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Re: Tell me why RollingStone sucks
« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2008, 05:26:20 PM »
What other music magazines do people suggest are worth reading?

http://www.thewire.co.uk/

One for the snobs.

Hmm, they have Tricky on the cover, I might need to un-recommend them.

If I were an eccentric billionaire, though, I'd pay someone to obtain all of the stuff they recommend.  I like any magazine that will support Sun Ra, Wooden Shjips, Andrew WK, and Autechre all in one issue.

I second Wire, even if I don't understand half of what I read in it and it's like $10 at the bookstore. Invisible Jukebox and Primer are great features. They also present the great "Adventures in Modern Music" series at the Empty Bottle in Chicago every Sept.

Unless you are into the avant-garde music scene, I'd have to completely disagree with this one. That magazine is so beyond pretentious its grating. Say they have someone you've heard of on the cover. Its rare but it happens every few months. You think, this is a deep music nerd magazine, they are going to go below the surface with this guy. No. Same profile you'd get anywhere else. Invisible Jukebox is a nice feature, but with it you have people you've heard of even less than the people on cover responding to 6 songs. Maybe you've heard one of them, oh wait, no you haven't because its a live bootleg version of that song. If it was just the obscurity, who cares, but the writing is often worse than major music magazines.

People hate on shovel.com and they are usually right about their gripe. The writing in it is generally not good. Writing about music is very difficult and for some reason they think that every album is worth 10k words. But if you use it as a resource to hear the music and only dip your toe in the reading part, it is a  more useful resource than any magazine. As for the charge that Rolling Stone is a place where they give creedence to older bands and established acts as well as new groups, you can get that at The Onion AV Club without all the horribleness that is included in your Rolling Stone.

Other places I like to get music info from are turntablelab.com and aquariusrecords.org.

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Re: Tell me why RollingStone sucks
« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2008, 05:36:31 PM »
What other music magazines do people suggest are worth reading?

http://www.thewire.co.uk/

One for the snobs.

Hmm, they have Tricky on the cover, I might need to un-recommend them.

If I were an eccentric billionaire, though, I'd pay someone to obtain all of the stuff they recommend.  I like any magazine that will support Sun Ra, Wooden Shjips, Andrew WK, and Autechre all in one issue.

I second Wire, even if I don't understand half of what I read in it and it's like $10 at the bookstore. Invisible Jukebox and Primer are great features. They also present the great "Adventures in Modern Music" series at the Empty Bottle in Chicago every Sept.

Unless you are into the avant-garde music scene, I'd have to completely disagree with this one. That magazine is so beyond pretentious its grating. Say they have someone you've heard of on the cover. Its rare but it happens every few months.



Other places I like to get music info from are turntablelab.com and aquariusrecords.org.

I don't agree with that. Their cover is currently featuring Tricky. Looking through the stack of 14 older issues that I have lying around my place, I am seeing Lou Reed, Madvillian, Wilco, Sonic Youth, Aphex Twin, Electrelane, Derek Bailey, Joanna Newsom, Current 93, etc. As for the artists I don't know, isn't one of the points of a music magazine to help you discover new music?

I mean, I like avant-garde stuff, but they definitely focus on everything. I especially like how their reviews are divided by genre, so if you're not into the avante-garde stuff, you can skip right to hip hop, dub, jazz, pop, or whatever your thing is.
Plus, the compilation they put out every year is usually great, although I didn't like some of the songs on last years, and I don't always agree with their choices for covers these days. But it's all trial and error when you're looking for interesting new music.

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Re: Tell me why RollingStone sucks
« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2008, 05:43:24 PM »
EL, that's why I said it's one for the snobs.  They're clearly trying to hard to be scholarly and designy, like music should be homework.

But, I haven't found a magazine that covers certain kinds of music as deeply as it does, from modern classical to electronic, with some hip hop and rock thrown in.  It has nice pictures too.  The Wire sampler CDs are always worth a listen.  I do like a lot of more experimental stuff, which doesn't get talked about on the board too much.

Just like how some FMU shows can pass by without my having heard of a single artist-- and yet it's an awesome show-- it's sort of frightening and scary how the record reviews section in the Wire might not contain more than one or two artists I've ever heard of.  And yet, when I follow their leads, it's always really great stuff.

I look to music magazines for leads as to what interesting stuff to check out.  I rarely read all the articles unless I'm on an airplane, so I really can't comment on the quality of the writing.  Music criticism is usually atrocious, and the artists that are the most fun to write about don't necessarily make the best music.

