November 19, 2007, 10:03:11 PM
I didn't like Neon Bible, but I didn't give it more than 3 listens.

I do, on the other hand like Sam's Town

both of these statements are probably appropriate to announce in this thread.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Beth on November 20, 2007, 10:15:16 AM
I didn't like Neon Bible, but I didn't give it more than 3 listens.

I do, on the other hand like Sam's Town

both of these statements are probably appropriate to announce in this thread.

I didn't like it at all at first, probably because i thought they couldn't top funeral. it took about 10 listens before it hooked me, but once it did, i loved it.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 20, 2007, 10:30:05 AM
Tom Waits, Crispin Glover, Al Green and John from Cincinnati. I also like the Afghan Whigs. I even like the Twilight Singers.

I have been touting Crispin Glover as the next James Bond for years. Batman, too.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Chris L on November 20, 2007, 10:41:52 AM
Tom Waits, Crispin Glover, Al Green and John from Cincinnati. I also like the Afghan Whigs. I even like the Twilight Singers.

I have been touting Crispin Glover as the next James Bond for years. Batman, too.

Crispin Glover would actually make a great Riddler. 
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: samir on November 20, 2007, 11:16:02 AM
Gotta say... the Killers' cover of 'Shadowplay' is pretty damn good. I like Joy Division and all, but I can appreciate a good reworking. I kind of feel like this deserves an apology, if only to annoying purists.

Thoughts? Listen here: http://julioenriquez.blogspot.com/2007/10/control-soundtrack-i-cant-even-describe.html (http://julioenriquez.blogspot.com/2007/10/control-soundtrack-i-cant-even-describe.html)
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: erika on November 20, 2007, 01:21:02 PM
(http://on-a-bed-of-california-stars.org/_img/random/deadwood.jpg)

*love*
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Phantom Hugger on November 20, 2007, 05:05:16 PM
(http://on-a-bed-of-california-stars.org/_img/random/deadwood.jpg)

*love*

Did Tom ever really bash Deadwood; mostly he just complained about how it was warping his nephew while they were waiting for it to turn into a "good olde timme family friendly western".

The mustachios couldn't have helped.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Forrest on November 20, 2007, 06:55:55 PM
I didn't like Neon Bible, but I didn't give it more than 3 listens.

I do, on the other hand like Sam's Town

both of these statements are probably appropriate to announce in this thread.

Apologize for that remark!
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: masterofsparks on November 20, 2007, 08:00:58 PM
If liking Deadwood is wrong, I don't want to be right.

I also like blues music.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: erika on December 05, 2007, 01:33:10 PM
being home sick from work today with a swollen throat and a low fever, I set aside what pride I have and went to the store, the gas station, and the phamacy in my pj's.

I'd like to say I was the only person in the store wearing such a thing, but I saw at least 3 other people sporting huge plaid flannel pants.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Shaggy 2 Grote on December 05, 2007, 02:32:10 PM
Erika, I believe that mode of dress is acceptable as long as you have a sweatpants license.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Kibblesmith on December 05, 2007, 03:34:09 PM
Oh here's the thread I needed last night.

An Apologist For: Basement dwellers. We're not all Spike.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Dorvid Barnas on December 05, 2007, 03:44:09 PM
Anyone who watches As The World Turns at night should be put on a government list.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on December 05, 2007, 11:36:18 PM
being home sick from work today with a swollen throat and a low fever, I set aside what pride I have and went to the store, the gas station, and the phamacy in my pj's.

I'd like to say I was the only person in the store wearing such a thing, but I saw at least 3 other people sporting huge plaid flannel pants.

Erika, I believe that mode of dress is acceptable as long as you are a supercaller. At least I hope so.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: samir on December 05, 2007, 11:46:06 PM
having just listened to the hour long clerks 2 review... i confess, i quite enjoy the clerks animated series. nothing else smith-ian, just those cartoons. none of the flicks.
may god have mercy on my soul.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: dvdv on December 05, 2007, 11:57:09 PM
I have an intensely strong dislike of Magnolia.  I have an equally strong dislike of Fight Club which I guess saved me from the great "Fight Club Myspace Purge of 07".
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: John Junk on December 06, 2007, 01:07:13 AM
I had a drunken argument with my brother one time.  My brother liked Fight Club and American Beauty, hated Magnolia.  I loved Magnolia, LOATHED American Beauty, and ultimately disliked Fight Club.  If this drunken three-way debate had a winner, I think it was Fight Club:

American Beauty vs. Fight Club = Fight Club wins
Fight Club's woman-hating is at least out in the open, as is its general misanthropy.  American Beauty, on the other hand, is sly and covert, and manipulative in its woman-hating and misanthropy, thus making it ultimately more contemptible.  Plus they rip off George Kuchar in it. 

