Humorless Politics Thread

[NJL]

Conservatives might complain about how, despite whatever electoral success they have had in the past their small government utopia did not come to pass, but I certainly don't think the problem was ever the lack of sincerity of the politicians.  Dear God do these people belive.  I don't think Ron Paul represents some special Libertarianism that is independent of conservatism as such.  The man really is a very conservative person, even a 'social conservative'.  On some issues this is clear, like abortion where he calls himself a 'pro-life champion' (called it the most important issue of our age) and also comes out for typical conservative nationalism on immigration and ending birthright citizenship on his website, and his 'skepticism' of global warming and evolution.  Otherwise his conservatism does not take the shape of outward moralism but a kind of internal nationalistic retreat to fortress America, 'states rights', and property.   Leave not just Afghanistan but the UN!  Go back to the gold standard!  Turn the schools and hospitals back over to the churches! Also, it is significant that he would decriminalize drugs at the federal level.  Of course there is frustration with the status quo but most of the prosecutions take place at the state level.  His agenda would still have to go through Congress and get support from the GOP there, and I'm guessing the parts that got through would be not the ones that charmed Ralph Nader.

[JesseFromVegas]

Counterpoint:  He thinks gold is money.

Gold ain't money.  Try to buy a hoagie with gold.  Hell, try to buy GOLD with gold. 

[PokemonFan]

Crack open a Ron Paul bio? Sure doesn't sound like you have!!!

   1. Global Warming: Admittedly Ron Paul used to have doubts about this years ago. If you watch interviews from 2000 to today you'll see the evolution happen. I recently saw an interviewer ask him if he thought global warming was real, and he said yes, the only question he had was to what extent.  (Admittedly I have a much more progressive view on this matter, But he does say it's real and man made)

   2. Social Conservative: Yes PERSONALLY he is very socially Conservative, he doesn't do drugs, he's not gay, and he doesn't have abortions. But as long as you don't force your belieaves on him, he won't force his belieaves on you.
                     1. Pro-Life: Ron Paul was a doctor that worked in the OBGYN, and delivered over 4000 babies, he belieaves life begins at conception. He is for the morning after pill in cases of rape. But what you must understand is that this is his PERSONAL belieave!!! He thinks this should be a state issue and he would not legislate from the white house!!
                     2. He wants ALL drugs legal at the Federal Level.
                     3. He thinks gay marrage should be a state issue.

    3. Immigration: Ron Paul has a much more moderate view on this then the other repub candidates...... In all honesty, I'm not sure what he belieaves about this. Look it up your self! I can't do EVERYTHING for you.

    4. Gold Standard: OMG!! RON PAUL DOESN'T TRUST POLITICANS TO SPEND WITH IN OUR MEANS!! OMG He thinks that Corrupt politicians having the ability to print unrestrained amounts of money is a VERY DANGREOUS POWER THAT NOBODY SHOULD HAVE!!! OMG Ron Paul doesn't like that the dollar has lost 81 percent of its value since 1971!!! OMG He thinks that since Gold WAS money until 1971 when Nixon took us off the Gold Standard, He must be CRAZY!         Please, You only show your ignorance when you try to run with the wolf pack, SON!     

You Just got owned by Bathroom Boy

[Kormod]

Crack open a Ron Paul bio? Sure doesn't sound like you have!!!

   1. Global Warming: Admittedly Ron Paul used to have doubts about this years ago. If you watch interviews from 2000 to today you'll see the evolution happen. I recently saw an interviewer ask him if he thought global warming was real, and he said yes, the only question he had was to what extent.  (Admittedly I have a much more progressive view on this matter, But he does say it's real and man made)

His current position on global warming is that it's a hoax: http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/global-warming/. And speaking of evolution happening, he doesn't believe in that either: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/29/scitech/main20098876.shtml

[buffcoat]

Ron Paul is a screen onto which people (especially young people - you're all so cute!) project what they want someone to be saying.  That no one is saying.

I wish someone WERE actually saying what many people want Ron Paul to be saying, but no one is actually saying it.

[nec13]

I wish there were some kind of Rick Perry babble translator so I could understand what the man is trying to say.

Honestly, Perry is the worst debater I've ever seen. That's three (or is it four) debates where he's come across as an absolute dunce.

