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« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2009, 02:32:27 PM »
And when America whines about the horrible things that have happened to it, it's like listening to a skinny girl complain about the quarter-pound she gained over Christmas vacation.

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« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2009, 02:46:06 PM »
I remember reading an article about how England responded to the blitz.  Life went on like normal.  A nightclub in a bombed neighborhood will still be open as long as it had a roof.  We, on the other hand, decide it's acceptable to remove our shoes before a flight.
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« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2009, 02:55:44 PM »
I remember reading an article about how England responded to the blitz.  Life went on like normal.  A nightclub in a bombed neighborhood will still be open as long as it had a roof.  We, on the other hand, decide it's acceptable to remove our shoes before a flight.

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« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2009, 03:14:43 PM »
I know it sounds weird but I had an awesome workout that morning, I'll never forget I was in the flower of my youth. It was a Tuesday so I had done cardio that morning and was on my second meal of the day (a protein shake) my muscles were fully engorged and I had settled in to do some work. At the time I was stationed at the submarine base in Groton, CT. We were home to largest number of fast attack subs on the east coast although at the time the mostly carried conventional warheads every one of them is powered by a nuclear reactor. So the pucker factor was...high.

That night after work I got a second workout in.

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« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2009, 03:34:19 PM »
You had me at "I know it sounds weird but".

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« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2009, 03:45:46 PM »
You had me at "I know it sounds weird but".

Yah, I was thinking you really didn't need that part, TE!
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« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2009, 04:28:29 PM »
I remember reading an article about how England responded to the blitz.  Life went on like normal.  A nightclub in a bombed neighborhood will still be open as long as it had a roof.  We, on the other hand, decide it's acceptable to remove our shoes before a flight.

I doubt they responded that way on the first night of the blitz, Nell Carter.  Gimme a break.

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« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2009, 04:29:07 PM »
I see your point, Josh, but I think 4 planes crashing in one day is a little unique. Not to mention the huge towers that fell containing thousands of people at once.

Your bitterness is unsettling. Sorry.

PS. We were not at war at that time... should we base our emotional responses on those of people who were in the middle of the 2nd world war and had probably lived through the first?
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« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2009, 04:45:50 PM »
See, I think the way people have exploited the tragedy is unsettling, and the bitterness that ensues to be reasonable.

Also notice how those same people will not likely give two shits when Katrina's anniversary swings 'round.
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« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2009, 04:48:08 PM »
I can understand the bitterness towards how it's exploited. But when you start acting like we as a country (or New York as a city) are big babies for being sad and shaken 8 years ago when this happened, I think that's shitting all over the magnitude of the situation. It was a pretty big fucking deal. And because it was a big deal, when we (or maybe just I) think back on that day I do it with sincere sadness and respect for the people who died there.

Lumping everyone together in this country who acknowledges this day as a day of remembrance is incredibly crappy and close-minded. But, I'm not surprised.
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« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2009, 04:52:37 PM »
I know it sounds weird but I had an awesome workout that morning, I'll never forget I was in the flower of my youth. It was a Tuesday so I had done cardio that morning and was on my second meal of the day (a protein shake) my muscles were fully engorged and I had settled in to do some work. At the time I was stationed at the submarine base in Groton, CT. We were home to largest number of fast attack subs on the east coast although at the time the mostly carried conventional warheads every one of them is powered by a nuclear reactor. So the pucker factor was...high.

That night after work I got a second workout in.

Both of my parents were within blocks of the WTC that day so I was understandably nervous but I was also unable to reach anyone to find out if they were okay.  Unlike TE I didn't get a workout in.  I left work and no idea what to do, I went to a record store (the late Arron's Records on Highland in LA) and bought the new Bob Dylan album.  I immediately felt like an ass for doing that but I was running on auto that day.  I went home and chain smoked in the dark waiting for someone to call.  It wasn't until the next morning that I found out my parents were fine.  Still, whenever I see the footage from that day I think about my parents and am happy they are still here, even if I give them a hard time occasionally.
 
On a side note my dad got all weird and America First after 9/11, it also took me another 6+ years but I quit smoking.

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« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2009, 04:53:30 PM »
Erica, I'm not bitter.  I'm unsettled at how we as a society have responded to this.  And it's not directed at the event itself or the people affected by it.  My frustration and concern is directed at those who exploit it for personal/political gain.  It might have been a unique occurrence, but it wasn't uniquely horrendous.  As many commentators have pointed out, more people died that day of Typhus.  It worries me that this seems to have become the defining moment of American history.  We have kept giving in to fear in big and small ways ever since, and a culture based in fear will tear itself apart.  And it's true that many British were surviving the second world war of their lifetimes, but doesn't that make their example more compelling?  One major terrorist attack and we sell ourselves out for a promise of safety.  Their lives defined by chaos, death, and deprivation for decades, and they refuse to give up being a free people.  And Barry, maybe not, but we're eight years out, far longer than the blitz lasted, now and we're still jumping at shadows.  
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« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2009, 04:57:48 PM »
I can understand the bitterness towards how it's exploited. But when you start acting like we as a country (or New York as a city) are big babies for being sad and shaken 8 years ago when this happened, I think that's shitting all over the magnitude of the situation. It was a pretty big fucking deal. And because it was a big deal, when we (or maybe just I) think back on that day I do it with sincere sadness and respect for the people who died there.

Lumping everyone together in this country who acknowledges this day as a day of remembrance is incredibly crappy and close-minded. But, I'm not surprised.


Erika, are you actually reading what anyone is posting?  We're not talking about people being shaken or hurt.  It would be weird if people weren't.  What concerns us, me anyway, is how the tragedy is being exploited.  No one's lumping anyone together.  We're commenting on a phenomenon that you admit is going on, as well.  I'm not saying people are foolish for remembering the day or still being in pain over it.  It was certainly the worst single tragedy to even happen on American soil.  I'm trying to honor the people who lost their lives that day and continue to die as a result, American or otherwise, and decrying those who co-opt their loss for selfish purposes.
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« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2009, 05:01:27 PM »
I'm going to politically alienate 90% of the board with my thoughts on the subject. There's a difference between healthy grieving and feeling sorry for one's self.  I don't see anything wrong with reliving the events of the day, which were indeed horrifying, if one does it with respect and perspective.  If anything, the footage is a fascinating document of the first act of international terrorism covered from beginning to end in real time.  Oh yeah, and everything, and I mean everything, gets beaten to death on cable television news, from pretty young white girls disappearing to stupid car chases in LA, replaying 9/11 footage on the anniversary is nothing out of the ordinary. 

Oh, and Pastor Josh, the people of Dresden would probably take issue with your claim that the British took the Blitz with good cheer and humanity.

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« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2009, 05:18:23 PM »

Oh, and Pastor Josh, the people of Dresden would probably take issue with your claim that the British took the Blitz with good cheer and humanity.

When did I say that?  I said that they didn't stop being a free people because of a great tragedy.  They went on with life.
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