Fight Club vs. Magnolia = Fight Club wins!
My bro uses the emotionally manipulative plea to tear down Magnolia.  He sees it as melodramatic and insufferable in its heavy-handedness.  Those Aimee Mann songs are getting his goat.  I testify that the movie irritates him because its basic message is a sort of an assertion of the Judeo-Christian idea of working on problems, sticking by people through the darkness, helping one another out, acknowledging and working through adversity.  He counters that its whiney.  He basically uses the same argument I used against American Beauty against Magnolia.  I am ultimately hamstrung and destroyed by my girlfriend's ultimate agreement with him that the film is too manipulative and depressing.  Somehow making fun of a guy who has man-boobs at a cancer survivor meeting is more socially redemptive than P.T. Anderson's earnest attempt to create a rupture of sincerity in the contemporary existential malaise.  I'm left wondering if even I like Magnolia, or if I just liked the idea of liking Magnolia.

I still hate Fight Club.  I don't know if I like Magnolia or not.  American Beauty is still one of my least favorite movies ever.  I hate it so much I think it's the first movie to earn my enmity.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: ian on December 06, 2007, 01:14:54 AM
Yeah, Fight Club wasn't heavy-handed and whiny or anything.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: dvdv on December 06, 2007, 01:38:09 AM
My issue with Fight Club (besides everything about it) is that it posits that the WORST thing about Global Capitalism is that it makes middle class white dudes feel inadequate.  Well, I gotta go to bed as I'm handing out fliers on the quad early tomorrow morning. 
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Chris L on December 06, 2007, 08:04:29 AM
I rewatched MAGNOLIA when it was on late a couple of months ago.  It's still the same sobbing, high-strung cokehead movie that I remembered.  Before, I used to hate on ideological grounds that such a thing existed.  Not so much anymore... maybe because I listen to Fleetwood Mac now. 

I still think of FIGHT CLUB as one of the most visually inventive movies of the last ten years, even though it's completely daft and repugnant.  ZODIAC was so good I've been tempted to revisit it lately.  Rich white guys mocking cancer patients, here I come(?)!
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: senorcorazon on December 06, 2007, 10:35:23 AM
I still think of FIGHT CLUB as one of the most visually inventive movies of the last ten years, even though it's completely daft and repugnant.

Yes, I secretly like Fight Club. But in the same way that a person could like eating whipped cream from the can; you know there's little to nothing redeemable about it, and you look both ways before opening the fridge and feel shamed after doing it. But in the awful years I spent as an office monkey on the road trying to pay off student loans I could identify with the whole montage of waking up confused in different cities and hoping your plane would smash into something.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: erika on December 06, 2007, 10:47:00 AM
I watched food network for 5 hours yesterday.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: senorcorazon on December 06, 2007, 11:16:11 AM
I watched food network for 5 hours yesterday.

That is nothing to apologize for, unless it included Rachel Ray. Food porn is awesome.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: buffcoat on December 06, 2007, 11:40:22 AM
I like all three of them fine.  American Beauty doesn't age very well.  I like Edward Norton, and I like Helena Bonham Carter.  And, honestly, dvdv, I like Global Capitalism, too.

If you want a really emotionally manipulative movie, try fucking "Crash" (Haggis, not Cronenberg, although "yuck" to the latter.)  As Gene Simmons told 80s Bowie "I wish he would go back and do Ziggy Stardust again," I say to Paul Haggis - we loved you in that one "Mr. Merlin" episode, and the "Who's the Boss," one, too.  Go back to that.

And if you want a movie that is total garbage, try "Gladiator."  "Maximus."  ARE YOU KIDDING ME?  "MAXIMUS?"  THAT'S THE BEST YOU COULD COME UP WITH, YOU MORONS?

I think no one on the planet hates "Gladiator" as much as me.  And I only saw it once, in the theater, so it may not even be that bad.  I had just read "The Twelve Caesars," so maybe I was just angry about the portrayal of Marcus Aurelius.   But I will never have respect for the Best Picture Oscar again after those two.

Ohhh, I hate that "Maximus."
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: scotttsss on December 06, 2007, 01:14:00 PM

I think no one on the planet hates "Gladiator" as much as me.
Ohhh, I hate that "Maximus."

No no you're not alone at all there, don't worry.  I finally watched it after years of hating it without seeing it.  At least now I'm justified in hating it...but it wasn't worth sitting through.  I watched it after seeing and enjoying Master and Commander.  I mean, say what you will, that was a fun adventure movie.  Gladiator though...  yeah, so horrible.  I wasn't shocked by the Oscar win though...  Remember when Dances With Wolves won instead of Goodfellas?
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: buffcoat on December 06, 2007, 01:52:43 PM

I think no one on the planet hates "Gladiator" as much as me.
Ohhh, I hate that "Maximus."

No no you're not alone at all there, don't worry.  I finally watched it after years of hating it without seeing it.  At least now I'm justified in hating it...but it wasn't worth sitting through.  I watched it after seeing and enjoying Master and Commander.  I mean, say what you will, that was a fun adventure movie.  Gladiator though...  yeah, so horrible.  I wasn't shocked by the Oscar win though...  Remember when Dances With Wolves won instead of Goodfellas?

