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todd

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The Bike Thread
« on: May 03, 2008, 02:15:24 PM »
I just moved to Chicago this winter and I'm really starting to envy the people zipping through traffic on a bike around me. I know there are some cyclist FOTs, so I thought I'd start an all-purpose bike question thread to get people like me off the fence and onto a bicycle.

To start off:
I'm really interested in getting a bike for transportation around the city, but I haven't ridden since I was like 10. Do you guys recommend going to a bigger store and buying a new bike, or going to a little bike chop-shop and buying a fixed up old beater? I've gone to the smaller co-ops and they were mostly 7,000 pound cruisers or mountain bikes.

Any advice would be great.

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Re: The Bike Thread
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2008, 03:15:42 PM »
Todd, I've heard folks say good things about a shop called Cycle Smithy at 2468 ½ North Clark Street. Not sure if it's convenient to where you are, but it sounds like a nice shop.

I have a 2000 Marin San Rafael, a hybrid: I use it for riding in the countryside, rail-trails and in town a bit (nothing like Chicago, though) and it's great. I got it used on eBay, of all places. I like it very much...I'd want nothing to do with those mountain bikes, or the cruisers, like you said. Maybe a used, good quality hybrid of some sort? That way, in case it gets stolen, you're not out too much--and maybe you won't get stolen if it's not too attractive...

More than anything else, I'd like to say: Do it! It's the coolest feeling to start biking again after a long time. Feels like you're flying, like you're...10 years old again. It's great.

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Re: The Bike Thread
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2008, 04:11:14 PM »
I like this guy.   I've got one.



I got it a bit cheap, because used.  It's not perfect:  the back wheel had a loose spoke and wobbled, which totally destroyed the rear wheel guards.  Which aren't totally necessary, but still.

Also, generators for bikes just suck.  I got a retro-looking battery powered headlight to replace it. Amazon. If you like, there are magnetic induction fancy lights now, too, which get some power from the rider but don't add friction.

Plus, I added a wicker basket to the back. 

The key elements for a city bike are:  ability to mount basket, internal 3-speed hub, lights, plenty of chain and mud guards.

The Amsterdam is obviously so called because it imitates the classic Euro-looking bike, but Electra is a company that usually makes those ugly-ass beach cruisers.  I got it 1/2 for the style.  Like, I can wear a tweed jacket in the fall and a scarf and pretend I'm Bertie Wooster.

If you're looking for a higher quality city bike, this one is really good:  The Bianchi Milano.



The popularity of fixed gear bicycles seems to be waning, at least around here (Boulder).  Fixies are fine only if you just wear a t shirt and jeans and don't mind carrying everything in a backpack, and getting a sweaty back.  And you don't have to negotiate a lot of hills.

Also, racing and mountain bikes are for racing and biking in the mountains.  Sometime in the 90s the generic mountain bike became basically the default bike.  It's totally inappropriate for most city tasks, though.  Also, never trust anyone for city bike advice who thinks biking is a sport or exercise.  Commuter biking is no kind of exercise at all.


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Re: The Bike Thread
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2008, 04:18:58 PM »
Or this:


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Re: The Bike Thread
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2008, 06:50:22 PM »
I'm getting a bike, too! I want something lightweight that I can carry into my trailer when I go to work and something sturdy. I will probably wreck a lot.

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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2008, 07:21:31 PM »
Todd, check out Working Bikes.  It's at the corner of Western and Grenshaw, 1 block north of Roosevelt.  They build and sell bikes for around $50 and they also ship about 5000 bikes per year to 3rd world countries in order to help them out.  Go to http://workingbikes.org/sales

There's also lots of quality bikes for sale on craigslist which is where I got my sweet schwinn road hound for $40.  Definitely don't get a brand new bike because you can get a really good one built for you for a couple hundred bucks. 

A couple other locally-owned bike shops that I like :
Boulevard Bikes (Logan Square).  They primarily sell Bianchi bikes and do excellent repair work on all kinds. 
Yojimbo's Garage (River West, I think..). 
Rapid Transit (wicker park) they're kind of on the pricey side though. 

and there's a few more that I can't think of right now. 
oh, and also there's a free bike workshop at West Town bikes (http://westtownbikes.org/) if you want to learn repairs.

hope this helps

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Re: The Bike Thread
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2008, 09:09:01 PM »
All of these replies are really helpful. Thanks.