The sources for music tips that I've found, that don't just have the same stuff you'll find on Shovel (which I do like, but again just for tips, I almost never actually read the text of a review) or on the Pazz and Jopp type lists are just random FMU shows, the Wire, and maybe the Aquarius Records newsletters.

Now if you want to see some truly bad writing, I've got a big stack of Maximum Rock 'n' Rolls from the early 90s to show you.  Oof.

Edit:  What Beth said.  Sorry to "bottom post" you.  I keep doing that to people.

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Re: Tell me why RollingStone sucks
« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2008, 05:43:58 PM »
I also like to lurk around in the forum ihatemusic. I rarely post, but most of the people in that forum do nothing but download and research interesting new stuff, lots of avant-garde stuff is discussed, but good indie pop, new weird america, and retro stuff too.



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The sources for music tips that I've found, that don't just have the same stuff you'll find on Shovel (which I do like, but
again just for tips, I almost never actually read the text of a review)]The sources for music tips that I've found, that don't just have the same stuff you'll find on Shovel (which I do like, but again just for tips, I almost never actually read the text of a review)

I wouldn't trust a Shovel review if my life depended on it. They have their favorite bands, and their bands that they hate. And the bands they refuse to put on there, no matter how good they are. Now that we've entered the era of anyone being able to write a music review and post it, it is to be hoped that their iron-fisted rule over the fate of indie rock bands will waver a bit. I'm not saying they don't have a right to their opinion, but I'm sick of them having so much power over the success of bands.

 
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Edit:  What Beth said.  Sorry to "bottom post" you.  I keep doing that to people.

It's cool. I'm sure I just bottom posted someone else with my Shovel rant.

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Re: Tell me why RollingStone sucks
« Reply #34 on: August 07, 2008, 06:11:51 PM »
Shovel lets me know whats coming out but I don't really pay attention to their reviews. There isn't a better site for letting you know what's new that week in indie in a format that's one click and easy to see.

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Re: Tell me why RollingStone sucks
« Reply #35 on: August 07, 2008, 06:34:11 PM »
I would rank Blender as worst then Rolling Stone then Spin.

Sound Opinions is ok but I like WNYC Souncheck better.

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Re: Tell me why RollingStone sucks
« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2008, 07:08:27 PM »
I don't mind Blender because it doesn't pretend to be anything different than what it is. Plus, they review a lot of music and it isn't pretentious. Not that I subscribe but I'd read Blender before RS and Spin.

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Re: Tell me why RollingStone sucks
« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2008, 07:27:38 PM »
This message board is all the music recommendation I need













since I am so stubborn nobody can tell me anything anyway

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Re: Tell me why RollingStone sucks
« Reply #38 on: August 07, 2008, 07:31:28 PM »
I have to agree Dave, this message board has been a big source for music recommendations as well!

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Re: Tell me why RollingStone sucks
« Reply #39 on: August 07, 2008, 07:38:26 PM »
I really like Fader. Thumbs up for that magazine. Especially good with the hip-hop coverage.

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Re: Tell me why RollingStone sucks
« Reply #40 on: August 07, 2008, 07:51:05 PM »
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I wouldn't trust a Shovel review if my life depended on it.

Yeah, what the hell is this nonsense?
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Re: Tell me why RollingStone sucks
« Reply #41 on: August 07, 2008, 07:59:03 PM »
Thumbs up to your recent reviews!  I approve of Hawkwind.  I think that Shovel actually has improved as it's gotten bigger.

I personally find reading reviews of music I haven't listened to yet baffling and strange, but once I've made up my mind about something I do like to see what others think.

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Re: Tell me why RollingStone sucks
« Reply #42 on: August 07, 2008, 08:05:56 PM »
I totally agree Yesno. I never read reviews before I listen to something.

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Re: Tell me why RollingStone sucks
« Reply #43 on: August 07, 2008, 08:10:33 PM »
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I wouldn't trust a Shovel review if my life depended on it.

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Yeah, what the hell is this nonsense?



That wasn't my point. They give a some  of the things  I like good reviews. But they put bands on pedestals and keep them there, and if an indie band isn't considered "cool" enough, they won't write about them. Occasionally they will divert from this pattern, but it's rare. But as I said, everyone who writes these reviews is entitled to their opinions, and they're not badly written. I'm just not a fan of Shovel and  I'd rather read reviews other places.

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Re: Tell me why RollingStone sucks
« Reply #44 on: August 07, 2008, 08:20:30 PM »
I love the format of Sound Opinions (starting the show with music news, then an interview/main feature, and ending with reviews) but can get very tired of the reviewers, especially the guy who admires Lester Bangs so much.

I'll have to check out WNYC Souncheck.