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AaronC

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Re: I stole my own bike
« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2008, 10:51:59 AM »
You moved out and left the bike at a strangers place for a month.  That sounds like abandonment to me.  It's no longer yours.  Also, you should have knocked on the door and asked for the bike, instead of taking it. 

But you don't seem to understand; had he done that, they might have suggested that the bike was not his to take. This way, hey.....new bike!

I'm sure if he explained how the
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repair and the amount of usage of the bike cancel each other out
they would see that the bike is not rightfully....Nah...you're right....new bike!

Gilly

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Re: I stole my own bike
« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2008, 12:38:28 PM »
If I moved into my apartment and found a tv there with a broken part I'd assume the previous renter just left it for the next renter to deal with. If I decided to take the time to fix that part I'd be a little ticked if the previous owner came back and asked for it back since they were using my space to store it and since I'd already fixed it. But, I would give it back.

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Re: I stole my own bike
« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2008, 11:19:34 PM »
Doesn't the tricky question of intent factor in here?  If you left the bike behind because, at the time, you thought you didn't want it anymore, and you then checked on it on a whim, found it repaired, and took it, then you stole it.  If you left it with every intention of retrieving it later, then you could legitimately claim that you never relinquished ownership.
This is a more concise version of what I've been trying to say.

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Re: I stole my own bike
« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2008, 11:23:12 PM »
Doesn't the tricky question of intent factor in here?  If you left the bike behind because, at the time, you thought you didn't want it anymore, and you then checked on it on a whim, found it repaired, and took it, then you stole it.  If you left it with every intention of retrieving it later, then you could legitimately claim that you never relinquished ownership.

Ah ha, but how do we measure intent by an objective standard?  What would the reasonable person think?  Am I right, Samir?



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Re: I stole my own bike
« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2008, 12:24:27 PM »
Oh, absolutely.  Hence "tricky."

Gilly

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Re: I stole my own bike
« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2008, 03:37:27 PM »
I fail to see how this is tricky.

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Re: I stole my own bike
« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2008, 04:12:24 PM »
Anytime in law where you talk about "intent," you either have to come up with a few objective standards that stand in for intent since we can't actually read minds or travel through time (and then, often, a judge can decide as a matter of law whether "intent" was met), or you have to ask what the "reasonable person" in the same situation as the person in question would have intended, or something along those lines (and then it becomes a question of "fact" and you ask a jury to figure it out) -- or is it what a reasonable observer would think the actor intended, upon observing the actions?

So anyway, the question really isn't what OP intended, but what intent his actions manifest.

I still say that leaving a bike somewhere a month doesn't manifest an intent to abandon, since I sometimes go a month without riding a bike.  But the situation is different if it wasn't locked up, or was in someone's backyard, etc, which later comments make me think is the case.  I need pictures.

And whether or not you'd be justified in taking a bike back, don't you wonder if maybe the people who found the bike might have needed it more, economically?  That's a different question.

I am reminded of the Simpsons "Bobo" episode.

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Re: I stole my own bike
« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2008, 04:49:27 PM »
I say cut through all this legal crap and do what the tiny, tiny little voice in your head says is right. (You know you did wrong, son.)
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Re: I stole my own bike
« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2008, 05:21:31 PM »
I say cut through all this legal crap and do what the tiny, tiny little voice in your head says is right. (You know you did wrong, son.)

Thumbs up to that. I bet the person who you "stole it from" will tell you to keep the bike. Maybe give him a few bucks for the repairs he did.

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Re: I stole my own bike
« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2008, 05:25:43 PM »
Oh, absolutely.  Hence "tricky." freaky

Fixed!

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Re: I stole my own bike
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2008, 05:46:55 PM »
I say cut through all this legal crap and do what the tiny, tiny little voice in your head says is right.

you think he should listen to Timmy von Trimble?
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