Maybe it would help me if I knew the right words for the kind of bike I want: when I see commuters on bikes, I see people riding these stripped-down bikes with thin wheels, low handlebars and not a lot of gadgetry. But when I go to the bike shops I see big thick wheels and high handlebars and 75 gears and shit. What is the KIND of bike I'm looking for, and what's a reasonable price to pay for it (new or used)?

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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2008, 09:23:40 PM »
I think the kind of bike you should get, as a commuter, depends on what the commute is, and what kinds of work you do.

If you have to wear nice clothes, I'd recommend getting a bike like the ones I posted.  They keep your clothes clean because of the chain guard and fender, and you can easily mount baskets so that you don't have to wear bags on your person, which is a really good thing if you don't want to get rumpled and sweaty.  Plus, getting a bike with gears (as opposed to a fixie) means you don't have to get all sweaty for hills and so on.  That kind of bike is generally just called a "city bike."  I think that a bell and lights are good gadgets to have on such a bike.  You can get a decent one for between 300 and 600 dollars.  I'd be suspicious of bikes much cheaper than $300, although I have had my eye on some budget folding bikes (now that Jason put the bug in me in an earlier thread),

Getting more of a road bike (stripped down, no fenders, etc) is a good idea if you have a longer distance.

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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2008, 09:59:17 PM »
I bought a folding bike the other day, its at least 35 years old. It has new hampshire bicycle license sticker on the back that expired in 1973.

Columbia brand but Dutch made (Magneet). I bought it so I could get the Path to Manhattan and then ride around. It's not that practical for folding but its very sturdy and holds my tool back really well. Still needs some attention. Only $32







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Re: The Bike Thread
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2008, 11:20:31 PM »
Yesno's bikes are awesome.  Where can I get bikes like that?

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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2008, 12:11:44 AM »
First of all, for all bike related questions, go to bikeforums.net for good advice. 


...as yesno said, it depends completely on what you're intentions are.  Beyond that, it's a bike, after all, ...try not to over think it.  Overspending vs underspending, as with cars, is completely up to you.  That having been said, don't go the dumpster diving route; if you were to buy the most amazing bike in the world, it'd still be cheaper than almost any car.  Go only to a local BIKE STORE, not a target or some sporting goods store etc.  The local bike store will sell you what you need, hi or low end.  You might get away with spending $100 or less from a friendly store on a used bike, but expect to pay $500 or more for a new one that's any good. 

I started out with a Specialized Crossroads (so you can look it up...it's the same as any hybrid, really) bike.  It's a fine bike, but it's basically a mountain bike with a cushy seat and larger wheels (the main selling point for hybrids, bigger wheels! with smooth tires)...It was fine for about a year.  But in the midwest, the wind is insane (I've heard that too about Chicago....) and you begin to want more of an aerodynamic experience, rather than complete frustration when you're little more than a bitchy kite...so I went to my local bike shop and they set me up with a bike designed for cyclocross, which is great for city commutes.  It's like a REAL hybrid between a road bike and a commuting bike.  A strong road bike with fenders and lights, and a rack, etc.  I was at first totally against drop handlebars, but quickly came to love my current set up.  I thought drop handlebars were just for racing, but they're much more comfortable than upright hybrids or cruisers for long distance commutes.  I've got a front wheel generator hub which powers my lights, and is completely unnoticeable as I'm moving along (nothing like bart simpson's generator, in other words...), I've come to both learn and love "clip in peddles" which allow you to use the full 360 degree motion of the peddles and stop your feet from slipping when it rains.  They help you quickly gain momentum when the light turns green as well, or when you're making a left hand turn...pulling up with your legs helps for sure. 

I suggest starting simple at a local bike store such as one Dania suggested.  They'll more than likely have a road frame with fenders etc for sale.  I advise you to avoid "hybrids" and Amsterdam style cruisers, especially if you live in any city in the USA.  Even Portland I'd avoid them as a commuting bike.  They're too heavy and aren't that comfortable for commuting.  When I was getting into biking I was wishing I could find bikes like they have in Amsterdam, I thought they'd be more comfortable etc, but in the USA we just don't have the infrastructure for such bikes.  Better get a light, strong, road bike with fenders etc such as the Bianchi Castro Valley, or an old steel framed schwinn from the 80's off ebay with some fenders and flashing lights on it... 

