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DanFromBrooklyn

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Laptop advice
« on: April 15, 2010, 04:45:41 PM »
Hey everyone,

I'm looking to get a laptop and had planned on a MacBook Pro, but it might be a little out of my price range. I'm looking to spend under $2K and be able to do the following:

-run Photoshop
-record music
-have plenty of space for MP3s
-write

I don't know much about laptops -- should I bite the bullet and get a slightly underpowered MacBook Pro in the under $2K range -- do I even need a full-on bells and whistles MBP for all this? -- or is there a good PC laptop anyone could recommend? So far I'm thinking Sony Vaio looks good as an alternative. Any advice would be awesome.

Thanks,
Dan

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Re: Laptop advice
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2010, 05:38:28 PM »

Dan!

I'm running a black Mac Book with The Adobe Master Suite, Final Cut Studio, Nuke and a bunch of other stuff that tends to be processor heavy. I've easily manipulated HD video. I did add RAM. It was purchased for 1800 CAD in 2008 and has been running perfectly since. 250G hard drive, 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo. I have no idea what that last bit means, it hasn't held me up. I am a mac snob and have owned the shiny mac book pros...that shiny stuff sounds over powered for your needs. If it's screen real estate for photoshop you need, then nothing beats a 17inch mac book pro which is 2229 USD, according to apple.com.

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Re: Laptop advice
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2010, 05:44:51 PM »
Your vigor for life appalls me.

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Re: Laptop advice
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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2010, 07:26:38 PM »
Raw power is basically irrelevant for what I use computers for (furry porn, hate mail, organizing tea party meetings), and I'd pay twice as much for a computer that was half as slow but paid attention to little fit and finish-type details, and this is because I am a typical Apple fanboy.  I also would pay more for a better-looking but less-functional Braun turntable if I could afford it.  Apple makes very well put-together hardware, in terms of build quality and so forth, but as the Internet has documented very well their hardware aesthetics are borrowed wholesale from Dieter Rams.  It's more the quality of the OS I care about.  The fact that your average Mac application is "uninstalled" by just actually deleting it the way you'd delete anything (since they use "bundles" and do not strew little bits and pieces of themselves across your system (binaries ("DLLs" on Windows) not data or user settings)) just makes me sleep better at night.  Despite that I did get a low-end Acer PC just for TV-attaching purposes, as it was very cheap, Flash (as needed by MLB.tv) works better on Windows, and has direct HDMI out.

But I don't think most computer users notice/give a shit about these things.  At my job the last few holdouts switched to Macs and after months some of them don't quite understand the placement of the menu bar (on Macs, not attached to any particular window because the GUI enforces a distinction between a "window" and a "program"), that system settings can be adjusted in myriad ways, etc etc.  We should have saved money any not gotten iMacs for these people.  Windows 7 is very, very  good.  The only "problem" with Microsoft today is that they don't like breaking backwards compatibility with the oodles of shitty customized business applications out there which ties their hands.  Apple on the other hand has no problem telling users and developers to go f themselves. 

Despite that, kind of odd that Tom's Hardware of all places doesn't even mention any of the issues about Nvidia Optimus vs. Apple's solution for seamless switching off between the integrated GPU and the dedicated GPU, unless it views that as a battery life issue only.  That's the kind of irrelevant implementation detail that I thought they gave a shit about.

foobar2000 for Windows is the best mp3 jukebox program out there; iTunes has exactly zilch going for it except that you need it for the iTunes store and iDevices (and Doug's Applescripts site).  Despite that it always baffles me when people say they don't like iTunes because it can't do this or that when it most certainly can.

And if all you care about is saving money, get a Lenovo and put Ubuntu on it.  Use GIMP and OpenOffice.  The software is all ugly but it works fine.

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Re: Laptop advice
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2010, 08:18:16 PM »
For what you need, you could get an Acer or Asus for less than $600 and be more than happy with it. I just bought an Asus a couple weeks ago for $499 at Best Buy. I definitely recommend those two brands though.

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Re: Laptop advice
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2010, 03:30:03 AM »
If you like getting work done & stability, stick with your inclination and stay mac.
throw all the hype out the window and mac vs pc debate. That's all it is - religious mac zealots or the polar opposite, "haters" as they call them.

Some of the new Macbooks rival the power of my slightly older Macbook Pro and it gets along fine. I'd try and get the most out of one of them if you're a little unsure of the price line of the pros. I bought mine pro at the time because with the upgrades to the standard I wanted, it was cheaper to just get the pro.
Just make sure you get the so-called "AppleCare" package - it's essentially your extended warrenty. I never bothered in the past but with recent machines, having the extended warranty might have saved me some headaches in year 2. Not to say they're full of problems, but you can be unlucky and get fault hardware sometimes and the like like all computers/gadgets/appliances.


