Author Topic: Vinyl Pressing  (Read 4159 times)

John Junk

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Vinyl Pressing
« on: June 29, 2007, 06:05:47 PM »
I am full of questions today.  Not enough crises at work. 

I'm thinking of pressing a 12" or 7" of some "solo" stuff.  Total vanity project, but it's always been a dream to put something to vinyl, so now I'm ready to blow a grand-plus on the endeavor.  Can anyone out there reccomend a good place to use to press vinyl?  Somewhere trustworthy and quality?  That would be rad.

Richard_From_CHI

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Re: Vinyl Pressing
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2007, 06:17:26 PM »
What sized lot?

John Junk

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Re: Vinyl Pressing
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2007, 06:21:01 PM »
Do you mean like how many?  I'm thinking small--like 300 or 500.  Maybe 12" will be what I go with ultimately.

I live in California too, if that sort of thing makes any difference.  And I don't know if it does.

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Re: Vinyl Pressing
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2007, 09:48:47 AM »
There are a lot of options for vinyl in California and in general.  The two places I would recommend out your way are RTI and Bill Smith Custom Records. Both can be found online.

Here is part one of a video on vinyl manufacturing:
http://video.google.com/url?docid=-4232942448011377111&esrc=sr3&ev=v&q=vinyl%2Bmanufacturing&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DxUGRRUecBik&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D-4232942448011377111%26q%3Dvinyl%2Bmanufacturing%26total%3D38%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsearch%26plindex%3D2&usg=AL29H2054-bJxXkkcP17iTeODaj5FCrTVg
this is part two:
http://video.google.com/url?docid=2384519147177180857&esrc=sr5&ev=v&q=vinyl%2Bmanufacturing&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DIReDh9ec_rk&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D2384519147177180857%26q%3Dvinyl%2Bmanufacturing%26total%3D38%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsearch%26plindex%3D4&usg=AL29H22XnKrroP6bYr8t7nqP39efoYDbYw

It is good to know how the process works. 

Getting "quality" vinyl or thick vinyl is always nice but the most important thing is the "mastering" process or what is also referred to as the cutting process.  This is where the the person cuts the laquer.  The laquer is taken to a plating place (this is either at the place that will be pressing the record or in some cases the place where you have the laquer cut).  Thin metal plates are made that are used to press the record.  The pressing plant takes care of the labels for the record (that you provide either digitally or in some cases places want a physical copy of it in black and white and they are able to use whatever colors in the black and white areas).  You will likely want to have a test press done.  The test press is a test of how the plates work.  There is also an option to get a reference laquer which is a test of the quality of the laquer.  Most people just go with the the test press.  You have to approve the test and then they press up the records.  The vinyl come in the white dust sleeve at all places I have used. 

It can be a confusing process and I may not have explained it as well as those videos.  As far as getting your laquer cut, try y-mixx
www.ymixx.com (may be one more x). They do a good job and that is the most important part.
Aardvark Mastering is the cheapest around to do the laquer and plates. They take a bit longer since it is a hobby business but they make sure things work out in the end. I have run in to some problems using them and it really pushes things back. If you are in no rush, they would be worth using if you are looking at saving money.

As far as manufacturing goes, RTI is one of the best. They do all of those Matador 180 gram LPs.  I have heard the turnaround can be slower on smaller projects but they do good work.  Bill Smith does a great job too. Quality vinyl and a nice small family run business.  Both of these are not cheap but they are good.

The cheapest place that most people use is United Record Pressing in Nashville, TN.  They do an ok job. The quality of the vinyl is ok. The edges sometimes can be a bit rough.  I have never used Pirate Press but they use this place in the Czech Republic called GZ.  Southern currently uses them as well as a bunch of other labels out there.  This is the one I have never used but I have heard good things and may be looking at in the future. They seem to get a lot of the really specialized colored vinyl projects.

The one that I would strongly avoid is Erika records in California.  The horror stories from this place are a mile long. Living in California (its in Downey near Orange county or maybe in it), you might have a better chance at getting it done right and not waiting forever but I know enough people who have been burned and dealt with enough bs with them that I would rather avoid it.

As much as there is the temptation to go the cheap route, I would avoid it unless you really absolutely need to.  I don't know if you have manufactured CDs but it is a considerably easy process compared to vinyl.  Vinyl has a lot of different steps and things can easily get messed up along the way so be careful.  If you need more info, send me a private message.  It is definitely worth spending time to figure out the process though because the headaches from having things get messed up are awful.

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Re: Vinyl Pressing
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2007, 10:38:33 AM »
Oooooh, colored vinyl.