Don't forget your helmet and plenty of lights, FLASHING LIGHTS, both for yourself and for cars seeing you..  If you see people without a helmet, that's their problem.  Wear a fucking helmet. 


here's a picture of my bike.  I've ridden 4500 miles now on it since April of 06.  No problems.  Surly Cross Check frame.  ...notice the reflective tape, reflective tires, and the best show sticker for luck...   

Whatever bike you end up getting, be safe and good luck! 

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Re: The Bike Thread
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2008, 02:11:23 AM »
To add more to this, if you're looking for a few terminology bits, I know only a few, I'm no expert though.  My guess is that you're might be new to cycling (?), so you probably don't want a fixed gear bike, but you might be considering a single speed.  The only difference between the two is that with a fixed gear, you can't stop pedaling EVER.  However, if you get a single speed with a freewheel, you get the lightness of having one gear, but you can still coast and pedal backwards. 
Is that kind of what you're going for?  It sounds like you'd really like to go fast, but I wouldn't recommend getting a fixed-gear unless you've been cycling for quite some time.  As for me, I don't think I'll be getting a fixed gear any time soon even though I've been cycling for many years.  A few summers ago, I would bike 20 miles a day to and from work, but even then I still liked having gear options. 

To add to your speed, the frame is important.  The lightest frames are made of aluminum or cromium-molybdenum (cro-moly).  Some people might go crazy making all of their bike's components (rims, spoke nipples, crank sets, etc.) superduper lightweight.  But I don't think you need to go crazy unless you're planning on racing. 

One of the most important things is to get the right size bike.  That's also why you should definitely go to a local place because they will know how to get you fitted for one. 

I think the bikes you're talking about, with the stripped-down effect and such, are mostly built by local bike enthusiasts.  I'm pretty sure you won't be able to find that kind of bike in stores, although I could be wrong.  The guy at Yojimbo's Garage builds ones like that, I don't know how much that would cost you, but you might be able to get one built for a few hundred bucks if you ask around.  I saw someone post something on craigslist offering to build bikes like that for people on a sliding scale. 

Honestly, I think your best bet is to get a basic road bike if you're looking to not spend too much, but new Bianchi bikes at Boulevard always look so pretty.  They're nice folks over there at Boulevard.  Good luck and WEAR A HELMET!! 
 

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Re: The Bike Thread
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2008, 02:25:04 AM »
I second, third, fourth and fifth buying the bike from a bike shop. Not only do you get to see hands on what's good (which is worth the slightly higher price), but for bikes that have fenders and so on, I don't even change flats.  Too much hassle.  It's way worth it to find a bike shop you're comfortable with, so that you can go there for the inevitable repair.  Which does bring me to an advantage of the stripped down bikes:  it's easier to do home maintenance.

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Re: The Bike Thread
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2008, 12:03:54 PM »
Yea, Dania, you got it. I know nothing about cycling - I wanted to get some pointers so I know what to ask when I head to the shop this week. I'll ask about the freewheel stuff when I go. Do you live in Chicago?

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Re: The Bike Thread
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2008, 04:53:56 PM »
Yup!  Best city for biking in America if you ask me; so very flat...
Another thing, be sure to grab a bike map when you go into the shop.  I think the library has them too. 

Some more tidbits-

Streets not to bike on (if I were you):
Western
Fullerton (except for east of ashland is a-ok)
Grand
Ashland

Streets to bike on:
East/West:
Diversey
Augusta
Cortland/Armitage
Warren
Roosevelt
North/South:
Halstead
California
Damen

there's a lot more good biking streets, some of which have bike lanes, but if you're gonna be mostly downtown, it's a free-for-all.  All of the diagonal streets are good too. 
Have fun and try not to get discouraged by negligent drivers, cold and rainy weather, cruddy streets, time limitations, etc.  Any way you look at it, biking will almost always be just as fast, if not faster, than driving.  Especially once you build up your leg muscles. 
ok, I need to stop going on and on about this.  I could keep talking, but I shan't.