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Dan B

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Re: I like A, I like B, but I HATE A+B
« Reply #45 on: September 13, 2007, 03:36:18 PM »
I like food.  I like Rutgers.  I hate Rutgers food.

Except maybe fat sandwiches.  I usually hate myself after those.

Shaggy 2 Grote

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Re: I like A, I like B, but I HATE A+B
« Reply #46 on: September 13, 2007, 04:55:08 PM »
Re: skinheads - as long as we're getting pedantic here (and actually Laurie, this is not The New Yorker, but FOT: An Irregularly Published Journal of Tom and Tom Culture), there's an excellent book that I sometimes teach by Dick Hebdige, Subculture: The Meaning of Style*, in which he expounds at great length of the origins of proto-skin culture in 1960s Britain.  I won't bore you all with the details, but basically he characterizes it as a form of co-optation of working-class culture by youth too underprivileged to become hippies.   American skinhead culture is, by comparison, totally decontextualized, as the American working class never really dressed like that.  The look is associated with violence, et al in the popular imagination, but honestly it could be anything; style is given context by the wearer.

I guess there's sort of an analog to the jock look of the FSU - like, repurposing the costume of the American teenager.

The whole FSU thing seems sort of sad to me.  I'm Jewish and was sort of peripherally into the NJ hardcore scene in the mid-80s (I went to the all-ages shows at Shitty Gardens pretty regularly for a couple of years), so I feel a sort of peripheral relief at their anti-racist views.  I used to like kids like that.  And on some level I have a sort of vaguely-defined Leninist fantasy of organizing the FSUs into a small army.  But I'm old enough to know that thuggishness is usually just thuggishness, and tends to follow its own imperatives.

Re: Rutgers - yeah, fat sandwiches, ew brother.


*I'm sure most of you already know about it, but just to throw it into the mix
Oh, good heavens. I didn’t realize. I send my condolences out to the rest of the O’Connor family.

KickTheBobo

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Re: I like A, I like B, but I HATE A+B
« Reply #47 on: September 13, 2007, 05:48:58 PM »
Man, I am totally kicking myself now for trading my Slapshot t-shirt to Dave from MDC for one of his band's shirts (he tried in vain to set it afire) many summers ago. I probably coulda got a few hundred for some vintage Hahd-coah gear like that if the documentary from this label/ film studio/ website is any indication:

(Featuring the above-mentioned Friends Stand United)

Boston Beatdown: See The World Through Our Eyes-Volume II

Note: the word "brutal" is used four times on that one page.

...aaaaaand a clip:

[youtube=425,350]mOMcf9eQIhY[/youtube]

paul

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Re: I like A, I like B, but I HATE A+B
« Reply #48 on: September 13, 2007, 09:37:23 PM »
As long as we're on the topic of moronic skinheads (Are there any other kind? No), can someone please explain SHARPs to me? I don't get it, especially since they're apparent not SKAGs*... Ugh.

Also, while you're at it, explain gay skinheads to me, too. Although I will admit, I have never met a gay skinhead. I think it's probably just a porno invention.


i happen to be very close friends with a gay puerto rican skinhead. he's kind of a local legend here in new brunswick, he has a long-running show on WRSU, and he does lots of spoken word performances at punk shows and stuff. he's very smart and highly entertaining.

edit: and the only way i can possibly explain this to you is by stating that once upon a time "skinhead" wasn't synonymous with "white supremacist" or whatever.

paul

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Re: I like A, I like B, but I HATE A+B
« Reply #49 on: September 13, 2007, 09:46:01 PM »
I like food.  I like Rutgers.  I hate Rutgers food.

Except maybe fat sandwiches.  I usually hate myself after those.


i love fat sandwiches (only once in a while, tho) but yeah, the food here stinks. i understand that not all pizza places can be New Haven-quality, but.... yeah. food that only tastes good when it's 3am and you're drunk doesn't cut it for me. (partially because i don't drink.)