Goodfellas.  Now there's a movie that has actually held up.  I watched it 6 months ago.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Forrest on December 06, 2007, 03:00:22 PM
If you want a really emotionally manipulative movie, try fucking "Crash"

I couldn't agree more. Aside from being the worst Best Picture-winner of all time, it now occupies a spot in my hate pit.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on December 06, 2007, 04:28:15 PM
Cronenberg too edgy for you?
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Forrest on December 06, 2007, 05:02:51 PM
Cronenberg too edgy for you?

Dave, I was referring to the film that won Best Picture at the Oscars, not the one that won America's hearts.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Sarah on December 06, 2007, 05:18:15 PM
And features a really cool actress in a gimpy leading role.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on December 06, 2007, 08:43:38 PM
Cronenberg too edgy for you?

Dave, I was referring to the film that won Best Picture at the Oscars, not the one that won America's hearts.

Oh
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: buffcoat on December 07, 2007, 09:24:13 AM
Cronenberg too edgy for you?

Dave, I was referring to the film that won Best Picture at the Oscars, not the one that won America's hearts.

Oh

"His car must reek of semen."

Thx, Dave from Cronenberg.  I really needed that to be imprinted on my brain for life.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Shaggy 2 Grote on December 07, 2007, 12:15:58 PM
You should read the JG Ballard book.  I lost it on a train a couple of years ago and was actually relieved.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: buffcoat on December 07, 2007, 04:25:44 PM
You should read the JG Ballard book.  I lost it on a train a couple of years ago and was actually relieved.

Good one!
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Shaggy 2 Grote on December 07, 2007, 05:05:41 PM
Thanks, Buffcoat, except that I'm not kidding. 
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: buffcoat on December 09, 2007, 10:33:30 PM
I know, Grote, that's what made it so great!

I have several books that I got partway through, loaned out and am very happy they were never returned.  Keep em, suckas!
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Vambo on December 10, 2007, 02:44:23 AM
I watched it after seeing and enjoying Master and Commander.  I mean, say what you will, that was a fun adventure movie. 

I was jaded, having read all of O'Brian's books before seeing the film.  To do the books justice would require a mini series on a par with the Horatio Hornblower flicks.  You can't really cram into one film 20 odd books worth of naval adventuring and still have time to develop the characters and a lot of the non-action intrigue that makes the books so enjoyable.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: ian on December 20, 2007, 10:28:50 AM
I like Bruce Campbell.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: buffcoat on December 20, 2007, 04:37:30 PM
I like Bruce Campbell.

Does Tom dislike Bruce Campbell?
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Forrest on December 20, 2007, 04:40:54 PM
I like Bruce Campbell.

Does Tom dislike Bruce Campbell?

If memory serves me, Tom talks about Bruce Campbell on the archive from the 12/18/07 Best Show.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: masterofsparks on December 20, 2007, 05:04:50 PM
I admitted to liking Steely Dan over the air a couple of weeks ago, so I guess anything I could admit going forward would pale in comparison.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Matt on December 20, 2007, 06:03:41 PM
I admitted to liking Steely Dan over the air a couple of weeks ago, so I guess anything I could admit going forward would pale in comparison.

Don't be ashamed. Own it.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Forrest on December 20, 2007, 06:09:34 PM
I admitted to liking Steely Dan over the air a couple of weeks ago, so I guess anything I could admit going forward would pale in comparison.

Don't be ashamed. Own it.
I admitted to liking Steely Dan over the air a couple of weeks ago, so I guess anything I could admit going forward would pale in comparison.
!
Don't be ashamed. Own it.


Seconded. Isn't that one of the things we all find so compelling about Tom?...that he owns his opinions so completely. I say seek solace in your Steely Dan, your Bruce Campbell, your ABBA, and be proud!
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: masterofsparks on December 20, 2007, 07:19:00 PM
I agree. I'm not changing my mind just because Tom doesn't like it, but I'm still a little ashamed of myself. It is Steely Dan, after all.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Forrest on December 20, 2007, 07:53:42 PM
Masterofsparks, may I please ask what Best Show your signature is from? I must hear it.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: masterofsparks on December 20, 2007, 09:54:02 PM
I know it's from one of the Zachary Brimstead calls, but I'm not sure which one. Let me check and see if I can find it.

Edit: It's the Zachary Brimstead call (track 3) from The Best You Can Do Is Be Worse Than the Best Show, the CD you got as part of Tom's premium during pledge week. I don't know if the call ever aired. Anyway, the line is about 11:30 into the call.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Forrest on December 20, 2007, 10:48:10 PM
I found it, on a CD I got for the basement bargain price of $100. Thanks so much.

Speaking of, I want to make a generous donation to WFMU in '08. A certain 12/25/07 podcast would be oh-so-convincing....

