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Trembling Eagle

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Re: Tom thinks lil' Wayne is great when he is on? ugh
« Reply #150 on: June 25, 2008, 03:55:56 PM »
if winning a grammy is all it takes to be considered relevant, then by all means, let's call up maroon 5, carrie underwood, and evanescence and get them to form a panel on songwriting so we can access the brilliant minds of some of the greatest musicians of our time!

whats relevant to u then?

what, offer up my favorite musicians on a platter so that strangers on an internet forum can rip them apart for sport?

what do i look like, an idiot?
No, no I wouldn't dare to ask you to step out in such a brave and bold way
as to *gasp* name bands u like     (oh no not that)

just state what criteria you use for judging whether an artist is "relevant"

does it have to do with working as an entertainer and performing, creating albums, influencing your contemporaries, innovating a sound etc etc
whats the metrics for relevance according to u?


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Re: Tom thinks lil' Wayne is great when he is on? ugh
« Reply #151 on: June 25, 2008, 04:00:40 PM »
hell he got a Grammy for the Shakira tune in the latin category. I mean he's had a hit record in the past 5 months.


In all fairness to Wyclef, his rapping on Hips Don't Lie ruined a perfectly good pop song. You keep bringing up all the producing Wyclef does when that really is beside the point.  He may still be relevant in that realm but this whole topic was about the ability to rap, not the other things that go along with it.  You can't claim that Wyclef has been relevant as a rapper in years.

I really like this guy, he's probably my favorite "indie backpack" rapper:
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=4KKBdBvNDdE[/youtube]


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Re: Tom thinks lil' Wayne is great when he is on? ugh
« Reply #152 on: June 25, 2008, 04:27:37 PM »
funny.. i actually tried to get through when tom brought up tha carter iii because i felt he didn't even give it a fair shake

tha carter iii is a great album. a few throwaway radio songs.. but that's to be expected. the rest of the record is as experimental as top 10 rap gets. the lead off street single doesn't even have a chorus. how many major label southern mcs would rap over a david axelrod loop that sounds like it could be an outtake from atcq album?? he has a song about being a martian. shoot me down & playing with fire have rock choruses... and they actually sound good. fabolous & juelz both destroy their verses. etc. etc.

i also like tha carter ii, tha carter, dedication 2, lil weezyana & da drought 3 a lot.

lil wayne said wobbly-dee wobbly-dee.
wycelf jean made a song with the rock.

ericluxury

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Re: Tom thinks lil' Wayne is great when he is on? ugh
« Reply #153 on: June 25, 2008, 04:28:51 PM »
An FYI about the point of view that you are arguing from (since the backpacker-era is before your time, I am guessing you are around 22), Trembling Eagle. This 'mainstream hiphop is trash and doesn't have the artistry of whatever Public Enemy/Native Tongues/Rawkus Records artists/etc.' stance that you are taking about Lil' Wayne is what was said about Jay-Z pre-Blueprint and Biggie Smalls pre-dying. It's a point of view that propped up rappers like Canibus. Its a stance in a false argument (any type of hip hop can be done well and be good) that has been repeated over and over again (read the okayplayer boards, you will see this argument in many threads).

Also, you sound like someone who made up his mind about Lil Wayne based on this guest verse on a Wyclef song and maybe a couple other experiences with him. Please clarify if I am wrong about this.

Lastly, I have never understood how Wyclef came to be revered or respected, to me he was always second fiddle in an over-hyped group and the fact that most of his hits (with or without the Fugees) are covers never made me respect him much. He made a career in music though, so good for him. I am not a part of his target audience. But to those who've trashed him, it's not a fake Jamacian accent, he is from Haiti and moved to New Jersey at age 9. I'd imagine he spent much of his first years in America in neighborhoods that are mostly Haitian.

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Re: Tom thinks lil' Wayne is great when he is on? ugh
« Reply #154 on: June 25, 2008, 04:29:04 PM »
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Re: Tom thinks lil' Wayne is great when he is on? ugh
« Reply #155 on: June 25, 2008, 04:29:36 PM »
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

i didn't mean to zzzzzzzzzzzzzz you eric, you just posted right before me.

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Re: Tom thinks lil' Wayne is great when he is on? ugh
« Reply #156 on: June 25, 2008, 04:55:50 PM »
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

i didn't mean to zzzzzzzzzzzzzz you eric, you just posted right before me.

I thought you were referring to that particular Fugazi album under your name.  Now, that's a snoozer.

Ogh, I'm kidding. I love that album. This environment has poisoned me.  Let's fight about everything.  Who else hates sunshine and puppies?

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Re: Tom thinks lil' Wayne is great when he is on? ugh
« Reply #157 on: June 25, 2008, 04:58:37 PM »
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

i didn't mean to zzzzzzzzzzzzzz you eric, you just posted right before me.

I thought you were referring to that particular Fugazi album under your name.  Now, that's a snoozer.

Ogh, I'm kidding. I love that album. This environment has poisoned me.  Let's fight about everything.  Who else hates sunshine and puppies?

puppies!?! PUPPIES!?!? kittens are way more relevant! if you don't agree with me then you are stupid.

John Junk 2.0

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Re: Tom thinks lil' Wayne is great when he is on? ugh
« Reply #158 on: June 25, 2008, 05:01:07 PM »
I wanna see this thing hit 100 pages.

I just have to exercise some self control to stop it here

You should try a little harder.


paul

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Re: Tom thinks lil' Wayne is great when he is on? ugh
« Reply #159 on: June 25, 2008, 06:23:24 PM »
Trembling Eagle, I felt badly for you when I outed you as Frank the Robot Tank elsewhere. Given the fact that you are a fan of his, there is nothing that I can do to help.

 So I give you this:


I raise u ATR
[youtube]hkb3r9filcM[/youtube]

I win

oh man. i miss when DHR was good. i was just listening to the Lolita Storm album a few minutes ago. (i'm the only person on earth who loves that album)

paul

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Re: Tom thinks lil' Wayne is great when he is on? ugh
« Reply #160 on: June 25, 2008, 06:27:38 PM »
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

i didn't mean to zzzzzzzzzzzzzz you eric, you just posted right before me.

I thought you were referring to that particular Fugazi album under your name.  Now, that's a snoozer.

Ogh, I'm kidding. I love that album. This environment has poisoned me.  Let's fight about everything.  Who else hates sunshine and puppies?

puppies!?! PUPPIES!?!? kittens are way more relevant! if you don't agree with me then you are stupid.

i agree with you!

Satchmo Mask

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Re: Tom thinks lil' Wayne is great when he is on? ugh
« Reply #161 on: June 25, 2008, 06:37:17 PM »
I ONLY LISTEN TO HIP-HOP* THAT IS MADE ON AN MPC!!!! NO HOMO!


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Re: Tom thinks lil' Wayne is great when he is on? ugh
« Reply #162 on: June 25, 2008, 06:38:40 PM »
This is the worst "discussion" about rap music of all time.   :'(

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Re: Tom thinks lil' Wayne is great when he is on? ugh
« Reply #163 on: June 25, 2008, 06:40:53 PM »
This is the worst "discussion" about rap music of all time.   :'(

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Re: Tom thinks lil' Wayne is great when he is on? ugh
« Reply #164 on: June 25, 2008, 07:16:51 PM »
it gets so much worse..
this thread is only slightly worse than discussing young buck's phone call to 50 cent about how he doesn't understand his taxes.
(yet not quite as bad as the discussions surrounding the youtube videos ice-t & soulja boy have been sending each other.)