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Google Chrome
« on: September 06, 2008, 08:36:13 PM »
Although I'm mostly a Mac user I pop into Windows for different reasons from time to time.

Holy balls, Google Chrome is the best/fastest browser I've ever used.*

"Application shortcuts" are very well done.  V8 apparently makes web apps just scream.  There are no unnecessary buttons or widgets.  It takes the minimalist UI ideas inherent in Vista and Office 2007 and actually implements them well, unlike IE7.

* (I've used every modern browser for every platform, and yes, Chrome is way, way faster than FF, Safari, or Opera.  And I wouldn't be a Mac guy unless I pointed out that WebKit (which it uses instead of Gecko) is only as fast as it is because of Apple's work at turning KHTML into something amazing.  And that it still uses Windows style "spiderman" text smoothing which is way inferior to the Apple method.)



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Re: Google Chrome
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2008, 08:41:32 PM »
Yeah, it is a good browser - I have a Mac at home, but I loaded it onto both of my work computers.   It freezes a lot less than Firefox, as the comic explains:

http://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/

There are some privacy concerns, though:

http://www.edrants.com/google-chrome-is-bad-for-writers-bloggers/

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Re: Google Chrome
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2008, 08:45:38 PM »
There are some privacy concerns, though:

http://www.edrants.com/google-chrome-is-bad-for-writers-bloggers/


They've already taken that language out of the EULA, saying it was a mistake.

The best thing is that V8 and some of its other actual improvements are open source, so unless they have too much pride Apple and Mozilla should be yoinking its improvements and copying the one process per tab idea.  Everyone wins!  Microsoft of course almost always refuses to use open source, so I expect its javascript performance to continue to be about 60x slower than its competitors'.

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Re: Google Chrome
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2008, 09:14:10 PM »
but... i really like my firefox extensions.

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Re: Google Chrome
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2008, 09:27:13 PM »
I keep FF around for when I need to do some weird thingamajig.

But for day to day browsing, it's been slower than the competitors for a while now.  WebKit just trounces Gecko.



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Re: Google Chrome
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2008, 10:31:14 PM »
but... i really like my firefox extensions.

Hopefully Chrome will have extensions soon.

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Re: Google Chrome
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2008, 04:17:50 AM »
but... i really like my firefox extensions.

Yep. I can't believe they didn't make this Mac out of the gate. This is exactly what Mac lovers eat up, fast and good looking even though you have to sacrifice user customization.

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Re: Google Chrome
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2008, 04:48:37 AM »
I've had some annoying glitches on it. Besides, how fast do I need a browser to be? I click on the link in FF, the link comes up.

Chrome: I remain unconvinced.
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Re: Google Chrome
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2008, 12:30:03 PM »
I've had some annoying glitches on it. Besides, how fast do I need a browser to be? I click on the link in FF, the link comes up.

Chrome: I remain unconvinced.

Its rendering speed is about the same as Safari's. Where it's really fast is with javascript.  Plus, application shortcuts, which make it so that you can easily make a web app more like a "real" application, are pretty cool.

Also, its user interface is way better than Firefox's, and more intuitive except for the fact that you have to unlearn the inefficient ways most browsers work.

It would be unfortunate if web apps totally take over, though.  Your average web app is better than your average Windows custom business visual basic POS, I guess, but well-designed native software is still much than what you can do in a browser.  That said, the majority of my Mac-using friends use Gmail or something instead of taking the 30 seconds to set up Mail.app, so I guess web apps really appeal to the lazy in people.

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Re: Google Chrome
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2008, 01:33:45 PM »
That said, the majority of my Mac-using friends use Gmail or something instead of taking the 30 seconds to set up Mail.app, so I guess web apps really appeal to the lazy in people.
Personally, I set up mail.app, used it for a few days and went back to Gmail. Other than it notifying you when you get a new message, I didn't really see much of an advantage to it, and Google Notifier does that anyway. One big issue for me is the ability to send mail from different addresses under the same account (admittedly, I could be wrong and mail.app could have that feature, but it didn't seem like it).

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Re: Google Chrome
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2008, 01:50:35 PM »
Yeah, it is a good browser - I have a Mac at home, but I loaded it onto both of my work computers.   It freezes a lot less than Firefox, as the comic explains:

http://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/


Boy, that comic about web browsers sure looked like a lot of fun, but for some reason I didn't get past the second page.

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Re: Google Chrome
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2008, 02:02:00 PM »

Personally, I set up mail.app, used it for a few days and went back to Gmail. Other than it notifying you when you get a new message, I didn't really see much of an advantage to it, and Google Notifier does that anyway. One big issue for me is the ability to send mail from different addresses under the same account (admittedly, I could be wrong and mail.app could have that feature, but it didn't seem like it).

Yep, Mail.app can do all that, and lots more.  I send everything "from" my Gmail address, for instance, even though Mail sent to Gmail or my school mail in actuality routes over to Mobile Me.  Or you can just have one client access multiple accounts directly.

It's way faster for dealing with lots of emails.  It allows for offline access, it instantly exposes my 10+ year email archive to spotlight, and doesn't take away my ability to use a web app when I'm on a foreign computer (you can set up Gmail with IMAP, which makes your local client an exact mirror of what's on the web app; I use Mobile Me.)  It gives you quicklook.  It uses normal system shortcuts.  It uses the normal built in Mac text editing field with all its shortcuts, its dictionary, etc.

Basically a native app gives you all of the features of a modern OS, while even the best web app strives for a System 7/Windows 98 level of functionality.  Yeah, this is a pet peeve of mine.

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Re: Google Chrome
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2008, 02:15:37 PM »
Yeah, it is a good browser - I have a Mac at home, but I loaded it onto both of my work computers.   It freezes a lot less than Firefox, as the comic explains:

http://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/


Boy, that comic about web browsers sure looked like a lot of fun, but for some reason I didn't get past the second page.

Yeah, I know.  I got to something like page 17 and it started to feel like that fake "IQ test" that made the rounds a while back, where the joke is that the test never ends.  I hope Scott McCloud at least got a fat paycheck out of that.
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Re: Google Chrome
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2008, 02:32:23 PM »

Personally, I set up mail.app, used it for a few days and went back to Gmail. Other than it notifying you when you get a new message, I didn't really see much of an advantage to it, and Google Notifier does that anyway. One big issue for me is the ability to send mail from different addresses under the same account (admittedly, I could be wrong and mail.app could have that feature, but it didn't seem like it).

Yep, Mail.app can do all that, and lots more.  I send everything "from" my Gmail address, for instance, even though Mail sent to Gmail or my school mail in actuality routes over to Mobile Me.  Or you can just have one client access multiple accounts directly.

It's way faster for dealing with lots of emails.  It allows for offline access, it instantly exposes my 10+ year email archive to spotlight, and doesn't take away my ability to use a web app when I'm on a foreign computer (you can set up Gmail with IMAP, which makes your local client an exact mirror of what's on the web app; I use Mobile Me.)  It gives you quicklook.  It uses normal system shortcuts.  It uses the normal built in Mac text editing field with all its shortcuts, its dictionary, etc.

Basically a native app gives you all of the features of a modern OS, while even the best web app strives for a System 7/Windows 98 level of functionality.  Yeah, this is a pet peeve of mine.

Then I'm going to cop to being lazy and resistant to change. If I can make a semi-legitimate point in my defense, though, I like the threading of replies, and if I need to read email offline I can just look at my iPod Touch (where I do use the mail application).

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Re: Google Chrome
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2008, 04:40:22 PM »
If I can make a semi-legitimate point in my defense, though, I like the threading of replies,

Mail does that too!

Ok, I'm done.