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FOT Community => Links => Topic started by: Jason on April 16, 2007, 04:51:45 PM
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http://vtechdies.com/
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Ugh.
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I taught Kindergarten for two years. Miles Davis at rest time, Sweet Jane in the cafeteria. Had I continued to teach, my first priority would be dismantle the domain parking industry. Let these slime die.
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Thanks Jason. I'm at -80. I'm going to eat these paper towels.
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I'm sorry.
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Sure enough...
http://www.godhatesamerica.com/
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I'm sorry.
What was it?
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This wasn't really working when I checked it out, but What the fuck? It's like a myspace of people that got gunned down, put up on nytimes.com as an interactive feature. :-X
http://www.nytimes.com/ref/us/20070418_VICTIMS_GRAPHIC.html
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This wasn't really working when I checked it out, but What the fuck? It's like a myspace of people that got gunned down, put up on nytimes.com as an interactive feature. :-X
http://www.nytimes.com/ref/us/20070418_VICTIMS_GRAPHIC.html
Shame, there's a couple lookers in there.
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i think its just the phrasing of "interactive feature" that makes it seem disturbing. memorials can aid in reflecting on the loss of life. for instance, i'm sure the Interactive Feature for today's 146 Iraqi bombing victims will be up and running soon..
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i think its just the phrasing of "interactive feature" that makes it seem disturbing. memorials can aid in reflecting on the loss of life. for instance, i'm sure the Interactive Feature for today's 146 Iraqi bombing victims will be up and running soon..
Yeah, I think you're right about that.
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i deleted my post because it was written terribly.
i just thought all those photos were unnecessary.
t-rox, you're right in that they are reporting the news. sometimes the news just bugs me.
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I think Imus had every right to say what he said, although it was racist. And I think that people have the right to protest him and not listen to him. And, if you notice, the FCC didn't step in. And likewise, MSNBC should post this sick persons ramblings. Just like Mein Kamf should be published, we need these things to understand what is wrong with these people. Ignoring this doesn't make it go away, but showing it, and having people say how horrible it is, might. Would you decry someone posting video of Osama Bin Laden talking about his goals? If no, then why not, he killed thousands more. If yes, then at least you're consistent, but there is still the issue of ignoring the issue. It's alright for you to not want to read those things, I can understand it. I used to be squeamish about seeing video of needles piercing skin. So I never watched movies about junkies or hospitals or anything. That's the thing about censoring media, you aren't choosing for yourself, but others.
MSNBC isn't exploiting the need (although they and other news outlets definitely exploit things a lot), it is offering an outlet for the need. They got a letter from the killer, and they posted it because it's important. Newspapers did the same thing for the Zodiac Killer and countless others. News goes in a paper, that's how it is.
No one should take pleasure in these things, but news isn't about pleasure, it's about knowledge, and the more you know, the less you like it.
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I loathe being bombarded with this cretin's face. What more could we possibly learn from this psycopath's actions that the previous school shootings haven't shown us already - other than the fact that this one was at a college but still committed by a deluded lunatic, and that these killers are still able to get exactly what they want from the media? The Zodiac Killer was an ongoing case when those letters were published. Likewise, Bin Laden is still at large. The news business is not in the habit of providing the public with useful information first and foremost. Broadcasting this garbage is pure sensationalism.
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I gotta agree with Chris L. Certainly anyone should be allowed to publish this stuff, but giving this guy exactly what he wanted after he's already done his thing and offed himself seems pretty tasteless and stupid. If for no other reason, it merely encourages other lunatics to follow suit.
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I tend to agree with T-Rocks, this stuff shouldn't be hidden away or denied an audience.
I do disagree with the sensationalism of it all, it's been four days and it's still hogging the front page despite far worse things having happened since then. There's going to be months of hand wringing, memorialisation, expert asessments, books published, Oprah interviews, tribute songs, a few edgey punk songs but ultimately the complete demonisation of someone who was clearly mentally ill. And he was clearly mentally ill, detained for a psychiatric assessment in 2005, reported to the police twice for stalking women.
His English prefessor knew it -
"After becoming concerned with his behavior and the themes in his writings, the professor started meeting with Cho to work with him one-on-one. She said she was concerned for her safety when she met with him. After notifying the legal authorities about his behavior, the professor urged Cho to seek counseling, but he refused."
She tried and failed. His poetry professor knew something too -
"Professor Nikki Giovanni, who taught Cho in a poetry class and had him removed from her class because his behavior was so menacing, called the idea that Cho was troubled "crap," and described him as "mean." When informed of the massacre, she remarked, "I knew when it happened that that's probably who it was," and "I would have been shocked if it wasn't.""
I know which one I think deserves to look back on this incident without compunction.
The pro and anti gun lobby will cancel each other out as each uses this incident for the furtherment of their own agenda. The "quiet loner" types will be further ostracized by their peers and by colleges themselves as draconain kneejerk laws are enforced. Meanwhile, as in this case, people with mental health issues and the public at large will be failed by an ineffectual, profit driven healthcare system.
If you're still in any doubt that this guy was ill, watch the videos.
There's a makeshift memorial in Blacksburg, 32 stones "one for every innocent victim", if you ask me they're a stone short.
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I regret using the term "lunatics". That was a particularly dumb term to use considering the fact that I work on a college campus and I actually know and am friendly with someone who has mental health problems and a disorder that has already gotten her suspended from the school so she can undergo psychological evaluation (which really needed to happen, actually).
Re: Virginia Tech and Aftermath --I agree that there will be destructive fallout and paranoia about this incident. Staff members at the school I work at have already made the ridiculous suggestion that security carry guns and wear bulletproof vests. The entire student body is about 1300 people. That's like less than a tenth of Virginia Tech's student body.
That's all I got on this one.
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I've pretty much been ignoring this story this week since there seemed to be an overflow of terrible news around. Best to hide my head in the sand.
Anywhoo, I'm currently taking 5-1 bets that this guy's toxicology shows him to have been on at least one SSRI. It's gonna be fun to see Pfizer try and spin this one.
Interestingly enough, Google only produces 8 results for this query:
"Seung-Hui Cho" +toxicology