(I would skip a court date to listen to the Best Show, but skipping my Grandmother's Christmas dinner would be unpardonable.)
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Shaggy 2 Grote on December 24, 2007, 07:23:30 PM
I like Steely Dan.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on December 24, 2007, 08:50:18 PM
I got your back, Jasongrote. Won't you take me by the hand?
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Beth on December 26, 2007, 12:04:50 PM
I'll join you guys on the Steely Dan bandwagon.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: stepheninchicago on December 27, 2007, 03:18:29 AM
I like Tom Waits, but I think his fans are a bit out of control...

I like Steely Dan and I've publicly stated so.

Steak, Jazz, etc. yeah...I dig that stuff too.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Stupornaut on January 08, 2008, 11:32:07 PM
Like 'em or not, Steely Dan aren't even the worst jazz-based rock group of the 1970s, thanks to Chicago. And at least they've been sampled in some great rap songs (De La Soul's "Eye Know"; MF DOOM's "Gas Drawlz"; Organized Konfusion's "Walk Into the Sun"; Kanye's "Champion").

I will admit to loving the music of Al Green and liking the Band well enough, plus I own every movie Tarantino's put out on DVD. I also think ABBA's great, Zappa is terrible and Kevin Smith should be put on the Hate Shuttle, so hopefully that puts me back at square one.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: ben on January 10, 2008, 12:40:35 AM
i like joanna newsome.  a lot actually, everyone i know who's heard of doesn't, but i adore her.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: yesno on January 10, 2008, 12:46:54 AM
i like joanna newsome.  a lot actually, everyone i know who's heard of doesn't, but i adore her.

I thought two songs on the first album were really good.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on January 10, 2008, 08:05:09 AM
I don't know that I adore her, but I like her. And I could pretty easily name 10 great Steely Dan songs too.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: iAmBaronVonTito on January 10, 2008, 10:51:11 AM
i want to know dave's steely dan top 10
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Wes on January 10, 2008, 11:20:10 AM
I will also own my Steely Dan fandom.

And as someone who appreciates both bands, I believe that, if it came down to it, Becker & Fagen could take Benny and Bjorn in a street fight. Agnetha and Frida would probably walk out on top if they took on the winners, though.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on January 10, 2008, 02:44:07 PM
Here's 10 that I think are great

Dirty Work, Only a Fool Would Say That, Fire In the Hole, Bodhisattva, The Boston Rag, Your Gold Teeth, Night By Night, With a Gun, Dr Wu, Black Friday

Plus, the final instrumental section of the song "Aja" has my second favorite drum performance of all time.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Matt on January 10, 2008, 02:50:38 PM
I saw mention of Steely Dan, and I had to come up with my own list -

In no order:

1. Razor Boy
2. The Boston Rag
3. Barrytown
4. Only a Fool Would Say That
5. Any Major Dude Will Tell You
6. Your Gold Teeth II
7. Pearl of the Quarter
8. Gaucho
9. Everyone's Gone to the Movies
10. (tie) Rose Darling/Green Earrings

Charlie Freak and Bad Sneakers are favorites as well.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Josh on January 18, 2008, 07:39:20 PM
I still like hockey.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Gilly on January 21, 2008, 08:15:07 PM
I liked Planet Terror. Death Proof was awful but I thought Planet Terror was a lot of fun. So I'm only making a half-hearted apology.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: GetOffMyBone on January 29, 2008, 12:20:09 PM
I liked Lasagna Cat, sorry.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: yesno on January 30, 2008, 06:29:02 PM
I liked Lasagna Cat, sorry.

I must have missed this.  Did Tom come out against Lasagna Cat?

I thought it was one of the funniest things I've seen in months.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Phantom Hugger on January 30, 2008, 06:34:02 PM
I will see Ween every time they are in town.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: bruce on January 30, 2008, 07:02:56 PM
I liked Planet Terror. Death Proof was awful but I thought Planet Terror was a lot of fun. So I'm only making a half-hearted apology.
I loved all of Grindhouse and I'm hopeful the DVD of the whole thing comes out.

But I also think of Vanishing Point as a killer action film.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Forrest on January 30, 2008, 10:24:27 PM
I think Brooklyn-based band the Liars are pretty awesome. Great, even.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Joe Don from Astoria on January 30, 2008, 10:25:44 PM
In Death Proof, I appreciated Kurt Russell's managing to create another indelible character, and the exciting delightfully non-CGI car chase the ends the movie.  It's a good movie if you're really liberal with the FFWD button.  Because yeah, the lengthy dialogue is draining and annoying, as is QT's continuing need to get in front of the camera despite the world's protests.