If you really don't care about your investment and just want to be up and running at minimal cost, there are a lot of Windows PC alternatives. Having lived in both "worlds" though for both work and pleasure, I can say with 100% confidence that i'll never go back to non-macs for anything that matters. I'm not talking about indoctrination and "ooh look it's pretty" - i'm talking about quantifiable productivity increase and decrease in computer downtime among other things. Playing games is still better on Windows PCs though.. but only because developers are afraid to embrace anything else - they have safety in knowing a lot of people use them things and all.



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Re: Laptop advice
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DanFromBrooklyn

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Re: Laptop advice
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2010, 09:39:08 AM »
Thanks guys -- for laptop users, how important would you say screen size is? The MacBook looks like a good compromise, but it only comes with a 13" screen. I'm not doing any real heavy duty art stuff, but I do plan on using photoshop for webcomics and the like, and have a feeling that might be too small when I'm sitting there for hours working on something.

And the other thing is, the big addition to the MacBook Pros are the i5 and i7 processors (please keep in mind I don't know anything about any of this stuff) -- is it dumb to buy any computer, Mac or PC, without those in it?

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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2010, 12:40:33 PM »
I hadn't used Macs in about 15 years, but I love my 13" MacBook pro.  I also love Windows 7 on my home desktop.

I still don't love Windows XP on my work computer.

I really don't appreciate your sarcastic, anti-comedy tone, Bro!

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Re: Laptop advice
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2010, 12:55:55 PM »
I also love Windows 7 on my home desktop.

I still don't love Windows XP on my work computer.


First sentence: Maybe it's the desktop vs the laptop thing, but Windows 7 is super crashy for me.

Second sentence: agreed.
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Re: Laptop advice
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2010, 01:45:05 PM »
Thanks guys -- for laptop users, how important would you say screen size is? The MacBook looks like a good compromise, but it only comes with a 13" screen. I'm not doing any real heavy duty art stuff, but I do plan on using photoshop for webcomics and the like, and have a feeling that might be too small when I'm sitting there for hours working on something.

And the other thing is, the big addition to the MacBook Pros are the i5 and i7 processors (please keep in mind I don't know anything about any of this stuff) -- is it dumb to buy any computer, Mac or PC, without those in it?

You can save some dough by buying a non-Mac and buy a nice external monitor for video/photoshop stuff. I'm not a Mac hater - I use both Macs and PCs, and they both have their irritations. For example, my brand new iMac has really annoying wi-fi problems that are apparently quite widespread judging by the apple support forum.

I do believe that Mac is overpriced when it comes to the specs they offer. You really are paying a premium for the brand, and then they do their best to keep you locked into the brand by avoiding industry-standard plugs, etc. whenever possible. But they're handsome machines, and yesno is right (as usual) about their strengths.

My instinct is not to worry too much about processors. You can spend lots of time geeking out on that stuff, looking at benchmarks online and stuff (and I have) but I think that unless you're a serious gamer, or spend all day processing video, you won't notice a big difference.

DanFromBrooklyn

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Re: Laptop advice
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2010, 04:15:20 PM »
Having lived in both "worlds" though for both work and pleasure, I can say with 100% confidence that i'll never go back to non-macs for anything that matters. I'm not talking about indoctrination and "ooh look it's pretty" - i'm talking about quantifiable productivity increase and decrease in computer downtime among other things. Playing games is still better on Windows PCs though.. but only because developers are afraid to embrace anything else - they have safety in knowing a lot of people use them things and all.

See, this is what really draws me to Macs. In all the research I've done, I've yet to find anyone -- literally -- who says, "Yeah, I made the switch to Mac and it was a big mistake." In every case, people say they've switched for good.

(Plus, I will look like a pretty cool dude at Ozzie's in Park Slope with a MacBook.)

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Re: Laptop advice
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2010, 05:08:32 PM »
I like Windows 7 a lot. I've used Macs and I do like them but the price is high for what you get. I think Windows gets a bad rap because of how many different companies produce computers that run the OS. For example, HP owns a large percentage of the Windows market but HP is probably the worst computer out there. So obviously a person switching from HP to Mac is going to notice a huge difference. But, HP makes a ton of different laptops so maybe there's one HP out there that is pretty good so somebody will vouch for HP. That's the difference between Windows and Mac- with Mac you know what you're getting everytime and that it's more than likely going to be reliable, with Windows you need to do your research and pick from a large range of computers. But, I think if you do the latter you're going to get more bang for your buck without having to worry about issues.