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Re: Vinyl Pressing
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2007, 10:44:57 AM »
Oh yeah, one thing I forgot.  United and several other places will give you free colored vinyl if you allow them to pick the color.  They use left over colors from projects that were ordered.  The colors tend to be something blended in with white.  The best way to get it is to posture yourself as a label going to do a lot of projects down the line.  United has done this. Personally, I have stuck with black vinyl to keep the price down and to keep it easier.

Jason

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Re: Vinyl Pressing
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2007, 11:12:25 AM »
There's a guy in New Zealand who does pretty cool lathe cut records. They're all on clear vinyl and he does crazy stuff like hexagonal 8" discs.

http://home.comcast.net/~cassetto/kingworldwide.html

http://home.comcast.net/~cassetto/kingrates.html

1$ = 1.25 NZ$

John Junk

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Re: Vinyl Pressing
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2007, 12:52:00 PM »
Woah, Holy Shit!  Thanks everybody!

TRL, You are my vinyl guru!  I will probably contact you about this again sometime down the line.  That is so awesome.  I love the Friends of Tom.  Yeah, I want these to be quality.  I don't have a whole lot of money, but experience has taught me to save and get the thing done right rather than going cheap-o on it. This is really really helpful.  Thanks!

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Re: Vinyl Pressing
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2007, 02:12:03 AM »
Glad to help Jarvis.  I have heard of the guy in New Zealand who does the Lathe cuts.  The only negative I have heard is the price.  Lathe cuts seem to be the way to go if you don't want to do very many copies (100 or under).   

Let me know if you need other info.  As far as jackets, there are a few places that do them professionally like Ross Ellis and Dorado Press but you can be creative and I have seen a lot of people do cool screen printing on chip board.  Profesionally printing can be nice but you can put a lot more personal touch to it with smaller runs because its a little bit more reasonable. When you are doing runs of well over 500 then it can be a ton of work putting together covers, screening, pasting (depending on what you want to do), scoring, etc etc.

I have pressed about 15 records and I can definitely offer advice from both successes and many mistakes. 

Best of luck. 

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Re: Vinyl Pressing
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2007, 03:17:10 PM »
There's a guy in New Zealand who does pretty cool lathe cut records. They're all on clear vinyl and he does crazy stuff like hexagonal 8" discs.

http://home.comcast.net/~cassetto/kingworldwide.html

http://home.comcast.net/~cassetto/kingrates.html

1$ = 1.25 NZ$

YES BUT: here is the Thing with King records, as I used him for a couple projects. THAT DUDE IS SO F-ING SLOW his turnaround time was about a year.

Seriously.

There is someone in NYC who will custom lathe stuff. I can try and figure out who. I also used to use a guy in Minneaoplis to cut 78s for me.


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Re: Vinyl Pressing
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2007, 09:28:48 PM »
Who did you use in Mpls Richard?  I have heard of some folks in the cities using someone years ago but never heard anything about someone doing 78s.  I know there is a store that specializes in 78s, old school radios and phonographs that I popped in once so I wouldn't be surprised if they were connected to them.

Also, I know as far as mastering/cutting laquers go, Bob Weston is doing it now in Chicago.  I haven't heard anything he has done yet but I am curious to hear what he might do.  Its definitely an art for sure. 


Laurie

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Re: Vinyl Pressing
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2007, 10:14:02 PM »
I know there is a store that specializes in 78s, old school radios and phonographs that I popped in once so I wouldn't be surprised if they were connected to them.

I think I drove by that store.

And by "drove," I mean sat in the passenger seat while my mom drove because I am too young to drive a rental car. I'm at that age where I appreciate being too young to do something.

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Re: Vinyl Pressing
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2007, 11:12:06 AM »
I'm too young to be President.  For a little while.
I really don't appreciate your sarcastic, anti-comedy tone, Bro!

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Re: Vinyl Pressing
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2007, 01:48:27 PM »
Who did you use in Mpls Richard?  I have heard of some folks in the cities using someone years ago but never heard anything about someone doing 78s.  I know there is a store that specializes in 78s, old school radios and phonographs that I popped in once so I wouldn't be surprised if they were connected to them.

Also, I know as far as mastering/cutting laquers go, Bob Weston is doing it now in Chicago.  I haven't heard anything he has done yet but I am curious to hear what he might do.  Its definitely an art for sure. 



Jeepers that was a millions years ago, if you are interested I can try and dig up his info, send me a private message. He actually only started doing 78s for me. His stock and trade is making new 45s for jukeboxes.


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Re: Vinyl Pressing
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2007, 01:49:08 PM »
I know there is a store that specializes in 78s, old school radios and phonographs that I popped in once so I wouldn't be surprised if they were connected to them.

I think I drove by that store.

And by "drove," I mean sat in the passenger seat while my mom drove because I am too young to drive a rental car. I'm at that age where I appreciate being too young to do something.

That will go away soon enough.