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Re: Dilemma of a Sonics fan
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2008, 08:06:11 AM »
There's a lot of economic scholarship written for noneconomists on these issues if you're interested.

The Sports Economist
Sports Law Blog
Good & Plenty: The Creative Successes of American Arts Funding by Tyler Cowen
etc.
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« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2008, 09:44:53 AM »
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=sonicsmove_080702

J.A. Adande had a nice column regarding all this on ESPN.com today.

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Re: Dilemma of a Sonics fan
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2008, 09:47:08 AM »
When I read the title for this post I thought maybe it would be about whether or not to skip the three Christmas songs at the end of The Sonics' Here are the Sonics (especially "Villiage Idiot") if it's not December.
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« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2008, 10:51:25 AM »


It looks like they'll have to do $300 million in renovations to Key Arena before they get another team in there. If the legislature approves funding and they don't get a team within five years, Bennett has to pay another $30 million.

I don't know if the legislature's going to approve the money - they already shot down funding earlier this year.
The sonics will be playing in an $87million arena next season.  The $120 mil that's being thrown around was the total package that was approved by voters that includes all the infrastructure upgrades, a $20mil practice facility that will be used by multiple entities and (by my companies estimation) about $17mil in upgrades to the actual arena itself.
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Re: Dilemma of a Sonics fan
« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2008, 12:12:06 PM »
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=sonicsmove_080702

J.A. Adande had a nice column regarding all this on ESPN.com today.

Good column. I'm also looking forward to seeing what Bill Simmons has to say - he's been a pretty vocal supporter of the Seattle fans through all this.

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Re: Dilemma of a Sonics fan
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2008, 01:51:56 PM »
Also, lots of popular entertainment gets no public support- rock music, movies.

Rock clubs in Seattle have closed and opened with startling regularity for years.  First Avenue & 7th St Entry in your neck of the woods Gilly, has barely scraped by on the strength of it's own ingenuity for over 30 years - even though it's regarded as of "historic significance" to MN, it receives no money from the state.

The business certainly isn't easy, but I'd never want it to be any other way.  Which is a big part of why I appreciate and support WFMU.

I do not doubt the importance of sports to a community, but I do believe their relationships with local communities have steadily become abusive and problematic to say the least.  Every time these stadium arguments come up, you feel like you're getting mugged.

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« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2008, 03:36:34 PM »
I agree that owners take advantage of the communities. Most owners are scumbags milking their respective states for every dollar they can get whether that be through public funding, cable TV packages, or raising ticket prices because they opened a new stadium bought with public money. But, how do you fight it? By refusing to deal with these scumbags and leaving the citizens without something they all had as common ground? That's important and you don't realize how important it is until it's gone. Everybody in Minnesota said good riddance to Norm Green and the North Stars but it left a huge void and everybody realized how important a pro hockey team was to Minnesota. Luckily, the league saw that too and we got another team fairly quickly but that's only because we're a huge hockey state. Most cities losing a pro sports team probably won't get one for a long time, if ever. Seattle doesn't have a hockey team so they essentially have no pro sports team from December-March.

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« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2008, 07:42:12 PM »
I agree that owners take advantage of the communities. Most owners are scumbags milking their respective states for every dollar they can get whether that be through public funding, cable TV packages, or raising ticket prices because they opened a new stadium bought with public money. But, how do you fight it? By refusing to deal with these scumbags and leaving the citizens without something they all had as common ground? That's important and you don't realize how important it is until it's gone. Everybody in Minnesota said good riddance to Norm Green and the North Stars but it left a huge void and everybody realized how important a pro hockey team was to Minnesota. Luckily, the league saw that too and we got another team fairly quickly but that's only because we're a huge hockey state. Most cities losing a pro sports team probably won't get one for a long time, if ever. Seattle doesn't have a hockey team so they essentially have no pro sports team from December-March.

Again I may be off base but I don't think the average person cares. I admit I'm biased because I don't care.
BTW I live in the area.

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« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2008, 07:56:43 PM »
Again I may be off base but I don't think the average person cares. I admit I'm biased because I don't care.
BTW I live in the area.

Depends on the region and the team.

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« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2008, 09:40:13 PM »
Root for the Clippers. No one here does. Unlike, say, the Sox/Cubs rivalry, the Clippers have no polarity with anyone. You can make them your own.

One of my life-goals is to find a Clippers bar. If you walk in wearing a Kobe jersey, you get stomped. Hasn't happened yet. And even Lakers fans despise Kobe.
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« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2008, 10:00:21 PM »
Root for the Clippers. No one here does. Unlike, say, the Sox/Cubs rivalry, the Clippers have no polarity with anyone. You can make them your own.

One of my life-goals is to find a Clippers bar. If you walk in wearing a Kobe jersey, you get stomped. Hasn't happened yet. And even Lakers fans despise Kobe.

The Clippers look like they could be pretty good this year with Baron Davis (if they manage to keep Maggette and Elton Brand) but they also have arguably the worst owner in NBA, Donald Sterling. The guy's such a cheapskate and could care less about his franchise.

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Re: Dilemma of a Sonics fan
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2008, 10:11:28 PM »
The Clippers look like they could be pretty good this year with Baron Davis (if they manage to keep Maggette and Elton Brand) but they also have arguably the worst owner in NBA, Donald Sterling. The guy's such a cheapskate and could care less about his franchise.

That's the misery of it. The Clippers have a lot of promise right now, and LA could easily support another good team, but Sterling keeps forgetting that they exist.

Buy the team, Hinterlands, and move them to Seattle. America needs a change.
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Re: Dilemma of a Sonics fan
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2008, 11:57:20 PM »
Personally I'd be all for the Grizzlies moving to Seattle. Memphis clearly shouldn't have an NBA team.

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« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2008, 12:52:02 AM »

Again I may be off base but I don't think the average person cares. I admit I'm biased because I don't care.
BTW I live in the area.

Are you a sports fan? You may be right that the average person doesn't care, but I think the opinion of the average sports fan is what matters in this discussion.

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« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2008, 02:52:07 AM »

Again I may be off base but I don't think the average person cares. I admit I'm biased because I don't care.
BTW I live in the area.

Are you a sports fan? You may be right that the average person doesn't care, but I think the opinion of the average sports fan is what matters in this discussion.

Exactly. Just like the average person doesn't care about theater. But, theater fans rally around their art being funded... and I agree with them, but sports need to be funded too because they are important as well. They just get a bad rap because of how high paid the athletes are and the scumbag owners. It doesn't take away from the fact that they are important to communities.