I like Blazing Saddles.  The friendship between Cleavon Little and Gene Wilder is sweet and funny, a warm center that Mel Brooks lost track of in his later gagfests.  Remember Wilder's wise counsel after the new sheriff is sitting dejected after the townspeople's rude reception:  "You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers, these are people of the land, the common clay of the new west. You know--morons."  And Howard Johnson was right about Olsen Johnson being right.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: dania on January 30, 2008, 11:18:21 PM
Anybody else torn on Jesus Lizard?
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Gregory on January 30, 2008, 11:55:09 PM
I live in a certain section of Brooklyn.





Maybe this should go in the embarrassing confessions thread.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Martin on January 31, 2008, 12:34:45 AM
I like Blazing Saddles.

I will never apologize for Blazing Saddles. It's one of my favorites.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Josh on January 31, 2008, 01:08:23 AM
(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2082/btsunglassesgallery4886ct1.jpg)
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: John Junk on January 31, 2008, 01:13:42 AM
I think Brooklyn-based band the Liars are pretty awesome. Great, even.

Tom used to play the Liars all the time. Especially the 2nd (and 3rd?) albums.  This new one I heard a track from the other day.  Eww boy.


Also, back on topic, I hate Patti Smith.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: masterofsparks on January 31, 2008, 06:23:48 AM
I hate Patti Smith too. And the Replacements.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Laurie on January 31, 2008, 07:57:42 AM
Anybody else torn on Jesus Lizard?

No. Now, the Jesus and Mary Chain... That's something else. There's no need to apologize for the Jesus and Mary Chain ever.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: <<<<< on January 31, 2008, 10:43:23 PM
Anybody else torn on Jesus Lizard?

Pretty acceptable to feel torn about them.  They were that sort of band.  Admittedly, their recorded material didn't always grab me.  They were best appreciated live, in a small room, and preferrably with a few beers in your system.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Tim K in DC on February 07, 2008, 03:44:36 AM
I think Brooklyn-based band the Liars are pretty awesome. Great, even.

I like the band, but I hate them for basically co-opting the word sound more justifiably associated with the Lyres. It's probably top on the list of things that make Jeff Connolly go bat-shit. Whenever I read "The Liars" in a concert report, I always say something to the effect of "the fake Liars, the lying Liars, not to be confused with the real Lyres from Boston."
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: KickTheBobo on February 15, 2008, 04:38:04 PM
For a 3D character modeling class, I came up with "Scoots Pickleston", who is pretty much the same as Billy Crystal's "Jazzman" character.

I'm sorry: I love the "old black man" archetype!

really though, I was just trying to come up with something that wasn't a robot or Elf-Warrior or pokemon like everyone else in the class.

the offending clip:

[youtube]55w3T4QjtpE[/youtube]
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: stepheninchicago on February 19, 2008, 06:41:39 PM
There's no doubt in my mind that The Jesus Lizard was the best band of the 90s.


Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: nkrauter on February 19, 2008, 08:10:04 PM
I own Stroszek.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: John Junk on February 21, 2008, 10:06:00 PM
I kinda liked the four episodes of Lasagna Cat I saw.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: yesno on February 21, 2008, 10:08:43 PM
I kinda liked the four episodes of Lasagna Cat I saw.

Lasagna Cat is really, really funny.  It's the fact that the video remixes depend entirely on material from the strip remake they do.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Gilly on February 23, 2008, 08:40:18 PM
I liked Juno a lot. I don't know if it's Oscar worthy, but it was good.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: bruce on February 23, 2008, 10:49:29 PM
There's no doubt in my mind that The Jesus Lizard was the best live band of the 90s.


Corrected
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: JonFromMaplewood on February 24, 2008, 12:19:09 AM
I like Entertainment Weekly's book reviews.  It's not all Alan Dean Foster novelizations. I found out about Jhumpa Lahiri from there.

I also take about 30 minutes to read EW, way more than Tom's average time.  32 minutes if it's the Fall Movie Preview issue.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: senorcorazon on February 26, 2008, 01:38:36 PM
I kinda liked the four episodes of Lasagna Cat I saw.

Lasagna Cat is really, really funny.  It's the fact that the video remixes depend entirely on material from the strip remake they do.

I think this is better: http://garfieldminusgarfield.tumblr.com/
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: John Junk on February 26, 2008, 01:58:24 PM
That IS better.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Matt on February 26, 2008, 02:26:49 PM
That IS better.

Agreed. Bookmarked!

(http://data.tumblr.com/fSymsOGXO5e1b21eU04grdbj_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: JonFromMaplewood on February 26, 2008, 02:34:46 PM

(http://data.tumblr.com/fSymsOGXO5kzbk7hwJtjZXar_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: samir on February 26, 2008, 03:20:42 PM
I think this is better: http://garfieldminusgarfield.tumblr.com/
Thanks for making me laugh out loud repeatedly in Employment Law.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Shaggy 2 Grote on February 27, 2008, 11:45:49 AM
I think this is better: http://garfieldminusgarfield.tumblr.com/
Thanks for making me laugh out loud repeatedly in Employment Law.