[cavorting with nudists]

Leaving abortion to the states would be a disaster for poor women, which is of course why it's a popular idea among conservatives and glibertarians.

A return to the gold standard, however, would be just plain disastrous for everyone, which is why not even the most pro-austerity traditional conservatives support it. Megan McArdle, the libertarian-leaning conservative economics blogger for The Atlantic, is not someone I agree with much, but she has a simple explanation of why it's a bad idea here: http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2007/09/there-apos-s-gold-in-them-thar-standards/1858/

[Shaggy 2 Grote]

Ron Paul blah blah blah, but I'll tell you one thing, Haunter is NOT the best Pokemon ever.

[buffcoat]

I wish there were some kind of Rick Perry babble translator so I could understand what the man is trying to say.

Honestly, Perry is the worst debater I've ever seen. That's three (or is it four) debates where he's come across as an absolute dunce.

It's not normal for a healthy man in his 50s to experience sundowning.

[PokemonFan]

This is the LAST time I'm posting about about Ron Paul, it's taking up to much of my life. Plus, I have some Pokemon Recorded on my Dvr that need watching!  Can you say chips and dip!!

   1. Dear Buffcoat: I'm NOT just cute, I'm F@King adorable.

   2. Who cares about evolution? Ron Paul could be Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim, or Christian ( which he is). It should not matter. Ever heard of separation of church and state? Religion should play NO rule in government. It's a none issue.

   3. Global Warming: That link is to some fanboy site with quotes that are YEARS old. During the summer I KNOW I heard him say to a reporter that Global Warming was real, and humans played some rule in it, he only questioned how much.  I am NOT tech savvy at all, and I don't know how to create links to web sites, I'm sorry, but I can only give you my word on this.

   4. Gold Standard: I belieave our government has proven itself completely untrustworthy of spending with in our means. We have a debt of almost 15 TRILLION DOLLARS. With a partial gold standard, we could not nation build in Iraq and Afghanistan, we could not have 900 military bases in 135 countries. Our economy would grow at a slow and sustainable pace, which would keep boom and bust times from occurring (right now we're in a bust). By the way, this would help with global warming. We could not bail out "to big to fail banks" (who have CEO which should be thrown in jail). If our government wants to increase spending, they should come to us, explain what the want to do, and tell us how much they want to raise our taxes to pay for it. Right now we have a false sense of euphoria, we get tons of government benefits, a massive military, and we don't pay for any of it. Why? BACAUSE WE CAN JUST PRINT MORE MONEY!  We have been putting everything on our credit card and the bill is due.   Americas credit rating was NOT lowered because we had a debate about our debt, it was lowered because WE HAVE THE DEBT.  I don't trust our congress to be rational with the printing press, at least a PARTIAL gold standard would help keep them honest.

   5. Abortion: Ron Paul's Pro-Life stance is a PERSONAL belieave. He does not want to impose them on other people, he wants it to be a state issue. He belieaves in the morning after pill in cases of rape, and things of that nature. To say this would hurt poor people is stupid. Do poor people not know of birth control, condoms, the morning after pill? And if that fails, they can give the baby up to adoption. There are LOTS of people who can not have children, and would want to adopt a beautiful baby.

   6. Dear Shaggy 2 Grote: I still belieave Haunter is the best Pokemon, but I still have room in my heart for Kadabra and Weeving. What's your fav Pokemon?


Sincerely, Bathroom Boy       RON PAUL 2012!!!

[Shaggy 2 Grote]

My favorite Pokemon is Ron Paulicizer.

[Martin]

This is the LAST time I'm posting about about Ron Paul, it's taking up to much of my life.

PLEASE keep going.

[PokemonFan]

Dear Shaggy 2 Grote,

 Thanks for coming to the Paul side!      I honestly can't stop laughing from all this!

[cavorting with nudists]

Do poor people not know of birth control, condoms, the morning after pill? And if that fails, they can give the baby up to adoption. There are LOTS of people who can not have children, and would want to adopt a beautiful baby.

Golly, this makes it all sound so simple, it's amazing there's any controversy about abortion at all!

[JesseFromVegas]

Well, now I at least have a legit reason to dislike Bathroom Boy other than that his voice grates on me and he seems to suffer from some sort of social awkwardness disorder. 

Who'd have thunk a guy who was entirely too pleased with himself for calling a grocery bagger "son" would have infantile and naive political views?