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Jack from Arkansas

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FOT's w/ School Loans; Check this out.
« on: June 30, 2009, 10:34:51 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/30/education/30college.html?_r=1&em  [nytimes.com]

June 30, 2009
New Plan Ties Reduced College Loan Payments to Income
By JONATHAN D. GLATER

For the first time in years, there is good news for college students who borrow to pay for their education.

Starting Wednesday, the federal Education Department will begin offering a repayment plan that lets graduates reduce their loan payments, based on their income.

“We know today’s borrowers are concerned about their ability to repay student loans in the current economic environment,” Arne Duncan, the education secretary, said in a statement. “This new plan addresses the issue head-on by giving them the option of a reduced monthly payment tied to their annual income.”

Also on Wednesday, the interest rate on new federal Stafford loans, the most widely used federally guaranteed student loan, will drop to 5.6 percent, from 6 percent. By 2012, the rate will fall to 3.4 percent, under a schedule mandated by Congress.

The changes come as student borrowers face a difficult job environment and after many families have found it harder or impossible to use home equity loans to pay for college. Since the credit crisis, it has also become more difficult and more costly to obtain private student loans, which are not guaranteed by the government and which typically carry variable interest rates determined by borrowers’ credit histories.

“These benefits are guaranteed, no matter what happens in our economy, and are kicking in at exactly the right time for millions of Americans,” said Representative George Miller, Democrat of California and chairman of the House education committee.

While the interest rate cut applies to new loans, the new repayment option is available to borrowers who took out federal loans or who used a federal consolidation loan to combine their higher-education debts.

The extended payment program, called “income-based repayment,” limits what borrowers have to pay to 15 percent of the difference between their gross income and 150 percent of federal poverty guidelines. After borrowers make payments on loans for 25 years, the balance is forgiven. (The Education Department already offered an “income-contingent” repayment plan, which was similar, but less generous.)

“These programs are such an enormous victory,” said Christine Lindstrom, director of the higher-education access program at U.S. PIRG, the consumer advocacy group. “It enables all borrowers to be able to face their life circumstances and know there is some flexibility and responsiveness based on what life throws their way.”

To help borrowers understand the program, the Education Department has set up a Web site with a calculator to determine monthly payments based on income and family size.

The extended payment plan is intended to work with another program that forgives federal loans taken out by people working in public interest jobs. If borrowers make payments under the income-based plan, the balance on their loans is forgiven after 10 years.

There is a catch, though. To participate in the program, borrowers must shift their loans into the federal Direct Loan program, in which the government extends credit directly. The forgiveness is not available for loans made by banks or other loan companies, like Citigroup or Sallie Mae.

The definition of public service under the forgiveness program is broad. Jobs in government, public schools or colleges, nonprofit organizations, public interest law, early childhood education, public health or public libraries all could qualify, according to the Education Department.

The forgiveness benefit could lead to even greater interest in public service jobs, which are already drawing more applicants. For example, in the 2008-9 academic year, more people than ever applied to Teach for America — 40 percent more than the year before, said Kerci Marcello Stroud, a spokeswoman.

The earliest anyone working in public service could see any benefit from the forgiveness program is 2017, because the program began in 2007. So someone who started teaching in 2005, for example, would not get credit toward the 10-year period for working in 2005 and 2006.

Due to the length of the program, people interested in participating will have to be careful to document their public interest employment and to make sure they have the right kind of loans. Neither of the new programs help with repayment of private loans made by banks or other lenders.

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Re: FOT's w/ School Loans; Check this out.
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2009, 11:39:14 PM »
This is a huge deal on the intentional community I'm living with now.  A lot of the young people here have a lot of student loans and, with this new legislation, their loans will dissolve in ten years (since some of them technically don't have any income).

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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2009, 08:23:12 AM »
Crap. I consolidated my massive loans a few years back into a Sallie Mae lump of garbage that I will repay until my 50th birthday. Thus, ineligible, apparently.

Back to Plan B: faking my own death.

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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2009, 09:13:43 AM »
this is bullshit.
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Re: FOT's w/ School Loans; Check this out.
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2009, 10:35:17 AM »
You should all try to make some more money, and go back in time and not run up so much debt.



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Re: FOT's w/ School Loans; Check this out.
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2009, 10:49:54 AM »
Most public interest lawyers like public defenders make 40k-60k, with $120k of debt.  Probably good news for them.

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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2009, 05:46:08 PM »
this is bullshit.
Why is this bullshit, Andy?  Explain yourself.

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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2009, 06:53:32 PM »
I can be the devil's advocate.  I don't think it's bullshit, but I definitely don't want the taxpayer to end up on the hook for dumbass "degrees."  I have no idea of how to define what degrees are "dumbass" without seriously offending someone (plus, I was an English major and I'm married to an MFA).  I don't mean traditional, rigorous liberal arts degrees. I'm all for studying the trivium.  I mean hippy shit.  If people want to end up with unmarketable skills, that's great, but the government shouldn't actively encourage it.

By the way, France has nearly free higher public education and a really shitty university system, and a relatively low percentage of its population with tertiary degrees.  Great high schools, though.  Go figure.

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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2009, 09:43:16 PM »
I want to see these "dumbass degrees" enumerated to provoke rage among the holders of said degrees.
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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2009, 10:54:38 PM »
I want to see these "dumbass degrees" enumerated to provoke rage among the holders of said degrees.

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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2009, 11:00:44 PM »
The article states that if one makes payments for 25 years the remainder of the loan is forgiven in the private sector.  Also, if one works in a public works scenerio and makes payments for 10 years the remainder of the loan is forgiven.  
        This keeps people from defaulting on the loan.  The majority of the time the principle will have been covered and then some within the timeframe anyway so the public isn't really eating the debt.  I don't know the figures but people are defaulting like crazy and this will help stem the problem.
     I think it's problematic to frown upon people pursuing liberal arts degrees.  How depressing if the government only got behind healthcare and business programs.  Sounds like some Lou Dobb's type situation.

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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2009, 11:15:04 PM »
there's no such thing as free money.

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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2009, 11:20:49 PM »
Argh!  I would never include traditional, rigorous liberal arts degrees as dumbass.  I think that the solution to "too many" students taking a degree in one topic or another is probably to make it harder.  That my only objection to modern English literature programs, you don't have to know Latin and Old English anymore.  

If you're calling it a "college" or a "university" it shouldn't be about job training.  It's mostly courses that are semi-vocational that bug me.  But that attitude doesn't fly anymore.  So, if you insist on having "career" degrees, at least those should be practical.

And I think that the program in question is probably good if it requires people to pay back the principle.  It's just that I used to think all higher ed should be free.  I no longer think that.

Just talking undergrad here. If I had limited funds to give out for people's educations, hard sciences, engineering, and math would be first. The things China sends students to our shores for, and the programs we need more students in.  Not "business" degrees by any means.

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« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2009, 12:34:25 AM »
This is a start. Higher education shouldn't be free but it shouldn't be charged interest either.

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« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2009, 12:46:36 AM »
I want to see these "dumbass degrees" enumerated to provoke rage among the holders of said degrees.

* graphic design

* alternative comedy

* playwriting

* whatever it is that buffcoat does, managing/owning of some kind I gather



I majored in Dumbass, so there's one right there.
I really don't appreciate your sarcastic, anti-comedy tone, Bro!