PATRIOT Act: zing!

[TL]

Wolf Blitzer: Congressman Kucinich - you're the only person on this stage who voted against the PATRIOT Act...
Rep.Dennis Kucinich: That's because I READ it!

Sorry - I had to share that with somebody...

[Laurie]

I love that little elf, and I also love his foxy wife. And I want to vote for him in the primaries, but I hear that little voice in my head that says he'll never win, and I'm throwing my vote away, and someone truly heinous will win the primaries. And millions of people are probably thinking the same thing, so they'll vote for Obama instead, and Kucinich never wins. Self-fulfilling prophecy, eh?

[TL]

Well, look - if you're a registered Democrat, then please, Laurie - vote for Denny K., because though I (sad to say) think you're right in assuming he's not going to win the primary, I think it's an important time to show the eventual nominee just how many people actually do support him and his policies.  I'm not in any way, shape, or form, suggesting that there are no differences between Clinton, Obama, and Edwards, but I'll gladly take ANY of them over Romney or Giuliani, so maybe the primaries actualy ARE the time to vote with your heart, and the actual elections are the time to "vote smart" ??  It's a theory that's full of holes, I know, but while we're actually having a political discussion here, I figure we might as well have one...

[Shaggy 2 Grote]

What exactly has happened that I stumbled into a group of people whose likes and dislikes are almost wholly identical to mine?  I mean, OK, it's pretty likely that we'd all agree on WFMU and comedy.  And everyone likes The Wire.  But the rest: Dennis Kucinich (including the mixed feelings), comic books, the films of Alejandro Jodorowsky, the 33 1/3 books, our constitutional rights, grammar, the countless things I am forgetting at the moment - these are not normally things that one finds grouped together.  Uncanny.

Good points, TL.  I do sort of like Obama a lot, but you know, it's that charisma thing.  He's got a great record in Illinois but his foreign policy proposals are right out of the Council on Foreign Relations playbook, which I'm not crazy about.

[ian]

I particularly liked when Kucinich was referring to how Edwards should have known better about Chinese trade, being a trial lawyer. Edwards was like "I don't see what being a trial lawyer has to do about it" and barely caught on the mic, Kucinich says "Product liability" but everybody caught it and busted into applause.

Then Edwards is all like "cute, very cute".

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurn.

[KickTheBobo]

Kucinich/ Gravel '08!


Give 'em hell, Dennis.

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[TL]

Word up!
And Jasongrote - is it really so strange?

[Andy]

you guys know there is a football game on right now, right?

(see, we're not all the same)

[Shaggy 2 Grote]

Word up!
And Jasongrote - is it really so strange?

Well, no, but it's rare and really pretty special.  Kind of like finding a four-leaf clover! (Sorry.)  I mean, even when I disagree with the people on the boards I agree with them.  I'd say that guy on the AST boards was right, but I swear I liked all of this stuff before I was a FOT.  There seems to be some kind of really uninteresting Borges story in all of this - my liking all things FOTish led to my becoming a FOT, rather than the other way around.

Well, I said it was uninteresting.

you guys know there is a football game on right now, right?

(see, we're not all the same)

Thanks for the reality check, Andy.  That's like the only thread I never read.

[TL]

you guys know there is a football game on right now, right?

(see, we're not all the same)

I did have a moment when I considered leaving the debate early to see the beginning of the "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" season finale, which kinda sucked (fyi), and is arguably jockier than a football game, so maybe we're not that different after all?

[Gilly]

What do you all think about Ron Paul?

[Sarah]

I didn't even realize the debate was on, but I wouldn't have watched it anyway.  I have a semifirm policy of trying like hell not to know anything about current events because everything I do learn is so damn depressing (for example, the last tidbit that registered with me had to do with the U.S. bridge team's being called traitors because they held up a little handmade sign saying "We didn't vote for Bush" at some international competition).  I find that an amazing amount seeps in despite all my best efforts, and that's more than enough.  Right now, in fact, I'm terrified because for the first time in years I get all the network television stations, so the chances of my bumping into ads, news stories, debates, and the like are much greater.  If I appear to be getting more and more glum over the coming year, you now know why.

[dave from knoxville]

I hate to get all serious on ya'lls, but until a Presidential election is won by a single vote, every vote ever cast has been a throwaway vote, in the sense that the outcome of the election would not have been changed if you had chosen not to vote. Now GROUPS of voters, there's something there, but your individual vote? About as much value as a "YOU'VE been JAMESED".

[buffcoat]

Word up!
And Jasongrote - is it really so strange?

I say no, you say yes - but you will change your mind.

[Pride of Staten Island]

Personally, I'm voting for Kucinich because I really want his hot wife to be first lady: