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Grammar Question
« on: March 25, 2009, 03:50:49 PM »
I've been told that the phrase "all of the sudden" is grammatically incorrect.

It should actually be "all of a sudden."

Can someone explain this to me?

It seems to me that if one is incorrect, the other should be as well.
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Jon

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Re: Grammar Question
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2009, 04:24:11 PM »
From my understanding, it's just kind of an idiom that's always been that way. More of a general sudden, whereas "the sudden" is a specific sudden. Neither one is truly correct and proper Queen's English, but "a sudden" is acceptably less wrong.

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Re: Grammar Question
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2009, 04:39:33 PM »
"All of a sudden" is right. Ain't no two ways about it.
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Re: Grammar Question
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2009, 04:41:53 PM »
Yup, this is one of those occasions when the unsatisfying answer is "because that's the way it is."  The idiom is "all of a sudden"; "all of the sudden" is wrong.  You've just got to accept it and move on.

Sorry.

Sam

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Re: Grammar Question
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2009, 04:43:11 PM »
Looking at the OED entry, apparently, the phrase was originally 'of the sudden',  but this fell out of fashion for lord knows what reason.
Here's some stuff from the OED:
SUDDEN: C. quasi-n. and n.
    1. In advb. phr. formed with preps. = SUDDENLY (chiefly in sense 1).    a. of a sudden (earlier: of the sudden): now usually with preceding all.
1570 DEE Math. Pref. diijb, I thinke, that none can iustly account them selues Architectes, of the suddeyne. 1590 H. BARROW in Greenwood Coll. Art Dijb, I was..compelled..to answere of the sodaine vnto such articles. 1596 SHAKES. Tam. Shr. I. i. 152 Is it possible That loue should of a sodaine take such hold? a1648 DIGBY Closet Opened (1669) 188 When all is heated through, it [sc. gravy] will quicken of a sudden. 1681-6 J. SCOTT Chr. Life (1747) III. 66 All of a sudden, and without any..previous Instructions, they were heard to speak..in the fifteen several Tongues of fifteen several Nations. 1864 MRS. LLOYD Ladies of Polcarrow 103 And then Prudy, all of a suddent, began to keep company with that little Preventative fellow. 1890 DOYLE White Company xxx, As he gazed, he saw of a sudden a man steal forth from the wood. 1891 FARRAR Darkn. & Dawn xvii, Then all of a sudden appears Caligula, and demands that Claudius should be recognised as his slave.


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Re: Grammar Question
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2009, 06:06:36 PM »
I don't like this.

Henceforth, I'm going to stick with "suddenly."
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Re: Grammar Question
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2009, 06:36:19 PM »
I don't like this.

Henceforth, I'm going to stick with "suddenly."


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Re: Grammar Question
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2009, 08:50:14 PM »
I think all of 'nem sudden is fine.

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Re: Grammar Question
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2009, 01:27:11 PM »
who says, all of the sudden?  it doesnt make sense...even when it made sense.