Genius!  Someone should syndicate this.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Gilly on February 27, 2008, 04:24:10 PM
Wow! That is amazing.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Forrest on February 27, 2008, 04:55:22 PM
I would totally buy a compenduim of these.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: senorcorazon on February 27, 2008, 05:09:49 PM
I wish we could find out who made these - the are genius.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: gravy boat on February 27, 2008, 05:18:05 PM
Funny?? They are missing the best part - the cat.  Am I missing something?  This is like Hagar the Horrible without that lovable neer-do-well Viking!  Or Two and Half Men without Charlie Sheen!!

To each his own, I s'pose.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Shaggy 2 Grote on February 27, 2008, 10:50:18 PM
Funny?? They are missing the best part - the cat.  Am I missing something?  This is like Hagar the Horrible without that lovable neer-do-well Viking!  Or Two and Half Men without Charlie Sheen!!

To each his own, I s'pose.

Or Diablo Cody's delightful Oscar speech without Diablo Cody!

Oh, wait.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Regular Joe on February 27, 2008, 11:30:15 PM
I think this is better: http://garfieldminusgarfield.tumblr.com/
Thanks for making me laugh out loud repeatedly in Employment Law.

Genius!  Someone should syndicate this.

Also, see this: http://www.tailsteak.com/arbuckle/

I made one a long time ago for them, and it was wonderful! Trust me (because I can't find it now)!
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on February 28, 2008, 08:39:38 AM
I am not creative enough to pull this off, but it's got to be mentioned. The logical next step is an entry into the never-ending (THANK GOD) contest called "The Best Show on WFMU With Tom Scharpling Without Tom Scharpling"
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Regular Joe on March 01, 2008, 07:17:04 AM
I am not creative enough to pull this off, but it's got to be mentioned. The logical next step is an entry into the never-ending (THANK GOD) contest called "The Best Show on WFMU With Tom Scharpling Without Tom Scharpling"

(http://www.sethskim.com/Josiah's%201st%20Camping%20Trip%20-%20Tent.JPG)

Done!
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: ericluxury on March 04, 2008, 02:29:05 PM
Wet Hot American Summer (and "that whole scene")
Even though I now find the verbal pacing annoying I still like This American Life.
I like both of those things, but I like listening to Tom insult the things I like more than the things I don't. Can anyone tell me where both of those takedowns are located?

Also, I've had a nice time watching football at the Turkey's Nest a couple times.
I think its praise and place in rock history is inflated, but I enjoy Sgt. Pepper every time I hear it.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Omar on March 04, 2008, 02:44:43 PM
I like both of those things, but I like listening to Tom insult the things I like more than the things I don't. Can anyone tell me where both of those takedowns are located?

TAL takedown = 5/8/07  (http://www.recidivism.org/2007/05/leave_me_alone.html)

- Nathan from Richmond, Virginia, calls (starts at 1:00) to question his subscription to the "This American Life" podcast. He never listens to it, but he kept it on his computer thinking that he might fire it up in the background while he cleaned his room. Alas, it never really panned out. He liked the program and the idea of it in the podcast format, but he finally had to cut his ties. Tom thinks "This American Life" is a garbage snoozefest featuring eggheads trying to sound wittier than the next. In short: pure junk. Tom informs Nathan that the Showtime television adaptation is as bad as one could imagine. He didn't think the least dynamic radio show ever improved much with added value of seeing host Ira Glass sit at a desk in the middle of a field. Tom saw it, and he was done with it. He rejects the notion that you're stupid if you don't like "This American Life".

The State and "that scene" =10/17/06 (http://www.recidivism.org/2006/10/been_there_done_that_bought_th.html)

- It’s time (starts at 1:08) for Tom to review and restructure your Netflix queue for maximum enjoyment. First up is Nathan, a student of comedy in the midst of a tour through his favorites of the past decade, including: The Office (UK), The Comedians Of Comedy: The Movie (I saw the s hit out of this and it’s almost as mandatory as Coupon: The Movie), Zach Galifianakis Live (not yet released), and Stella. After a rock-solid start, this earns an “Eww, boy” from Tom. Tom wonders if he really wants to watch it, but Nathan loves the show. Nathan continues with Mr. Show, The Kids in the Hall, SCTV, Strangers With Candy, Upright Citizens Brigade, The Baxter, and Wet Hot American Summer. Tom’s not thrilled with the last two films, but Nathan says he’s simply hitting all the angles of the alt.comedy scene. Nathan finishes with Home Movies. Tom reveals that H. Jon Benjamin will be on the show next week. Nathan is pleased to hear that and says he also can’t live without Andy Kindler.

