Author Topic: Tom, give newer Neil Young stuff another chance  (Read 7495 times)

manykant

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Tom, give newer Neil Young stuff another chance
« on: May 01, 2008, 11:58:19 AM »
okay, so Are You Passionate? was garbage, "Living With War" was awkward, and Prairie Wind had a lot of misses, but I don't think Young's output in the 2000's should be totally written off. You seemed to suggest it constituted a pretty nasty cold streak a few shows ago.

Greendale was rock solid, full of all the ragged, wonderful sloppiness that characterized his 70's stuff. Sure the story was all over the place, but I don't think there's ever been a Rock Opera I would want to read as a novel. While I don't think it's Young's best album, it's probably my personal favorite and at least the best thing he's done since Sleeps with Angels. I also think 90 percent of Chrome Dreams II is strong, especially the heavier songs like "Dirty Old Man." The song "Spirit Road" is admittedly garbage.

Also also, Silver and Gold was a perfect Neil Young acoustic album, ie "Razor Love" (although it's an old track), and Prairie Wind had some amazing, soft-spoken numbers like "When God Made Me," "This Old Guitar," "Falling Off the Face of the Earth," and "It's a Dream."

Just saying.

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Pat K

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Re: Tom, give newer Neil Young stuff another chance
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2008, 01:37:26 PM »
I wouldn't go anywhere near describing 2000s Neil Young as a hot streak by any stretch, but there were definitely small parts of Greendale and big parts of Prairie Wind that I enjoyed. I remember seeing him do "It's A Dream" on SNL and it being as good a "soft" performance as anything I'd ever seen him do.

Living With War, though...I admire it in concept. In execution.....nah so much.
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manykant

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Re: Tom, give newer Neil Young stuff another chance
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2008, 01:43:18 PM »
I agree, it's definitely not a hot streak.

Living With War also didn't age well with me. The lyrics are so ham-fisted.
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Re: Tom, give newer Neil Young stuff another chance
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2008, 02:05:22 PM »
I like Silver and Gold a lot and really love the Silver and Gold concert DVD too. I also think Greendale mostly kicks ass.
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Re: Tom, give newer Neil Young stuff another chance
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2008, 02:21:32 PM »
I also think Greendale mostly kicks ass.
You and Joe Belock, ugh that album and tour. Sure it was nice to see that tour once, but you'll never hear those songs ever again. Well maybe Be The Rain. Also Chrome Dreams II is pretty much Neil Odds and Sods collection, since a good amount of those songs have been around for a long time. Hell I heard Ordinary People during the Bluenotes tour.

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Re: Tom, give newer Neil Young stuff another chance
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2008, 02:37:33 PM »
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Be The Rain

Ew boy, I forgot about "Be The Rain".  Brother.
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manykant

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Re: Tom, give newer Neil Young stuff another chance
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2008, 05:36:50 PM »
half of Neil Young's albums are odds and sods collections, so who cares?
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Re: Tom, give newer Neil Young stuff another chance
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2008, 08:58:57 AM »
I don't know if Greendale still comes with the DVD of Neil performing the songs solo in Ireland, but I preferred those renditions over the album. They played it on PBS once or twice I think.

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Re: Tom, give newer Neil Young stuff another chance
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2008, 09:01:03 AM »
I don't know if Greendale still comes with the DVD of Neil performing the songs solo in Ireland, but I preferred those renditions over the album. They played it on PBS once or twice I think.
There are two versions one with him just solo and the other with Crazy Horse recording the album

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Re: Tom, give newer Neil Young stuff another chance
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2008, 09:53:15 AM »
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Be The Rain

Ew boy, I forgot about "Be The Rain".  Brother.

Yeah, that song is bad.  But I still think if Greendale is good if you aren't taking it too seriously.  It's a shame that it is a concept album because the corny story is a distraction from the album being a pretty much straight forward Niel Neil Young and Crazy Horse sloppy rock album.  I can't help it, I like it. Especially "Double E."
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manykant

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Re: Tom, give newer Neil Young stuff another chance
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2008, 01:39:42 PM »
You know, while the overall story is stupid, there are some really touching moments between the characters in Greendale. In Carmichael, for example, the line about "Hey Mr. Las Vegas, you thought you were so cool, we met Wayne Newton at Pebble Beach, and you acted like a fool."

I think my favorite line is "when I was young people wore what they had on," from the first track.
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Re: Tom, give newer Neil Young stuff another chance
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2008, 04:46:32 PM »
I saw the Greendale show live twice.  That live Greendale thing was awfulsome.  The Crazy Horse classics encores were just awesome.

One or two of those Greendale songs can actually make me weep, though.  It's weird.

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Re: Tom, give newer Neil Young stuff another chance
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2012, 10:11:56 AM »
So, what do you guys think about "Americana"?

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Re: Tom, give newer Neil Young stuff another chance
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2012, 12:14:07 PM »
Haven't heard Americana yet. I thought Le Noise was really strong. Fork in the Road pretty much stunk but I admired his so fully embracing such a weird concept.
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Re: Tom, give newer Neil Young stuff another chance
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2012, 12:54:52 PM »
Oh Susannah from Americana is absolute torture. If it weren't Neil, it would be greatest parody slam on Neil of all time. And I saw him on the Le Noise tour. I got my ticket free, and I still want my money back.