Tom says it’s a pretty impeccable selection of comedy, but he’d like to see an influx of Alec Guinness into his queue. He recommends three of his classic Ealing comedies: his unbelievable turn as a creep and weirdo in the original The Ladykillers, his eight (!) roles in Kind Hearts and Coronets, and The Lavender Hill Mob. Tom informs Nathan that Guinness is the godfather of all British comedy -- he begat Peter Sellers who begat Peter Cook who begat Monty Python collective. Nathan said he plans to also cram the 100-disc Monty Python box set into his queue. Tom says he gets depressed when he sees Guinness walking around in a stupid, brown robe in Star Wars, saying lines like "Use the force, Luke." Nathan will take Tom’s advice and add the films to his queue.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: ericluxury on March 04, 2008, 02:52:07 PM
Thank you Omar.
Weird that it's the same caller.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Shaggy 2 Grote on March 27, 2008, 12:04:29 PM
I liked World War Hulk, though I agree that the Hulk is generally a lame character.  I did love him when I was four years old, though.  Gee, I wonder what that's all about?
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Stupornaut on April 16, 2008, 09:56:40 AM
Metal. You want childish/angry/stupid, there's a lot more in the album art/liner notes of the Back from the Grave comps than on any Mastodon record.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Gagneaux on May 19, 2008, 08:26:34 AM
I enjoy listening to Vampire Weekend
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: fonpr on May 24, 2009, 12:05:35 PM
Steak, Jazz, Cigarettes

This was a Jarmusch movie with Tom Waits wasn't it?
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: akaJudge on May 25, 2009, 10:00:32 AM
I feel like I posted this somewhere else, but I'm pretty sure Tom hates everything I like.

Tom Waits, jazz, alt.country, Fight Club (I like the book much more than the movie, but who's that gonna shock?), Al Green, Clerks, Mallrats, Chasing Amy, blues....I suppose I could go on, but I shant.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: yesno on September 10, 2009, 12:18:00 PM
I will see Ween every time they are in town.

I finally saw Ween for the first time (at Red Rocks, no less), and it was good but not great.  Dean Ween's guitar solos scream, but most of their "rocking" songs kind of suck.  Overall, they have a lot of shitty songs, particularly from their last several albums. The Mollusk is such a great album, but after that, they should have packed it in.  (Plus, a lot of what I liked about Ween in the first place I've discovered in the original.  Why listen to copies of ELO and Fairport Convention when the real thing exists?)  Overall they're a good band, but why they have such an obsessed fanbase is beyond me, and it's kind of insulting to the Meat Puppets to be opening for them.

It could be that Red Rocks is just too big a venue for my taste.  I saw David Byrne there and wasn't impressed either.  (Best show of the year has been Black Hollies w/ maybe 10 in the audience on a weeknight.) Also I was not on drugs.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: MC Shakespeare on September 10, 2009, 08:04:14 PM
I enjoy the music of Soupjam Stevens.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Reeleyes on September 11, 2009, 12:11:45 AM
I could easily fill an entire page of this thread but let's just start with the fact that I have a Boognish tattoo and some (old) Star Wars ink as well. Maybe I'll get a best show tat in between them.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Christina on September 11, 2009, 06:54:56 AM
Steak, Jazz, Cigarettes

This was a Jarmusch movie with Tom Waits wasn't it?

No, it's the biography of Sam Fuller!
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Kid Pain on September 11, 2009, 11:05:43 AM
I could easily fill an entire page of this thread but let's just start with the fact that I have a Boognish tattoo and some (old) Star Wars ink as well. Maybe I'll get a best show tat in between them.

I don't have any tattoos, but I will say that I've seen Ween at least 75 times.

I went to a Gene Ween Band show last winter and I think I may have officially checked out.

Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: yesno on September 11, 2009, 11:20:40 AM
I could easily fill an entire page of this thread but let's just start with the fact that I have a Boognish tattoo and some (old) Star Wars ink as well. Maybe I'll get a best show tat in between them.

I don't have any tattoos, but I will say that I've seen Ween at least 75 times.

I went to a Gene Ween Band show last winter and I think I may have officially checked out.

A lot of the flithy hippies at the show really liked some of the (in my opinion) not-so-great songs like "Zoloft" and "Your Party."  I'll stand by "God Ween Satan," "The Pod," "Pure Guava" and "The Mollusk" being good albums, but they're not good to the level of supporting a whole subculture.

They went from being a funny weird band with some catchy songs, to a band that does 70s rock pastiche, to a kind of adult contemporary novelty act.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Reeleyes on September 11, 2009, 11:58:22 AM
I could easily fill an entire page of this thread but let's just start with the fact that I have a Boognish tattoo and some (old) Star Wars ink as well. Maybe I'll get a best show tat in between them.

I don't have any tattoos, but I will say that I've seen Ween at least 75 times.

I went to a Gene Ween Band show last winter and I think I may have officially checked out.

A lot of the flithy hippies at the show really liked some of the (in my opinion) not-so-great songs like "Zoloft" and "Your Party."  I'll stand by "God Ween Satan," "The Pod," "Pure Guava" and "The Mollusk" being good albums, but they're not good to the level of supporting a whole subculture.

They went from being a funny weird band with some catchy songs, to a band that does 70s rock pastiche, to a kind of adult contemporary novelty act.


I think that they were a novelty act but it afforded them the freedom to be really original and good but after the Mollusk and 12 Country Greats they started feeling the need to prove themselves as musicians and it's gone downhill a bit but I find good tracks on every album just not as many anymore.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: yesno on September 11, 2009, 12:16:11 PM
Yeah, I like 12 Golden Country Greats too.  Forgot that one.

I think you're correct.  Also, they've felt the need to do songs in every genre they can think of. 

"Shamemaker" has the best Philly accent outside of Roy and the Dead Milkmen.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Kid Pain on September 11, 2009, 12:55:59 PM
I could easily fill an entire page of this thread but let's just start with the fact that I have a Boognish tattoo and some (old) Star Wars ink as well. Maybe I'll get a best show tat in between them.

I don't have any tattoos, but I will say that I've seen Ween at least 75 times.

I went to a Gene Ween Band show last winter and I think I may have officially checked out.

A lot of the flithy hippies at the show really liked some of the (in my opinion) not-so-great songs like "Zoloft" and "Your Party."  I'll stand by "God Ween Satan," "The Pod," "Pure Guava" and "The Mollusk" being good albums, but they're not good to the level of supporting a whole subculture.

They went from being a funny weird band with some catchy songs, to a band that does 70s rock pastiche, to a kind of adult contemporary novelty act.


I think the subculture started because they were doing 3 hour shows with different sets each night for a while plus hours and hours of unreleased stuff that was pretty easy to find on the internet. A good band for obsessives.

Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Christina on September 11, 2009, 01:43:43 PM
I think the subculture started because they were doing 3 hour shows with different sets each night for a while plus hours and hours of unreleased stuff that was pretty easy to find on the internet. A good band for obsessives.

Obsessives love bands that let you tape their shows.

I've got a similar thing about Ween as many of you on this thread ... I listened to them early on in their history, in the '90s. Same w/the BH Surfers, but I got tired of both bands. Probably around the same time I stopped doing lots of bong hits.

I had some friends a few years ago who were super into Ween, and I went to a few recent shows with them in the last couple of years. Once was really fun & it was almost nostalgic, but then the next time I went it was overrun by fratboys who threw shit at the band.

Another weird thing about Ween: other bands worship them.  It seemed like any time you read some piece on some band, especially big mainstream-y bands that fill stadiums, they'd go on and on about Ween and how we don't understand how awesome they are. They're like this generation's Zappa.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: yesno on September 11, 2009, 01:56:19 PM
Well, The Mollusk is definitely one of the top albums of the 1990s.  I got into Ween after that, after thinking they were mostly a joke band.  So when people are dismissive of them I have to wonder if they've given that album a fair chance.  It has some off-putting elements (fake drama, fake psychedelic mysticism--I like that stuff though) but the songs are well put together.

(And a few songs that were really good on later albums, like Flutes of the Chi, are really songs from the Mollusk sessions.)

I just find it weird that they just got more massive throughout the 2000s, well after their creative peak.

My caveat above stands, though, I bet they'd seem better live in a club or something.  Massive, gorgeous outdoor venues are nice to look at but they don't immerse you in sound the way a dinky rock club does.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Christina on September 11, 2009, 02:03:39 PM

My caveat above stands, though, I bet they'd seem better live in a club or something.  Massive, gorgeous outdoor venues are nice to look at but they don't immerse you in sound the way a dinky rock club does.

I also liked Mollusk ... and the show I went to that was good was in a small club in Buffalo. So there you have it!
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: Reeleyes on September 11, 2009, 04:35:45 PM
I mostly love them for the humor. I love humor in all aspects of art. Even La Cucaracha which I think is their worst effort yet has funny songs (Object) on it that still work for me. I got into them right when Pure Guava came out (I think I was 13 or 14). They are a great live band (especially in small clubs) and they're super cool to the fans. I've seen them 5 or 6 times and hung out with them after 4 of those shows. I do like some Zappa too but mostly just the funny stuff.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: LesSavyFan on September 11, 2009, 08:01:19 PM
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They're like this generation's Zappa.

Maybe we need a Best Show like the one where Tom asked listeners to call in and suggest Zappa songs that would make him a fan. I think it'd be easier with Ween though.

All I'll say about Ween is that they may only have one great album but they have always have some great songs on each album.
Title: Re: Apologist Thread
Post by: buffcoat on September 13, 2009, 12:46:52 AM
I mostly love them for the humor. I love humor in all aspects of art. Even La Cucaracha which I think is their worst effort yet has funny songs (Object) on it that still work for me. I got into them right when Pure Guava came out (I think I was 13 or 14). They are a great live band (especially in small clubs) and they're super cool to the fans. I've seen them 5 or 6 times and hung out with them after 4 of those shows. I do like some Zappa too but mostly just the funny stuff.

Humor has no place in music, at least according to RTC.